Did Torres hit .295 last year? NO! So there goes that theory regarding Pagan’s performance from last year when he was hurt. Compare what Torres did last year to Pagan…Oh why not is is because he loses even worse then too?
As for your iccessant use of modifiers…How does Torres PLUS Kirk compare to Pagan 2012 PLUS Kirk?

Or why not do what most everyone else would do get rid of the modifier who is commong to both and do a straight up 1 to 1 comparison?

Is it because the only way Torres looks as good as Pagan is when you attribute Kirk’s numbers to him?

We’ve gotten more runs scored, HR’s, RBI’s and better overall run production from Kirk and Torres combined with much better defense and much less mental lapses than Pagan has given SF this year. We haven’t missed Angel at all this year with what we’ve got from our guys, So I don’t see what the problem is. We’re better off without Angel. Addition by subtraction.

OOOOPS!

Funny how it doesn’t seem to be a problem for StLouis and Colorado who is ACTUALLY #3 and #4

Hi Fonzie,

While I wouldn’t use some of those adjectives to describe them, yes, there is such a bandwagon of those with such blind faith in saber stats along with money ball that it does not allow them to seperate myth from reality – the same reasons why the Brad Pitt film did not deserve a best picture nomination.

Now, not to say those saber stats do not reveal some real interesting figures – but the tendancies about a player brought out by AIR, Rbaser, etc are not things an astutue baseball person wouldn’t know already so they don’t reveal anything new except in terms of carrying out a percentage to the infinite decimal point And things like BAbip, RAA, BREP, WAA are probably the most useless pieces of information around except for those who are into calculative study and fantasy leagues.

Also, as we both agree, stats are just profiles and do not reveal the true merit of the player’s worth. Reminds of a cartoon that appeared in a magazine (New Yorker?) decades ago. The catcher goes to the mound to speak to the pitcher saying “I don’t know much about this guy, let’s see what his bubblegum card says”.

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I personally believe it is an accurate enough assessment because I sensed the Wilpons were in bad financial shape once Omar stopped going after big money players, the last being Bay, and starting going after the Mike Jacobs, Gary Matthews, Jr., Rod Baharas types instead.

While I agree with that 100% that Omars checkbook was taken away from him that was when they had a billion dollar lawsuit hanging over them and that article was before the case was settled out of court and that was settled at 162 million with which they are entitled to clawback money which brings it down to 29 million and some reports have the Mets coming out on top 16 million richer.

And I also don’t think any of those moves were based on undervalued players acquired in 2011 because none of those players had any hidden market inefficiencies like your buddies tried to pull over you. They are they extreme other side of the fence that gets your side of the fence against the front office. I believe they are called sabergoons. I call them sabergeeks. They were quick roster fillers to fill about 13 holes with about 9 million. Good luck finding market ineffeciencies with that. I just hope that the lawsuit in the rear view mirror changes the outlook somewhat. We’ll know more this winter.

I personally believe it is an accurate enough assessment because I sensed the Wilpons were in bad financial shape once Omar stopped going after big money players, the last being Bay, and starting going after the Mike Jacobs, Gary Matthews, Jr., Rod Baharas types instead.

Putting aside the valid question of the wisdom of his prior multi-year signings, it was an abrupt departure from a behavior pattern that existed for half a decade and began to stop after the Madoff scandal surfaced and revenue fell way short of expectations in 2009.

That is why I contend the player moves made the past two seasons have little to do with fielding the best team possible or rebuilding for the future as it is fielding a team as least expensively as possible. And, believe it or not, I do not at all blame this on Sandy for his is only continuing to do what Omar did his last season as G.M. (the aforementioned Jacobs, Matthews, etc.). My point of contention was with others who saw the new front office ushering in new long-term baseball philosophy which included “rebuilding”, obtaining undervalued players that other teams overlooked by heavy dependence upon saber metrics and a new economic philosophy of less commitment to lengthy multi-year and expensive contracts.

As you can see from the article, there were reasons why I felt that way.

Hey, thanks again for the advice you gave me in the shout box this afternoon.

Joe

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2011/12/11/2627933/an-in-depth-look-at-the-mets-finances

Just let it go all you have are assumptions and suppositions with a sprinkling of misquotes!

But anything that gets Torres out of there and allows us to replace Bay is perfectly fine with me….

As for what the intention is with CarGo…Well things change, especially the GM of a team that is a complete disaapointment.

All of the crap you guys keep mentioning as reasons happened when Omar Minaya was the GM not Sandy!

But you will keep pressing that issue as if it holds any weight….

If anything, how about going after Dexter Fowler and move Kirk to RF to round out the OF? Legit leadoff guy and a very good CF who looks like he’s turned the corner.

CF Fowler
SS Tejada
3B Wright
1B Davis
LF Quentin
RF Nieuwenhuis
2B Murphy/Valdespin (should Murph be traded)
C Shoppach