Jul
17
2012

Harvey Won’t Debut On Saturday, No Chance Wheeler Is A Met In 2012

The verdict is in on Harvey…

Today in Washington, Sandy Alderson  announced that Miguel Batista will start Saturday’s game against the Dodgers and NOT Matt Harvey..

Last night for the Bisons, Harvey allowed two runs and three hits with four walks and four strikeouts in 6 2/3 innings against Triple-A Toledo in front of a group of Mets scouts and executives that included J.P. Ricciardi.

Also, disputing earlier comments by Terry Collins, Alderson said that there is “no scenario” in which Zack Wheeler will pitch in the Major Leagues this season, but that “Wheeler should be promoted to Triple-A Buffalo soon.”

Original Post 7/16

If Matt Harvey was nervous when he took the mound tonight against the Toledo Mudhens at Coca Cola Field in Buffalo, you sure couldn’t tell by his pitching performance.

In front of a sparse crowd that included a large contingent of Mets executives, Harvey was dazzling through the first five innings of his audition and allowed no-hits.

Toledo finally got to Harvey in the sixth when he was greeted by back to back singles to start the inning, with one of them coming around to score later in the frame on a groundout.

Here is a play-by-play of all the action:

Top of the 1st

  • Justin Henry flies out to center fielder Matt Den Dekker.
  • Matt Young flies out to left fielder Jason Bay.
  • Ben Guez grounds out, shortstop Josh Rodriguez to first baseman Adam Loewen.
Top of the 2nd

  • John Lindsey walks.
  • Rob Brantly strikes out swinging.
  • Audy Ciriaco grounds out, third baseman Zach Lutz to first baseman Adam Loewen. John Lindsey to 2nd.
  • Jamie Johnson flies out to right fielder Matt Tuiasosopo.

Top of the 3rd

  • Bryan Holaday grounds out, shortstop Josh Rodriguez to first baseman Adam Loewen.
  • Argenis Diaz grounds out, pitcher Matt Harvey to first baseman Adam Loewen.
  • Justin Henry grounds out, shortstop Josh Rodriguez to first baseman Adam Loewen.

Top of the 4th

  • Matt Young walks.
  • With Ben Guez batting, Matt Young steals (15) 2nd base.
  • With Ben Guez batting, wild pitch by Matt Harvey, Matt Young to 3rd.
  • Ben Guez walks.
  • John Lindsey strikes out swinging.
  • With Rob Brantly batting, Ben Guez caught stealing 2nd base, catcher Lucas May to shortstop Josh Rodriguez.
  • Rob Brantly strikes out swinging, catcher Lucas May to first baseman Adam Loewen.
Top of the 5th
  • Audy Ciriaco grounds out, shortstop Josh Rodriguez to first baseman Adam Loewen.
  • Jamie Johnson grounds out, second baseman Josh Satin to first baseman Adam Loewen.
  • Bryan Holaday flies out to right fielder Matt Tuiasosopo.
Top of the 6th
  • Argenis Diaz singles on a ground ball to left fielder Jason Bay.
  • Justin Henry singles on a ground ball to center fielder Matt Den Dekker. Argenis Diaz to 2nd.
  • Matt Young grounds out to first baseman Adam Loewen. Argenis Diaz to 3rd. Justin Henry to 2nd.
  • Ben Guez walks.
  • John Lindsey grounds out, second baseman Josh Satin to first baseman Adam Loewen. Argenis Diaz scores. Justin Henry to 3rd. Ben Guez to 2nd.
  • Rob Brantly strikes out swinging.
Top of the 7th
  • Audy Ciriaco grounds out, third baseman Zach Lutz to first baseman Adam Loewen.
  • Jamie Johnson singles on a line drive to left fielder Jason Bay.
  • Bryan Holaday hit by pitch. Jamie Johnson to 2nd.
  • Argenis Diaz grounds out, third baseman Zach Lutz to first baseman Adam Loewen. Jamie Johnson to 3rd. Bryan Holaday to 2nd.
  • Pitcher Change: Justin Hampson replaces Matt Harvey.

Harvey was removed in the seventh inning with two men on base and two outs. He was replaced by Justin Hampson who allowed a single that allowed one of the inherited runners to score and tie the game at 2-2.

Harvey will not figure into the decision and his final line was as follows:

6.2 IP – 2 ER – 3 H – 4 BB – 4 K 

Harvey tossed 100 pitches, 58 of them for strikes… Groundouts galore for Harvey…

According to manager Wally Backman, Harvey ditched his old changeup before the game and went with a new grip that he felt was more comfortable for him. He mixed it in with his plus-fastball and big-league curve.

This was by no means a slam-dunk for Harvey, but still a very solid effort.

I guess we’ll know in the next 24 hours whether it was good enough to convince the Mets if he’s ready for prime time.

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  • I’m not sure I’d call his performance dazzling. The aspect of his game the front office wants to see improved the most is control, and he clearly hasn’t mastered that yet considering the four walks and HBP. Not sure his start tonight will be enough to convince them to give him a shot on Sunday.

    • I didnt call his overall performance dazzling, only his first five innings.

      • But his control wasn’t very good in the first five innings, either.

  • I think the Mets were going to call up Harvey unless he got shelled tonight, so tonight’s line should be more than good enough. Batista was a temporary fix, but his recent performance led to different Mets brass increasingly warming up to the idea of Harvey. I’m happy for the kid.

    There’s always improvement to be made. There’s always development that can happen. But at the end of the day, you want the guys who could give you the best chance to win. Right now it’s Harvey over Batista.

  • The 4 walks and HBP were a little disturbing but if it Satin turns a fairly routine DP then he would’ve pitched 7 scoreless so overall it was a solid but not spectacular start. I think he did show some nerves though. He had much better command recently and tonight he seemed to revert back to his old form, probably nerves. I think he did enough to get the call up for Saturday’s start.

  • My opinion is Mets will probably call Harvey up. Outside of Harvey just imploding on the mound I think once they decided to go watch his outing tonight their minds were probably already made up.

    I am not going to read much into the walks tonight considering that he really hasn’t pitched in game situations for 12 days not counting the AAA All Star game appearance.

    Now to see what the Mets do since they don’t actually have to announce it till most likely a day before he is scheduled to make his next start I guess. That being this Saturday at home vs the Dodgers.

  • They really have no choice but to call up Harvey. Even if they don’t think he’s ready, they might even be under .500 by the time Saturday comes around…

  • Watched Harvey’s performance tonight. His command was a bit erratic. As suspected by many, he didn’t get shelled and he didn’t dominate.

    Some of those fastballs looked very hittable for ML hitters.

    I’m not sure what this outing might have told the FO that they already didn’t know.

    Oh, and still watching. I know one thing for sure: Mejia in the BP is no where near ready for a call up.

    • I’ve watched a minimum of 8 of Harvey’s starts and tonight was pretty much a typical Harvey perfomance. He had looked sharper with his command recently. Tonight he pitched like he had earlier in the year but he managed to get it together enough to keep them off the board. That’s if Satin turns that DP which he should’ve.

      • Well, that’s 7 more Harvey starts than I’ve seen so I’ll take your word for it.

  • wait untilord sandra calls his serf jessup then the clown prince of aldersonville will announce th verdict and pretend that its his own!

  • It’s like Mike Pelfrey all over again. Why bring him up? Let him develop this new off-speed grip or whatever he is tinkering with and get his control figured out. I say leave Harvey in Buffalo and let him develop. Harvey is no Dwight Gooden. What’s the rush? We are a .500 team with Harvey or without Harvey.
    I’d rather see Familla then Harvey if we are set on bringing up a prospect up to replace Gee We’re being played again! “Let’s bring up the sexy pitching stud so they {fans} won’t notice as much of the let down as we slowly and painfully drop out f contention.”
    How about getting us a power right handed bat?
    How about getting us a closer? Or at least one solid go-too bullpen arm?
    Matt Harvey needs to be left alone to work out these control issues at Buffalo.
    Fellow Met fans! I beg of you Do NOT be distracted by the shiny object being dangled in front of you by the evil men!

  • Pretty well pitched game not overly dominate

  • His lack of command will not translate well in the majors. No way should he be promoted.

  • 1) Wasn’t in love with his control (4 walks after 5.1 IP was a big drawback). Fell behind a lot of hitters.
    2) Needs to get ahead in the count with hitters.
    3) Needs improvement with location w/ secondary stuff. If he does that in the big leagues, the results won’t be pretty.

    I liked how the kid seemed to bear down with runners on, gave up a ton of groundballs and had a no-hitter going through 5, but ultimately, I think he needs more time in AAA. You can call it nerves all you want, but I saw something else. The Mets may call him up anyway, so if they do, good luck kid. You’ll really need it.

  • I would be most interested in what the scouts watching him had to say about his stuff, his mechanics and his command. As we can see from just the small sample of responses here, there is a divide despite what appeared to be a very good performance statistical wise.

    It was interesting to note that Harvey went with a new grip tonight and ditched his change up. It might have yielded good results but also shows he is still in the learning stage due to experimenting with something new. If that is the case, it might be best to wait a bit more with his call up so Backman and crew – who know more about his mechanics at this point than anyone else – can continue giving him that specialized type of attention he could not get in the majors from others a bit less familiar with him.

    A few weeks more won’t matter for in the case of Harvey, the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many (as Mr. Spock might say).

  • he is almost certainly coming up very soon, maybe tomorrow, and will be good. in general teams are way too hesitant to call up young players. if young guy is playing well in triple A, he will likely play well in the bigs.

    • Hi Martin,

      While this might not ever apply to Harvey, we’ve seen too many a young guy playing well in triple A never cut it in the majors. Less than nine percent of all minor league players make it to the big show at all and a lot of those are ones who performed well in triple A.

      This only means that no matter how promising or talented a prospect is, that is not a guarantee of success. Just last season Brad Emaus, with a .289 hitter for his three years at triple-A, was thought highly enough by the front office that they selected him as a rule five draft pick and was handed the job at second base. Prior to the Mets, he was not called up by Toronto despite hitting well at triple-A.

      • Minor league batting statistics will predict major league stats withe almost the same reliability as major league stats.

  • “This was by no means a slam-dunk for Harvey, but still a very solid effort.” — Joe D.

    My thoughts precisely. Also, despite the mostly pros and fewer cons in the game, one game does not make a season. If Matt keeps this up over 3-5 games, it gets closer to a slam dunk.

  • After watching Harvey last night, I came to the conclusion that if the Mets slip to or under .500 before his next scheduled start that he will be called up.

    • Tell us one more time JESSUP, about the good bullpen your lord gave us!!!!!! I trhink you are the last one, well second to last, behind Sandra to tell us about pitchers.

  • I am leery of this “try something new” in what could amount to a few days before Citi premier. Other than giving Nitkowski a shot vis a vis Sheets what are the alternatives? Familia is not even indirectly referred to as a possibility. I’m on the fence leaning towards let him experience the next level. I agree this is no Doc Gooden but does such a person really exist. We need to see Harvey and our bats need to be the Wallbangers.

    LGM!

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  • That was the first time I have seen Harvey pitch and wasn’t overly impressed. One of the things I noticed that will be a cause for concern at the big league level was that his fastball was flat, had zero movement, and he was leaving it up in the zone. While a 95mph fastball will overpower minor league hitters, at the big league level they will tee off on that. If he can keep the fastball down in the zone and change speeds he will be successful, but there were some pitches that he threw last night that would have been rocked had it had been major leaguers in the batters box.

  • Anyone else but Batista. How about 9 guys for an inning a piece. It we are tied: forfeit.

    • I am no Batista fan but do you know his ERA as a starter? 4.00 this year, 2.42 last year. You can do much worse as a fill in guy.

  • I read his comments as, Harvey is not starting his career at Citifield. Maybe his next scheduled start away. Wheeler will take someones spot in AAA.(Harvey) when they come up.

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