Mets Won’t Overpay, We’re In Good Hands With Alderson

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• MetsJets13 July 19, 2012 at 5:14 pm

  Yesterday we were buyers and not sellers? Now we may not buy anything at all? Following this team is becoming a real grind.
• oleosmirf July 19, 2012 at 5:38 pm

  The worst trades are always through desperation.

  Remember the Zambrano…
• gary s. July 19, 2012 at 5:43 pm

  Forget about making the playoffs this year.If Parnell has to preserve a one run lead, we will lose 60 per cent of the games.Watching the ninth today and seeing all the contact (again) he must be tipping his pitches.How can so many players make contact with 98 mph plus fastballs?Would love to know how many times in his career hs has pitched a 1-2-3 8th or 9th inning.There are ALWAYS BASERUNNERS AGAINT PARNELL!!!!
• USMF July 19, 2012 at 6:08 pm

  So we won’t trade someone who might help them win today because they might help us win tomorrow?

  right.
• Tommy2cat July 19, 2012 at 6:27 pm

  We should be sellers, not buyers. This team – indeed this organization – is flawed, as currently constituted.

  - As an organization, we are lopsided with left-handed hitters. This imbalance is quite evident at the major league level, notwithstanding today’s aberrational output against lefty Gio Gonzalez.

  - As an organization, we do not have enough lefty arms available for the bullpen. Not re-signing Takahashi two years ago was a grievous error. His contributions to the pitching staff were multi-faceted. He could spot start, be used in long relief and he could close (8-for-8, if memory serves).

  - We should be sellers, not buyers. Murphy, Duda, Gee (sans injury), Mejia, Familia – basically everyone not named Dickey, Wright, Harvey & Wheeler, are expendable. Yes, even Johan. If Bay gets hot, we should persuade Boston that he’s recovered from “whatever” and that he’ll be useful to them & ship him over for a bag of peanuts and pay 1/2 his salary.

  We are sellers, Alderson just won’t admit it publicly.
  • oleosmirf July 19, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    I agree in part and disagree in part.

    I do not believe we are sellers simply because we have a semi-realistic chance at the play in game AND the fact that nothing we have to trade is of real value. The guys we would ship out will only give us C level prospects so why not just stand just absorb expiring contracts like K-Rod to help with the pen.

    The Mets should be looking to trade our young players for young players in mutually-beneficial trade. Find a team that has a need for an OF like Kirk or Duda who has a surplus of something we need (young RH OF) and make a trade that works for both sides.

    Same thing with the pitching. Find a team that covets Mejia as a SP and maybe we can trade him straight up for one of their young RP prospects. Maybe find a future staple of our bullpen…
  • jerseymet July 19, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Since we are not serious buyers, perhaps we should be sellers. We will have at least a dozen players eligible for free agency after this season. Most will walk. So trade them now for something while the market is overpriced. We have lots of AAAA types fillling our 40 man roster to take their place. Who knows we may find lightning in a bottle if we keep the Buffalo
    Express moving.
• trs86 July 19, 2012 at 9:15 pm

  I would still love Upton and would trade Duda, Murphy, Familia and a decent low level for him but I am sure that won’t get it done.
  • Stick July 19, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    don’t know until you ask.
  • NJstuckinTX July 19, 2012 at 10:35 pm

    It’s going to take Harvey in there to get the deal done.
    • Even Flow July 19, 2012 at 10:55 pm

      As well as Flores since they want a 3B.
      • trs86 July 19, 2012 at 11:01 pm

        That was what Murphy was for
• gary s. July 19, 2012 at 9:25 pm

  Even with all the so called aaaa players on the roster, if we had a halfway decent pen, we would be leading the wild card teams at the present time.Whose fault is that?
• Stick July 19, 2012 at 9:48 pm

  the simple answer is to use the budget that was held back, along with some of the overflow of guys they won’t be able to keep on the 40 man anyway, and bring in some salary dumps to help out.

  So who has just as much to do with which teams that are selling want to save money vs. just get top talent back.
  • trs86 July 19, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    The problem is that I am not sure at this deadline there will be any true salary dumps. There are so many teams “in it” that someone will cave and overpay.
• Joey D. July 19, 2012 at 11:09 pm

  Now, I agree that I would not jeopardize the future for a shot at the playoffs this season because it would take a large contingency of prospects to get enough help to fill the holes created by this front office.

  But, at the same time, I sense the front office also understands how paranoid many have become due to moves made in the past that didn’t work out and is spinning that youth line to the hilt to cover up the fact that they are broke. A team that needed another bridge loan in November and is losing money again this year can’t afford to take over the contractual obligations of big stars from other teams. Nor would it be able to negotiate a new multi-year contract with an acquired player who would otherwise opt for free agency at the end of the year.

  I mean, what is wrong rebuilding a club via a nice mixture of youth, young veterans and one or two aging players who can still perform and guide others with their experience and leadership? Also, how many prospects can one call “untouchable” when so many who perform well in the minors never fan out in the majors?

  So the looking for the future line is more an excuse than a reason. If the situation was in such bad shape, then this team wouldn’t have been giving us the thrills it has this year despite the bad moves made by the front office. It seems as if they are following the blue print of the Cleveland Indians in the film “Major League” to help the owners and not the team.
• martin July 19, 2012 at 11:19 pm

  a week and a half ago i would say the mets are buyers. now they are almost surely sellers. but i am fine if they stand pat and continue to build from within.
  • Stick July 19, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    all teams have ups and downs during a season. a week is not enough time to change things. Whatever they were a week ago, they still are.
  • Joey D. July 20, 2012 at 12:13 am

    Hi Martin,

    The only question I still ask is why do we only have to build from within? Why not build with a combination of those young kids currently on the roster, those coming up from the farm, and players from outside either in the form of a trade or free agent signing?

    Look at the Nationals. Two years ago Washington was a team heading nowhere. Now, with the kids coming up from the farm, shrewd trades that brought them Gonzalez, etc., and free agent signings they are a club to be reckoned with and have the potential to be for many years to come. They also traded some prospects who are working well for Oakland to obtain Gonzalez – which also asks that why with the Mets do all our prospects have to be deemed “untouchable” instead of just the very creme of the crop? Why would separating us from one or two good ones be detrimental?

    Building up from within is a gamble just as much as any other venue. And as we know, we got burned with the quality of our draft picks for too long a time – just like we did with the players we signed through most of the nineties and after the 2001 season. There is no one guaranteed way to build a club.
• Alex68 July 20, 2012 at 7:28 am

  Lmao….. as soon as i saw the title, i KNEW it was craig lerner…… Noone love sandy so openly than this guy… Kepp drinking the kool aid…
  Wanna know what’s amazing? this:”I’m so glad to finally see common sense prevail and that we’ll never see our future mortgaged for a one-shot deal to win a championship ever again”
  I mean, honestly, WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN??? What future?? YOu mean all those prospects who may NEVER pan out? is our future secure just because we have some minor leaguers who, again, might not even make the majors team? It seems logical for a guy who loves SA to take a shot at minaya, how long have you been watchign baseball and following the mets? 6 years or something? By the second year of minaya administration we were championship contenders, also in 2007 and in 2008. hell, also in 2009 our team coming in was pegged to be one of the best. Injuries, choke jobs, bad managerial and more devastating injuries really did us in.
  Sandy Alderson has been here 2 years, and had not been for all those minaya’s players over achiveing and playing out of their mind this team would be 17 games out of 1st place. YEt, the guy is somehow in craig’s view a genius for not “mortgaging the future”.. Go see KC and the Pirates the last 20 years and come back at me, they never mortgage the future, see how that worked out for them … SMH
• Original Mets Fan July 20, 2012 at 9:47 am

  A World Series is the most cherished thing in baseball. It’s the ultimate goal. You make it sound like winning in the minors is better than winning a world series.
  • Alex68 July 20, 2012 at 10:17 am

    Lmao…. I was thinking the same thing, this guy is a loser.. AAnything his lord sandy does and say is the right thing.. Can’t make this up really…
• Joey D. July 20, 2012 at 1:14 pm

  Hi Alex and Original,

  Although I might not have used the adjectives hurled at Craig, in essence the points you two made about the Mets, Sandy Alderson, the business and the “visions”, are all true.

  I do contend that allegiance so strict and unflappable toward any one way of thinking, whether it be in sports, personal relations, business or politics, usually causes one to be more blind than a clear thinker. I don’t want anyone to accuse me of being condescending about my age, but having lived through the sixties I saw what blind support caused in it’s worst possible way. Not comparing baseball to that obviously, but using it as an example to make a point about “there are none so blind as those who cannot see”.

  That’s why many of us have more a dispute with Sandy’s supporters than we do Sandy himself. We recognize the job he was brought in for – keep the Mets as financially afloat as possible so the Wilpons can retain ownership during their own, personal economic disaster. We do not see him being a baseball genius and the one responsible for building those great Oakland teams as others do but rather as being the chief financial officer and legal counsel on an executive level.

  It’s actually a situation where Sandy, the concept of money ball and of computer analysis all merged together to create a reputation that is more legend than factual when it comes to building a team. When a FOX interviewer asked him about money ball last winter on television, Sandy’s explanation seemed far different than spending less than it was spending wisely and to invest more in a single player when it seems merited – a sound financial practice any responsible businessperson would adhere to. It wasn’t at all like the false scenario attributed to Billy Beane and the 2002 Oakland team.

  And so I won’t again be falsely accused of quoting from links on the webs that are non-existent, attached is a summary about that interview as written by the interviewer:

  http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/gm-sandy-alderson-explains-why-theres-hope-for-new-york-mets-121411