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	<title>Comments on: So How Much Is RA Dickey Worth?</title>
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		<title>By: K Maxx</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/06/so-how-much-is-ra-dickey-worth.html#comment-258169</link>
		<dc:creator>K Maxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In today&#039;s market and based on what pitchers of this caliber get, Dickey is worth at minimum $15-$18 million per season and he should be good for at least a 4 year deal. So bare minimum, the Mets need to pony up 4 years/$72 million. Right now, Dickey is the only thing keeping the Mets relevant. The only thing! We have Omar Minaya to thank for that by the way and it was good to hear Kevin Burkhardt, Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez say so during the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today&#8217;s market and based on what pitchers of this caliber get, Dickey is worth at minimum $15-$18 million per season and he should be good for at least a 4 year deal. So bare minimum, the Mets need to pony up 4 years/$72 million. Right now, Dickey is the only thing keeping the Mets relevant. The only thing! We have Omar Minaya to thank for that by the way and it was good to hear Kevin Burkhardt, Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez say so during the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/06/so-how-much-is-ra-dickey-worth.html#comment-258168</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thats &quot;In Theory&quot; not in general!

The problem being that if your team is good you can&#039;t get high enough in the draft to get the best players in it and therefore can&#039;t just let your best players go as there is no one to make up for the loss.

If you start off with a really good team eventually you will have just a mediocre team so by relying on the Draft and Minors to fill all your really accomplishing is letting the cycle of how bad you determine how good you will be 5 years from then.

You need to keep at least 2-3 star players on your team that you build around and only when they decline try to replace them with kids or let them leave via FA!

People talk about the Braves building a decade of contention but they bought a lot of it and didn&#039;t let guys like Chipper Jones or John Smoltz go in favor of some kid.

They kept them!

And while having as good MiL system is preferential you can&#039;t rely on that being the case especially if you are playing for as many playoffs as teams like the yankees and Braves were playing for.

The Yankees managed to maintain where the Braves did not because they were not afraid to go out and buy free agents to fill in holes the Minors could not and the Braves did what they could to keep what they had and had to let key pieces of thier team go without anyone to take it&#039;s place.

Because when you pick 28-32 you are simply not going to get at any pitching prospects to replace a Maddox, never going to happen!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats &#8220;In Theory&#8221; not in general!</p>
<p>The problem being that if your team is good you can&#8217;t get high enough in the draft to get the best players in it and therefore can&#8217;t just let your best players go as there is no one to make up for the loss.</p>
<p>If you start off with a really good team eventually you will have just a mediocre team so by relying on the Draft and Minors to fill all your really accomplishing is letting the cycle of how bad you determine how good you will be 5 years from then.</p>
<p>You need to keep at least 2-3 star players on your team that you build around and only when they decline try to replace them with kids or let them leave via FA!</p>
<p>People talk about the Braves building a decade of contention but they bought a lot of it and didn&#8217;t let guys like Chipper Jones or John Smoltz go in favor of some kid.</p>
<p>They kept them!</p>
<p>And while having as good MiL system is preferential you can&#8217;t rely on that being the case especially if you are playing for as many playoffs as teams like the yankees and Braves were playing for.</p>
<p>The Yankees managed to maintain where the Braves did not because they were not afraid to go out and buy free agents to fill in holes the Minors could not and the Braves did what they could to keep what they had and had to let key pieces of thier team go without anyone to take it&#8217;s place.</p>
<p>Because when you pick 28-32 you are simply not going to get at any pitching prospects to replace a Maddox, never going to happen!</p>
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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/06/so-how-much-is-ra-dickey-worth.html#comment-258166</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t comment on what R.A. should get and for how long because I&#039;m not in the business.

But I am concerned about the mindset of the front office.  Whatever principles Sandy might have about long term commitments (even though I agree with him) this is the real world and he has to play within the game -  the economics of professional sports does not enable one to work outside the box as it appeared in the highly fictionalized &quot;Money Ball&quot; (BTW - according to the small sampling of fans ten years ago, Oakland was picked by most to either finish first or win the AL wild card so it&#039;s obvious that team was not looked upon as going nowhere as the movie also professed).

So if R.A. continues doing well after this streak comes to an end, we will then have a better idea about that mindset - or that the Wilpon&#039;s  financial situation is gloomier as many of us suspect it is.

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/lofiversion/index.php?t733.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t comment on what R.A. should get and for how long because I&#8217;m not in the business.</p>
<p>But I am concerned about the mindset of the front office.  Whatever principles Sandy might have about long term commitments (even though I agree with him) this is the real world and he has to play within the game &#8211;  the economics of professional sports does not enable one to work outside the box as it appeared in the highly fictionalized &#8220;Money Ball&#8221; (BTW &#8211; according to the small sampling of fans ten years ago, Oakland was picked by most to either finish first or win the AL wild card so it&#8217;s obvious that team was not looked upon as going nowhere as the movie also professed).</p>
<p>So if R.A. continues doing well after this streak comes to an end, we will then have a better idea about that mindset &#8211; or that the Wilpon&#8217;s  financial situation is gloomier as many of us suspect it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/06/so-how-much-is-ra-dickey-worth.html#comment-258165</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;IN General with a good farm system, which we now have, you play guys untill they get free agency then you replace them with the next new guy. &quot;

Hi Jersey,

That type of scenario is already being played out in Oakland and I don&#039;t think anyone here wants to have the same results as Billy Beane does.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;IN General with a good farm system, which we now have, you play guys untill they get free agency then you replace them with the next new guy. &#8221;</p>
<p>Hi Jersey,</p>
<p>That type of scenario is already being played out in Oakland and I don&#8217;t think anyone here wants to have the same results as Billy Beane does.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/06/so-how-much-is-ra-dickey-worth.html#comment-258161</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Metsie,

It isn&#039;t worth it not at the high prices (after those processing fees) and the cost for concessions.  And if the Mets start drawing more, expect those prices to go up even further thanks to &quot;dynamic pricing&quot;.  For many of us, the fun at the park if offset by the high cost associated with such an excursion.  This is Met baseball - not the Met opera.

But I guess there will be 40,000 willing to shell out such money each game but how much of them will actually be interested in the game compared to just being at an event?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Metsie,</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t worth it not at the high prices (after those processing fees) and the cost for concessions.  And if the Mets start drawing more, expect those prices to go up even further thanks to &#8220;dynamic pricing&#8221;.  For many of us, the fun at the park if offset by the high cost associated with such an excursion.  This is Met baseball &#8211; not the Met opera.</p>
<p>But I guess there will be 40,000 willing to shell out such money each game but how much of them will actually be interested in the game compared to just being at an event?</p>
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		<title>By: MetsMan86</title>
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		<dc:creator>MetsMan86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d say try and offer a 3 year $18 million with a $5 mill option, and maybe try and tack another option year on that too. Maybe it gets bumped up to 3 or 4 year $20 - $25 mill with an option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say try and offer a 3 year $18 million with a $5 mill option, and maybe try and tack another option year on that too. Maybe it gets bumped up to 3 or 4 year $20 &#8211; $25 mill with an option.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/06/so-how-much-is-ra-dickey-worth.html#comment-258147</link>
		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3/36 with vesting options at 14m the first one and 15m the 2nd with a 2.5m buyout each time.So that&#039;s 3/36 (38.5) 4/50 (52.5) 5/65.  Seems fair for all parties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3/36 with vesting options at 14m the first one and 15m the 2nd with a 2.5m buyout each time.So that&#8217;s 3/36 (38.5) 4/50 (52.5) 5/65.  Seems fair for all parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/06/so-how-much-is-ra-dickey-worth.html#comment-258141</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since coming to the Mets he has been a solid pitcher, the ace this year.  I think he deserves a 3-4 yr deal, he has been one of their best signings.  Keep someone like him to help mentor the young guys coming up this year and next.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since coming to the Mets he has been a solid pitcher, the ace this year.  I think he deserves a 3-4 yr deal, he has been one of their best signings.  Keep someone like him to help mentor the young guys coming up this year and next.</p>
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		<title>By: Bayonne Mets Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bayonne Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oops i just realized i misread connor&#039;s response.  I meant to say 3 years at 20 million each year sounds about right]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops i just realized i misread connor&#8217;s response.  I meant to say 3 years at 20 million each year sounds about right</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Plenty of english there...would you rather I posted it in your preferred language? Gibberish?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plenty of english there&#8230;would you rather I posted it in your preferred language? Gibberish?</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You want to try that sentence again? In English perhaps?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want to try that sentence again? In English perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/06/so-how-much-is-ra-dickey-worth.html#comment-258040</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You my not think so but if Sandy even lets him get into a situation to find out Adios Muchacho!
He&#039;s gone because I think he will get that if the years are less than 3!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You my not think so but if Sandy even lets him get into a situation to find out Adios Muchacho!<br />
He&#8217;s gone because I think he will get that if the years are less than 3!</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/06/so-how-much-is-ra-dickey-worth.html#comment-258038</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry but over the last three years aside from his Win/Loss record he most certainly has been as good as the best pitchers in the game!

2011 dealing with injuries he was 24th in ERA with a 3,28
2010 he was in the top 10 with a 2.84 ERA 
2012 he is tied for 1st with a 2.00 ERA

So the only year he had that he had a higher ERA was the year he split a fingernail in his second start and wwith a heel injury that hobbled him most of the year!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but over the last three years aside from his Win/Loss record he most certainly has been as good as the best pitchers in the game!</p>
<p>2011 dealing with injuries he was 24th in ERA with a 3,28<br />
2010 he was in the top 10 with a 2.84 ERA<br />
2012 he is tied for 1st with a 2.00 ERA</p>
<p>So the only year he had that he had a higher ERA was the year he split a fingernail in his second start and wwith a heel injury that hobbled him most of the year!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Dickey were to make it to free agency, he&#039;d be 39 the first time he toes the rubber for his new team. Knuckleballer or not..that&#039;s pretty old.

The other thing is Dickey is having the run of his career right now..he may pitch great going forward, but he won&#039;t be this unhittable forever. His value won&#039;t be what it is now, following next season...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Dickey were to make it to free agency, he&#8217;d be 39 the first time he toes the rubber for his new team. Knuckleballer or not..that&#8217;s pretty old.</p>
<p>The other thing is Dickey is having the run of his career right now..he may pitch great going forward, but he won&#8217;t be this unhittable forever. His value won&#8217;t be what it is now, following next season&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jerseymet</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerseymet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Think about Dickey  the Jedi Master Coach.  The Mets already have a team in Tennessee.   RA could teach the knuckleball to never were AAAA types in a short season league.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about Dickey  the Jedi Master Coach.  The Mets already have a team in Tennessee.   RA could teach the knuckleball to never were AAAA types in a short season league.</p>
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		<title>By: oleosmirf</title>
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		<dc:creator>oleosmirf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[but there are 29 other teams that might...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but there are 29 other teams that might&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really really don&#039;t think he&#039;d get close to $15M...even on a one year deal]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really really don&#8217;t think he&#8217;d get close to $15M&#8230;even on a one year deal</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As long as those vesting options remain reasonable than absolutely!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as those vesting options remain reasonable than absolutely!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The issue is that it&#039;s only one season!! Yes, he has pitched better than his record the past two years, but the Mets can&#039;t pay him like he&#039;s going to win 20 games every year.  He&#039;s been the best in the game for 3 months...not among the best for the past 3-5-7 years... He&#039;s got grounds to get paid, but not amongst the elite..not yet]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is that it&#8217;s only one season!! Yes, he has pitched better than his record the past two years, but the Mets can&#8217;t pay him like he&#8217;s going to win 20 games every year.  He&#8217;s been the best in the game for 3 months&#8230;not among the best for the past 3-5-7 years&#8230; He&#8217;s got grounds to get paid, but not amongst the elite..not yet</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry but no on here suggested 5 years as I did!

Everyone else was talking a 3 year deal and that was it!

You only offer 3 your paying 15 Mil Minimum!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but no on here suggested 5 years as I did!</p>
<p>Everyone else was talking a 3 year deal and that was it!</p>
<p>You only offer 3 your paying 15 Mil Minimum!</p>
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