Tim Teuflel? The one who wanted Murphy to run home and be thrown out dead to rights (agreed upon by Ron and Keith) while Daniel, looking at the play from over his shoulder, had the smarts to hold up at third and ignore the third base coach’s instructions?

Maybe not Terry Collins (I don’t know) but Tim isn’t the answer.

That is indeed the entire point – the circumstances that are causing all these moves.

Though he can’t admit it publicly, many of us are upset not so much with Sandy Alderson because we recognize the purpose of his work at hand but with those who profess the moves are in terms of what is best for the team instead of the ownership. Based on personnel only, we should have been buyers over the past two winters and by that I mean acquiring more than just bargain basement players and reclamation projects. This did not mean having to either bankrupt the farm system or the teams finances.

The Mets are still a gold mine in profits and once their financial house is in somewhat better order, the Wilpons can again concentrate on making that money instead of needing it to pay off debt. That is Sandy’s vision; that is what he was hired for. That is clearly what is needed as evidenced in all those previously attached links. If we had new owners our fortunes on the field definitely would have been better. We would not to wait five or six years for a vision whose draft picks could do to us what Paul DePodesta’s already did for San Diego.

Didn’t I mention that Sandy was looking for prospects when it came to Beltran?

My point is looking at the way the season was going, the bleak financial reality, etc., that Beltran was going to be shipped no matter what. If we the top hitter on a team going nowhere, then fine – but the top hitter on a team that two thirds into the season was still in the thick of a…., oh, what the heck. We’re just going to go back and forth on that one.

But that is what I mean about being traded due to financial considerations much more than looking for prospects. Those were the circumstances Sandy had to deal with. Just like earlier this season when they could have been buyers (cash and not so hot prospects still do talk) and weren’t, last season they were sellers before spring training even began.

BTW – Carlos’ departure had nothing to do with any vision for if Zach Wheeler didn’t come along, he would have been traded even for a Joey D. and Mr. North Jersey as long as it meant saving a few bucks. BTW – don’t you think we would have made a great battery together – you pitching and always shaking off my signs?

Have a good one Joey D.

Only raised the name of Feliciano because it was just another indication of how moves are being made as cost-cutting measures and not those related to building up the team.

Rubber arm and all, Sandy was willing to sign Feliciano on for one year- the same offer he made to Takahashi Both were coming off good seasons. He did not want to commit to two year as other teams eventually did. but he had no problem committing to Carasco for two years, the one with a lifetime 4.50 ERA who pitched all of 22 innings the year before due to injury at a cost much less then either of the ones he let go.

With all else that has gone up under his stay, it only points out to cost cutting as deeply as possible wherever he could (as one of the articles I attached pointed out). Why he then spends $12 million on Francisco – when taken into account the financial reality of the team – defies all logic.

No, you were not alone. See my reply to Mr. North Jersey posted at 1:50 PM which again provides factual information that cannot be ignored in any discussion. As soon as he released Fellicano and Takahashi and replaced them with the less expensive, questionably healthy and/or lesser performing trio of Young, Carasco and Capuano one could see the handwriting on the wall.

When the general manager points out he hopes he can use the combined $5 million savings for player personnel instead of the owners pocketing it, I think that explains it all. Now if one mentions the Mets still had to pay Beltran $4 million that is also ignoring that they also wound up saving $2.5 million in what they otherwise would have had to pay. And of course, prospects were going to be part of any deal they were to cut.

Beltran was just part of the cost-cutting process. The evidence is so overwhelming in terms of not just what happened last July but with everything that has occurred nearly the past two years in terms of actions taken, statements made and financial disclosures. If further concrete evidence is required, attached is still another link, this time an interview made in February, 2011. Sandy was talking about a reduced payroll in terms of 2012, noting the reason why the Mets could go back to being spenders (“We’ve got lots of money coming off the books next year.”).

There is a lot more to it than Sandy mentioned in the interview. Note the actual state of the Wilpon economy in the article that comes after that (and even without the then civil suit hanging over their heads, the facts show how financially bad shape the Wilpons were in long before that February, 2011 interview). And then take into account Sandy’s words against the actions that have actually been taken.

You still think salary dumping had nothing to do with Beltran? Again, they didn’t spend $4 million more on anything, they wound up saving $2.5 million instead. And that $2.5 million is a paltry sum compared to their overall situation but it was indeed needed nevertheless.

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Like last year I felt he was buying time and did not want to add anymore payroll and instead was waiting for Beato,Ramirez, or anyone in that pen to show a pulse so he could avoid adding anyone.

2 years straight this underdog team fought but at the halfway point there Owners The Wilponzi’s and GM Alderson aka Fleece vest turned there backs and gave up on them.

So I ask….

WHY WOULD ANYONE PAY TO GO TO CITI FIELD????

Knew you wouldn’t pass up such an opportunity! But do you mean the KRod of last night or the one prior to that who had two saves, two holds and a win in five straight appearances? The one who saw his ERA go up by nearly a half a run by giving up four runs in 2/3 an inning last night or the one who had lowered his ERA from 6.57 to 3.59 over a period of two and a half months?

Guess that answers your question. With Takahashi and Issy – the two other quality relievers that Sandy did not to keep – along with KRod the Mets would have built up a better record before this schnyd and those three blown saves against Atlanta and Washington on the road could have gone instead in our favor and thus, Sandy would still be put in the corner about having to be a buyer.

No player, not even a rookie, is worth the money he is getting but since when talking in terms of the business of sports and the high revenue (different from the Bernie, mess, the real estate bust and suddenly not having the money to pay off loans) as I said, it is a matter of what the investment yields and it’s value to the team than a contract once already signed (not giving one a numb skull offer in the first place is another story, of course).

Now is your point that you agree that the Beltran trade was not for salary relief but that it is your opinion that had they not traded him for Wheeler they “MAY” have looked for salary relief based on what Alderson said?

If this is the case nothing further needs to be said.