Comments on: If You (Re)Build It, Will We Come?

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:19:01 +0000

LOL Guess I hit a nerve…I hear people are getting banned for bad language these days…
Better be careful!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:17:44 +0000

Correct Steve!

Total taxes and cost of living which in many ways is due to all the extra taxes on businesses and commercial spaces causing higher prices and yes even the mentioned Sales taxes.

It is way more expensive to live in NY or NYC than most places in this country.
In fact the only place I think it’s more expensive is hawaii!
And that has as much to do with having to import most of the good your can buy and the fact real estate costs a fortune.

By: Steve from Norfolk

Steve from Norfolk — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:06:39 +0000

I think the comparison was on total income taxes, not sales taxes. Please correct me on this if I am in error.

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:06:00 +0000

This is why you’re a fkn ass whole. Make your point without resorting to childish insults. You have no idea what my employment backround is. A lot of people would love to be in my position. And Maniac is the one that gets a ban. Go figure.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:57:12 +0000

Rob just pointing out thspecial case of the Marlins.
Starting from expansion it took them 5 years to build a Winner (us only 7) but they had the advantage of Free Agency to help build that team, So no miracles there!

They had the advantage of 3 years of high draft picks, plus the original top draft picks thier first year in existence and the expansion draft as a starting off point.

They then sold off anyone who was good the year they won the WS and those players were at thier most valuable and stockpiling kids into a MiL system that was already chock full of highly touted draftees from the previous 5 years!

And those kids 6 years and a lot of losing later won another WS!

So they never sustained success to drain the Minors in thier two runs the way we have roughly three times in our existence, the last coming right around 1989 just three short years before you started tallying wins.

By: Marco

Marco — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:55:28 +0000

If the Wilpons had any sense, they would sell the team to a more savvy and more competent owner not afraid to take bold steps and spend money. Red Sox management is good model. Recognizing they have lost their way this year, they make a blockbuster deal with the Dodgers that gives their fans something to hang onto. In contrast, Mets fans are insulted with status quo bush league steps. Pathetic.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:51:48 +0000

But you have to pay NY taxes if you earn your money in NY no matter where you live!

Unemployed folks like you would not know that!

By: Des

Des — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 20:10:23 +0000

Hi Metsie — I was responding to what you wrote, not what you intended. NYC is a tough environment for keeping what is earned, no doubt.

By: Mr North Jersey

Mr North Jersey — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:55:43 +0000

No prob Rob. I did that chart back in November because of the myth that simply spending more means more wins. Far far from it. Spending wisely not more. If a 21 year window does not show that when it comes to the Mets nothing will.

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:28:43 +0000

This is really pathetic. This is a clear cut example of a piss poor job devloping your own players. Spending money in the wrong areas. Paying players for what they did for other teams, instead of spending money drafting and developing their own.

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:23:37 +0000

You don’t have to live in NY just because you play in NY.

By: rob

rob — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:16:52 +0000

Metsie–thanks for your opinion. I just tend to disagree…but it’s all good.
The Marlins, for example, play in our division and with 2 championships they achieved in their short existence, they have matched our total in 50. And think about it: The Marlins won in 97–then went ahead and destroyed that team. But within 6 years–just 6 years they were Champions again.
Yes, the Barves have been a powerhouse in our division for 20 years but the Phillies have only been a force for about 5 years.
We play in a tough division, granted. But what about the Rays who have to face the Yankees and Red Sox all summer?
As for the Rockies, they probably have the toughest team. They are a team built for power–yet the play in a division with 3 stadiums (LA, SF and San Diego) that are all pitchers parks.

Yes, it definitely is easier to build a winner nowadays. But yet our Mets–big market and big payroll–have not been able to to the same degree as these other clubs I mentioned.
Just a difference of opinion. It’s all good.

By: rob

rob — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:06:32 +0000

I mean Thanks ‘North Jersey’

By: rob

rob — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 19:05:14 +0000

Thanks Metsie. I was searching around last night for a stat like you found.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 17:06:18 +0000

I got that from the totals (It didn’t say 1993 until AFTER the chart was presented which is why I got confused)

My point is that cherry picking times to start is a bad habit when you start your comparison at a time where the other team was just recently at the top and is still on it’s way down (before it can rebuild) compared to a team that is down and has no way to go but up PLUS gets the advantage of starting off at the top of the draft despite the fact thier expansion draft may not have left them as the worst team in baseball as a starting point!

It’s no different than a race where one guy starts the race after having blown his load racing to the top of the previous hill and expecting him to be able to beat a guy who started at the bottom of that hill and expecting the first guy to beat him up the next hill!

They are not starting from the same point!

In 1993 we were not trying to rebuild we were trying to maintain!
So we had to get to the point where a rebuild was the plan before we could race those who started the race rebuilding!

And it’s rediculous to think that we were going to win as many as those teams did!

We did get to as many postseasons as most of them!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:57:17 +0000

Ahhh I see a little bit of David copperfield going on….Don’t look here look there!

What are the income tax rates?
What are the cost of living standards for those locations?

A 1 room apt can go for as high a 2K in NYC…What does one go for in Atlanta Miami and Alabama?

By: Joe D

Joe D — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:50:19 +0000

Metsie, the chart is illustrating 1993 until now. It’s intended to show how we fared since the last MLB expansion.

By: Des

Des — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:27:38 +0000

Sure, Wally is looking good unless you look at some YouTube videos. The man is occasionally nuts. Reminds me of Leo Durocher. Wally is one of many fine baseball minds available. My hunch is Wally never manages the Mets.

By: Des

Des — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:22:12 +0000

Technical Foul

The state sales tax rate in New York is only 4.00%
The state sales tax rate in the California is 7.25%

Combined taxes in major American cities:
Birmingham Alabama 10.0%
Montgomery Alabama 10.0%
Chicago Illinois 9.5%
Glendale Arizona 9.5%
Seattle Washington 9.5%
Phoenix Arizona 9.3%
Memphis Tennessee 9.25%
Nashville Tennessee 9.25%
Tucson Arizona 9.1%
Mesa Arizona 9.05%
Baton Rouge Arizona 9.0%
New Orleans 9.0%
Scottsdale Arizona 8.95%
New York, NY 8.875%

By: hotstreak

hotstreak — Sat, 25 Aug 2012 16:18:09 +0000

TC is not looking so good: It doesn’t matter that very little is his fault. We know it is ownership’s fault. Wally is looking real good. Use him or loose him. During the off season it is MORE important to make WB manager than extend DW.