Maybe he has great game against Price tonight but anyway why does a player who has struggles.d so much at the plate not go to AAA to get some at bats instead of killing team with his rehab at bats, who’s choice is this, player or team. If player then he is being selfish and Mets allowed this to happen, why????????

He got those fences in his head and it messed up his swing so badly that he can’t recover now that the fence issue went away!

And a lot of it has to do with him swinging for the new fences I think…
He has 7 hits at home, 1 double 1 HR in 36 PA
He has 37 PA away, 5 Hits 1 Double two HRs…
Tells me he is just swinging for the fences and missing more often than not!

But in general, rebuilding teams are going to be on the yong side.

and yes, you have to go get parts to fill gaps. I was not talking about signing bench guys, middle relief, or a platoon starter. Those are normal things that every team has to do 9some to a greater extent).

i was talking about the big $$/LT contracts, the ones that if they go wrong can really screw a team that lives with a budget. Those are the ones that really should come when there is a foundation already in place to build on.

and the key (the run of the mill part) is not dishing out a contract like that, to a guy that is really not a high-end difference maker (like Bay).

I’m sure there are others, but Jason Bay sadly is joining a fraternity of Mets that nobody wishes to join.

I wish it worked out different for him, but I don’t think he’ll ever be the same hitter in NY that he ever was in PIT or BOS.

The worst part is I have little to no doubt that we will see some forms of success for Bay in the future, but they won’t be in a Mets uniform.

Bayonne is correct you need to have Veterans on the team to lead the kids when times get tough, Someone they can turn to and talk to without the risk of saying something to your boss that you may not want to tell him is a problem for you!

If Wright goes down for some dumb reason who is the veteran leadership that will lead this team in his absence?
The Role playing Hairston?
The light Hitting Torres?
The BAD Hitting Jason Bay?

Who is that everyday go to guy they can lean on and get mentored by should god forbid Wright be lost for the rest of the season?

We have no one! They HAD Beltran and no point in debating that movfe what is done is done!

All we have left is Wright and while it’s been fine so far I have to wonder if we had a guy who knows as much about hitting as Beltran or a guy like Hernandez around, would Ike’s slump have lasted as long as it has?

personally as much as I like the way Thole has been hitting the ideal veteran this team could use is a Power hitting catcher who calls a good game like Carter.
Unfortunatly what you need isn’t always available to get.

But if we had that the worry about bringing up Harvey, Familia, and even Wheeler a little too early would be minimized wouldn’t it?

Desperation breeds mistakes!

I don’t know if they could have gotten Holliday or not…
Truth is the one guy they really needed wasn’t anymore interested in coming to us either!
What they needed was Lee or Halliday!

And even then we would be here now questioning that move considering their current situations.

At this point in the season (June 13th 2010) we were 2 games ahead of the Phillies and 1.5 games behind the Braves who folded that year (like last year).

We lost Bay Jul 25th. I wonder how many games Holliday’s bat could have turned around that second half of the season…Maybe not enough to make the playoffs (we didn’t have the pitching) but certainly would not have been 12 games out of the wildcard/

I hate the “do something ANYTHING” thinking. When someone in authority does something just to show he’s doing something, 9 out of 10 times, it ends up poorly thought out, poorly executed and with terrible results.

and I think you are saying (which I agree with) that the base to buiild on needs to be in place for it to make sense.

Even dumber to have the gaul to use that evidence as an excuse when all they had to say is the best guy doesn’t want to play here and look for something else!

Would have gotten them off the hook with the media….

It’s a mistake made by a GM who was being badgered to do something (ANYTHING) by the press and he was stupid to give them what they wanted.

In either case don’t exacerbate the mistake by sticking with it because of money, Bite the bullet and trade him for scrap or cut him! Right now the roster sport is more valuable than the money!

Well how has that worked out?

You want to know what the biggest headscratcher is on the signing of Bay?

They used his spray charts to select him over holiday!!

They KNEW what his spray charts said about him and yet they still decided he was better for CitiField than Holiday!!!

How did they actually manage that?

Bottomline pay his salary (all of it) to anyone who will take him and give you even a B Prospect in return. If Den Decker continues his hitting in AAA he will be here in Spetember and quite possibly before then. Soon enough to be eligible for the playoff roster should we have one.

It’s time to cut our losses and admit it was a bad contract, move on!

The thing is there may be a time where the perfect guy you need will come here only at HIS price. I understand not wanting to give a multi-year expensive contract (not that i care because it’s not my money) but there will be a time that the perfect guy you need to be the final piece of the puzzle will come here..but at HIS price and not yours.

You’re going to have to be prepared to do that.

It’s hard enough trying to win the World Series let alone setting conditions now to win it. And that’s what a lot of you fans are now doing. You want to win but under certain conditions now.

It ain’t gonna be cheap, you will come across times where you will have to sacrifice prospects and bite the bullet and give a player a contract HE wants and not want you want to pay him.