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2012
Second Half Failure Will Be Good For The Mets
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I know what your thinking..The Mets are well on their way to making the 2012 season nothing more than an afterthought. The fact is your probably right, and that’s exactly what needs to happen if the organization is to find its way back to the promise land sooner than later. With the semi-successful first half, many Mets fans (myself included) allowed themselves to buy into the possibility that this team could make the post-season. Having lost 11 of their last 12 games, the 41-24 record needed the rest of the way to reach the 88 win mark likely necessary to clinch one of the wild cards spots, which by the way equates to a .631 winning percentage over that time, seems pretty far fetched.
Again, I know what your thinking. What die hard Mets fan would ever wish an all out collapse on their team. The answer is..this one! Bear in mind that I really have no issue with the Mets management. I think Terry Collins deserves an extension, and with the exception of some of his bullpen acquisitions, I think Sandy Alderson has earned his pay check to date as well. So why is it that I feel the Mets need to fail miserably the rest of the way? I want this front office to know, unequivocally, that the roster they have now won’t land the organization in the playoffs anytime soon.
Taking a look at the current roster, any honest Mets fan will struggle to find more than five or six players who’ll find themselves here long term. With a failed experiment in right field, and a project that remains in the works at second base, only Wright, Tejada, Davis, Dickey and Niese should find themselves untouchable as the front office pieces together the 2013 team. For many, the immediate response will be the include Daniel Murphy on that list, but as someone who doesn’t view him as the second coming of Christ, I envision him as an extremely solid bench player if the Mets can’t find a worthwhile taker on the trade market. After that, there are no sure bets for the future.
My point is, the 2012 season was suppose to be about building for the future. Develop the youngsters, work them through the system and make sure they’re ready to play when their time comes. The first of those so called saviors will arrive on Thursday, when Matt Harvey toes the rubber in Arizona. Behind him will be Zack Wheeler and Matt Den Dekker, who will likely find their way to the big league roster next season. From there it remains anyone’s guess. The sample sizes on Jordany Valdespin and even Kirk Nieuwenhuis remain far too small to decide if they’re part of the team’s future. Whether Jenrry Mejia and Jeurys Familia end up in the rotation or the bullpen will ultimately decide the direction of the pitching staff. All of these things still need to work themselves out before the Mets can legitimately be considered a contender in the NL East.
My guess is that seems harsh for many of you, however I implore your to remember that this process was not supposed to culminate until 2014 when the team would not only find their best prospects at the major league level, but also be able to rid itself of its most bloated contracts. That not only puts the organization’s best talent at its highest level, but it will also provide (hopefully) the front office with the financial freedom to fill in the holes as necessary, to build a championship baseball team and prove once and for all that the miserable second half, the one I am advocating, won’t be for naught.
Again, as I stated before, failure this season is imperative to that goal. Should the Mets find their way into the playoffs, change will be resisted. The front office will look to make additions as opposed to weeding out those who simply don’t possess the talents necessary to take the Mets to prime time. Simply put, they’d be forced to mortgage the future, for the present. A business plan that has failed plenty in Queens over the past decade. Even a mediocre run the rest of the way in 2012, leading to a .500 finish, will prevent the sweeping changes needed to this roster.
The Mets may be in disarray now, but at the sake of sounding cliche, fans must remember that Rome wasn’t built in a day. In order to field a perennial contender on the mid-market budget the Wilpons appear prepared to provide, the minor league system will be team’s most valuable asset. From there, responsible and creative spending will be needed to fill in the gaps. Those times are still more than a year in the making, but if we are to arrive there on time, failure is a requirement now. Its my belief that even in spite of this extended timeline, the organization remains headed in the right direction. That will require fans to remain patient, remain loyal and ultimately remember that we’re all on the same team, even if things don’t move as quickly as we’d like. Sandy Alderson has a plan, and just like Omar, we owe it to him to see it through. When everything is in place, when Sandy’s team is finally on the field, only then can we cast judgement. Until then, unfortunately..its a waiting game.
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About the Author: Rob Patterson
Ultimately, I owe nearly thirty years of Mets related torture to my mother, who is the reason I became a fan. I was too young to remember the 86 run, but hope to see one I'll be able to recall much sooner than later. I enjoy writing about the team and welcome your feedback on my posts. Oh..and I am not with 28!
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NL East Standings
| Team | W | L | Pct. | GB |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Braves | 22 | 18 | .550 | - |
| Nationals | 22 | 19 | .537 | 0.5 |
| Phillies | 19 | 22 | .463 | 3.5 |
| Mets | 15 | 23 | .395 | 6.0 |
| Marlins | 11 | 30 | .268 | 11.5 |
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I get what you mean, but there are some who will slaughter you for that subject haha
To me the Mets need to do 3 things fairly soon.
Get Wright inked, Get Dickey or Collins inked, and get Bay out of here.
Those 3 moves will show the fan base more than trading for a reliever at the deadline.
I’m prepared for the beating lol
I’m not really sure that getting Wright all tatted up like Rauch is the answer. And no way do I want Terry extended!
LOL.
If they don’t extend Wright, I expect a fan base revolt. Losing Reyes was one thing – some of the reasoning there was valid. But losing Wright as well? Even those who have bought into the ‘plan’ aren’t going to take that well.
In recent years Mets fans have griped about every field manager the Mets put in the dugout. Willie, Jerry, Terry . . . . . Personally I think Terry Collins has done a great job, while recognizing that I’m not holding him to the impossible standard of having to be perfect. The few moves he’s made poorly during games are more than offset by the great chemistry he’s brought to the clubhouse. But stick, take heart in knowing you’re just joined the MMO guillotine group of managerial assassinators. lol
I am fine with Terry as he keeps Wally the hell away.
Take it from someone who’s seen a handful of Bison games this year: the way they’ve clamored for Backman to be manager, it wont be long for fans to turn on him. Sure, there will be special treatment towards him because he’s an ’86′er, but be careful what you wish for.
“Get Collins inked”
Uhhh, no.
Jessup… Do you live in a world isolated from other human beings. The Met fan base, other than you and a few of your lesser Alderson supporters, has turned off. Each turn off is greater than the last. Signing collins is going to make the fan base happy? Please send me some of what you drank last night.
Amazin — Maybe in your wonderful world we should bring the great unifier, Tony Berazard, back to run the clubhouse. Does anybody know what Tony is up to these days? lol
Give me the professionals, Sandy and Terry, any day instead of Tough Tony and the guys who allowed him to run wild. He really undermined not only Willie but also Omar. Anybody notice how quiet Jeff is these days? Wilpon the Younger isn’t BS’ing anybody anymore like when Omar was the sacrificial lamb.
Tony is looking for his shirt.
Uh oh. This should be fun.
I think they could have done both. If the miracle happened this year, they would still be building for the future.
Harper in the DN had a piece today that they should trade Murphy for some RHP MR from the Padres. Seemed like quite an overpay. nd he was excited about that guy because even though he had a rough start, since late May he only gave up 4 runs.
But, I found another RHP MR like that they can likely get cheaper. for the last 2 months (20 games since 5/28), only 5 ER allowed, for a 2.87 ERA, a .613 OPS against, and a WHIP below 1.00. pretty much exactly what this pen needs right about now.
Won’t even have to make a phone call, because it is Jon Rauch.
if the market price for that production is Murphy, forget about buying. Trade Rauch instead. parnell too.
They should trade Rauch and maybe Parnell as you said. I liked the guy from the Rockies though
Fire in the hole!
Loooong term planning.
We all know that Winning this year is not part of Alderson’s “Master Plan” and the fact that they were within striking distance of the playoffs put Sandy in a awkward position. He doesn’t want to be a “buyer” at this point of the plan…I’d go so far as saying that he was hoping that he could be a “seller” and get rid of more players to stock the system with cheep… errr.. .afforadable… .errr… young talant so the team has a chance to compete in 2014 with a payroll under $100mil (if not lower).
The team winning (although they wern’t really any better than they were last year and pretty close to what they’ve done in the first half in recent seasons) even though they had some obvious flaws ment that if he did nothing, or sold off players, the fans, who are pretty unstable and ready to revolt anyways, would go nuts…this losing streak is all he needed to justify the upcoming sale of players…it’s coming, just watch. It may not be a big bump like last year, but someone is on they’re way out.
It’s true that maybe making a “Zambrano/Kazmir” type deal would be a bad move to make…I can’t beleive that with all the moves around the league being made that he couldn’t do anything. Also, losing now and selling is going to kill attendance. The fans just started beleiveing again and being excited. I expect the numbers to take a huge drop and CityField is going to be empty the rest of the year. Sadly, a team with money problems can’t afford to lose all that revenue.
While I wasn’t expecting a huge addition, doing nothing and watching the team fall apart is not good for Business or the future of the team.
Again i’m really disappointed with when this team which was 8 games over .500, Alderson did zero to improve the team. They stated they had money to burn so taking a contract or 2, a starter and reliever or addressing catching position couldve went a long way to helping this hoirrble losing streak. I dont think taking on salary in any way probihbits future plans. In fact he failed to address these issues in the off seson also. I’m unhappy with him.
There was the chemistry excuse when things were going well a month ago. Now Santana and Gee get hurt, Francisco hurt, Dickey hits a speed bump and we’re out of it. I guess iff Duda is just a AAA player and not crushing 25+HRs’s and Bay still sux over long seasone this wasnt going to happen, still hate not trying..and thats how ive seen Alderson, mr minimum to get by.
Also i’d rather them sell if they get something that could help then pull what they did w Reyes last season to try to keep people in the seats, it’s going to be empty anyway. Sell them if can get something in return i wouldnt jsut get rid of Hairston or whoever for no real value back.
Im also somewhat disappointed and confused on how Duda handled and what they think of him in his future, I know IDavis got every opp to play thru his slump. I had high hopes for Duda, I saw him as mainstay in RF, if he’s just a 1b or DH they better get quality back for him if traded. Also Nieuwenhaus looks like he needs work and should spend the next month + in Buffalo working on things until Sept, he looks lost. Valsdepin has real flashes but also swings at pictches that hit his foot, he could use some seasoning. Overall i dont think really think we can count on these offensive prospects we’ve seen to take us to the next level or even count on next year to be dependable next season . So all 3 OF’s positions up for grabs now in 2013 now that Duda all of a sudden means nothing and Bay, Torres and cap Kirk look subpar and Hairston is plattoon only or is flawed.
The sad thing is i bet next years team looks alot like this years.defs to me are the infeild as is. Francisco, Edgin in pen, Parnell if not traded. Sanatana Dickey and Neise prob Harvey and Gee if healthy, Wheeler in wings. Mejia also if not he’ll be in pen. Its’ poss Murphy gets traded i hope not he’s winner type on a good team. OF i have no idea, id gues Bay will return and be cut by mid May if not playing well (unless they could get plugged by his contract somhow), cf not sure Rf not sure but same guys we have now but hopefully an area we can spend money and address. Thole backup only please need production out of that position ..again i have little faith we’ll do much to improve the team, whether it’s the Wilpons not wanted to spend money or Alderson being patient or plain fialing at moneyball, i dont know ..
The voice of reason. Good read.
Would we rather be like the Marlins right now? Spend a ton of money for FAs with no clue? Only to turn around in July and put just about all up on the trade block? I laughed right out loud with Loria’s quote yesterday on that Hanley trade:
“We had to do something,” Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria said, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). “The machine was sputtering. It’s too good a baseball team and for some reason it didn’t seem to be operating on all cylinders from the beginning of the season.”
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For some reason? LMAO
This off season should be telling for the Mets. We basically do not have an OF right now and this should be a priority for the FO. I’ll be curious to see what they do about that.
I still like checking in on BJ (not Justin) Upton. Pending FA. Might just need a change of scenery but certainly better than our internal options. Then trade for Justin in the offseason.
The Upton Boys in the OF? Hmm…..wonder what kind of prospects it would take to pry Justin away from AZ?
Start with Harvey and Familia, sprinkle in a Murphy and Duda, and that still might not get it done.
You can make fun of the Marlins all you want. It deson’t take away from the fact that every time since ’06 when this team is in the hunt, the front office says FU to the fans and players, and it doesn’t negate the 2 WS flags they have in a time frame when the Mets have none.
You seriously want to be like the Marlins? Win a WS, have a fire sale?
Heck, they didn’t even wait around long enough this season to see if they could turn it around the second half.
All of our young OF’s have the same template.Lots of strikeouts, cannot hit lefties.and maybe 15-20 home run potential if they played every day.Den Dekker is just another clone.He averages a strikeout every third time up.If one of these guys could hit 35-40 bombs you could live with the K’s but none of them is going to deliver like that.They need to move some of these guys.I don’t see any of them becoming a Bryce Harper “lite” type of ballplayer
Did not see any of these type “losing is good” posts 2 or 3 weeks ago.What a bunch of nonsense and excuses for the FO this post is.Give me a break.
FINALLY. SOME SANITY. I LOVE YOU ROBERT. YOU KNOW WHATS GOOD FOR THE TEAM. THANK YOU.
In all seriousness though.. the more we lose… the faster the turn around. People don’t understand that. YOU WANT BRYCE HARPER?! Lose more. To gain the opportunity to draft a player like him. Jesus people do NOT understand.
Right, losing is good….. Since you like losing so much you damn well better go to all the games for the next few years because they are a pleasure to watch aren’t they?????????
If I did not know any better I would guess that the mets mgt wanted this collapse. I like Terry Collins but who in his right mind would be playing a lineup of cedeno-nickeas-bay-torres-hairston during a crucial part of the season. If you remember it was the left handed bats who came in and started the rallies in the games started by that tandem. And yes it was against left handed pitching. When your looking to end a losing streak you need to use your best lineup not a prayer. Also if we had made a deal for a reliever during ASB we may have had a chance to stay in the race, Thank You Sandy!!! Now it may be too late.
Agree, Our righthanded bats besides Wright, Tejada and Hairston are horrible. Lots of work to do on this lineup and roster.
My guess is that seems harsh for many of you, however I implore your to remember that this process was not supposed to culminate until 2014 when the team would not only find their best prospects at the major league level, but also be able to rid itself of its most bloated contracts.
I cant wait for 2014, we’ve already seen a glimpse of an all homegrown team a few times in 2012 and boy or boy was I excited. Cant wait until 2014 when we can field all our minor leaguers everyday like all of the other small market teams. Too bad we didnt try this strategy in the mid to late seventies. Oh wait, we did.
Regarding WFANs Craig Carton saying we should trade David Wright to Yankees: Please do not call yourself a Mets fan anymore. NO Met fan wants to help improve the Yankees with their best player.
I think you’re taking morning sports talk radio too seriously.
His job is to get people talking. Not to be right.
This
Really, it seems from reading the comments that no Met fan wants to improve the Mets.
Wow, Just wow….. WAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO…. so now FAILURE IS OK!!!!!???????????? This has got to be the most ASININE post i have ever seen in this website… Seriously, How failing is good for anything?????
you gave no inside as to why you even want the mets to fail.. it’s a pathetic article PRO ALDERSON because he did nothing to help this team, instead, you choose this article to basically trash the current roster, yes, they did not have all the talent in the world, but talent does not guarantee winning division or making the playoffs, just ask the marlins or go back to 2007 and 2008 with the mets…
Why on earth would you want to root for the team to fail? and if they are why on earth will you be ok with that??? this is amazing, i have now seen it all in this blog… You’re not a mets fan no matter what you say to me, there should be an article police here so they can banned this article…
ASinine at its greatest level….
^ This comment proves you didn’t read the post, you read the subject and commented. Just as I suspected would happen.
And who is the first to post on this asinine article and the first one to respond to me about it???
The guy who holds the record for most asinine article in the blog and the guy who held the record for the most asinine article in the site….
Man I hope Joe D sends me my trophy!
get over yourself
Yeah, it’s not like Football where you get a better draft pick with a bad record. Even the Met’s FO knows that a 1st round pick is anything but a sure things.
I never thought this team was playing “over their heads”, I thought this team was about where they should have been…even though there was plenty of overacheivers and underacheivers.
All losing does is give Alderson an excuse not to try to improve the team and a pass to sell off players.
I never expected them to go very far if they made the offseason, but they tried hard and made it exciting. Losing sucks and being OK with losing is even worse.
And don’t give me the “bloated” contract BS. This team has only three large contracts. Majority of the team is young and cheep. All losing does is prove that the younger players aren’t good and need to be replaced.
Alderson has been here for two years and you’re telling me that we have to go through another season of this BS before we can expect to win? How come the Mets need four years of rebuilding (actually more because the rebuilding started before Alderson got here) when most other teams, with half the revenue resources the Mets have can do it in less?
We can’t sit on prospects and expect them to bring future success, if you have a chance, you have to take it. Remember how well Generation K worked out?
And yes, I did read the article and it’s BS…winning is never a bad thing. Especially when so much of the teams revenue is tied up to how much success the team on the field has.
The bloated contracts of Bay and Santana represent FORTY million dollars that the organization will be able to reinvest in its roster. That’s close to half the teams payroll right now, that’s not BS.
Folks need to get over this we’re a big market ball club stuff. It doesn’t matter what city you call home if your ownership group can’t afford to cut big checks. And as far as revenue goes, the Mets haven exactly been filling he stadium every night. Even if they were, it’s unlikely the majority of that money goes back to the on field talent. It goes to paying a dozen different debts all over the place. Be mad at ownership, not th front office that has to tip toe through the tulips because of their crumby financial decisions.
I’m writing about the situation we’re in, your arguing about the situation you want us to be in.
First and foremost, it’s insight not inside…
Secondly, to quote myself: “I want this front office to know, unequivocally, that the roster they have now won’t land the organization in the playoffs anytime soon.”
People are holding Alderson in comparison to a ghost… Yes, Omar made moves. However the ownership situation isn’t even remotely similar right now. Also, the part everyone conveniently forgets now, the team didn’t win anything with him at the helm.
I want this group to fail so the organization can move on. Should that take a total collapse? Of course not, but with the sometimes too measured approach of the guy you apparently think I worship, that might be the case.
Yes failure is the key to us rebuilding nfrom within.
We should try and fail and suck for 10 years straight and collect all those top overall picks and then we will be champions again!
See you all in 2022!
Why? We won’t sign half of them anyway.
No once Bay and Santana are off the books he will start signing them all because the price of gas running the Buffal Shuttle once a week will not be cost effective to run for one player at a time and he will get himself a group rate by filling it.
Another great great day for all you loser lovers. Hip hip Hooray……Another loss for the Metsies today!
I agree with you 100%, Robert.
Ike Davis may not be a lock for 2014. First is is tradable at a position that we have organizational strenght. Secondly his attitude seems to be lacking professionalism. Showing up umpires…bad body language. Not running out dropped third strikes. Hudgens says Ike is on his own. Ike is a rally killer. His vaunted defense has alot of errors. Ike is channeling Dave Kingman. I would not say he is a lock to be here.
Don’t say that. Everyone will act like the sky is falling.
Agreed, 2013 will have a big impact on Ike’s career, or lack there of, going forward.
Murph and Duda have both played well at first base. Duda will be splitting time there in Buffalo. Ike has power and punishes pitchers when they make mistakes. He is a terrible batsman. With an 0 2 count his batting average is .050. RALLY KILLER! Ike is better than the year he is having. He is not so good as we had thought in May of 2011. He is becoming Kingman. Trade him.
complete collapse is not required as a motivation for management.
It shouldn’t be, but what’s more likely to spur change? A .500 team who might get by with a cheap add here or there, or the realization when they bottom out that this group simply won’t cut it.
Overall Robert, agree with you on most things. However, I don’t consider Ike to be untouchable. He has a rally killing hole in his swing that has yet to be addressed. We be better off now moving Murph to first base and trading Ike to see what we could get.
Also, you wrote that getting rid of Santana and Bay will save us 40 million dollars. Firstly, we might be able to dump Santana on another team. With Bay we would have to pick up the majority of his contract.
But even if we could dump the 40 mil in contracts what makes you think that the Wilpons would reinvest in the team. All us Mets fans waited for years for last year’s big contracts to leave the team – Castillo, Perez, Reyes, F-Rod. We cut 50 million form the team. Did the Wilpons reinvest any of that money back into the team?
With a 40 million windfall, the team would give Wright a healthy raise and sit on the rest of their money while claiming to re-build. How do I know? We that’s what they have been doing already.
oh – and I forgot the big contract – Beltran – that was off the books this year.
Your right about Ike, he’s no longer untouchable long term. However, I do think he’ll get the entire 2013 season to provide he still has what it takes.
I still cannot rationalize a poor second half as a precursor to a positive future. I have to agree with some that the Mets current plan is really no plan for the future. The Mets have play poorly for the past 3 seasons and it looks like this will be the 4th. I love my Mets, but this is getting to be absurd! I realize there maybe financial issues, but I am sick of the excuses and the wait til next year. I have been waiting for next year since 2000, and so many years before that (86 excluded). Is there a chance we can see a 10 to 15 year stretch that yields some consistent winning? I am just tired of the false promises, the lies, the deception, and the lack of urgency. The Mets as an organization should really be tired of being known as “little brother”, or “second banana” in this town.
I’m not sure this front office has made any promises other than a commitment to developing the farm system. Alderson took over a team in total shambles. It takes time to get through these things. You can’t just launch everyone that “sucks” if you can’t afford to replace them with better players. If the ownership group had the funds necessary to eat contracts things might be different, but right now they don’t and we’re stuck with this.
This team was not a shambles….thats just revisionist history under the guise of Excuse making for Sandy.
But lets just for a second say it was…What has he done to make it better?
PoDesta said just last week that they didn’t really mess with the MiL development personnel they merely asked them to focus on a few different things like OBP which has led to guys being too passive in ABs vs a pitcher like Zimmerman who throws 70% first pitch strike fastballs!
That all our guys took all day and put themselves into a hole!
Robert, you’re just another Sandy apologist. At this point, I would rather have Omar Minaya back as GM than this clown who has done NOTHING to improve the team. The Dodgers practically got Ramirez for free! The DBacks are holding a big “for sale” sign over Justin Upton’s head. But Sandy doesn’t care about this team. He just sits there in his office all day laughing all the way to the bank to cash a paycheck that he has yet to earn! Will I ever see the Mets win a title in my lifetime? With this ownership and FO, I’m not holding my breath.
The Coupons… err… the Wilpons are to blame too. They’ve probably had the FO handcuffed for the past couple of years with their “financial issues.” If they’re as broke as they say they are, they should SELL THE TEAM ALREADY!!! I would love nothing more than to Fred and Jeff Wilpon go by the way of Frank McCourt and stay away from Flushing!
I bet LA will be great again with Magic Johnson in charge.
Three questions:
1) Have you stopped to think why it is Sandy hasn’t done anything? Could it be the fact that the Wilpons can’t afford to take on more payroll or possibly the fact that the Mets don’t have many players with trade value other than their pitching prospects? I think you’ll find the Wilpons are much more to blame than Alderson…
2) Would you honestly want Hanley Ramirez on your baseball team? There is a reason Miami basically gave him away… His numbers are declining and he had a horrible attitude! You get what you pay for. If Ramirez was such a great addition team’s would have been stumbling over one another to trump the Dodgers offer, but they weren’t were they?
3) Do you have any idea the bounty Arizona is looking for for Upton? As someone in this thread mentioned… It’d take Wheeler, Familia and MORE! I’m not signing up for a trade like that regardless of who our GM is. That’s mortgaging the future for the present at its finest…
Could it also be that Sandy doesn’t have a clue who to get if he had the money?
I mean look at who he went after to fix the bullpen!
If we were buyers a week ago this Wilpon is broke excuse for sandy isn’t going to fly!
He was prepared to pay cash and take on salary and you don’t do that if the Owner is broke even if you win all those games we just lost!
You do realize that by being buyers the team was going to acquire a reliever, right? Taking on 1-2 million in additional salary. You make it sound like they were going to acquire a major contract..
And you make it sound like they don’t need to fix the bullpen for next year anyway?
But first off what you suggest is hardly a buy deal but even if thats what it was we still need Bullpen help right?
So why are we no longer looking to fix the pen?
So this time next year when they suck and take us out of the Wildcard race again you can say It’s ok we are on a 4 year plan?
How many year are we having this 4 year plan? 20 years?
You guys keep saying we are rebuilding for the long term…When does this long term happen?
If you don’t work today to make the team better then thats one more day added to your 4 year plan!
Shit or get off the pot already!
No one expects Sandy to get us in the playoffs this year but we DO expect him to improve the team EVERY year not just one where the blue bird of happiness craps on his head and makes him one player away!