Wright Takes Page Out Of Reyes Playbook, Says Wont Negotiate During Season

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• Even Flow June 1, 2012 at 8:55 pm

  Here we go again! Fasten your seatbelts, folks.
  • METS62FAN June 2, 2012 at 10:01 am

    WRONG! UNLIKE REYES THE ACTUAL TIMECLOCK ON HIS FINAL NYM SEASON HAS NOT OFFICIALLY BEGUN TICKING AS WRIGHT IS UNDER TEAM CONTROL FOR AT LEAT 1 YR LONGER THAN WHEN THESE CONDITIONS APPEARED VIS-A-VIS REYES! GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK, IF HE DOESN’T MAKE THT STATEMENT EVERY SPORTS HACK FROM FLUSHING TO DUBUQUE ASKS HIM ABOUT IT REPEATEDLY AD NAUSEUM.

    FROM THE DAY WRIGHT & REYES INKED THEIR UNEQUAL CONTRACTS THE PRESS CHOSE TO IGNORE THE Additional yrs covered with wright & focused more on the $$$ inequity THE PRESS HAS BUT ONE FUNCTION REGARDING NY FANS OF NL BASEBALL SEW UNHAPPINESS & NEGATIVITY MAKING THE DAWN APPEAR DOOMFILLED IS THEIR SPECIALTY, NO WONDER IT’S A DYING MEDIA WITH FEW PALLBEARERS MOURNING IT. HARPER, MADDEN, PUMA, VACCARO ARE THE CORPSES SHARING THE SINGLE COFFIN OF INEQUITY.
    • Metsie June 2, 2012 at 11:16 am

      As usual 62 you note probably the biggest reason and most likely cause for Wright announcing his intention not to negotiate.

      He’s going good and doesn’t want to be distracted, He is in the race for a Batting title and having what could be his career year!

      He’s focused at the plate and the last thing he would want right now is to have his focus shifted elsewhere!

      But I STILL get the sense that this will eventually be used to slam Wright should a deal fall through in the future.

      Sure Sandy has another year and a half to get a deal done, but I have to ask anyone who can tell me, What is to be gained by waiting and not extending him this offseason?

      Will waiting make the price go down?
      Will delaying stop Wright from convincing some other team to offer a stupid amount of money?
      Will Waiting inspire Wright to believe this team really DOES THINK he is the face of this franchise and should be here for the long term?

      There was nothing to be gained by waiting!
      Only if you were unsure of how good Wright is does waiting make ANY sense!
      And the only way Waiting works out is if Wright sucks during the wait meaning you get him cheaper but if that happens do you really want him still at ANY price?

      The team has much more leverage now than they will this upcoming offseason!
      Wright will be more inclined to test FA waters when there is only one more year left on his contract. So we lost an opportunity to resign Wright in a year that was down and lock him up long term at a cheap price!

      And waiting has achieved nothing but make the price go up!

      Which is why the phrase “Why put off tommorrow what you can do today?” is a smart way to operate!
    • Luis Ramirez June 2, 2012 at 11:17 am

      Right On! Let’s play ball, already. Geez.
• Mr North Jersey June 1, 2012 at 9:01 pm

  I am OK with this. Just as I said could happen when the reports came out that Alderson would reach out to talk to Wright’s agents. Wright now squashes this and we’ll see what if anything happens after the season.
• Just Some Internet Guy You Dont Know June 1, 2012 at 9:33 pm

  If the Mets don’t come strong then Wright will be gone. It’s that simple. Same as Reyes.
  They had their chances to get him at a lower cost and now it will probably cost more, especially off the season he’s having. Guess it’s more wait and see and anticipation.
  • Metsie June 1, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    I said it before but it’s worth repeating…
    What can possibly be gained by waiting?

    The only way the price goes down is if he sucks and then they don’t want to sign him anyway…
    And if he does well the price will only go up!

    So I just don’t get why these guys would think they have plenty of time…Plenty of time before he goes Free Agent but his price isn’t dependent on when he signs but what he does up until he signs!
• Metsie June 1, 2012 at 9:46 pm

  LOL 72 The Box of Chocolates at the end had me rolling on the floor!
• jdon June 2, 2012 at 6:15 am

  I think they have an option. So he isnt going anywhere after this year unless they trade him.
• USMF June 2, 2012 at 7:27 am

  I hate all this Reyes v Wright comparisons that go on nonstop…but for all those who bashed Reyes for not wanting to talk contract during season and held Wright up because he’s the golden boy and better than Reyes in every way…what do you have to say about this move?
  • srt June 2, 2012 at 8:18 am

    I don’t know why the comparison to start with. Reyes was a FA at the end of the 2011 season. Wright will not be a FA at the end of the 2012 season. Apples and oranges.

    I’m not sure how much Reyes bashing was done when he made that statement. I do know when it got to Sep and he started telling the media how much he was looking forward to FA, how excited he was since it was his first time – that fans started pointing back to that statement made about no negotiations during the season to back up that was his mindset all along.
    Reyes did nothing more than Pujols did at the start of last season and nothing more than hundreds of FA stars before him have done.
    • K Maxx June 2, 2012 at 9:45 am

      You dont know why the comparison between Wright and Reyes? Are you serious?

      The two have been synonymous for almost ten years and you don’t get the comparison?

      I dont get you.
      • srt June 2, 2012 at 9:48 am

        I thought I made it very clear. One was going to be a FA at the end of the season, one is not.
        Two different situations.
        • K Maxx June 2, 2012 at 9:56 am

          So what? You cant see the similarities that have already taken place? I still dont get what you’re not seeing. We all know Wright has an option. This post is about the similarities thus far about the lead-up surrounding a new contract. How can you not see those similarities so far? You’re acting as though the last 48 hours havent happened.
          • srt June 2, 2012 at 10:32 am

            We obviously have a difference of opinion a bit on this. Let’s just agree to disagree.
            I’m not interested in making this a 500+ post where we all go back and forth trying to convince each our own opinions are the right ones. Can’t happen anyway as it’s just that – opinions.
        • Metsie June 2, 2012 at 10:54 am

          SRT I have to ask…How much money do you expect to save on the deal by waiting?
          Or do you agree the price will only go UP not down?

          What is the benefit of waiting here?
          I would love to hear them!
          • Stick June 2, 2012 at 12:18 pm

            you don’t necessarily save money by waiting, assuming of course the player keeps performing on a high level. But if for some reason he tails way off (just performance, or age/injury) then yes, you would save money (or potentially not sign the guy at all).

            and like I have said before, that is why a deal early on should be more team friendly, because if they did one say 7/1, the Mets now assume all the risk for the next 1.5 years. Wright could blow out a body part and never amount to much again, and the mets would still be stuck. Kind of like the phils, who are in the first year of Howards big extension.

            you want an analogy? It would have been like signing Bay to a big extension (kind of like what the mets did!) in 2008, when he was still with Pittsburgh, that would start after his 1.5 years with boston. And that was a lot of time to absorb risk for.
            • Metsie June 2, 2012 at 12:32 pm

              So basically by waiting your saying to the player, We are not convinced we really want you!
              And when he decides to see who DOES in FA it’s his fault for doing so not the fact you showed a guy who has been nothing but loyal to you that you really weren’t sure you wanted him?
              Cause really thats much more the reason why Reyes went FA to test the market than any of the claimed MONEY reasons given!

              He would have taken less than 106 MIl in 2010 but we told him we were not sure we wanted him by our lack of willingness to negotiate!

              And we did pretty much the same thing to Wright this offseason when he was telling anyone who would listen how much he wanted to remain with the Mets and retire as one!

              SO whats to stop him from saying well if it’s all about the money to them why not go for the money too?
              These are Humans not baseball cards as many fans and FOs treat them!
              And I find it quite Hypocritical to dismiss a front office for playing the business/money card but have fans complain when the Player plays the same game back at them!
              • Stick June 2, 2012 at 3:56 pm

                well, what is the cut off? when are they supposed to start talking new contract? 1 year left? 2 years left? 2 weeks after signing the last deal?
                • Metsie June 2, 2012 at 4:17 pm

                  A Year (the offseason) before the Option (or free Agency) kicks in…This way you can possibly reduce the Per Year number of the Option year and present a 4 year deal as a 5 year deal when announced!

                  You see the year number with Wright is going to be as important as it was with Reyes!

                  You want LESS and Wright (and reyes) wanted more! Wright will want to sign a contract that seals his career as a Met so none of the 5/90 year deals everyone proposed in the other thread are going to cut it!

                  He’s not going to want to be a free agent when he is 35 or 36. Which means you have two options here…
                  Get him to sign a short 3 or 4 year deal (NOW Including that option year) for decent money and then he can go FA at 33 or 34 and get one final big payday that will take him to the end of his career….

                  OR

                  You take the option and then have to give him a contract that will be his last for MAJOR bucks and 7 or 8 years and take the risk he doesn’t become not worth it along the way….

                  So it’s better to start a year earlier get him in a position where you get 3 or 4 years locked up and he can always get another big Paycheck at age 34 that will be his retirement plan….
                  he might do that but he’s not going to sign a 5 year deal and have to beg for a team to pay him when he is 35 or 36!
    • Metsie June 2, 2012 at 10:52 am

      What is similar about the facts so far is we have TWO players who before they were to become Free Agents said LOUDLY they wanted to remain Mets.

      They Wanted the team, But the team then went and made statements and/or took a stance that they were not so sure the team wanted them.

      When you show a team such loyalty only to have that loyalty ignored and un-returned, the player starts to feel well they don’t want me REALLY so why not go get the most money I can?

      If a Woman says to a man I want to be yours for life and the Guy says well let me see how things go over the next year…. what is the woman most likely to feel about that guy from that day forward?

      Jilted Lover right?
      Well thats pretty much what Sandy has said first to Reyes then to Wright!
      Well people naturally make decisions based on the facts they know, Knowing that the relationship could be done by the end of the year starts the head thinking and finding things to get excited about to put the dissapointment out of the mind. And in Reyes’ case he started thinking and getting excited about being the center of attention of the league and wooed by teams that REALLY showed him how much he WAS WANTED!

      But if Sandy had said well I want you but this is what I can pay if we make a deal now,have a good year and we might be able to up that offer, It at least shows the respect of making an offer (showing he does want them) even if it isn’t enough to get it done! Then those gears don’t start turning about leaving just about doing better to get them to up the offer. Maybe he doesn’t take a stance to refuse negotiations during the season as well!

      All Sandy had to do was make an offer that was at least enough to not be insulting. Didn’t have to be enough of an offer to get the deal done, just enough to show Yes we DO want you!

      Then there would be something worth talking about the rest of the season in regards to FINALIZING a deal once the team wanting him was established!

      WHich is why I keep saying if Sandy had made an offer (ANY offer that wasn’t just an insult) to reyes in 2010 or when we had exclusive rights to deal, the situation may have been much different!

      There would have been a baseline to negotiate from and since Reyes would not know who was going to offer what he might have taken a lesser deal to stay! It probably would have been for similar numbers maybe fewer years…
      We will never know because Sandy’s actions from 2010 on said to Reyes “I don’t REALLY want you!” SO he went where someone DID want him!

      And Wright will too until Sandy can convince him that he really wants Wright for the long term.

      I note that a;ll the figures posted in the other thread about what Wright should get will NOT be enough to get the job done, especially since he hit near .400 for the first two months of this season!
  • Mets2012 June 2, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Good point.
  • Metsie June 2, 2012 at 10:59 am

    What I love most about the duality of the folks who claim one thing with Reyes and another with regards to Wright is the fact that they Dismiss and APPLAUD Sandy for being all about Business and Money, yet when a player does that they are castigated as some greedy little Monster!

    It’s ok to be greedy and refuse to negotiate if you wear a suit but if you wear a Baseball Uni your just an AWFUL GREEDY HORRIBLE individual for doing the same thing back!

    Funny thing is that seems to be the case mostly with Met Fans…All the Fans got behind Jeter when Cashman played hardball with him and thats despite the fact Cashman at least MADE an offer for Jeter to refuse!
• steve June 2, 2012 at 8:08 am

  There is alot of good things going on with this organization. This is something that would add to the excitement. Sign him Fred
• jerseymet June 2, 2012 at 9:41 am

  First, David is wise to head off the endless questions and speculation by moving the discussion to the off season. He just wants to play ball!

  Second, the Mets are going to pick up his option for 2013.

  Third, time is on the Met’s side. Can you say over thirty? Can you say Wilmer Flores?

  Fourth, does David move to Left Field or First Base? Only the Wilpon’s know.
• LA Mets Fan June 2, 2012 at 10:28 am

  I feel sorry for Wright who will eventually become vilified the same way Reyes was and he preferred not to deal during the baseball season. I can already see the haters ready to say the Mets tried to make him and offer but his heart was set on becoming a free agent and re rebuffed them.

  This is going down the same way to a tee. Wright will have his option picked up just like Reyes did and then get a kick in the ass after that season. It didnt matter to other teams that Tulo, Zimmerman, Braun, etc. had option years left when they signed their longterm deals. But this front office is as dehumanizing as it is impersonal and they look at players as inventory not humans.
  • Metsie June 2, 2012 at 11:20 am

    So True LA! So True….

    This will be what all the folks looking for a reason to let him go poiint to not the fact that the FO refused to lock up Wright when he was going to be cheaper due to a less than stellar season!
• Stick June 2, 2012 at 12:11 pm

  there is, like it or not, a big difference between not wanting to talk contract 2 years before FA (but clearly saying they would like to resolve the issue in the off season) and not wanting to do it in your walk year, and saying I am going to play out my contract and test the FA waters.

  so you really can’t compare to reyes in 2011. Go back and see if there was a big hue and cry in early 2010 that they weren’t getting a deal done right then, with 1 2/3 seasons left on his current deal.

  Besides, all Wright is really doing is trying to avoid talking about this every day (taking a preemptive strike). Almost guaranteed that the FO and his agent continue to talk behind the scenes, just with the intent of keeping it off the radar.

  Players don’t actually have anything to do with the discussions anyway. the agent and GM work out all the details, and at most the player just has to give a yes or no. Not exactly a distraction, or taking there time. Assuming, of course, that it all isn’t played out in the press.

  I just don’t believe that if Sandy calls his agent, the agent hangs up on him. Or if Sandy says we would prefer to do this now, and want to make a strong offer, that the agent would not listen to it. And if it looked like the right one, he would discuss with Wright, regardless of what he said to get the press off his back.
  • Metsie June 2, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    So whats different about it? You don’t really say?
    What other than that extra 2/3rds of a year is really different?

    Is it that you think Sandy has Two chances to pass left as opposed to the one he had with Reyes?

    Here is the thing I think some may be missing here…
    Wright doesn’t want to NEGOTIATE!

    But if offered a deal that he feels is fair and worth signing then no negotiation would actually be needed!
    A deal that says “We REALLY want you here and here is the terms we can afford to show that!”

    If whatever they offer is not enough to do that, at least it is the basis of negotations later on when all sides ARE willing to negotiate!
    • Stick June 2, 2012 at 3:59 pm

      the difference has been said over and over. Time under contract. And having an off season to deal with contract issues.

      walk year: season ends, player becomes FA and takes offers.

      2 years left: season ends, and player/team can discuss an extension, but player is coming back the next year anyway.

      is that clear enough?
      • Metsie June 2, 2012 at 4:22 pm

        And do you understand what that difference means as far as what offer needs to be made to keep him at all?

        You either have to offer a very short contract at massive dollars in lieu of years so the player will be enticed to sign a deal because he can still get a good retirement contract before he is 35….
        Or years become the stumbling block and you either need to make a long term 7-8 year deal for what e is worth performance wise now despite the fact you probably won’t see that performance after age 36!

        So it’s either of those two or Let Wright sign elsewhere…
        Which one would you prefer to have to do for the luxury of waiting?
• Fonzie13 June 2, 2012 at 4:26 pm

  Well whatya know another thread about to be blown up by Fraudsie, I mean Nutsie. Sorry I meant Metsie.
  • Metsie June 2, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Your the one who keeps saying he has posted NON-Facts as fact…
    Not me!

    Your the one who keeps on posting without ADDING anything to the argument…I have added on most of my replys.

    I’m the one who has multiple sources of how the Oakland A’s were organized and operated…
    All you have is a sludeshow of trades announced by Sandy with nary a shrivel of proof that he is the one who decided who to get!

    YOU LOSE!