No… I’m worried about Ike because he’s not HITTING more. And a product of his slow start? His July Avg and OBP are LOWER than his June.

At what point does the excuse of a slow start get wiped away and we realize it’s AUGUST tomorrow?

Ike has 21 hits in July, 9 of them are HR. So in 22 starts he’s gotten 12 hits that didn’t go over the wall.

That’s not that good. I don’t care how you want to spin it, how you want to bring up a bullpen that literally has nothing to do with Ike Davis.

Ike Davis could and should be the 1B of the future… but THIS Ike Davis, cannot be. I don’t care if he hits 30 HR, if he’s either making an out or hitting a HR he is NOT the player the Mets need him to be.

You can’t have a .211, .276 OBP #3-4-5 hitter in the NL.

Stop making excuses for him with this slow start. It’s August tomorrow. Slow starts are April and maybe May.

Since June 1 he’s a .247 hitter. If you’re telling me that is who Ike is, then that is fine. But that means the Mets have another hole to fill because everybody assumed he’d be a .300 30 100+ hitter.

And most of the season that guy behind him has been Duda or Hairston.

and what you refuse to admit is most of Ike’s OBP is the product of his slow start!

Basically all your really doing is lambasting Ike for not walking more!
While he should work on being more selective… if the guy hits 30 HRs before the year is out you will get all those walks you want next year!

He missed a year of playing time…Thats an excuse none of your Bullpen guys had when you tried to say it was just the early struggle/Short Sample excuse you used to defend them!

When he gets his BA back up to his normal .270 – .300 then that OBP won’t be under .300

I’m not a big OBP guy as much as those you clump me in with as you know I prefer SLG – but… you can’t be the #4 type hitter the Mets need you to be if you’re getting on base 27-30 percent of the time.

You need to do more than some solo HR’s in a rout to be a valuable piece. There are other ways to be effective than a solo HR and RBI.

He plays a position where you need to be a good hitter. 1B isn’t a place you give up offense for a glove.

Of the 16 NL 1B with at least 225 PA, everybody in the Top 10 has an OBP above .330.

.330 OBP compare to .276 is a DRASTIC difference. You can spin it and say it’s only X percentage points. But you’re just saying that to feel better about it.

Ike has the most HR and RBI of any NL 1B right now, but if you’re telling me because of that you’d take him over the majority of NL 1B then we agree to disagree.

To be the hitter we ALL need him to be, he has to do more than hit HR and RBI. Your #4 hitter cannot be worse at getting on base than your 6 7 8 hitters. Can’t do it.

Only 4 players in the entire NL with 225 PA have a worse On Base than Ike. That’s out of 123 players. That is atrocious.

My point isn’t that he is not or can’t be the 1b of the future, my point is he better start having a more complete game at the plate otherwise he’s creating a hole in the lineup that everybody assumed was all set.

I mean a .300 hitter is a guy who makes an out 70% of the time!
Ike is currently only .025 points away from .300 since the slump.

So your really just doing to Ike what you bitched about everyone else dooing to yourt Good Day Bullpen…

With one key Difference…
Ike isn’t STILL sucking and they are!

I mean like before this year it’s not like he made a lot of outs. In Ike’s rookie season his OBP was .351. Ike was getting on base just fine before all the injuries and valley fever. And now that he’s past all of that, he is getting on more, and is now very productive – Most HR’s at his position in the league, and 2nd most HR’s in the league since june 12th.

Ike Davis is the 1stbaseman of the future – It shouldn’t even be a question.

Nobody here said he shouldn’t be good enough. Nobody’s saying give up on him. You’re just turning our words into that so you can brag about your babe ruth league experience again.

Ike Davis isn’t getting singles, and just missing HR’s, He’s hitting a quality amount of HR and then making outs.

You don’t think that’s odd being 97 games into his season? We are constantly over valuing our young players. There were some here you labeled Ike the 2nd best NL 1B after Prince and Pujols left.

It does take time. Which is what I was saying. He needs to PROVE this year was about more than just a lot of X factors (injury, “illness” etc).

As of now he’s Dave Kingman, and in 2012 baseball, Dave Kingman isn’t a future 1B to build with.

I don’t really put much into Righty left splits on an individual basis, but I do believe you need to seperate R/L whenever possible to throw the Pitcher off his game.

Pitchers have to pitch differently to a righy than they do a lefty. Thier available pitches need to be worked on different sides of the plate depending on who they are facing.
And when you put two lefties together in a lineup the Pitcher gets a whole batter to work out his feel for those locations and makes better pitches vs one of the batters.

But split the two lefties (or righties) and the Pitcher is forced to change where he has to throw the ball to get the out and by doing that you increase the chance he loses the feel and throws a mistake!

So while I don’t always bow down to the Righty hits lefties better (or the opposite) for individual performance asa way of life (it has some validity for sure just not as much as some give it) the key is to have a balanced lineup so the Pitcher can’t get comfortable vs righties or lefties because he faces them consecutivly.

I do put more stock in the R/L splits for substitution I should point out.
But as far as a regular lineup it’s really most important for balance and keeping the pitcher having to change his approach because he needs to do different things vs Lefties than he has to do for Righties.

Apparently kids who are in development is something these clowns don’t take into consideration anymore. Vinny B wrote a nice piece the other day about how some fans don’t have patience anymore and that they forget these are still kids who are learning at the big league level.

Of course that clown dislikes Ike for ulterior reasons otherwise most SANE people who understand how baseball works KNOW that the kid got hurt last year, had Valley Fever in ST this year and it takes time to get your act together after missing a considerable amount of time (like Reyes & Beltran did). Add to the fact that maybe he was being stubborn and/or the league had caught up to him and he has to learn all over.

Ike is going to be fine. He will hit .270 – .300 in his career as well. He’s young and he is still developing but those those people like the slimeball live by numbers. That’s why their baseball knowledge is very limited because the guy lives by numbers and has absolutely NO EYE for talent and couldn’t judge a player on eyes alone if his life depended on it.

Who said I hate the guy? He’s proven me wrong how? By hitting 20 HR? Great. There’s more to being a #4 hitter than hitting HR. He’s coming along nicely, but May and June still happened… which is when I said he should be sent down. And oh by the way, my view was backed up by Rusty Staub remember? It wasn’t like I was the only guy who said send Ike down.

The guy needs to prove a lot more before anybody comes here calling him a “stud.” I’m sorry, I’m rooting for Ike big time, if he flops the Mets are in big, big trouble. But a stud? He’s a career .252 hitter right now. You got all over me for saying Freeman to Ike is a fair comparison remember? Go compare them now, tell me how that works for ya. Unless Freeman is now a stud too?

“It’s a bit strange if you ask me how you never seem to like a met player me, bayonne or maniac like… Reyes, Ike Davis… Dillon Gee…”

It’s also a bit strange that you think 3 people i’ve never met in my life have such an impact on who and what I root for.

I root for Ike plenty. I simply hold him to a higher standard than you do apparently because his HR/RBI are very nice, but he’s still hurting the team more than he’s helping offensively.

As red hot as he’s been in July, he’s made an out 72% of the time.

That’s a problem.

Fans will have to accept the horrible first half for Ike and that his 2012 BA will be low. I can see him end up with 30 plus homers…..90 RBI…..but a .240-,250 BA.

Ike is a terrific first baseman, and unless the second coming of the “Mex” comes along, then Ike Davis will be playing for the Mets for years to come.

His defensive prowess is really good and I am confident will keep getting better.

Davis should be tethered to first in the Mets lineup at least through 2013.

LGM!

In 2008, Carlos Delgado had an on base of .353. That’s about 64% out ratio. The difference between getting out 64% and 72% of the time is enormous in MLB.

I didn’t say Ike’s batting average was the problem. I said the fact he makes an OUT over 70% of the time. There’s more to being a good hitter than HR and RBI and Ike is proving that point perfectly.

20HR, 60 RBI is wonderful. But when he doesn’t hit a HR his batting average is .162.

He could snap out of it, but showing occasional power isn’t his only job here.

The point is still very valid and next time you wanna call something stupid, actually read it first.

So far you’re on track… The man has been on fire as of late, he has 20 HR’s so far and well on his way to 30+. IT usually take a good time for some players to get back to baseball form, Beltran in 2010 was just terrible, and he got back to his former self in september of that year.
Since june 12 the man has been hitting 272 15 HR’s and 40 RBI along with a 658 Slug %.

I have a question for you jesseP about your comment “i don’t care how many HR or RBI he has. You cannot play 1B, and make an out over 70% of the time. I’m sorry.”
In 2008 we had a 1B hit 38 Hr’s and drove in 115 RBI, yet only hit 271. you’re telling me that just because that player didn’t hit 300 he couldn’t play 1B???
That is a really stupid statement. I think you just hating on ike because bayonne likes him… There’s no other reason why not to like IKE…