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2012
Santana Tosses First Mets No-Hitter In 8-0 Win Over Cards!!!
An article by Former Writers
Johan Santana has done the impossible, the unthinkable, the only imaginative. He has reset the count back to zero. 8,019 games without a no-hitter but tonight is a night to remember. Save this date, June 1st, 2012 on your calenders as Johan Santana has pitched the very first no-hitter in Mets franchise history. In their 51st season, Santana has done something the likes of Seaver, Koosman, Gooden and hundreds before him couldn’t do. There was question about him going back out for the ninth as he’s back from his injury, had an incredibly high pitch count, but he pulled it off. 134 pitches thrown, the most in his career, was enough to no-hit the first place Cardinals. There were two plays that went the Mets way, the Beltran hit that was called foul despite hitting the chalk, and the hit-by-pitch that wasn’t called because the ump said he didn’t get out of the way. Santana, a two-time Cy Young winner, the Mets ace, and many of the fans’ favorite player and easily one of the best pitchers this franchise has ever seen, has pulled it off. Congratulations to Johan, and congrats to all us Mets fans for sticking with them. Santana ends the night going all nine innings, NO HITS, no runs, five walks, eight strikeouts and a no-hitter to put on his resume. Also gets his third win on the season.
Mets bats able to break open the game late thanks to Duda, Wright and Murphy. Scoring two in the third and then three in each the sixth and seventh inning. A total of eight runs on eight hits.
Daniel Murphy had a great night at the plate. Getting two hits: an RBI triple in the fourth, and a two-run single in the seventh for a total of three RBIs on the night. His batting average sits at .305 on the season.
David Wright with just one hit tonight. Still contributed nicely, including scoring two runs, two walks and an RBI. Career RBI number 756 in fact. Not quite hitting .400 anymore as it’s back down to .366.
Lucas Duda had one hit, but it was a three-run homerun in the sixth inning, his eighth of the season, taking over the team’s lead. Duda also had a sac fly in the fourth to give him a 4 RBI day, a career-high for him.
Mike Baxter didn’t have a hit in the game but he made a spectacular catch in left field to preserve Santana’s no-hitter in the seventh inning. He slammed his shoulder into the wall and had to be taken out of the game.
Kirk Nieuwenhuis and Omar Quintanilla both had two hits tonight as well and scoring four combined runs in the game. Both had a strikeout and Kirk drew a walk as well. Kirk is batting over .300 and Omar is hitting over .400. These rookies are impressing.
Ike Davis goes 0-3 with a walk and a strikeout. Batting .167.
Josh Thole went 0-4 with two strikeouts in his first game back since his concussion in early May.
Notes
Tonight marked Beltran’s first return back to Citi Field since he’s left the Mets. He was welcomed by a tribute video and cheers from the home crowd.
Game Ball
Johan Santana. Simply put.
Up Next
RA Dickey and the Mets face up against the impressive Lance Lynn and the Cardinals. Game time is 4:10 on WPIX.
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It’s over Finally!!!
Thank You Santana.
Thank You Baxter.
And Thank You Terry Collins for giving me and all Mets fans a great memory. Our 1st Citi Field memory and one I will never ever ever forget.
Now I am going to open up a bottle of Brandy and celebrate.
LETS GO METS!!!
Hey don’t forget to thank that umpire who called that fair ball foul too! LOL
Please rain on another team’s parade.
Hey Toxic Redneck!
Get Bent! Even the press brought it up!
Accept and embrace the team where you’ll enjoy the moments you should. Take a midol and have a glass of Chardonnay if the helps.
You would think he’d be happy. He’s probably pissed cause Baxter saved the no hitter and Baxter is Sandy’s guy, so in his mind it doesn’t count.
I almost chortled at the post. It’s too true. This is the Mets shinig glory and already comes the urination patrol on this party. Can’t we all high five and sing songs and crap?
I suggest you two go look at what I said in the other thread and then run crying to Mother when you realize your ploy to call me not a fan was quite childish misplaced and Idiotic at best!
But let me tell you this…
If your so insecure that mentioning the Blown call from the Umpire can ruin your Joy you have much bigger issues than me raining on your parade!
Really Life is going to be very very hard for you!
Funny how this loser calls anybody other than himself childish and idiotic. This knucklehead hates Alderson so much he goes as far as saying Alderson wasn’t the guy making the moves in Oakland from 1983 to 1992. This dude is so full of shit he believes his own lies.
Yep said it and proved it!
The only thing you proved is how far you’ll go to make up a story.
How old are you Fonzie, would love to know!
I proved my point quite well by showing the power structure of the A’s Pre 1991
You showed nothing but a bunch of announcements made by Sandy!
The only one full of shit is you!!
Your ready to explode!
I’m 46, a real 46 not a made up age like you claming to be 50. Now it’s the power structure you showed and not the one making the baseball decisions. Change, change, change, typical Metsie gets caught in a lie and changes from saying Sandy made no baseball decisions before 1992 to the power structure pre 91. VP of baseball operations and GM means he made the baseball decisions as all the links showed.Roy Eisenhardt never made any baseball decisions except how much Sandy could spend. You relying on Baseball America’s list of front office titles is pretty ironic since you think Baseball America sucks. Poll the folks on this site and see who’s full of shit you’ll come up number one by a wide wide margin.
Yep I’m 50! You act like a 12 year old though….
What about the word GM says he made decisions Fonzie? NOTHING!
I suppose you also believe Joe McDonald was the one who decided to trade Seaver not Grant because he was the GM and therefore made all the decisions for the team?
Is this “Its Says GM so he decided” defense still viable? NOPE!
Proved wrong and a fool for thinking two letters after the name is more significant and telling than the rest of the power structure around him!
50 years old in dog/Metsie years. Now lets shift the subject over to the Seaver deal which was done by Joe McDonald, not Grant.I guess since you got caught in another lie you again have to shift the subject and dance around the truth. Didn’t realize Eisenhardt reired in 87 did you? Didn’t realize Rigney answered to Sandy in 89 did you. Didn’t realize there were no more buffers after that did you? Lmao.. What a fool!
LOL well Baseball America says your a liar if you think they retied in 87!
Or that Rigney reported to Sandy at any point before 1991 when he was made Asst to the GM as opposed to some Exec VP who was sandy’s boss!
http://www.baseballamerica.com/execdb/?show=team&fid=oak&year=1987
Only Eisenhardt supposedly retired but he was not replaced and was still involved! Who did Rigney report to in 1988? Sandy? Nope! Assistant to the president! Who was the president in 1988? BA doesn’t say! I’ll let you guess WHO that was!
http://www.baseballamerica.com/execdb/?show=team&fid=oak&year=1988
In 1989 Rigney was Assitant to Exec Vice President of BASEBALL MATTERS…What was Sandy’s title in 1989? a mere VICE president of baseball operations not EXECUTIVE VP!
http://www.baseballamerica.com/execdb/?show=team&fid=oak&year=1989
In 1990 Rigney was Assistant to Exec VP of Baseball Matters, Sandy is? VP of baseball ops NOT MATTERS!
http://www.baseballamerica.com/execdb/?show=team&fid=oak&year=1990
Only until we get to 1991 does Rigney start to work FOR Sandy! Sandy remains VP of Baseball Ops but this year Rigney is a special assistant to the GM not some EXEC VP, Note though that Rigney remains in charge of Baseball Matters but Sandy being his boss for the FIRST TIME in all those years now has the right to overrule him!
http://www.baseballamerica.com/execdb/?show=team&fid=oak&year=1991
As for my Age everyone here knows exactly how old I am!
They even know my real name!
You can go to City Hall and look it all up!
But bring your parents with you they don’t allow kids to request records at City Hall!
You isistence on lying and making stuff up is failing you because you obviously have no clue about Corporate power structure or the significance of Titles where decisions are concerned!
Something I have a ton of experience in!
Because I am 50 years old and have been there!
1989 Rigney was Sandy’s special assistan to the GM. Read his functions, special assistant to the GM. Go eat your shitburger you lost. Eisenhardt was playing golf in 1988 after retiring from the A’s and never made decisions before hand, Sandy did. Rigney was the consultant. He was Sandy’s assistant in 1989 the year they won the WS with the team Sandy built. Try being a man and except the fact that you don’t have a leg to stand on and you were exposed lying yet again.
“Assistant to the Executive Vice President” was his title!
Was Sandy Executive Vice president? NOPE!
You Lose loser now go read the article I posted that showed how the A’s under Eisenhardt made their baseball decisions and who ran what!
Special assitant to the GM, which means Rigney was Sandy’s consultant. it says so in black and white in the link you posted. Eisenhardt handed off the reigns to Alderson in 1983 after firing Martin in 82. Nice try you’re digging your hole deeper.
Yes it says that is part of his function…he assists the GM byt telling him he has to go and get!
Who did he report to Fatthickskull boy?
the Executive Vice Pres. Was sandy Executive Vice pres?
NOPE!
YOU LOSE!
Walter Haas was the executive vice prez and owner who has said Sandy made the decisions and Rigney was Sandy’s assistant. Assistant does what he person he’s assisting tells him to do. Sandy was the person he was assisting. Says so in the link you provided.
How the heck did you guys get Walter Haas into this thread? lol
Hey Devin, good question. That’s because this nut Metsie lies through the one tooth he has by claiming Alderson wasn’t the guy that put the A’s teams together so I quoted their owner Haas who said that he did. That’s just one of the many Metsie BS lines all because he hates the GM with a passion. He’s still mad that Jose is in Miami.
And who was president in 1988!
Cause thats who Rigney Reported to….I’ll give you a hint he was listed with title the year before!
Sorry You Lose!
Devin he has pulled about 50 names out to argue about each time having the BA evidence shutting down his attempt, Thats why he has mentioned Haas because he really has nothing else and will keep making posts hoping to strike gold!
Yes My parents are Very proud of me as I bought them a house recently!
Yeah Fonzie…the guy WITH facts and linkage is the liar the guy who has none and no links other than a slideshow of pictures as his ONLY evidence is not just makiing shit up and hopes it sticks or I will get tired and give up!
NOT HAPPENING DUDE!
YOU LOSE!
(BTW, Now you know how JoeyD felt! Had a nice convo with him and JoeD today regarding you and your childish antics!)
LMAO FATTHICKSKULL BOY! You’re 50? Mom and Dad must be real proud.
Still dancing around the truth I see. Walter Haas’ name was brought up because umm he like owned the team and he said umm Sandy was the one to build the team. Spin it is fast as you can it all comes down to the owner saying it was Sandy and not Rigney or Eisenhardt. Have another shitburger.
You don’t HAVE any truth to dance around…Just a bunch of Pictures with captions!
I’m the one who has the facts you keep sidestepping like it’s dog doo blocking your path to glory!
YOU LOSE!
Joe D can check everything I said about JoeyD that he never backs up his opinions. Oh yeah that was vicious. I may get 25 to life for that. I’m enjoying watching you fume over this. You know you lost and it’s pissing you off that I won’t go away like everybody that just gives up on your childish behavior. I’m giving it right back to you and you can’t take it can you. Sandy built the A’s and it’s eating your insides out ain’t it. You lost go dig a hole already I proved it 100 times over and you gave nothing to support your claim JoeyD JR.
Funny coming from the guy who has yet to back up his opinion after 25 back and forth post because you refuse to accept the only FACTS that have been presented on the subject…
Those Facts you say JoeyD didn’t have are many of the same Facts you refuse to accept here!
Like HOW the A’s ran thier operation, Who replaced Martin, Who made the A’s scouting and Evaluation department better (before Sandy was even hired) and instead your entire arguments hinges on some slideshow you found that lists a load of players acquired after 1991!
Damn I forgot to say YOU LOSE!
ROFLMAO! You don’t know what stubborn is but I do intend to let you know how JoeyD felt with your stubborn constant insisting that you have no facts (without me having to lie even) just as you attempted with Joey and we will see who gives up first!
Well this has to be the most ridiculous crap I have ever read. Wasn’t this thread about the first no hitter in f’ing team history? Wow.
Yes TRS I’m making a point on JoeyD’s behalf…
I want you to note WHO brought the topic up in the first place…
Fonzie13 June 2, 2012 at 12:19 am .
Funny how this loser calls anybody other than himself childish and idiotic. This knucklehead hates Alderson so much he goes as far as saying Alderson wasn’t the guy making the moves in Oakland from 1983 to 1992. This dude is so full of shit he believes his own lies.
So don’t go on blaming me for bringing this severly off topic I’m just continuing the conversation for as long as Fonzie insists on keeping it live to show him that the stubborness and lies he used to badger JoeyD off the site is not a very good idea!
And I’m giving him his own medicine right back at him!
Again… ridiculous. So to prove some point you destroy another thread with assumptionsconspiracy theories and I know you are but what am I garbage. Have fun with that.
I destroyed the thread?
Not Fonzie for bringing it up in the first place and perpetuating it?
Just cause I got the last word in doesn’t mean I’m responsible for the length of the comments…
But you would like it to be that way because Fonzie is your idiot isn’t he?
If you want to play the Fair and impartial concerned person then you should start putting the blame on the guy who started it and perpetuated it not the guy who finished it or replied last!
Oh come of it. Unless Fonzie ahs mythical powers that i am un aware of he can’t make you do anything. You are reaposible for your own actions. Besides if it isn’t Fonzie you will be doing this same crap with someone else.
You are just plain sad. I honestly feel sorry for you that you need this so much it becomes an obsesssion that you feel you actually have to win. Like there really is a winner or loser or that things are actually black and white or eye for an eye is an adult way of carrying yourself on a Mets forrum…
Again good luck with that.
Pray tell why shoulD I be held to a higher standard and not Fonzie?
Take a look again at the chain dude…I made a comment about thanking the umpire for the foul call and Fonzie went on his little tirade about Alderson and Oakland.
Why should I not respond to him?
And why are you talking to me and not him?
Why does he not have to act better?
Your just trying to help your friend…
If you want any crediblilty on this subject then take it up with who started the whole damn thing and if you want to not see it happen again take it up with the guy who started the whole thing.
If you keep talking to me your wasting your time because I didn’t start the problem I just responded to the guy who did…
Don’t want to see thiese things then stop the guy who starts it not the guy who responds to him!
Again Metsie if it wasn’t Fonzie it would be someone else. You got some issues to work through. You can’t blame someone else for your own perpetual actions. Again have fun trying time prove eye for an eye points and trying to win something on a blog. Wow.
Yep and I won another p[oint apparently…
Your not concerned with the Blog at all just helping Fonzie!
So Who is fooling who here?
I have plenty of excellent back and forth with people that doesn’t go like this one!
Only when they start do I give it right back!
You guys never seem to have a problem with the guys who start them though do you?
I wonder why?
Perhaps because your not really interested in an honest debate just like running posters like JoeyD off and when those tactics are used against your friends you whine like a little baby!
Your concern for the blog is just so phony TRS….
If you want it to stop stop it at the SOURCE not the guy who reacts to the source of the crap!
You want me and guys like Bayonne and Joey to take whatever you and your friends decide to dish out and then castigate us for not taking it?
You got another thing coming dude!
And this just shows me that if your so worried about what I’m doing to your friends I must be doing something right!
It must be getting to you!
MAYBE even will inspire you to take your tripe to some OTHER site where they simply take whatever crap you want to dish out and not respond back so you guys can feel powerful and strong!
ROFLMAO!
I will repeat myself. You are in complete control of your own actions and your desire to win something on a blog of Mets fans is surely unmatched. Have fun.
Final comment I’m going to have with you on this topic TRS because it’s obvious your intention is hardly anything to do with what happened to this nthread…
JoeyD was one of the most POLITE, UN-INSULTING posters we had here!
And your Buddy Fonzie did to him what I did to Fonzie here!
Where were you and your concerns when it was JoeyD being attacked by Fonzie?
I suppose I was responsible for that crap fest too?
Get over yourself your not fooling anyone with this I’m a concerned reasonable poster crap your just trying to help your buddie Fonzie because you know I won’t quit and he can’t possibly end this without doing what he should have in the first place and dropped the subject!
Or Not started it at all!
yep and so is Fonzie isn’t he? Or are you puppeting him from home?
I am responsible for my actions…My actions were to DEFEND MYSELF on a topic Fonzie started!
Got problems with that take it up with him FIRST!
Then if I continue you got a case to get me to stop!
See above. Try to get someone to tap in submission while seeking to prove eye for an eye points and seek winners and losers on a blog. You go buddy.
Thats what Fonzie did with JoeyD…
And I’m giving him a bigger challenge back!
Until you take on Fonzie on this subject your words are meaningless BIAS and AGENDA is clear!
He did precisely what you propose but nary a peep from you!
So you are making a point you need to make to Fonzie who does this same thing with EVERYONE where I simply pick and choose my targets!
And this case Fonzie is in my sights because of what he did to JoeyD!
Whom I notice you didn’t seem to acknowledge Fonzie doing to him what I’m doing to Fonzie when I wasn’t around!
Since you are too wimpy or too afraid of taking on Fonzie someone has to do it!
I am that Man!
See above.
You too! Who is doing it now?
Without you taking on BOTH sides and without you taking Fonzie up for doinjg what you don’t like to JoeyD your words are meaningless and phony!
Your opinion of me doesn’t matter because if you think what Fonzie did was fine then it must be fine when I do it too!
So See Above!
And forget about thinking I give a damn what you rthink about me!
Because if you like Fonzie I do so HOPE you HATE me!
That would be an Honor to be hated by someone with your standards of good and bad!
Hey why don’t you tell TRS the reason why Fonzie got on you was causeit was a continuation from you jumping in when it was none of your business in another thread. Guess why TRS is is coming down on you and not me. Not because we’re buddies. I don’t know him any more than I know you. TRS knows that you get into these back and forth childish rants with different people everyday. Any thread that has a lot of comments is always dominated by none other than Metsie. Tell TRS what I did to Joey to make him run off. Joey I wish for once you would back your opinion up with facts. See TRS how harsh that was. I’m going to get my passport to get out of the country cause I’m on John Walsh’s America’s Most Wanted List. Did you see me on TV? John Walsh said if anybody knows where Fonzie13 may be please turn this blogger in. He asked somebody to back up an opinion he’s mighty dangerous. After this you won’t see me respond to this loser anymore but this one I’m gonna continue to play his game and act like a complete ass just like he does every single day here, if not wiith me then with someone else just lke TRS pointed out. You are a twisted individual and you destroy these threads everyday with the same old tiring nonsense. You really need to seek professional help. I hope you find some really soon.
why don’t you ask TRS why he wasn’t worried at all about what you were doing in THAT thread or why you decided to not continue this THERE and brought it here ruining this thread and taking it way way way off topic?
Hmmm?
You started this WHOLE thing…
I’m just finishing it!
Truth is between this thread and that it is quite clear WHO the troublemaker around here is!
And it ain’t Metsie!
Everybody knows who blows up every single thread. I just gave you a taste of your own medicine. Whats your excuse for the hundreds of other threads you blow up. Notice when you take a hiatus no thread gets blown up past 30-40 comments. It’s always dominated by Metsie but with a different opponent. I don’t get into these flame wars, you do. Show another one besides with you. Why? Cause you’re not man enough to say I made a mistake you were right. You have issues not me.
Yep they do! And everyone knows who bullied JoeyD off the site too!
You guys only complain when I do what you do back at you!
But before that what you do is just fine!
Well fine for you Fine for me too!
Maybe if you guys spent more time not bullying Posters and thought up a good argument instead you guys would see so many threads blown up!
You Bully Them and I will Bully you!
Democracy is great isn’t it?
What you have the right to do everyone has the right to do!
Live with it dude!
You managed to bully the most polite guy who has ever posted here!
And now I’m going to do the same to you on this thread until you give up or you change your ways and stop you crap!
Last time I did this was when you and you Sandy Buddies tried to bully Bayonne!
All played the poor Victim then too!
You guys are just sad sacks who don’t like it when someone does to you what you do to them!
And I am just the stubborn headed mick to do it back to you!
Fight Fire With Fire!
The owner saying it was Sandy is all the proof I need. After all he was the owner and would know more than you. You can’t beat that.
Yeah all you need is a good fairy tale to get to sleep at night!
Too bad the FACTS say otherwise!
YOU LOSE!
Oh if you wish to prove the Owner was talking about Pre-1991 then show the link if you can’t you got nothing, No Facts, No Case YOU LOSE!
Proof is in the links I provided. Proof is Walter Haas saying Sandy did it. If Eisenhardt did it then Haas would’ve said so, he didn’t cause Sandy did. just like he said.
The Links you provided were all dated and discussed happenings AFTER 1991!
So none of it is proof of what happened before 1991 and who made the decisions…Mine did that quite clearly!
Untuil you find a link and a quote that is made BEFORE 1991 that touts Sandy’s Evaluation and Team Building ability or decision making..Yoiu have what you accused JoeyD of having! NO PROOF TO BACK UP YOUR OPINION!
YOU LOSE!
You mean the Trades Sandy made in that link for Dave Parker, Mike Moore, the signings of Dave Stewart, The drafting of Mark McGwire, Terry Steinbach and Walt Weiss all well before 1991. Some were in 84, some in 86, 87, 88 so on and so forth. Wheres your proof that Eisenhardt made those moves. You don’t have it. You are still getting no hit. You can’t even bunt your way on.
Yep your slideshow that was made AFTER 1991 and didn’t say a thing about who decided to get those guys from a baseball perspective…Just who was called GM when those deals happened, And we have already established time and time again that being called the GM doesn’t mean you have Final Say or make any decisions whatsoever!
Showed you that with the stuff about who Rigney reported to and the fact that McDonald didn’t make the decisions on things like trading Seaver in 77, Grant did despite your proclamation that the GM makes all decisions which is patently UNTRUE!
YOU LOSE!
I said Sandy made the baseball decisions,the link shows Dave Parker was traded for in 1987, 4 years before 1991. Haas said Sandy made baseball decisions, not me, I am only repeating what Haas said. He said it, you can’t change it. You can change around your point but you can’t change the fact that Sandy made the baseball decisions, starting in 83 not 91. Sorry you still lose. It’s not changing cause you can’t change the past not even on your planet.
yes you keep insisting he did but can’t provide any evidence to prove it!
Haas was talking about POST 1991 not PRE 1991! Unless you quote is before 1991 where the stuff after 1991 hadn’t happened yet!
The trades were made when Sandy has the GM title but the GM doesn’t always make the decisoions I proved that to you as well!
Sorry but repeating yourslef is only making you look even dumber than you look now ignoring the proof that has been given to you!
And it may have worked on JoeyD but guess what…I’m Not JoeyD!
I’m your worst nightmare and will continue this for as long as you keep on coming back for more!
YOU LOSE! You have NO PROOF! Just Circumstantial evidence that talkign about POST 1991!
Got any proof Haas was talking post 1991? Sandy was hired in 1983, drafted McGwire in 1984. Rigney was in the broadcast booth and Eisenhardt was taking care of McGwires signing bonus. He was the legal counsil. Sandy was the GM and VP of baseball operations. Haas Said Sandy built the team that won 4 division titles 3 AL pennants 1 World Series and a partridge in a peartree.
Yep the date of the interview was post 1991!
have any proof he was only talking about PRE 1991?
No?
YOU LOSE!
Have NO EVIDENCE to back up your statements just like you accused JoeyD of!
So your not just a loser your a hypocritical loser as well!
Hold others to standards you yourself can’t meet!
YOU LOSE!
Keep grasping fro those straws. He said Sandy was responsible for it all. He changed the way the game is played. Did he win after 1991? Nope. Can’t change the way you play the game if you don’t win a championship can you? Nope. When did they win the World Series? 1989, Esienhardt was playing golf, retired and Rigney was his assistant. You lose yet again. Haas said Sandy built it. Can’t dispute indisputable evidence. Mark McGwire drafted 1984. Sandy’s pick.
Your the one buildig with straws…Post 1991 straws…
I’m just your big bad wolf blowing your house of cards down!
YOU LOSE! you have offered not one shred of proof that Sandy made a single decision before 1991!
JoeyD had more proof than you got!
Sorry Charlie you will have to find some proof that says Sandy made a baseball decision before 1991 if you can’t….
YOU LOSE!
According to Walter Haas Sandy built the championship A’s not Rigney or Eisenhardt. Sorry you can’t change that history any more than you can change what happened to JFK. History is set in stone it’s reversable. I can play all night long. I’m game.
Yep the 1992 CHAMPIONSHIP (not the World Series A’s) which happened after 1991
YOU LOSE!
Oh and tell your buddy Leroy I have never once said Emaus was a top prospect in fact I trashed the hell out him the first time we went after him!
Yes 1992 also. He won the division but lost to Toronto in the ALCS. He won the World Seies in 1989 by putting together a powerhouse team. Haas said so. So do the record books. Sorry. You’ll have to sak the guy who wrote the record books to see if he’s lying. I doubt it cause Haas confirmed it was Sandy and not Rigney or Eisenhardt.
Haas didn’t say world series he said championship…
And if he was speaking about 1992 how do you know he was talking about 1989 as well?
PROVE IT!
If not…
YOU LOSE!
How many times do you need me to show the same trades, signings and draft picks that Alderson made? It’s still says the same thing. 1986 Alderson signs Dave Stewart, 1987 Aderson trdes Jose Rijo and others for Dave Parker. Mike Moore, Dennis Eckersly, etc… That’s what it says, Haas said he made the moves, you say he didn’t I’ll take the owners word for it and not some nut .Sorry.
Showing Trades doesn’t prove Sandy made the decision…Thats your problem your insisting on the GM makes ALL decisions when I showed you your Absoloute isn’t absoloute otherwise mcDonald would be the guy responsible for making the decision to trade Seaver not Grant!
Is that true?
NO!
Then any trades made while Sandy was GM is NOT PROOF he decided to make those trades!
The articles say Sandy made them the owner said Sandy made them. Thats all the proof I need. Show a trade that Rigney made or Eisenhardt. Grant and Joe Mac have nothing to do with Oakland. Sandy does. He made the trade for Dave Parker in 1987, 4 years before 1991.
Oh were down to LYING now?
The Articles said the deals were made when Sandy was GM not that he decided on them just that he was the guy with the hat that said GM….Your articles said nothing about decisions…
Your OWNER said nothing about the World Series or years porevious to 1991 all he said was the championship team was Sandy’s not the World Series team!
So no he didn’t DECIDE to trade for Dave Parker he was ORDERED to trade for for Parker by Eisenhardt the same way McDonald was ordered to trade SEAVER!
And you can keep on repeating your sources and I will continue to repeat why they don’t work until someone I respect decides to tell us BOTH to stop instead of just one side!
Just show me the article that says Sandy was orderd to make a deal or Haas saying Sandy did it but it wasn’t until 1992. If you show me a piece of evience, an article that says Eisenhardt or Rigney ordered Sandy to make a trade then you will get me to say you were right. Your own article Eisenhardt said he doesn’t 2nd guess his baseball people. He gave Martin final decision power when Martin was in charge of baseball operations and he gave Sandy the power to make the decisions as Mr haas gave hm the credt for. Sorry.
Show us the article that says SANDY DECIDED something before 1991!
Your slideshow FAILS because it only claims Sandy was GM not the decision maker…
Haas was talking about 1992! If you think not PROVE IT by providing a quote of him (or anyone) saying that before 1991!
You got that?
Rigney didn’t report to Sandy till 1991 so how the hell could Sandy decide on whatb he said when the baseball guy didn’t report to him?
They both reported to the DECIDER, Thier Boss!
I showed you that in the Inc article, CLEAR as day the Business (Sandy was counsel) and Baseball (Rigney)
That means Sandy did what Rigney said to do because Eisenhardt usually didn’t overrule his baseball guy!
Face it dude your screwed until you come up with a quote that actually says without a shadow of a doubt Sandy DECIDED baseball acquisitions before 1991 or was made BEFORE 1991 that shows it can’t possibly be about post 1991 since it hadn’t happened yet!
When you get that proof you can win this argument and make me look foolish…
Until you find it My evidence is a hell of a lot more proof that Sandy didn’t decide a thing Pre 1991! Except maybe what color the drapes in his office was and what brand of rolodex he used to keep all the phone numbers he needed to call once Righney and Eisenhardt decided what player they wanted to get next!
Sandy’s job was to run the office, Collect the reports, Show them to Eisenhardt and Rigney so they could decide the next move!
YOU LOSE!
Sandy was the GM like the article said. Sandy made the deals like the article said. Some were before 1991, some were after 1991. The dates are attached to each deal. Show us the proof that Haas said that was about post 1991. Haas said Sandy was the one responsible for it all, The burden of proof falls on you to prove it was after 1991. Rigney was the assistant to the GM in 1989, the GM in 1989 was Sandy, sorry but that’s before 1991 in AD years if it was BC years then you would’ve won but as it is you fail to show the proof that anybody else other than Sandy made the deals that the article says was Sandy making them. You have nothing that says Sandy was ordered to make them you have no proof who constructed the dealds all you know is what the srticles say which is what I’ve been saying all along that Sandy wasn’t only the legal end, Eisenhardt was. Sandy was involve in the legal end with Eisenhardt from 1981 to 1983 when Sandy was elevater to GM and VP of baseball operations. Sorry that’s just the way it was and until you show the articles connected Eisenhardt or Rigney ordering those moves you have nothing but anger built up inside you for not being able to show the proof you need to back your claim. I showed my proof.
Sandy Was the GM! Sandy made the Trade…
McDonald was the GM! McDonald trades Seaver!
Did McDonald make the decision?
You answer applies to Sandy as well before 1991!
There’s proof Grant ordered the Seaver deal, articls saying so, not disputing that. There’s no proof anybody ordering Sandy to make deals, no articles pointing to it. Rigney was under Sandy BA list shows it he wasn’t on top of him. Pecking order shows.
And proof Sandy didn’t run the BASEBALL MATTERS!
You LOSE!
Any day now, any day now. Oh wait that any day won’t come cause your proof doesn’t exist. Walter Haas knocked down your attempt to pass off another lie Mike. Sorry! All these victory cigars I’m smoking can’t be good for me. Right?
Prove Haas was talking about before 1991 and not 1992 then you can win and dance!
Until you do…
YOU LOSE!
My source was Baseball America INC incorporated and A QUOTE POSTED BY YOU from Sandy saying he kept quiet and stayed in the background WHILE THE BASEBALL PEOPLE SPOKE!
You can’t be quiet and make decisions!
And you can’t make a decision when your BASEBALL people do not report to you!
YOU LOSE!
Your had Rigney below Sandy, Your article had Eisenhardt handling legal and marketing, my links had Sandy making decisions and Haas saying he did. Have any proof Haas was talking about after 1991. He was the GM 83-97 therefore he made baseball decisions the who time. Still no proof saying otherwise or anybody making them but I do and you are still without a hit.
Only because you can’t fit both on the same line…They both had the SAME boss which means Sandy was no more powerful than Rigney…
By the way I left you a present in the other thread and if you continue then your going to look foolish but just so I know you don’y miss it I will repost it here….
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2209&dat=19821027&id=sqMrAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rvwFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2503,7278997
Eisenhardt said he was counting on Rigney to bolster the team’s player development.
http://newspaperarchive.com/tyrone-daily-herald/1982-10-21/page-6
Under reorganization Eisenhardt plans to move in and assume some of the general manager’s duties which Martin also administered (Martin ran Baseball Only, Business was seperate as I have showed) Rigney fits that mold perfectly since he is a former big league manager and currently is under contract to the California Angels as an advisor to president.
So Eisenhardt took over Player decisions which is why Rigney reported to him not Sandy! PROOF!
But just because I want you to feel even WORSE here is a quote from SANDY HIMSELF!!!!!
After the A’s won an American League pennant in 1988, then-A’s executive Sandy Alderson said, “When you talk about people who have contributed to our success, you have to single out Bill Rigney. His contributions have been enormous. He has been involved in every one of our player acquisitions since I came here in 1982. I’ve watched 600 or 700 games with Bill, and it’s been an education.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/02/21/SP186011.DTL&ao=all#ixzz1wlSkAQmK
YOU LOSE…You LOSE BADLY!!!!!!!
I brought your present over here and heres the same answer, You made my point even clearer.
Thanks you Metsie for proving my point even further. Rigney was hired in an advisory role as a special assistant to the President. Note- Advisory role = consultant. Sandy says he contributed to the moves, exactly corect he contributed to the moves and decisions that Sandy made. Also note the article was in 1982 one year before Alderson became GM and VP of Baseball Operations and Rigney was an advisor and not a decsion maker. I read all these articles the first time you made these claims in February and they say exactly what I’m saying. Rigney consulted, he advised Sandy, he was Sandy’s shoulder to lean on. Thank you for finally showing the proof I need to bury this issue once and for all. Sandy Drafted Mark McGwire, Sandy Drafted Walt Weiss, Sandy Drafted Terry Steinbach, Sandy acquired Dave Parker, Sandy Acquired Mike Moore, Denis Eckersly, Dave Stewart, Glen Hubbard. What did Rigney do? Advised him. Advising is not making decisions or moves it’s advising them. Sorry but you made my point even better. Thanks!
Your 46 years old with a 2nd grade reading comprehension…
I SHOWED…
1 – Rigney was hired to assit EISENHARDT
2 – EISENHARDT TOOK OVER GM DUTIES FROM MARTIN!
3 – SANDY TOOK ORDERS FROM EISENHARDT!
4 -RIGNEY taught Sandy!
5 Sandy credited RIGNEY with the transactions
6 – YOUR A FOOL!
He did NOT makie decisions Eienhardt and Rigney did!
And since Eisenhardt has said he never really questioned or over ruled his baseball guys that PROVES whatever Rigney said Sandy did and LEARNED how to build the team FROM RIGNEY!
YOU LOSE!
If you try and continue to claim your point was proven after that your just looking like a foolish little kid GUILTY of everything your buddy TRS accused me of!
I have ALL the proof, I got about 8 links worth of it you have two, One is a slideshow not even an article and the other doesn’t even talk about anything before 1991!
YOU GOT NOTHING! YOU PROVED NOTHING!
YOU LOSE!
Rigney assisted Eisenhardt, Eisenhardt fired Martin, he gave the GM duties to Sandy, Rigney advised Sandy and Sandy made decisions and moves with contributions from Rigney. Eisenhardt didn’t order Sandy to make any moves.Eisenhardt didn’t know anything about Baseball, that’s why he hired Sandy who learned about the game for 2 years until 1983 when he took over the GM and VP for Baseball Ops. Sandy said he contributed, he didn’t say Rigney made them or order them, he didn’t say Esienhardt ordered them he said Rigney contributed. You have reading comprehension difficulties it was in your llink. Contribute does not mean he made. Next.
“Rigney assisted Eisenhardt, Eisenhardt fired Martin, he gave the GM duties to Sandy”
Not ALL of them! He took over some of the duties Martin used to have!
Namely Player Evals and baseball matters which is why he hired Rigney to ASIST HIM Not Sandy!
Whats the matter didn’t you read the links? Or did the language go over your head?
Or is it as I suspect as you admitted in Chat that your just going to teach me a lesson like you told JoeyD!
LOL How is that working out for you?
YOU LOST!
I said I was giving you a taste of your own medicine, which I am. Never said I did anything to Joey D but no one ever got you mixed up with Honest Abe Lincoln now have they. You must miss the only guy who believes your bullshit, no one else believes you, so that’s why you’re crying for his return. Don’t worry you’ll get a newbie soon to believe you until he realizes how full of shit you are.
Back to Eisenhardt.
He hired Rigney to assist him and assist Sandy. He hired Sandy and put him in charge of Baseball Operations and be the GM to make baseball decisions. Rigney was the advisor as your link confirmed. He only contributed as Sandy gave him credit for. Rigney Contibuted. Sandy Makes.
“Under reorganization Eisenhardt plans to move in and assume some of the general manager’s duties which Martin also administered”
Which Duties did Martin do again? BASEBALL EVALS!
Guess what I’m gicing you a taste of your OWN medicine as well!
YOU HAVE NO PROOF!
Not a shred of evidence to back up what you say!
YOU LOST!
Hey Fraudsie! Since you bring up the chat in the shoutbox I had with Mr Met Maniac, I noticed you failed to mention a comment that was brought up in regards to your false claim/lie. How come you didn’t repeat when Maniac said your claim is ridiculous and he disagrees with you about it? Hmm? He thought it was ridiculous to think Alderson didn’t make baseball decisions from 83-92 when he was the GM and VP of baseball Ops. LMAO. What GM and VP of baseball operations doesn’t make decisions about baseball for 9 years? Hilarious. The more I think about it the more pathetic you become and that’s saying something.
Hey I thought you said to leave maniac out of this?
MY only mention was something he said about Jessup!
If he wants to be involved he is free to join in!
Since he is someone I actually respect enough to agree to disagree with!
Your just an idiot running off posters who thinks he is going to teach me a lesson! LOL
Well YOU got taught the lesson now didn’t you!
I found proof and you have NONE Just Maniac’s opinion that Sandy made some decisions!
He did after 1991 but that isn’t the time frame we are talking about now is it?
YOU LOST!
I have all the evidence and you don’t have a shred of proof to back up your assertion, The Slideshow just says he was GM when trades happen and Haas is talking post 1992!
So you NEVER post proof to backup your statemenjts…
Just like that guy you ran off the site!
You will NEVER get the last word in here and the only way to run me off the site is to get JoeD to ban me!
Good Luck with that!
The only decision Rigney made was were to tee off. Sandy made them and Rigney was the yes man as an advisor to the VP of baseball ops. Sorry you still have no hits. Sandy made a lot of moves for a guy who wasn’t involved at all. LMAO.
More statements by you that you can not back up with any fact…
Show a quote that says Rigney did not run Baseball Matters for the A’s!
And there must be proof the quote is talking about pre-1991 not post 1991!
So far you have yet to prove Rigney didn’t make decisions and I have showed a quote from Sandy himself that said he did!
Gave Rigney the credit for all of it and whatever Sandy has learned about managing and acquiring Talent for a baseball team!
YOU LOST because you have yet to provide a shred of evidence that backs up your statement!
Just like you claimed about JoeyD!
YOU LOST!
Your link was from duh 1982 and it showed that Rigney was hired in an advisory role. LMAO Sandy was hired in duh 1983 as GM and VP of baseball ops. Rigney was under him in the other link you gave. Rigney advised Sandy. He contributed to Sandy’s decisions. You proved it. Thanks for proving my point again. Obviously I can’t thank you enough. So I’ll just keep thanking you.
Fonzie I will ask you this time. Metsie keeps saying YOU LOST. What happens if you lose? What do you get if you win? Is this now a game show? How might one determine who the winner actually is and who the loser is? I know. The winner is the ones who don’t read all of this and the loser is the ones who did?
My Links span from 1982-1991!
Your span from 1993-Present!
All your links have showed is that Sandy was the GM (which we know doesn’t prove he made decisions on ALL trades anymore than McDonald decided to trade Seaver!
And somethig Haas said about 1992 chanpionship team.
None of your links speak or prove anything Pre 1991!
What do I win TRS?
I win the SATISFACTION of showing Fonzie that his attempts to badger someone and falsly claiming lack of evidence even when such evidence is present won’t work now or in the future!
I will also win the satisfaction of putting Fonzie into position to know what JoeyD felt like when he got sick and tired of the badgering and lto show him his tactic of just getting the last word is doesn’t mean he will get to claim victory and at the same time teach him that being a stubborn asshole doesn’t work because anyone can do it right back at him!
Remember the computer in War Games?
It had to play the game 1000 times before it realized the only winning move is not to play!
I’m WINNING because he is learning that lesson! His posts drops off from one an hour to two a day…
Eventually he will give up and then guess what!
It will be ingrained in his memory that his little antics won’t work and for fear of going through it again won’t try that on any other posters…Especially ones as polite as JoeyD!
He thought he was going to teach someone a lesson….
I hope he is learning it!
HE LOST! Because he now knows his crap isn’t going to fly and I will do to him whatever crap he thinks he can do to drive someone off the site!
Yes I do WIN What I win is a better placde in which to post and discuss baseball without idiots who are more interested in feeling good by badgering polite posters just because he doesn’t have the manhood without it to fell good about himself!
And if you don’t see why I’m doing this or think I’m wrong and Fonzie is right then your part of the problem not part of the solution to the arguments and insults around here !
TRS Nutsie says a lot of things, just things that aren’t true like the lie he’s trying to pass off here. You decide. It’s quite hilarious. He thinks the GM and VP of baseball operations wasn’t involved at all in baseball decisions for the first 9 years of his 15 year tenure. That’s George Carlin funny. The funniest part is his links proved my point.
OK I get what you guys are arguing about and obviously the truth lies in the middle. I am just trying to figure out what YOU LOST means. What did you lose? What happens if you lose? What do you get if you win?
Yeah you go right on thinking the guy with the proof is the liar!
“After the A’s won an American League pennant in 1988, then-A’s executive Sandy Alderson said, “When you talk about people who have contributed to our success, you have to single out Bill Rigney. His contributions have been enormous. He has been involved in every one of our player acquisitions since I came here in 1982. I’ve watched 600 or 700 games with Bill, and it’s been an education.”
GAME OVER! YOU LOST!
Your the only liar here denying credible evidence that shows Sandy wasn’t as influential as you claimed and even Sandy doesn’t claim what you have been lying about this entire thread!
And insisting the way you do and calling someone a liar when they have the PROOF is not going to work on me the way it did on JoeyD!
So your the only one lying here, You got no proof and no facts just a stubborn attitude and LIES!
And you are even losing the battle where you thought you were going to teach me a lesson by getting in the last word!
Cause I just did! And will if your still stupid enough to keep on going!
You lost the Alderson argument long ago…
And your going to lose the LESSON TEACHING battle as well!
Because the only one that will stop this is JoeD and I know him he will do it by stopping BOTH!
And then what victory or lesson will have been learned?
Note I haven’t pushed someone to leave the site…
You have! And there is a price to pay for that!
What it means simply TRS, is that his ploy didn’t work this time!
He was unsuccessful in playing the game he did to drive JoeyD off and getting me to leave as well!
I out stubborned him in his little ploy to teach me a lesson!
LMAO your link is 1982, Sandy GM VP baseball OPS 1983-1997 Rigney advised, when Sandy asked for advice. He contributed to Sandy’s decisions. You can’t change history. Your links proved my point, thanks again for playing.
Were the baseball America links that showed who reported to who from 1982?
OH you were so determined to ignore them you FORGOT about that proof which is just as damning as anyone else?
Did you also forget the link QUOTING from 1989 where Sandy credited Rigney for building the team?
Yes?
Here is a little reminder for the stubborn and ignorant…
“After the A’s won an American League pennant in 1988, then-A’s executive Sandy Alderson said, “When you talk about people who have contributed to our success, you have to single out Bill Rigney. His contributions have been enormous. He has been involved in every one of our player acquisitions since I came here in 1982. I’ve watched 600 or 700 games with Bill, and it’s been an education.”
Involved in EVERY ACQUISITION since 1982!
And EDUCATED SANDY!
PROOF that your point about Sandy building and making decisions is WRONG!
Sandy said so himself!
YOU LOST!
Sorry but lies don’t come true the more you say them. Your proof proved my case. Sandy made the decisions and unfortunately for you you can’t change the facts. Sorry.
Yep Lies don’t work which is why…
YOu LOST!
All you got is lies and no proof!
Great write up.
Great job Santana.
Awwww yeah.
Nice writeup Dave. There is only one Johan but there is lots of praise to spread around.
For Johan, for Josh on his return, what it could mean for the season, it feels like more than a no hitter. These guys are starting to believe.
Congrats on the no-no. Been a Mets fan a long time and was wondering if it ever would come! Great job and great teamwork on the defense too. Hope Baxter is ok!!
You know, before the game started, there was a poll on Metsblog asking who’s the greatest LHP in Mets history. The majority picked Jerry Koosman. With all due respect to Koosman, I think the honor should go to Johan. Not because of the no-hitter, but because of all the obstacles he has overcome just to get back here. Like I said before, this is the pinnacle of his comeback.
I’m hoping SNY has an encore of this game in it’s entirety because I definitely wanna watch this one again. LGM!
Don’t Mess With The Johan!!!
NO-han Santana!
It’s official, we’re winning the World Series this year.
To quote the Sign Man, Karl Ehrhardt, a long-time fixture at Shea, “THERE ARE NO WORDS”
Anyone else notice the XXX screw up by SNY…they decided to interview RAD next to the showers and there was a few naked asses walking around behind RAD’s head. I was pretty sure there was some junk on camera too…but I wasn’t going to watch that closely.
Johan said it all when he said this was for fans and team and that being part of Mets history was special to him.
Back to back complete games for Johan, what were the odds on that happening in June!
Thank You Johan…. :’)
I was unfortunately stuck in crazy traffic but I was listening on the radio. The funny thing is Jim (or it may have been Dan. Doesn’t matter they are both equally useless) was filling in for Josh. Between inning 2 through 5 he must have mentioned how Johan just didn’t have it and how even though he hadn’t given up a hit it was just a matter of time. This was not the day for him and how Johan was really battling himself. Talk about a reverse Mush.
I’m so glad we dont EVER have to heat about the non no-hitters anymore! Thank you Johan! By the way did he ever throw a pitch over 90mph in the game?
I just have to say, Johan Santana throws the 1st no hitter in team history and Metsie and Fonzie flame the thread with the same old Sandy Alderson BS.
Can we for once stop? It’s unreal, really.
And I’m sorry Metsie, but you need to chill the heck out on this site. You’re out of control lately.
Normally Jessep I ignore him but not this time. Like you said he’s out of control and I’m doing to him what he does to everybody else only I’m right and he can’t take it. BTW I’m still enjoying the hell out of these last 24 hours.
yeah you jjust ignore me….Like a Fly ignores a turd!
ROFLMAO!!!!
Giving you back what you gave JoeyD whats the matter tough guy can’t stand the heat and the LOSS because you are the one without facts and your accusation that no one else does is only due to the fact thats the only way you can convince yourself your right?
YOU LOSE!
No Jessup Fonzie is flaming the thread I’m just giving Fonzie what he gave JoeyD!
Get Fonzie to give up and stop posting and you will see there will not be another remark from me afterwards!
Well jessup you think I’m being bad report me to JoeD If not I could care less what YOUR opinion of me is considering how great your opinions on other subject has been so dead wrong and self indulgent!
You only have a problem with my actions because they are directed at showing you how wrong you were when you were calling everyone who didn’t buy your cheerleading as Insane and crazy!
I chewed you up and spit you out. Neither you or Joey have anything but speculation out of hate for a GM who was credited by his owner for building a WS winner. You can throw a million insults all night it won’t make your lying come true.
No you just kept puking up garbage and had no facts and then played stupid trying to say the facts that were presented were lies…
Lies with LINKS!
ROFLMAO!
YOU LOSE!
Metsie…you are 50 years old and using “ROFLMAO” and “YOU LOSE!” like you have accomplished something worthwhile? Let us all bow to the internet prowess that is Messie..er Metsie. Wow pops…just wow. You are not shit, and you know it. You type words just like everyone else here. Big whoop. It does NOT (capitalization for Bay) make you special or smarter than anyone else. Your not quite the tool that Bayonne is, but you are approaching his status. not great company, pops. not great at all.
Ahh and let the IP spoofing begin!
You only seem to come around when Fonzie is in trouble!
It will be sad a year or two from now to look back on this post of when the Mets tossed their first no-hitter only to find that out of the 100+ comments, only a dozen of them had anything to do with this historic achievement. Sad and pathetic by all parties involved.
Yes it is Brian but then again it will be saved for posterity when it is noted who brought the topic up in the first place because he is more interested in complaining and bullying posters than he is in discussing the team called the Mets!
Fonzie13 June 2, 2012 at 12:19 am .
Funny how this loser calls anybody other than himself childish and idiotic. This knucklehead hates Alderson so much he goes as far as saying Alderson wasn’t the guy making the moves in Oakland from 1983 to 1992. This dude is so full of shit he believes his own lies.
Thats the post that ruined this thread and if he didn’t bring it up I certainly wouldn’t have!
This is what I said to Joey D and the liar that Metsie is tries to call it badgering him.
Fonzie13 May 30, 2012 at 8:09 pm .
I wish for once you would back up your opinion with some facts about the decision making process. It’s a front office just like any other where they make decisions based on information gathered by the entire staff. He’s not just here to dole out contracts and make sure players aren’t rushed. You’ve been trying to pass this off as fact since you got here but never provided anything but your own speculation.
Now that was one mean and nasty comment that would force anybody to leave the site for good.
Here’s my 2nd comment in response to Joeys reply.
Fonzie13 May 31, 2012 at 7:56 pm .
He was hired in 1983 to be GM not in 1984. He was legal counsil from 81-83. I never said he scouted, I said he makes personnel decisions like any other GM. He didn’t evaluate the players picked, he made the decision to pick the players that the scouts evaluated. IE, instead of player A I’m going with Player B based on Player B’s power or batter eye, plate discipline, on base ability, etc…
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Metsie May 31, 2012 at 8:02 pm .
Here is your proof….
http://www.baseballamerica.com/execdb/?show=team&fid=oak&year=1988
Bill Rigney – Assistant to the President, (reports directly to the president not Sandy) Baseball Matters
Sandy had no say!
Want more proof? Repost that link you were so proud of finding where Sandy said he kept quiet and listened when he
And this was Metsie reply to me which shows how this started. And again Metsie caught in his usual daily dose of bullshit.
Oh and if you haven’t noticed none of what you posted as starting it had anything to do with this thread about Johan’s No Hitter!
You just decided to attack me for mentioning what everyone is STILL talking about (a foul call) because you are all about ATTACKING posters and it was more important to bring up a subject you ignorantly think you won hoping to embarass me!
Well who is emabassed now Loser?
Who has provided the mountain of proof regarding how the A’s were run?
Me with all my links or you with a slideshow and quote from after 1992?
Show your proof he made a decision not proof he was a GM because proving he was a GM doesn’t mean he had final decision anymore than mcDonald had final say in what to do about Seaver!
YOU LOST!
Yep, you provided a mountain of evidence that shows Sandy ran the A’s with Rigney contributing. Good job proving my point.
Facts:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/execdb/?show=team&fid=oak&year=1983
Notice all the lists have Rigney underneath Sandy and the were both the baseball end, while Eisenhardt was the legal and marketing end. Just like I said, Rigney consulted the GM, check functions baseball operations, Sandy was in charge of? Baseball operations. Thank you.
Notice on all the lists who Rigney reports to!
Also notice who is above Sandy on the List!
As I said to you time and time again!
Eisenhardt took over GM duties from Martin and All Martin did was Player Evals!
Rigney was Eisenhardt’s assistant!
Eisenhardt rarely overruled his baseball assistant!
There fore Rigney gets the credit for the evals and Eisenhardt made the desicion!
You keep trying to misquote me as saying Rigney made the decisions…I have never said that!
Eisenhardt made those decisions based on what Rigney told himk to do!
NOT SANDY!
YOU LOST!
Facts:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/execdb/?show=team&fid=oak&year=1984
Again the lists have Rigney underneath Sandy and the were both the baseball end, while Eisenhardt was the legal and marketing end. Just like I said, Rigney consulted the GM, check functions baseball operations, Sandy was in charge of? Baseball operations. Thank you.
Eisenhardt
Sandy
You Lost!
FACTS:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/execdb/?show=team&fid=oak&year=1985
1985 Sandy
Rigney
Eisenhardt
then Sandy!
Rigney reported to Eisenhardt NOT Sandy!
“Under reorganization Eisenhardt plans to move in and assume some of the general manager’s duties which Martin also administered Rigney fits that mold perfectly.
You LOST!
FACT:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/execdb/?show=team&fid=oak&year=1986
1986 Sandy
Rigney
Eisenhardt
then Sandy!
Rigney reported to Eisenhardt NOT Sandy!
You LOST!
FACT:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/execdb/?show=team&fid=oak&year=1987
1987 Sandy
Rigney
And again I will say No it says…
Eisenhardt
then Sandy!
Rigney reported to Eisenhardt NOT Sandy!
You LOST!
FACT:
regarding team Development:
Eisenhardt said he was counting on Rigney to bolster the team’s player development.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2209&dat=19821027&id=sqMrAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rvwFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2503,7278997
Regarding the Oakland A’s Management structure and how Eisenhardt Seperated the powers that ran Baseball from the Business:
http://newspaperarchive.com/tyrone-daily-herald/1982-10-21/page-6
Under reorganization Eisenhardt plans to move in and assume some of the general manager’s duties which Martin also administered (Martin ran Baseball Only, Business was seperate as I have showed) Rigney fits that mold perfectly since he is a former big league manager and currently is under contract to the California Angels as an advisor to president.
Fact 1982 Pre Alderson GM and VP. Fact 1983 Alderson GM and VP .
FACT that doesn’t mean he made any decisions regarding Players!
He had a title not power!
McDonald was the GM too did he make the decision on Seaver?
SO much for the HE was a GM so he Decided Defense!
YOU LOST!
Got anything else to prove he made decisions?
NOPE you got nothing and never once back up a thing you say!
FACT:
Regarding who was running the team:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19821027&id=OzgzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ezIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=2375,6436716
Bill Rigney who in his long baseball career has served at every level of the game, Tuesday was named as an assistant to president Roy Eisenhardt of the Oakland A’s
In making the announcement, Eisenhardt said Rigney will go to work for the A’s immediatly and take part in the selection of a manager to replace Billy Martin
NOTE: Sandy was named GM but did not DECIDE who was going to be the manager!
FACT:
And Finally Sandy saying who was the key to building that franchise and who taught him whatever it is he knows and who should get the credit for the WS team:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/02/21/SP186011.DTL&ao=all
After the A’s won an American League pennant in 1988, then-A’s executive Sandy Alderson said, “When you talk about people who have contributed to our success, you have to single out Bill Rigney. His contributions have been enormous. He has been involved in every one of our player acquisitions since I came here in 1982. I’ve watched 600 or 700 games with Bill, and it’s been an education.”
Yep those are all lies from LYING SOURCES (Incl Sandy Alderson himself that big fat Liar) and your evidence is what again? A quote from Haas sometime after 1992 and a slideshow that mentions Sandy’s Ttitle when trades were made but says nothing about who decided to make them?
Yeah there is a lot of lying going on…And your the one doing it!
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It still says the same thing it said yestersay. Rigney contributed. He was involved. Yes I know. He contributed to the decsions Sandy made. He was involved in Sandy’s decisions. How many times do I have to thank you for proving my point?
He picked the new Manager not the GM, He didn’t report to Sandy so Sandy didn’t get ADVICE he got TOLD by who Rigney reported to!
You have no point! You have no evidence just the liar liar pants on fire defense and as a result!
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Sandy did it all, Haas said so, Eisenhardt cut checks and admitted to never 2nd guess his baseball people. Sandy with advisement from Rigney built one helluva team. Eisnhardt Signed the contract.s, Sandy hired LaRussa. Your evidenced proved everything I claimed. No need to keep taking credit for it, I already thanked you plenty for proving my point.
Nope aas was talking about 1992! If you think otherwise show the proof he was talking about the World Series team. Sandy says Rigney was the guy who gets the credit. Sandy didn’t decide on who was the manager, Rigney reported to Eisenhardt, Eisenhardt took over Baseball GM duties from Martin and what he and Rigney decided Sandy was ordered to do!
I have the proof of everthing I just said, and you have no proof whatsoever!
Not a single link that says Sandy decided anything before 1991!
Just an assumption, But I have proof that Rigney decided who the manager was going to be and reported to Sandy’s boss not Sandy!
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Got proof Haas was talking about pre 92? Nope. Doesn’t exist does it. Haas was talking about Sandy’s tenure 83-97. Sandy didn’t say Rigney gets the credit he said contributed. Contributed to Sandy’s decisions. Proven by your own evidence. Sandy hired Bill Guyton in 1985 and said Sandy’s the boss. He’s the one who changed the GM position. That was 85. It’s in the link. Your links continue to prove my case. I’m sorry you wasted countless hours researching everything for nothing. All that work just to reiterate what I’ve been saying. I must say Eisenhardt did a hell of a marketing job. Oaklands attendance figures were excellent. Try and get some sleep now. I notice you didn’t post the link that showed Sandy hiring LaRussa. Interesting. You already showed all that proof that made my case I wonder why you decided not to add more since you’re ass backwards.
Do you have proof he was talking about Pre-1991?
NOPE!
Prove Sandy made a single decision! I showed how Rigney made the decision on who was going to be the Manager after Martin, Not Sandy!
SO I have an example of Rigney making a decision and you got squat becauase you never back up anything you say with fact!
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Fact Rigney contributed. Fact Contributed to Sandy’s decisions. Dick Bogard and Walt Jocketty contributed too. Fact
FACT!
“Under reorganization Eisenhardt plans to move in and assume some of the general manager’s duties which Martin also administered. Rigney fits that mold perfectly since he is a former big league manager and currently is under contract to the California Angels as an advisor to president.”
Eisenhardt took over Baseball decisions from Martin (NOT SANDY) Rigney reported to Eisenhardt (Not Sandy)
Sandy didn’t decide a thing!
Prove he did!
You got nothing and We are all sick and tired of you making claims without a shred of evidence to back up what you say!
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June 16, 1985|ROSS NEWHAN | Times Staff Writer http://articles.latimes.com/1985-06-16/sports/sp-2825_1_bill-rigney
“He carries a six-handicap on the golf course and the title of “Assistant to the President, Baseball Matters” with the Oakland A’s, an involved consultant to President Roy Eisenhardt and General Manager Sandy Alderson.”
An involved… consultant.
Just as I thought a consultant was Rigney. LMAO. 1985
FACT!
“Under reorganization Eisenhardt plans to move in and assume some of the general manager’s duties which Martin also administered. Rigney fits that mold perfectly since he is a former big league manager and currently is under contract to the California Angels as an advisor to president.”
Eisenhardt took over Baseball decisions from Martin (NOT SANDY) Rigney reported to Eisenhardt (Not Sandy)
Sandy didn’t decide a thing!
He carries a six-handicap on the golf course and the title of “Assistant to the President, Baseball Matters” with the Oakland A’s, an involved consultant to President Roy Eisenhardt and General Manager Sandy Alderson.
Rigney was an involved consultant. Sandy ran the baseball end, Roy ran the business end He contributed to Sandy’s decisions. Sandy
Rigney
Bogard
Jocketty
Nope Eisenhardt ran Baseball I proved that, Rigney reported to Eisenhardt!
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You proved my case. Thanks again
Your a liar!
Martin Ran baseball only not business!
Eisenhardt took over some of Martin’s GM duties! NOT BUSINESS!
Eisenhardt hired Rigney to help him make those choices!
Sandy ran the business and the say to day paperwork and reports!
NOT DECISIONS!
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Martin ran baseball until Sandy fired him. Then Sandy ran baseball until he quit in 97. Rigney consulted Sandy and Roy. Rigney contributed to Sandy’s decisions. I doubt though that Rigney consulted Eisenhardts marketing decisions.
Prove Sandy made the decision to fire him not Eisenhardt!
If not you are making a statement with no proof to back up what you say!
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Here’s your proof Alderson fired Martin. He wasn’t even the GM yet but he wielded the hammer in that organization. Hmm as early as 1982, Sandy was given the power. Note- Rigney did not fire Martin, Sandy did. I wonder if Rigney contributed or consulted. LMAO.
Youso full it it…
If Sandy wielded the Hammer then why was Rigney hired to find the next manager and not Sandy?
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19821027&id=OzgzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ezIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=2375,6436716
Bill Rigney who in his long baseball career has served at every level of the game, Tuesday was named as an assistant to president Roy Eisenhardt of the Oakland A’s
In making the announcement, Eisenhardt said Rigney will go to work for the A’s immediatly and take part in the selection of a manager to replace Billy Martin
Seems like Sandy lost his hammer the second Rigney was hired now doesn’t it?
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http://athletics.scout.com/2/1153789.html
Why is Jose Canseco saying Sandy built the 89 A’s. Hmmm interesting, no mention of Rigney or Eisnehardt building the team. Oh yeah Rigney contributed, I forgot.
All he said was guys were brought in he didn’t say Sandy decided on who that was!
Just more ASSUMPTION that Sandy decided anything at the time!
No proof from you as usual!
You got nothing not a single shred of proof to backup your statements!
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/03/22/SPOI1IG59T.DTL&feed=rss.athletics
According to the beat writer Sandy wielded the hammer. No debating wether or not Rigney contributed to Sandy’s decisions.
“At this time, we were only vaguely familiar with Alderson. We knew he was a bright guy out of Dartmouth and an ex-Marine, but we saw him merely as an adviser, an underling without any real power.”
Thank you for proving what I said!
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http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/11448/original-as-analyst-discusses-alderson
What’s this? Sandy hired Eric Walker in 1983 and Walker says Gasp huh make no mistake about it Sandy is in charge. What, Rigney is not in charge? Gasp, Eisenhardt? Gasp, no it’s Sandy.
He was a STAT COMPILER!
No one ever said Sandy didn’t run the paperwork side of the baseball OPERATIONS.
But those stats were brought to Rigney and Eisenhardt for final approval and decisions!
Sorry you only proved my point once again!
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It should also be pointed out that a lot of what this guy says is about the Moneyball years…When did they start? Oh yeah thats right 1995!
You prove my point again and as a result
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Sorry guys, but due to popular demand… I hereby declare these Olympic games closed.