Funny, coming from you i’d glady say i don’t give a fu** what you think… You’re the same guy who trashed reyes while he was a met, don’t like any player who wears a met uniform and now you’re gonna tell me i am rooting against him just because i said sandy’s gold medal is STRUGGLING in Double A nonetheless?? Stop slurping everything sandy does, snake…

That was a different era and altogether different set of circumstances. Though people can read about those days in books, one had to experience it in order to understand what it was like to be a new breeder and the fun we had.

Thanks for expanding.

Actually, it was when you began posting figures on his improved ball to strike ratio and limited amount of walks over a few games. Maybe not immediately after that, but am sure you understand what I was wondering about – that part of his dominance had to do with hitters chasing pitches outside the strike zone and that he could get away with this in the minors but not in the majors. He is now perhaps learning how to get a pitch to break, slide and sink just enough within the strike zone to fool the batter, which will make him a pitcher and not just a thrower.

Coming from you even though I know it’s tongue in cheek that is funny considering how you love to talk about the good old days of Mets past.

Out of curiosity. When would you say was the point his control began settling in?

I too was wondering whether or not the whole organizations swims or sinks together at the same time. I mean, there must be something good going on other than great ticket prices on great seats now being given away on stub hub.

Also think the Mets are taking this 50th anniversary thing too seriously. We were playing like this in 1962 while the Yankees were running away with the pennant (now known as a division).

Will not deny that some of us might be fighting off that temptation you mentioned. But the bottom line is that he is a Met and that Sandy Alderson and his staff are going to be judged on their overall performance and not just the Wheeler trade.

For anyone to think he was not going to go through a rough stretch at one point would be foolish. But for anyone to take a rough stretch as indication that he is not all that he is hyped up to be is just as foolish as well.

It will be Wheeler’s overall performance that will determine what kind of pitcher he might or might not become. It does seem, however, that when his control began settling in, he began to be hit hard. Scouts all said he had to master his control problems in order to be successful. So what this might indicate is that he still has to learn how to better locate pitches within the strike zone – and that is what the minors is there to teach.

The result we can only wait and see.

Did you happen to see any video of those hits in question? It would interesting to see if they were lucky to find those holes or if the batters took level swings to place them toward that direction.

I know you’d be the one gloating if he does fail because SA TRADED for him, instead of hoping a guy that wears METS across his chest does well.

Just looking at the box score the 1st thing that stands out is he had no walks and threw 58 oh his 84 pitches for strikes (69%) in his 4 innings of work. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t wild in the strike zone but until one hears more it is hard to say.

The other thing to take into account if it wasn’t something physical and his velocity was good and he wasn’t wild is could he be working on a pitch. Still no amount of working should allow for 10 hits 5 earned runs over 4 innings.

Interesting concept.