Comments on: On Second Thought, Dickey Will Not Be Used On Short Rest

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Thu, 09 Aug 2012 17:18:21 +0000

Figures!

By: Steve From Norfolk

Steve From Norfolk — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 23:06:09 +0000

Before you say that, remember that Jason Phillips came up as a catcher! Also, remember Mackey “Yips” Sasser that couldn’t throw to 2B without double or triple pumping?

By: Donal

Donal — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 12:39:08 +0000

There is a team option for next season. It is in their best interest to keep him healthy.

By: gary s.

gary s. — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 03:57:08 +0000

One more idiotic idea by a team run by and owned by idiots.Just watched Thole screw up an out at home plate when the throw beat the runner by 20 feet.Thole looked so afraid to get hit at the plate that the minute the runner made contact this clown dropped the ball.Not to mention that Hairston should have caught the ball in right center to begin with.What an awful team.Maybe Dickey can catch in between starts also.Can not be much worse than Thole who is one of the worst offensive and defensive catchers ever to wear a met uniform.

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 01:24:46 +0000

Totally Off Topic: But so funny.

Umpire ejects sound guy between innings for playing 3 blind mice over the speakers. LMAO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS0GrJoBBzs

By: oleosmirf

oleosmirf — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 01:15:59 +0000

the extra rest is a bunch of garbage. Santana’s fastball is very hitable now that it’s only 88 mph and he tends to groove it over the middle. Not a good combination. Combine that with a bad command and it makes his change-up much less of a threat.

By: sarge69

sarge69 — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 01:12:16 +0000

Back then you had DH before owner figured they could make more money by charging for single games.:)
So you only need 4 starters, 2 for Sunday plus extra “long” man “journey” man on team for long stretches of games.

Don’t he remember what happened to No Han after his no hitter and the “extra” rest because of 10-15 extra pitches? This really hurt No Han, apart from the media crush over the 1st Mets no hitter.

Bad idea and am surprised by this, if it is coming from TC, cause he doesn’t seem the type to panic to try to rescue this season or is he trying to look good for an extension after this season?

Bad, Bad idea; did I say Bad Idea?

By: oleosmirf

oleosmirf — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:54:36 +0000

Just because RA is going every 4 days, does NOT mean there is now a 4-man rotation. All it means is that RA will pitching more often, at the expense of the other guys in the rotation.

Given Niese’s propensity to wear down, Johan and Young’s shoulder and Harvey being on an inning’s limit, it makes perfect sense.

Oh and if guys didn’t know RA throws a knuckleball so less need for rest. I think it’s a fantastic idea…

By: Matt

Matt — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:52:56 +0000

Sounds like they are saying they are going to use him up this season because they have no intention of going after him in the offseason…or they are hoping he gets tired and hit hard so his asking price will be more in the Mets’ ballpark. Why else would a team 8.5 GB of a playoff spot do this with their Cy Young candidate?

By: Hawk

Hawk — Sat, 04 Aug 2012 00:51:04 +0000

I don’t see the point in this either. I thought Dickey had a say in the decision and
didn’t he say he did not want to do this?

By: Metsie

Metsie — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:09:30 +0000

I don’t really see the point to doing this right now.

The issue isn’t Dickey’s ability as much as it is the affect on the rest of the rotation.

Santana is supposedly coming back soon and we have already seen what happens to him when you mess with his schedule!

By: Donal

Donal — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:27:03 +0000

Is that because there was an actual 5th spot in the rotation or because teams would use a spot starter if a regular was dinged up or looking tired?

By: HogWild

HogWild — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 04:59:02 +0000

The 4 man rotation is a MYTH. Largely, teams have always had 4 main starters and a carousel of guys trying to fill the 5th slot.

Examples:

1969 Mets http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/1969.shtml

Look at the GS stats, even on this historically great pitching team!

In this 162 game season, a 4 man rotation would mean 40 starts each. NO ONE made 40 starts.

Seaver: 35 starts
Koosman: 32
Gentry: 35
Cardwel: 21
McAndrew: 21
Ryan: 10
McGraw: 4
DiLauro: 4

How about the ’73 Mets? http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/1973.shtml

Similar: Seaver, Koosman, Matlack, Stone but then we have 6 players combining for 24 starts. Sounds like a modern 5 day staff to me.

The 2000 Mets 5th starter Bobby Jones made 27 starts. Very similar to 24 starts by the “non-existent” 5th starter in 1973. Staff ace Mike Hampton made 33 starts. Hmm… looks similar to Seaver’s 35 starts in ’69.

Lest you think I’m not going back far enough…

1927 Yankees http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/1927.shtml

In an era of 154 games, 5 starters made 21 or more starts. Another 3 guys combined for 23 starts.

The difference in pitching today is that the great pitchers aren’t allowed to FINISH their games. We have more middle relief and so-called specialists. Or as I call them, guys who are too sucky to pitch a full inning.

Basically, the great pitchers have always been able to pitch two to three hundred innings per year. And that type of pitcher has always been hard to find! Plus remember, if you’re on a good team, you will pitch many more playoff innings than in days of yore.

So Dickey putting out there every 4th day from here on out would get him to about 35 starts for the season.

That is all.

my jokes: http://www.twitter.com/hogwild

By: jerseymet

jerseymet — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 04:29:49 +0000

No.

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 02:31:38 +0000

In other news, the Angels and Rangers are at it again.

By: Donal

Donal — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 02:24:14 +0000

Colorado is doing it because they all suck. They aren’t even really worried about letting their starters go 5. They seemed to have gone too far in the opposite direction and abandoned any concept of roles.

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:47:38 +0000

That was in 1995, I think, but only for a bit. Boone scrapped it in the second half. How’s Colorado doing with theirs? I think they’re still going strong with it.

By: Des

Des — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 01:37:36 +0000

No for all the reasons stated here and some that weren’t. Bad decision.

By: Metsfaninparadise

Metsfaninparadise — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 00:51:47 +0000

Dickey’s arm may be up to the challenge, but I’m more worried about his 37-year-old body. What’s the point if they’re not in the race? To give Young & Santana’s reconstructed shoulders a little extra rest? Give Hefner a spot start then. To me it’s just an example of creating unnecessary complications. Why disrupt the routines of the young guys, Niese & Harvey? In short, thumbs down

By: srt

srt — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:46:54 +0000

No. Not if the plan is to go on 4 days rest from here on out.
Doing it a couple of times is O.K.

They want to take the oldest SP and pitch him on 4 days rest the rest of the way? He might not be in danger of TJ but everything else from legs to shoulders to oblique is 37 years old.

When/if Johan returns just stick Hefner in the BP and use him for spot starts.