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	<title>Comments on: Malaise Setting In As Listless Mets Fall To Nationals 5-2</title>
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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/07/malaise-setting-in-as-listless-mets-fall-to-nationals-5-2.html#comment-266197</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 00:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Martin,

On another article I mentioned that it was not our destiny to be either competitive, mediocre or bad - that we had some control of that in our own hands.  Whether that would translate into 90 wins or 70 wins one would never know.  There is no guarantee.  But all teams make trades, all teams make free agent signings, all teams bring up those from the minors and all teams also release players as well.  They can also chose to stand still.

Considering that the past three years this team was good enough to compete to the all-star break, moves could have been made.  Whether they would have worked out, again, nobody knows.  But there was a foundation in which to work with.  If one chose a path of staying put, fine, that is an option.  But we&#039;ve seen how that has worked starting in 2010 (under Omar) and by doing nothing, our second halves were nowhere like the first ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Martin,</p>
<p>On another article I mentioned that it was not our destiny to be either competitive, mediocre or bad &#8211; that we had some control of that in our own hands.  Whether that would translate into 90 wins or 70 wins one would never know.  There is no guarantee.  But all teams make trades, all teams make free agent signings, all teams bring up those from the minors and all teams also release players as well.  They can also chose to stand still.</p>
<p>Considering that the past three years this team was good enough to compete to the all-star break, moves could have been made.  Whether they would have worked out, again, nobody knows.  But there was a foundation in which to work with.  If one chose a path of staying put, fine, that is an option.  But we&#8217;ve seen how that has worked starting in 2010 (under Omar) and by doing nothing, our second halves were nowhere like the first ones.</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Worst GM in Mets history?  LOL......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worst GM in Mets history?  LOL&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stick</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/07/malaise-setting-in-as-listless-mets-fall-to-nationals-5-2.html#comment-266126</link>
		<dc:creator>stick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[just the guaranteed portion, meaning the buyout.  Once he clears waivers the option disappears.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just the guaranteed portion, meaning the buyout.  Once he clears waivers the option disappears.</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it is silly to assume there is anything the mets could have done that would have been smart long-term. trades are not free.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is silly to assume there is anything the mets could have done that would have been smart long-term. trades are not free.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/07/malaise-setting-in-as-listless-mets-fall-to-nationals-5-2.html#comment-266048</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have not asserted that it will. If I did, I would defend it. But I haven&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not asserted that it will. If I did, I would defend it. But I haven&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad to see that more are begining to recognize why Sandy was brought in as general manager and that &quot;vision&quot; is just the organization&#039;s well thought out plan to spin the word &quot;broke&quot; and divert attention away from the fact that there is no blueprint that guarantees success - either Omar&#039;s way or from starting off from scratch.  St. Louis and Atlanta are two examples of franchises that found the middle ground - a combination of trades, free agent signings and their minor league system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see that more are begining to recognize why Sandy was brought in as general manager and that &#8220;vision&#8221; is just the organization&#8217;s well thought out plan to spin the word &#8220;broke&#8221; and divert attention away from the fact that there is no blueprint that guarantees success &#8211; either Omar&#8217;s way or from starting off from scratch.  St. Louis and Atlanta are two examples of franchises that found the middle ground &#8211; a combination of trades, free agent signings and their minor league system.</p>
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		<title>By: gary s.</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember all the buzz about Kirk N. being the next Jim Edmonds.Valdy is not ready for Cooperstown yet.Sit him vs tough lefties, play him vs all righties.He has 2 walks in 90 ab&#039;s.Maybe Collins wants him to learn some plate discipline before he plays every day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember all the buzz about Kirk N. being the next Jim Edmonds.Valdy is not ready for Cooperstown yet.Sit him vs tough lefties, play him vs all righties.He has 2 walks in 90 ab&#8217;s.Maybe Collins wants him to learn some plate discipline before he plays every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Even Flow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Even Flow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can Warthen join him too?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can Warthen join him too?</p>
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		<title>By: Even Flow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Even Flow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jordany Valdespin hits his 5th pinch hit HR in this game...and he still will be riding the pine. Shame. Keith said it the other night, the guys on the postgame said it last night, I have said it for WEEKS: He needs to start, but that&#039;s just beating a dead horse, now isn&#039;t it? I doubt he would&#039;ve stumbled on a fly ball that almost would hit him in the face. Just sayin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jordany Valdespin hits his 5th pinch hit HR in this game&#8230;and he still will be riding the pine. Shame. Keith said it the other night, the guys on the postgame said it last night, I have said it for WEEKS: He needs to start, but that&#8217;s just beating a dead horse, now isn&#8217;t it? I doubt he would&#8217;ve stumbled on a fly ball that almost would hit him in the face. Just sayin.</p>
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		<title>By: Wexler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But with a GM who did nothing to help the bullpen when things were good, why would he lift a finger to help the team now when things look bleak?

That&#039;s true and also my biggest gripe and why the team failed. They tried to prove they were worthy of being contenders and in fact they were. But while they made so many believers, the one who didn&#039;t believe in them was the architect Sandy Alderson. He pieced this team from scraps never once believing there would be no question the Mets were buyers. He&#039;s the highest paid GM in baseball, he&#039;s here for the money not because he wants to bring another championship to NY.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But with a GM who did nothing to help the bullpen when things were good, why would he lift a finger to help the team now when things look bleak?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true and also my biggest gripe and why the team failed. They tried to prove they were worthy of being contenders and in fact they were. But while they made so many believers, the one who didn&#8217;t believe in them was the architect Sandy Alderson. He pieced this team from scraps never once believing there would be no question the Mets were buyers. He&#8217;s the highest paid GM in baseball, he&#8217;s here for the money not because he wants to bring another championship to NY.</p>
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		<title>By: gary s.</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where are the underdog tee shirts that Jeff the retard Wilponzi dreamed up in spring training?We could hang a few of those from the flagpoles also.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are the underdog tee shirts that Jeff the retard Wilponzi dreamed up in spring training?We could hang a few of those from the flagpoles also.</p>
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		<title>By: gary s.</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saw Collins on post game.He needs to be fired for mercy reasons.Totally beaten down by the job and the FO&#039;s refusal to help him shore up the team before the collapse.Very bad body language which seems to be carrying over to his players. Nice guy and a good cheerleader but a lousy manager.Make Teufel the interim for rest of year.Who knows, we might even win a game before Labor Day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw Collins on post game.He needs to be fired for mercy reasons.Totally beaten down by the job and the FO&#8217;s refusal to help him shore up the team before the collapse.Very bad body language which seems to be carrying over to his players. Nice guy and a good cheerleader but a lousy manager.Make Teufel the interim for rest of year.Who knows, we might even win a game before Labor Day.</p>
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		<title>By: Trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lol you couldn&#039;t be more wrong.  You of all people know I want the Mets to be a good team.  However as I said it could be worse.  Imagine a Marlins fan, shouldn&#039;t be to tough, who had considered themselves locks are now in a fire sale in the first year.  Sorry but that is funny as hell.  So how about our bet on Hanley and Wright? You still good?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol you couldn&#8217;t be more wrong.  You of all people know I want the Mets to be a good team.  However as I said it could be worse.  Imagine a Marlins fan, shouldn&#8217;t be to tough, who had considered themselves locks are now in a fire sale in the first year.  Sorry but that is funny as hell.  So how about our bet on Hanley and Wright? You still good?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Masiello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Masiello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[City Field maintenance crews were seen taking down the American flags and replacing them with plain white ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>City Field maintenance crews were seen taking down the American flags and replacing them with plain white ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Sloatsburg Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sloatsburg Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alex,

I never agree with you but I must say you are dead on here.  I actually feel bad for TC that he has to run this guy out day in and day out and then act as a human shield for him.  He appears to be a great guy and his teammates love him but it&#039;s just not going to happen for him here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>I never agree with you but I must say you are dead on here.  I actually feel bad for TC that he has to run this guy out day in and day out and then act as a human shield for him.  He appears to be a great guy and his teammates love him but it&#8217;s just not going to happen for him here.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SMH, so while our GM sit on his as$, does nothing, the team is on full on reverse mode, we find consolance on other teams and other players? This is amazing, we&#039;ve lost 10 out of 11 games since the break, it was obvious we needed help, yet since the GM did nothing there are still some people here who are looking for all type of excuses in order to make the GM somehow look good..
There were no viable trade options.
Let&#039;s not mortgage the future.
The marlins are losing and reyes is struggling.

Sandy&#039;s apologists are running out of excuses, SNY guys are already killing him, it will not take long until everyone else joins the rally.. It&#039;s ok for some of you to think i don&#039;t like the man, i&#039;ve said it from day 1, he&#039;s an excuse maker, he&#039;s not here to be GM but play the role of 1, he&#039;s way past his prime etc... He&#039;s the Worst GM in franchise history, and when DW walks out or ask for a trade due to the neglicence of this team and its front office i will see what some of you will say.
It&#039;s really sad and pathetic how soem STILL try to use excuse for this GM]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SMH, so while our GM sit on his as$, does nothing, the team is on full on reverse mode, we find consolance on other teams and other players? This is amazing, we&#8217;ve lost 10 out of 11 games since the break, it was obvious we needed help, yet since the GM did nothing there are still some people here who are looking for all type of excuses in order to make the GM somehow look good..<br />
There were no viable trade options.<br />
Let&#8217;s not mortgage the future.<br />
The marlins are losing and reyes is struggling.</p>
<p>Sandy&#8217;s apologists are running out of excuses, SNY guys are already killing him, it will not take long until everyone else joins the rally.. It&#8217;s ok for some of you to think i don&#8217;t like the man, i&#8217;ve said it from day 1, he&#8217;s an excuse maker, he&#8217;s not here to be GM but play the role of 1, he&#8217;s way past his prime etc&#8230; He&#8217;s the Worst GM in franchise history, and when DW walks out or ask for a trade due to the neglicence of this team and its front office i will see what some of you will say.<br />
It&#8217;s really sad and pathetic how soem STILL try to use excuse for this GM</p>
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		<title>By: jessep</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree they need to just show Bay the door and at least show the fan base &quot;we may not add at the deadline, but we&#039;re adding but subtracting Bay.&quot; 

The problem Alex is its more than $16mil

If you cut Bay today, you&#039;re paying out over $25million to a player not on your team. 

If you cut Bay he is making another $6mil and change this season, plus $16m next year PLUS a $3m buyout from a club option in 2014. 

Here&#039;s a question for somebody though

If they cut Bay and he signs at lg min with say the Pirates - &quot;2014 option guaranteed with 600 PAs in 2013&quot;

If he hits that 600 PA in 2013, are the Mets on the hook for another $17mil or do they only pay the $3mil buyout? 

The way I understand it is, you are responsible for his contract as it&#039;s written... so couldn&#039;t cutting Bay potentially cost the Mets almost $40mil?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree they need to just show Bay the door and at least show the fan base &#8220;we may not add at the deadline, but we&#8217;re adding but subtracting Bay.&#8221; </p>
<p>The problem Alex is its more than $16mil</p>
<p>If you cut Bay today, you&#8217;re paying out over $25million to a player not on your team. </p>
<p>If you cut Bay he is making another $6mil and change this season, plus $16m next year PLUS a $3m buyout from a club option in 2014. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a question for somebody though</p>
<p>If they cut Bay and he signs at lg min with say the Pirates &#8211; &#8220;2014 option guaranteed with 600 PAs in 2013&#8243;</p>
<p>If he hits that 600 PA in 2013, are the Mets on the hook for another $17mil or do they only pay the $3mil buyout? </p>
<p>The way I understand it is, you are responsible for his contract as it&#8217;s written&#8230; so couldn&#8217;t cutting Bay potentially cost the Mets almost $40mil?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MEtfan lou, I can give you $16 million reasons unfortunately... Just cut your losses, show the fan base a move, since we won&#039;t trade for anybody, might as well cut him and appease some fans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MEtfan lou, I can give you $16 million reasons unfortunately&#8230; Just cut your losses, show the fan base a move, since we won&#8217;t trade for anybody, might as well cut him and appease some fans.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could be worse.  Could be a Marlins fan who dis not even get a season out of their WS lock team before the firesale.  I wonder if Jose regrets his decision.    He certainly has struggled as well in what is most likely a toxic clubhouse.  Hey I guess we could trade for him if the Marlins pay about a third of that awful contact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be worse.  Could be a Marlins fan who dis not even get a season out of their WS lock team before the firesale.  I wonder if Jose regrets his decision.    He certainly has struggled as well in what is most likely a toxic clubhouse.  Hey I guess we could trade for him if the Marlins pay about a third of that awful contact.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy2cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tommy2cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My kids and I agree... Thank God for Eli Manning!!!]]></description>
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