Comments on: No One Can Have Just One (No-Hitter)

By: Metfan Lou

Metfan Lou — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:36:58 +0000

Or you could just call it a “cheap trick.”

By: Prismo

Prismo — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:16:48 +0000

Another point with the controversial appeal: I’m about 99% certain that Terry and the Mets did so KNOWING that it will not be overturned. They just did it as a gesture to Dickey. No harm, no foul. Some of you truly turn molehills into mountains in the neverending quest to desecrate the Mets’ image.

By: Prismo

Prismo — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:10:42 +0000

Not hypocritical – two different scenarios. The issue in the No-han game was a call made by an *umpire* while the issue in last night’s game was a call made the *scorer*. Umpire calls pretty much never get overturned, while scorer calls get overturned somewhat frequently. Also, even if they were exactly the same play, so what? Do you think the Mets should have challenged the call in Johan’s no-no to give the other team a double? That’s just silly.

All that said, I see absolutely no way the “hit” is overturned. Would be too big of a deal, easier for MLB to just leave it as-is.

By: stick

stick — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:59:41 +0000

might be a travesty, but there is no rule that allows them to go back and change ump rulings after the game is over. Andit makes sense. Say they decide Beltran got a hit. What do they do, bring everyone back, put him on 2nd, and replay the rest of the game?

By: stick

stick — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:57:25 +0000

Keep in mind that this is not the same as last year (gallarahga) or Johan. Those were umpire judgement calls, and NOT reviewable. Plus, you can’t change them retroactively, because how do you go back and change what happened after that? The Detroit game was the last play, but if you give beltran a hit now, doesn’t he have to go to 2nd base?

In Dickey’s case, it was a scorer’s decision. No impact at all to the game, subsequent plays, the score, etc. So yes, this can, and often is, looked at afterwards and changes are made.

To that point, I saw in the paper this AM that MLB made a change to the scoring in the Phils game from a few days back. They originally gave a guy a hit on a ball to 2B, but afterwards changed it to an error,so Worley’s ERA went down (along with some guys BA).

so yes, they do often change scoring decisions after the fact. may not happen here, but it is not uncommon, and it is nothing like trying to change an umps decision that impacts game flow after the fact. And if the “error” had been on a bang bang play at first, they would not have asked for a review.

By: SaltyGary

SaltyGary — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:41:06 +0000

Good point on last years blown call. That was a travesty MLB knew it but wanted to be the stubborn child. Luckily there was a great moment the next day between the ump and the pitcher.

By: Des

Des — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:31:00 +0000

jessep — There’s no need for you to ask such intelligent questions. Maybe though, Johan and RA could circumvent the issue. All Johan has to do is give RA his no hitter ball in exchange for RA’s one hitter ball. Life is simple. Anybody want to bet what Johan would do?

By: srt

srt — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:28:02 +0000

I think we have the same mindset here on this.

I don’t expect that play to be changed and don’t really care if it’s not. In fact, I’d probably prefer it not be changed. I just have no problem with the Mets asking on RA’s behalf.

By: jessep

jessep — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:25:56 +0000

Sorry if Gallaraga’s Perfect Game wasn’t over turned by an obvious blown call, this won’t be.

Plus what would they do? Put Dickey on the mound in Tampa so the team can celebrate lol….

As Ferris Bueller said “It’s over, Go Home.”

By: SaltyGary

SaltyGary — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:15:46 +0000

I’m with ya. Moment is gone and would there be a real big moment seeing a run scored? It was a amazing game to watch and will all predicting doom and gloom for the season (I only thought 68 wins) this season has been a joy. Just walk away and enjoy the win.

By: Gina

Gina — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:14:58 +0000

Yeah, I think the appeal is bogus. Dickey pitched a phenomenal game that will be long remembered. Lets leave it at that.

By: jessep

jessep — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:14:15 +0000

srt: Don’t get me wrong, I don’t have a problem with Terry Collins doing this. If he feels it is what he needs to do in order to have RA’s back, so be it.

Lets be honest again, we benefited from a blown call 2 weeks ago. So as a FAN I have a problem with other FANS complaining about an error/hit call PLUS taking this opportunity to show how much they truly hate the team’s best player.

Here is a question I’d pose to fans who want this changed.

If MLB said they will change it but they also will change Johan’s no hitter, would you accept it?

Just move on, the game happened… RA has the ability to do this again. Worry about the game on June 14th.

By: Donal

Donal — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:11:15 +0000

Exactly. The Mets won. We all know Dickey dominated and has been having a great season. If they give him the no hitter on appeal, it will just feel cheap.

By: Metfan Lou

Metfan Lou — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:03:18 +0000

There is something seriously wrong with the appeal and it has a lot to do with our entitlement society and this appeal sucks. Why didn’t the Cardinals (if they could) appeal Beltran’s supposedly missed call, why do professional golfers when they discover a mistake on their scorecard turn themselves in and forfeit a major tournament, why does a persona walk away from a slot machine and the next person pulls the lever and wins 10 grand. Why because it’s called life and rules. You play by the rules and if you cry, get the hell off the field. You have official scorers and umpires for a reason. Oh I know let’s just have the fans call the plays by holding up cards. I guess I hate whiners. I guess it goes back to my ‘Nam days when whiners could get you killed and your buddies too. Get over it. The game is official and no you are not entitled to A DO OVER. PERIOD.

By: srt

srt — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:01:14 +0000

I can’t disagree with any of your points here.
I think it’s more the TC having his player’s back, which he’s done so well since he’s been here.
As I said, I don’t expect anything to change on this but the effort on the Mets part for RA is nice to see.

By: Angelo

Angelo — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:56:37 +0000

Just downloading the Cain game, unreal , congrats to him

By: Angelo

Angelo — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:54:39 +0000

you are one nice guy jessep , most important thing is, its a win , LGM

By: jessep

jessep — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:54:36 +0000

Plus just as a side note… the Mets asking for a review is a tad hypocritical. I get why they wanna do it for RA but what does giving him a no hitter a day later do for RA?

The moment is gone.

If the Cardinals asked for a review of Beltran’s foul ball and they took away Johan’s no hitter, we’d all be screaming about how you can’t alter the decision after the fact.

Didn’t Ray Knight have an error which cost Doc a no hitter but it was ruled a hit?

By: jessep

jessep — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:52:15 +0000

Maybe its just me but I don’t really care either way. A no hitter after the fact really doesn’t bring anybody back to the moment…

I love how people on this site cannot help but to bring their HATRED for the best player on their “FAVORITE” team to the table in this discussion. It’s not about a potential error, its about who made the error that bothers them.

The Mets whether we as fans like it or not, benefited from a blown call just 2 weeks ago to give the Mets a no hitter in a moment we ALL will never forget.

I’ll take that moment, take this one as a little baseball karma and move on.

By: Angelo

Angelo — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:47:17 +0000

i agree , no problem to just ask for a review . LGM