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2012
Marlins Acquire Carlos Lee For Two Minor Leaguers
An article by Hojo's Mojo
The Miami Marlins have acquired outfielder/first baseman Carlos Lee from the Houston Astros according to Fox Sports‘ Ken Rosenthal.
Houston will receive two minor leaguers, third baseman Matt Dominguez and left-hander Rob Rasmussen in exchange for Lee.
The Astros will pay almost all of the approximately $9 million remaining on Lee’s contract. Miami will assume the pro-rated portion of the MLB minimum salary of $480,000.
The deal comes less than a week after Lee invoked his limited no-trade clause to block a potential trade to the Los Angeles Dodgers, but the Marlins were one of the teams on is list so that won’t happen this time.
Lee, 36, gives the Marlins the right-handed bat they’ve been looking for and was batting .286 with five home runs and 29 RBI in 66 games for Houston.
Dominguez, 22, was batting .234 with seven home runs and 46 RBIs with Triple-A New Orleans, and Rasmussen, 23, had a 3.90 ERA and 75 strikeouts in 89 2/3 innings for Single-A Jupiter.
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Love this trade for everybody in the NL East except the Marlins.
I am absolutely loving watching the Marlins and Phillies at the bottom of this division. No, I won’t mention somebody who liked to compare Miami’s record to the Mets… oops I did.
But in all seriousness. Lee is a over the hill guy who has shown 0 interest in actually playing for a winner. He turned down 2 opportunities prior. He’s not gonna do anything for the Marlins in my view.
I cannot believe how quickly Gaby Sanchez turned to worthless. Last year he was an All-Star, he’s now been replaced.
Terrible trade for the Marlins who continue to get older. If they think Lee is going to solve their problems they are sadly mistaken. The Marlins are a joke and Jose Reyes deserves to be there.
^ Agree.
I love the fact they are crashing and burning. Their grand plan was to open a new park, buy talent and win games to fool their fan base into thinking the ownership is interested in winning so they sell tickets.
Fun fact.
The Miami Marlins are 12th in Attendance right now (based on percentage of capacity).
It’s not working.
And it will eventually lead to Jose Reyes finishing his contract outside of South Beach because they will tear it down within the time frame of his deal.
I don’t see how this is such a bad trade – The Marlins have been getting nothing from 1stbase all year long, and now they added a good bat to play there in Carlos Lee. I thought it was a good move for them.
Vinnie: Don’t you underatand. Their false god and false prophet sandy, didn;t make the move so it suckss.What’s so hhard to understand.. The jessup doesn’t see a Sandy move its bad. The jessup sees a Sandy move its the best. That’s what puppets like jessup do best. Let someone pull their strings. People like jessup are clueless about the game of basebasll.. Igniore them and you’ll be much better knowing the game bnot their beloved stats for losers.
Did I once mention Sandy Alderson in my opinion of why I don’t think this move does anything for the Marlins?
Just because you cannot wake up without finding a way to mention Alderson in your day-to-day doesn’t mean I’m the same way.
The Miami Marlins are 39-42. What I find interesting about your response and others who say they were getting “nothing out of 1B so its a good move.”
Answer me this: 2 weeks ago, would you have wanted the Mets to trade for Lee and replace Ike?
Unlike Ike, Gaby Sanchez has been an All-Star, so explain to me how or why you’d say the smart move is to WAIT for Ike to come around but for Miami the smart move is to trade for a 36 year old declining 1B.
Gaby’s 28 which some people here say is the “start” of a players prime. So tell me, why wasn’t it smart to wait for him?
Now, the Marlins have no use for a 28 year old 1B on their roster… they went out and added an old overpaid player for the sake of doing it.
Carlos Lee doesn’t turn Miami around. Guys like Reyes, Hanley, LoMo, Bell are what will turn them around. It’s the fact all 4 of them have been a big disappointment.
What I find most humorous about Bell is I bet I can find the same people who knock Francisco’s signing probably said the Mets should have gotten Bell in the winter, yet they seem awfully quiet right now. Bell was the “best closer” on the market.
How’s that workin out?
I also LOVE the fact we’re on a METS site and I say negative things about MIAMI and certain people come here to DEFEND them.
would you have wanted the Mets to trade for Lee and replace Ike?”
No… Other than you and a few others, this site don’t have many stupid, stirring the pot people like you
Carlos Lee doesn’t turn Miami around. Guys like Reyes, Hanley, LoMo, Bell are what will turn them around. It’s the fact all 4 of them have been a big disappointment”
AGREE… Is the season over? How do you know exactly what Carlos Lee will give them the rest of the season? this move COST nothing, what do they got to lose? Low Risk/High reward? Or just release the guy if stink… Plain and simple, Come on man…
I also LOVE the fact we’re on a METS site and I say negative things about MIAMI and certain people come here to DEFEND them.”
Wait what???? This is coming from the same guy who last year drool over the braves, DEFENDED RYAN BRAUN TO DEATH, THRASH JOSE REYES FOR WINNING A BATTING TITLE AND LOVE CRAIG KIMBREL AND ALL THE BRAVES PROSPECTS????
ARE YOU SERIOUS?????
No… you translating what I say and fitting it into your agenda doesn’t work.
I believe this trade was a bad move for the Marlins because it masks what is really going on there. It just adds another player who has proven he doesn’t care about winning. Their bullpen is terrible outside of Cishek and Choate, their “stars” are performing terribly, so what do they do? Add another “star” who is declining/under performing.
Solid strategy.
I love that you defend the Marlins to no end. You know you root for them on the side, so don’t deny it. You come here and say because I think Kimbrel is the best NL Closer that makes me a braves fan, but you defend the Marlins on everything.
And oh by the way, about Craig Kimbrel… 30GP, 23 saves, 0 Blown, 0.77 Whip, 1.50 ERA.
Say it with me Alex. Best NL Closer in baseball. And since Mariano is hurt, Kimbrel is the best “active” closer in baseball over the last 2 years combined.
This doesn’t make me a Braves fan, it means I acknowledge a great pitcher elsewhere. I don’t root for him.
And again, I wanted Reyes to win the title, I think the WAY he took himself out was bush. It has nothing to do with the TITLE.
And yes I thought something was odd with the Braun testing, currently he’s hitting .309, 23 HR, 59 RBI in 76G.
And you KNOW the MLB is testing him like crazy because you KNOW they want to “catch him” to save face. So maybe he was using ped’s that didn’t work or something because it seems like his power #s are there no?
Lmao, you’re so easy kid..
No… you translating what I say and fitting it into your agenda doesn’t work”
Ok, i picked the marlins to win the WS.. your agenda says soemhow i am a marlins fan… Didn’t you pick the Tigers or Phillies to win the WS too? How’s that working out?
I believe this trade was a bad move for the Marlins”
Respect YOUR opinion, but be humble and respects others opinion as well.. Stop thinking you know the future.. You don’t know how this will work out in the end.
“And oh by the way, about Craig Kimbrel… 30GP, 23 saves, 0 Blown, 0.77 Whip, 1.50 ERA.
Say it with me Alex. Best NL Closer in baseball”
Best Closer in the NL… No arguments. Now, you’re gonna NOW lie to save face and tell me and everyone reading this you did not root hardcore for the braves? to the point you disappear for like 3 days after their CHOKE JOB?
And yes I thought something was odd with the Braun testing, currently he’s hitting .309, 23 HR, 59 RBI in 76G.”
The kid is talented, no argument on my part, wanna know something? I am thinking of a player who also used steroid that AFTER taking steroids put up this numbers???
315 56 154
302 35 103
286 30 100
270 35 125
Ohhh, that’s right… ALEXANDER EMMANUEL RODRIGUEZ…. Idiot…. SMH
If the Mets made the exact same move in mid June, would the Marlins supporters say it was a good move?
The Mets were getting nothing out of 1B, had a weak bullpen, probably needed a #5 starter, and had issues behind the plate at the time. Pretty much EXACTLY how Miami is right now…
So would you have been happy if the Mets went out and got Lee and told Ike he’s in a platoon or will just be in the minors for the rest of the year?
Gaby Sanchez isn’t a superstar but he is an all star 1B and Miami just kicked him to the curb and ignored the real reasons why they are where they are.
No, I wouldn’t because I always had confidence that Ike Davis would break out of his slump. I believed that his struggles were because of all the time he missed last year, and that it was only a matter of time before he got his timing back. And he has.
I don’t feel the same way about Gaby Sanchez because I feel he isn’t as talented as Ike is, and there’s no explanation to why Sanchez is struggling – Davis had one – His struggles were because of all the time he missed this year in ST and all of last year – Can Sanchez say the same thing? They are two different players and it’s two different situations.
Like another poster said, for the Marlins there is no downside to the trade – They gave up nothing to get Lee, and they have been getting nothing from1st base, so he can only be an upgrade for them. It’s a good trade.
I think that you and others aren’t looking at this objectively because you just want to pile it on against the Marlins – I don’t like the Marlins either, but I’m still going to look at their moves objectively.
Lol, Crashing and burning??? as disappointing as they’ve been they’re only 4.5 games off the mets?? who have been playing out of their mind!! Idiots like JesseP who somehow don’t like this trade can come up to everyone and say Jeremy hefner who’s 1-3 5.33 was a good acquisition for the mets and sandy alderson, it’s amazing the continuing hate for a team that showed they wanted to win and the sucking up to sandy alderson.. They needed help in 1B, they went and got it, meanwhile, our bullpen continues to BLOW and yet the man is sitting idle.. But hey, they crashing and burning.. Let’s worry about the 4th place team in the division and the joy, while our bullpen continues to blow games, not holding leads etc.. That is what we should be content with this year…
By the way, is the season over already? Because it seems a team that put together a 5 game winning streak move the latter in the standing very rapidly so..
“They needed help in 1B, they went and got it, ”
No, they got Carlos Lee. He’s hitting like a defensive minded second baseman.
“meanwhile, our bullpen continues to BLOW and yet the man is sitting idle”
Last I checked, the Marlins bullpen isn’t much better. In fact, except for ERA, I think they are just as bad as the Mets in every category. And that is with Heath Bell.
‘Playing out of their minds’? Are you saying the Mets have no talent on this team?
3 months into the season and some are still waiting for the other shoe to drop with the Mets. It might very well happen, no one has that crystal ball. But for 3 months maybe, just maybe this ‘overachieving’ team as some have labeled them, is not exactly true. Maybe it’s been a combination of talent and a manager attempting to get as much out of the players he’s been handed.
This while reducing payroll $50 million this year as Miami has increased theirs how much?
And the Nats…..really helps to have the richest owner in MBL. But most of their success – IMO – comes from many years of last place finishes and being fortunate enough to have the high or first round draft picks when the talent was elite those years. Couple that with some good trades/acquisitions (Gio) and they’re now poised to compete. But even that FO has made some bad deals – Jason Werth for instance.
Bottom line is our FO – past or present – is more or less no different than most other clubs. Even the ‘great’ Theo who finally brought a WS championship to Boston made his share of mistakes (trading for Gagne when he clearly knew he was on the Mitchell report). And where is he now? Chicago.
Not that good a bat. He has 5 HR and a .411 slugging. Not exactly what you look for at 1B.
LOL….Miami gets a fat-ass with little power and no defense. What a bunch of morons.
I have no idea who the hell runs the Marlins, but he must be the worst GM in baseball. What a terrible job! It gives me a real appreciation for our own GM right now.
CHAMPIONSHIP!
I saw a quote from Guillen where he says Gaby should blame himself cause they gave him lots of opportunities. While true I wonder how much longer before he is that honest publicly with other players on the team like Bell and Ramirez who also have failed to do their part for the most part this season.
If they continue to lose the finger will eventually have to be pointed at the manager who was given a team that on paper should not be where they are and yet are. (Lee on paper) based on what he has done so far in 2012 looks like an upgrade. Time will tell.
You notice how guys like Sanchez and Morrison get thrown under the bus, but Ramirez, Bell, Reyes all avoid criticism from Guillen and the front office?
Guillen went on a tirade yesterday against his middle relievers to the media, meanwhile, Annibal Sanchez gave up 9 runs and Bell blew the save and lost the game.
I’ve seen this movie before. It doesn’t end well.
How much of what Carlos Lee has left is going to be shortchanged by that new Marlins’s ballpark?
Forgot to add that whatever power Lee has left was no doubt aided in part by the ballpark in Houston. I think one can fit that stadium inside the one he’s going to.
Don’t underestimate how much money had to play into this for Carlos Lee. In Los Angeles, he’d have to do with California’s higher taxes. He had no such “problems” in Texas, and now in Florida. That said, the Marlins have gotten nothing out of 1B and this is a shot in the dark for two fringe prospects (Dominguez was a top prospect who’s been fading for them and is now blocked by Hanley).
Hank: Not exactly true about the taxes. I’m not 100% sure on this but…
Carlos Lee’s residence is in Texas, he’s already called it his primary residence since the new tax season began so he’d only have to live there in the fall/winter and he’d be fine.
The only difference is he’d pay taxes in CA more frequently as a visiting “entertainer” but if that was a deciding factor than that just brings my point even further home that he’s not interested in winning, just making $.
No downside trade…. Gave up nothing and Houston pays his whole contract. Given their combined 1 st base production is the worst in baseball can only be an upgrade. Maybe our Alderson worshippers would like to discuss the Sandy built NL worst Met bullpen. What are we going to there? Look how demoralizing the second half was last year with all the bullpen meltdowns post Krod. Look at how Heath Bell has ruined the Marlins year.. Terry clubs can only keep the spirits high for so long when the bullpen blows game after game
Maybe our Alderson worshippers would like to discuss the Sandy built NL worst Met bullpen”
Jon, that is not gonna happen, you got people here STILL considering FFF a good signing, even still with his 1-3 4.97 3 blown saves in 21 chances with a 1.60 WHip and also one idiot who claims to know more baseball than me and you put together that on record said jeremy hefner was a good acquisition by sandy alderson…. Somehow a guy who’s been AWFUL from the beginning was a good acquisition buy sandy alderson.. You’re never gonna hear them criticize their lord.. SMH
Nice to see some honest reviews. yes, Miami gave up nothing, Yes, miami has gotten nothing out of first base this year, yeas Miami will pay virtually nothing to this guy, yes, Miami won’t be stuck with this guy for years to come. yes, there is only upside to this trade, probably very little but the blind worshipers make it out to be giving away Harper for Lee as they are too stupid to differentiate prospects from real prospects. Good to know that this site has some intelligent posters who can think for themselves and not just follow the pied piper on every little thing.
Good to know that this site has some intelligent posters who can think for themselves and not just follow the pied piper on every little thing”
Welcome to MMO… If this was AA or MB you’d be puking…
Alex68 — “Good to know that this site has some intelligent posters who can think for themselves ….”
Are you including yourself? LOL
As long as i am not you, i am fine… I know more baseball than you in my sleep, and unlike you, i don’t view where a players comes from to think whether he’s smart or not.. It showed me who you truly are as a person, and quite frankly the lack of brains you have.. Not sure why you even bother to post on anything i say, i just like jose reyes am from DR, therefore i must be dumb like him…
Ya, you know baseball so well you jumped on this bandwagon, while an idiot like me predicted crap like this the whole time.
Alex68 — Often you provide really muddled, non-relevant responses. Try to understand what non sequitur thinking really is. To refresh you, I’m the guy who wants everybody treated the same on the ballfield. You’re the guy who tried to get special treatment for your idols. Silly me for expecting more from you.
” Gave up nothing and Houston pays his whole contract”
Them Moneyballing Marlins.
” Maybe our Alderson worshippers would like to discuss the Sandy built NL worst Met bullpen.”
Maybe you Marlins fanboys can explain your own bullpen. That $24 million for Heath Bell is looking like a great investment. Easiest job in baseball and he’s rocking a 6.19 ERA.
See, that’s the problem with sandy’s worshippers, they are worrying about the marlins instead of worrying about the first place Nats… It’s like, well, the marlins bullpen suck so…. Idiot, the mets bullpen is the WORST in the majors, THE WORST, no matter how you look at it, statistically or with your own eyes this bullpen your lord put together have been the WORST IN THE MAJORS!
This post is about a trade the Marlins made.
You…you….YOU, not me you, then made it about how the Mets FO isn’t making deals to make the team better while praising the Marlins…who’s bullpen is probably worse when you break things down….and Alderson isn’t paying Bell $24 million plus an option to suck at the easiest job in baseball.
But hey, I understand why your little feelings are hurt. You jumped on the wrong bandwagon and have it shoved in your face everyday. Just another failure for Alex68. One would think you’d be used to it by now.
But I thought overpaying for closers/talent always works? Weird…
You jumped on the wrong bandwagon and have it shoved in your face everyday. Just another failure for Alex68. One would think you’d be used to it by now”
first of all, is the season over? that’s it? Last i checked the Marlins were my pick to win the WS, just as many baseball analyst did… I Picked the Patriots to win the SB, does that make a loser? yes, according to you, it did… Others were ready to write the angels off after a shitt* start of the season, where are they now?
Another failure? not sure where you going with that, I hope you’re sticking to baseball, because, from what i heard, you’re life story is not good…
“first of all, is the season over? that’s it? Last i checked the Marlins were my pick to win the WS, just as many baseball analyst did”
Yes, because you jumped on the bandwagon. Glad you can admit to it.
“I Picked the Patriots to win the SB, does that make a loser?”
Alone? No, but it is a symptom.
“Others were ready to write the angels off after a shitt* start of the season, where are they now?
Another failure?”
Wow, you fail to see the difference in the situations. I’ll try and act surprised.
Yes, the Angels’ OFFENSE got off to a slow start. Their starting pitching, on the other hand, kept them in games. The Marlins starting 5 have not been as good as the Angels.
The Angels got passed their offensive woes once Mike Trout came up and started hitting. The Marlins still can’t score runs, even with Stanton already hitting 19 HR.
There is one other good team in the AL West. The Angels will have a relatively easy schedule compared to some other teams they are competing with.
Do you think the NL East is going to get better or worse? The Mets scored the 4th most runs in the NL with Ike Davis being ice cold. And their starting rotation is the best in the majors right now.
The Phillies are going to get healthy in the second half. Even if they can’t make up their deficit, they will be far tougher opponent.
The Nats are firing on all cylinders.
One the Dodgers get healthy, they will be fighting with the Giants for the division with 2nd place being a wild card contender. Same in the Central between St Louis and Cincinnati.
Not to mention the Angels currently hold the first AL wild card while the Marlins are 5 games out of any playoff contention with 3 teams ahead of them for the 2nd spot.
” I hope you’re sticking to baseball, because, from what i heard, you’re life story is not good…”
Awww, poor sad, pathetic, desperate alex.
Did I hurt your widdle feewings? Do you have an uncontrollable need to lash out at me for speaking truth to stupid?
Lmao, you??? out of respect to joe D, i will stick to baseball talk, i suggest you do the same. i do not wanna engaged on what you do or DON’T do to make a livign etc… Let’s say, i do pretty well for my and my family..
Of course you need to step away.
Stick to baseball talk? How about you start with it? I keep seeing you brag about how much you know, but you have yet to offer any insight.
I broke down pretty well why this trade makes little sense for the Marlins and also the major differences between the Angels and the Marlins’ respective slow starts, but all you can do is chuck pathetic insults at me.
I’d say it’s a good deal for the Marlins only if one wants to talk in terms of money ball and investment. But in terms of improving the team on the field, though it might not hurt, it is most likely not going to help them, either. So it’s a zero move in my own opinion.
Not that writing a blog means you’re right all the time but
http://www.fishstripes.com/2012/7/4/3137692/miami-marlins-acquire-carlos-lee-from-houston-astros-for-matt#storyjump
“This is a puzzling move for the Marlins. It makes sense because the team is interested in improving at first base without committing long term to an option, but the projected improvement with Carlos Lee just does not seem to warrant the move. Lee is well on his decline phase and it is almost as if the Marlins were working primarily on name value. The prospects were underwhelming but still potentially useful, but the return just seems pointless even given the team’s concerns at first base.”
Somebody should jump on their site and say they are just being “pro Sandy” since that conclusion is practically exactly what others here have said.
Has nothing to do with Sandy Alderson. Has to do with making moves for the sake of making them.