We have:

1 – Owners who would NOT support a SMART GM
2 – A GM who doesnt want to really be here and is really just a glorified baby-sitter…

what we NEED:

1 – Owners who support SMART GM’s
2 – SMART GM’s

you can argue if Sandy is/isn’t a SMART GM til the cows come home…but you cant argue that Selig begged him to take this job…I believe all but forced the Wilpons to hire him…and that this arrangement is not working out….

the mets still dont know who they want to be…or at least if they do…they have a Sybil-like way of showing it…

are they building for the future?

well if thats the case…why in the hell did they put Duda in RF…I made several comments on this a few weeks ago and got BANNED from metsblog b/c i blamed ownership

if they are building for the future….why in the hell would they platoon young players…if this is a “learning” year for them…

if they are building for the future…why in the hell would they NOT sign a veteran catcher to mentor their young and inexperienced Josh Thole….

if they are building for the future…why did they hold onto Scott Hairston and Tim Byrdak…?

what type of cohesive message are they sending by playing Jason Bay when he stunk up the joint for 3 years…

what type of cohesive message are they send down Kirk and Duda for getting into slumps…but play Bay and Ike Davis who performed exponentially worse than either 2…

some of that blame HAS to go on Sandy….( sorry yall )….

but the majority of the blame ultimately falls on ( MR. The Buck stops with Me ) Fred Wilpon and his loyal dopy son Jeff…

The Mets are neither Building for the future…nor playing for the present….I sadly think they are just biding time til their finances go back in order…then they can play the same silly game they did for the past 20 years…

1 – sign several high profile …big name free-agents…to draw in crowds who want to see stars..

2 – go cheap on the farm…

3 – non-existent development…no cohesive philosophy on hitting/fielding/pitching from A-AAA

4 – blame the GM….

5 – wash…rinse….repeat…

Neither do you!

I guess some people have a problem with facing reality.

Of course Mianya left a garbage minor league system, terrible contracys, and mediocre minor leaguers.

Bayonne is just mad that you are FAR wiser at 15 than he can EVER hope to be.

Too bad.

He’s back with more irrelevance and drivel.

I always wondered why Bayonne, NJ was such a hole.

Now I know.

And lording over peoeple because you are old and “seasoned” is D-U-M dumb. If you were only as articulate as Conner at that age. Articulate means speaks good.

And yes, he is correct in the fact that the minor league system was neglected by Omar. A nugget of goodness coming out every now and again is comparable to a blind squirrel finding a nut every now and again. In general, he did not leave the minor league system in good standing. If he did, we would not have to wait until 2013+ to have some blue chip prospects start rolling through on. Consistent basis.

I must be a Sandy supporter because I don’t back your thinking, if you can call it thinking…

I also must be a masochist for responding to you.

On August 11 the Dodgers were 13 games ahead of the Giants. Earlier in the season, the Dodgers had won 12 of the 15 games played between the teams. Starting in the second week of August, the Giants won 16 straight games. By the end of the streak, the Giants took out 8 games of the Dodger’s lead and were only 5 games back. They went on to win the pennant in the third game of the playoff on Bobby Thomson’s walk-off home run. It was the famous “Shot Heard ’round the World.”

If they don’t repeat it’s not that they went above thier talent level it’s that they did not recreate the condition needed to meet thier talent level.

A guy who has been a great hitter and all of a sudden stopped being great did not play above his talent level. It might be possible that he can no longer recreate what made him great due to physical limitation of age or injury…

In those cases you can say he doesn’t have the talent he had but you sure wouldn’t say he layed above his talent level those years he was good.

Think Bay in that regard.

But these guys are a team. There are definit reasons why they lost. They may not be singular reasons and instead a combo of problems that all hit the same time (and I noted two in my reply)

In this case it was we faced all the best teams in the league! And lost two starters who were a big reason why we had a winning record in the first place!

You can find something that may have been lost in any down situation and the down could last longer than the high but it is not proof that the high was a Mirage! It actually happened and can happen again provided you meet the conditions needed to do it!

As for what I said about Sandy well all things ebb and flow have highs and lows!
The key to building a winning team is to help it out so that while some parts are low new parts can bring it back up to the highs.

That didn’t happen. The team hit a tough stretch, thier GM and many fans gave up on them and that made it even harder for them to dign themselves out because everyone around them sucked the energy right out of the attempt!

Conner I have to ask….
Please list the moves he has made since he got here that suggests that to you!

I’ll help you out and start you off….

1 – Wheeler
2 – ????

And winning the World Series is what all of this is all about.

I am thinking and I am thinking that I agree with Alderson’s philosophy because I believe that, for the most part, he is building the team the right way. Sure, maybe he has been a little bit too patient at times, but in the grand scheme of things, he has the right idea, and that’s to build an organization from the lowest levels up. There’s nothing wrong with supporting a GM…

Who knows? I’m probably wrong, considering that I’m an arrogant 15 year-old who knows nothing at all about baseball other than “the book.” I really have to start thinking…

You have no idea what the hell you’re talking about yet, at 15 you keep reminding the readership here that you know just as much baseball as anyone here. You’ve said that before. Keep that up kid.

Oh yeah and just keep it limited to the examples i brought up. What about the Tigers? What did they give up for Anibel Sanchez and Omar Infante? They raped their farm system to get those 2 guys? I don’t think so.

Point is a smart GM who wants to win COULD make a trade to improve this team. I don’t see anything smart being done by the Mets current GM – that is my OPINION

And you do NOT know as much about baseball as I do or anyone else my age. You DO NOT KNOW and it’s ARROGANT for you – a 15 year old – to think you do.

What is your experience? And be prepared because you will be asked that question a lot when you get older.

Your latest response is your OPINION. Try to learn the difference between that and mistaking it for fact.

It’s not a generational thing. It’s not that younger fans give up easily, we are just using common sense and setting reasonable expectations each year. It has nothing to do with what you call “the book” because that’s not what this is all about. The newer generation of fans doesn’t live by Moneyball or even think about it on a daily basis nearly as much as you say we do. Newer fans are just as passionate as you (and every older Mets fan) are. Younger fans aren’t stupid or ignorant. We know just as much about baseball as you do. I don’t know why that’s so unbelievable. You don’t have to have been a Mets fan since the 60s for your opinions to be relevant.

I don’t want Sandy Alderson to make an impulsive decision that will risk the long-term future just so a third-fourth place team can win five more games. You mentioned in another comment guys like Shane Victorino, Hanley Ramirez, and Joe Blanton. You think that if the Mets added one of those guys, the Mets would be a playoff team? No way. They would need to acquire one or two big-time pieces in order to make the playoffs, and that would require giving up a few “jewels” (as Hank put it) from the farm system.
Just because “this is New York” doesn’t mean we have to be the Yankees every summer.

All done. Fire away.