I believe Petey Pete made the comment.

Just a quick link I found for you TRS

http://baseballprospectnation.com/2012/07/13/scouting-report-wilmer-flores-3b/

“Plays well at 3B where he can rely on reactions rather than true range.”

Somewhere else I also read that if he fills out his frame he will lose even more range and be forced to play at 1B or LF.

He’s a big guy and playing 2B requires almost as much range as 2B!
He might be fine as a 3B if Wright leaves abd his bat so far is awesome…

But remember he was sucking at the plate until he got promoted and while he is doing well now who knows if thats going to continue in the MLB.

Great prospect but compared to Harvey and Wheeler hardly a sure thing untouchable and if he gets you an Upton as part of the trade package then really what will you be losing aside from 3 or 4 years?

I believe Flores’ range was even discussed on the Radio show!

…ya… kind of my point.

Sure you do it’s just that they were so good they got that deal 5 or 6 years ago!

When your going to sign a player to money like that in most cases it is because you want that guy for the rest of his career!

And the only thing that makes you want that is what he did before that and tells you you want him!

As you pointed out, some players have made big contracts due to small windows. However, you don’t see 35 year olds making the big, record breaking deals. That is mostly the guys in the neighborhood of 26-30. Also, you do have to consider things like park factors as well as age. Otherwise, you end up signing a 30+ year old left fielder to be a power hitter in a park that neutralizes his power.

In short, you pay a guy because you think he can continue or improve on that past performance, not just for that past performance.

Some ignore a bad year previous because of a good year Two Years ago!

Some do the opposite and ignore 5 years of Mediocre and pay based on just what he did the previous year!

But it’s all based on past performance and if you even want to get into the ballpark on a discussion with an agent the agent is going to set his price and your going to set yours based on what the guy has done!

No one pays a guy who has done nothing a lot of money based of what they think he will do.

The ONLY ones who get paid based off that are drafted kids and IFAs who have no track record to go on anyway!

Well, you try to guesstimate what he’s going to do based on his past performance. But, you shouldn’t pay a guy for the All Star appearances he made with another team. You pay him because you think he’ll continue to do so for your team.

“You forget that the majority of Salaries for a good long time were accelerated not by Free Agency itself but Arbitration!”

Yes, but whole other ball of wax.

Upton has shown the ability to hit 31 HR, but he has also shown had down years such as this one where he only has 11 HR.

so far….

2009: 26 HR
2010: 17 HR
2011: 31 HR
2012: 11 HR

He’s bit very inconsistent so far, even though it’s early in his career. As much as I want him I don’t think I want to mortgage a potentially young talented pitching staff to get him

We all would LOVE to have him on our team….

The only difference of opinion is if giving Harvey Or Wheeler worth having him.

And if you think your going to get more than what he has done you pay even more than Market value because you think he’s more than he has been.

You forget that the majority of Salaries for a good long time were accelerated not by Free Agency itself but Arbitration!

One team would give a mediocre pitcher stupid money because there was a shortage and wanted to be sure to get the best guy they thought was available and every other mediocre pitcher who went to arbitration got similar packages because they had comparable PAST HISTORY with that Free Agent!

As a result the next time a free agent came around and had better numbers than those mediocre guys the price went up yet again!

In regards to tools F-Mart was a 5 tool guy. And as was stated having them is not quite the same as knowing how to use them. This guy does seem to use them so no need to press that too hard here.

But his Splits home and away are not just a one season abberation…I was the first one to bring up those splits when it was first proposed weeks ago.
In his career he is:

Home 1438PA 1244AB 378H 63HRs 208 RBI .304BA .388OBP .541SLG
Away 1460PA 1299AB 326H 39HRs 141 RBI .251BA .326OBP .410SLG

So he had more attempts to put up numbers away compared to home and yet only puts up those more numbers with a significanct difference at home.
in +22 PA, +55AB he has -50H -22HRs -67 RBI -.053BA -.062OBP -.131SLG

Thats a rather significant difference!

If he had played somewhere else for a year where the same thing occurred you might have some proof that it is just a product of sleeping in his own bed and was not so much a factor of the park he is in.

Is he better than anyone else we have in our OF! Damn Straight!
SO is Shane Victorino and don’t think anyone would support giving away a Wheeler or Harvey for him.

It comes down to does what he would contribute do as much for us as Wheeler or Harvey would?

And I just have to say that answer is no! Even if neither is an Ace they are a rotation arm for any team in the MLB.
Dickey had a storybook season, But who knows if this isn’t just his career year and next year is not what we got the other two years, which is good but not Cy Young race good.

Santana is a question mark and even if he wins a Cy Young next year it’s his last under contract and is anyone interested in signing him to a deal long enough to make Wheeler or Harvey expendable?

Young is going to go the way of Capuano so he’s not an option.

Dickey is a decent risk to keep
Niese seems to be growing
Gee was doing fine until he got hurt
Santana being what he is who are the two starters to put in the rotation in 2014 and beyond?

While I agree there is a good chance Upton will be everything he has been and you think he will continue to be.

It isn’t as much of an addition as Harvey and Wheeler can be. And if he has attitude problems in a place like Arizone he will be eaten alive here!

Hell even smiley Bobby Bo got his smile knocked off when he got here!
And he was supposed to be as good as Upton is!

That said it shouldn’t take those two pitchers to get him!
No one else if offerring that much and if they had they didn’t make that deal so they want even more than we may think!

And IMO thats just asking too much!

In fact, I have been citing Upton’s past. Mainly, the past outside of the second best hitter’s park in MLB.

Yes.

Of course, I am referring to Upton’s career splits.

” Upton would be the cleanup hitter for the Mets for years to come.”

.410 career slugging outside of Chase Field.

” I still don’t understand how anyone could be against such a talented player being on their team.”

I’d like to have him. I am just not willing to give up a lot for a guy who has yet to prove he can perform outside of the second best hitter’s park in MLB.

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