Your the one who keeps on posting without ADDING anything to the argument…I have added on most of my replys.

I’m the one who has multiple sources of how the Oakland A’s were organized and operated…
All you have is a sludeshow of trades announced by Sandy with nary a shrivel of proof that he is the one who decided who to get!

YOU LOSE!

You either have to offer a very short contract at massive dollars in lieu of years so the player will be enticed to sign a deal because he can still get a good retirement contract before he is 35….
Or years become the stumbling block and you either need to make a long term 7-8 year deal for what e is worth performance wise now despite the fact you probably won’t see that performance after age 36!

So it’s either of those two or Let Wright sign elsewhere…
Which one would you prefer to have to do for the luxury of waiting?

You see the year number with Wright is going to be as important as it was with Reyes!

You want LESS and Wright (and reyes) wanted more! Wright will want to sign a contract that seals his career as a Met so none of the 5/90 year deals everyone proposed in the other thread are going to cut it!

He’s not going to want to be a free agent when he is 35 or 36. Which means you have two options here…
Get him to sign a short 3 or 4 year deal (NOW Including that option year) for decent money and then he can go FA at 33 or 34 and get one final big payday that will take him to the end of his career….

OR

You take the option and then have to give him a contract that will be his last for MAJOR bucks and 7 or 8 years and take the risk he doesn’t become not worth it along the way….

So it’s better to start a year earlier get him in a position where you get 3 or 4 years locked up and he can always get another big Paycheck at age 34 that will be his retirement plan….
he might do that but he’s not going to sign a 5 year deal and have to beg for a team to pay him when he is 35 or 36!

walk year: season ends, player becomes FA and takes offers.

2 years left: season ends, and player/team can discuss an extension, but player is coming back the next year anyway.

is that clear enough?

He would have taken less than 106 MIl in 2010 but we told him we were not sure we wanted him by our lack of willingness to negotiate!

And we did pretty much the same thing to Wright this offseason when he was telling anyone who would listen how much he wanted to remain with the Mets and retire as one!

SO whats to stop him from saying well if it’s all about the money to them why not go for the money too?
These are Humans not baseball cards as many fans and FOs treat them!
And I find it quite Hypocritical to dismiss a front office for playing the business/money card but have fans complain when the Player plays the same game back at them!

Is it that you think Sandy has Two chances to pass left as opposed to the one he had with Reyes?

Here is the thing I think some may be missing here…
Wright doesn’t want to NEGOTIATE!

But if offered a deal that he feels is fair and worth signing then no negotiation would actually be needed!
A deal that says “We REALLY want you here and here is the terms we can afford to show that!”

If whatever they offer is not enough to do that, at least it is the basis of negotations later on when all sides ARE willing to negotiate!

and like I have said before, that is why a deal early on should be more team friendly, because if they did one say 7/1, the Mets now assume all the risk for the next 1.5 years. Wright could blow out a body part and never amount to much again, and the mets would still be stuck. Kind of like the phils, who are in the first year of Howards big extension.

you want an analogy? It would have been like signing Bay to a big extension (kind of like what the mets did!) in 2008, when he was still with Pittsburgh, that would start after his 1.5 years with boston. And that was a lot of time to absorb risk for.

so you really can’t compare to reyes in 2011. Go back and see if there was a big hue and cry in early 2010 that they weren’t getting a deal done right then, with 1 2/3 seasons left on his current deal.

Besides, all Wright is really doing is trying to avoid talking about this every day (taking a preemptive strike). Almost guaranteed that the FO and his agent continue to talk behind the scenes, just with the intent of keeping it off the radar.

Players don’t actually have anything to do with the discussions anyway. the agent and GM work out all the details, and at most the player just has to give a yes or no. Not exactly a distraction, or taking there time. Assuming, of course, that it all isn’t played out in the press.

I just don’t believe that if Sandy calls his agent, the agent hangs up on him. Or if Sandy says we would prefer to do this now, and want to make a strong offer, that the agent would not listen to it. And if it looked like the right one, he would discuss with Wright, regardless of what he said to get the press off his back.

This will be what all the folks looking for a reason to let him go poiint to not the fact that the FO refused to lock up Wright when he was going to be cheaper due to a less than stellar season!

He’s going good and doesn’t want to be distracted, He is in the race for a Batting title and having what could be his career year!

He’s focused at the plate and the last thing he would want right now is to have his focus shifted elsewhere!

But I STILL get the sense that this will eventually be used to slam Wright should a deal fall through in the future.

Sure Sandy has another year and a half to get a deal done, but I have to ask anyone who can tell me, What is to be gained by waiting and not extending him this offseason?

Will waiting make the price go down?
Will delaying stop Wright from convincing some other team to offer a stupid amount of money?
Will Waiting inspire Wright to believe this team really DOES THINK he is the face of this franchise and should be here for the long term?

There was nothing to be gained by waiting!
Only if you were unsure of how good Wright is does waiting make ANY sense!
And the only way Waiting works out is if Wright sucks during the wait meaning you get him cheaper but if that happens do you really want him still at ANY price?

The team has much more leverage now than they will this upcoming offseason!
Wright will be more inclined to test FA waters when there is only one more year left on his contract. So we lost an opportunity to resign Wright in a year that was down and lock him up long term at a cheap price!

And waiting has achieved nothing but make the price go up!

Which is why the phrase “Why put off tommorrow what you can do today?” is a smart way to operate!

It’s ok to be greedy and refuse to negotiate if you wear a suit but if you wear a Baseball Uni your just an AWFUL GREEDY HORRIBLE individual for doing the same thing back!

Funny thing is that seems to be the case mostly with Met Fans…All the Fans got behind Jeter when Cashman played hardball with him and thats despite the fact Cashman at least MADE an offer for Jeter to refuse!

What is the benefit of waiting here?
I would love to hear them!

They Wanted the team, But the team then went and made statements and/or took a stance that they were not so sure the team wanted them.

When you show a team such loyalty only to have that loyalty ignored and un-returned, the player starts to feel well they don’t want me REALLY so why not go get the most money I can?

If a Woman says to a man I want to be yours for life and the Guy says well let me see how things go over the next year…. what is the woman most likely to feel about that guy from that day forward?

Jilted Lover right?
Well thats pretty much what Sandy has said first to Reyes then to Wright!
Well people naturally make decisions based on the facts they know, Knowing that the relationship could be done by the end of the year starts the head thinking and finding things to get excited about to put the dissapointment out of the mind. And in Reyes’ case he started thinking and getting excited about being the center of attention of the league and wooed by teams that REALLY showed him how much he WAS WANTED!

But if Sandy had said well I want you but this is what I can pay if we make a deal now,have a good year and we might be able to up that offer, It at least shows the respect of making an offer (showing he does want them) even if it isn’t enough to get it done! Then those gears don’t start turning about leaving just about doing better to get them to up the offer. Maybe he doesn’t take a stance to refuse negotiations during the season as well!

All Sandy had to do was make an offer that was at least enough to not be insulting. Didn’t have to be enough of an offer to get the deal done, just enough to show Yes we DO want you!

Then there would be something worth talking about the rest of the season in regards to FINALIZING a deal once the team wanting him was established!

WHich is why I keep saying if Sandy had made an offer (ANY offer that wasn’t just an insult) to reyes in 2010 or when we had exclusive rights to deal, the situation may have been much different!

There would have been a baseline to negotiate from and since Reyes would not know who was going to offer what he might have taken a lesser deal to stay! It probably would have been for similar numbers maybe fewer years…
We will never know because Sandy’s actions from 2010 on said to Reyes “I don’t REALLY want you!” SO he went where someone DID want him!

And Wright will too until Sandy can convince him that he really wants Wright for the long term.

I note that a;ll the figures posted in the other thread about what Wright should get will NOT be enough to get the job done, especially since he hit near .400 for the first two months of this season!

This is going down the same way to a tee. Wright will have his option picked up just like Reyes did and then get a kick in the ass after that season. It didnt matter to other teams that Tulo, Zimmerman, Braun, etc. had option years left when they signed their longterm deals. But this front office is as dehumanizing as it is impersonal and they look at players as inventory not humans.

FROM THE DAY WRIGHT & REYES INKED THEIR UNEQUAL CONTRACTS THE PRESS CHOSE TO IGNORE THE Additional yrs covered with wright & focused more on the $$$ inequity THE PRESS HAS BUT ONE FUNCTION REGARDING NY FANS OF NL BASEBALL SEW UNHAPPINESS & NEGATIVITY MAKING THE DAWN APPEAR DOOMFILLED IS THEIR SPECIALTY, NO WONDER IT’S A DYING MEDIA WITH FEW PALLBEARERS MOURNING IT. HARPER, MADDEN, PUMA, VACCARO ARE THE CORPSES SHARING THE SINGLE COFFIN OF INEQUITY.