Despite Young’s Solid Start, Late Yankee Rally Dooms Mets 4-3

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• Satish Ram June 23, 2012 at 10:58 pm

  http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120623&content_id=33808346&notebook_id=33808350&vkey=notebook_nym&c_id=nym

  ^ Funny story about Byrdak’s adopted chicken to humor the clubhouse based on Frankie’s comments.
  • METS62FAN June 24, 2012 at 9:55 am

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• Bayonne Mets Fan June 23, 2012 at 11:04 pm

  All Chris Young does for this team is pitch well every single time out, I can’t remember if he even had a bad start last year in the limited time he pitched. I would have left him in too so I can’t second guess the move. Murphy’s ball probably would’ve been out of Yankee Stadium – just get ‘em tomorrow.
• Joey D. June 23, 2012 at 11:17 pm

  In the seventh inning with a runner on second and nobody out, David hit a weak grounder to the right side advancing the runner. I gather the decision was to get the tying run on third with one out for Duda and Murphy because David did not seem to take a full cut but rather a poke at the ball to slice it in that direction

  Though a fly would have then scored the tying run from third I think this was the wrong call by Terry. We already had a runner in scoring position and TC took the bat out of the hands of our best hitter and handing the Yankees an extra out at the same time — a gift I think Joe Girardi gladly accepted. With our bullpen woes and the Yankee power, this was not the time to try and scratch out a run. David’s job is to drive in runs – not to get them across to third.

  Know it’s easy for a fan to play manager but am I wrong to second guess TC in this case?
  • Bayonne Mets Fan June 23, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    You’re assuming Collins made that call though. I highly doubt Terry Collins told David Wright to just make contact and move the runner over. Absolutely not.

    Whatever happened that AB was the doing of the hitter. I do not think the manager told the team’s number 3 hitter to move the runner over.
    • Joey D. June 24, 2012 at 12:16 am

      Hi Bayonne,

      The reason I lean toward it being a call from the dugout is that otherwise this would mean it was a move David took upon himself and so he went against the manager. It didn’t appear Wright took a full swing on a pitch he hoped to drive to the opposite field resulting in a poor at-bat.

      It seemed he was intent on sacrificing himself to move the runner over. If he was, and if it wasn’t Terry’s call, then David should be reprimanded behind closed doors unless it really was just a poor at bat.
      • Bayonne Mets Fan June 24, 2012 at 12:26 am

        Going against the manager?
        What’s he going against the manager for?
        If the manager didn’t call anything or say anything to you then there’s nothing to disobey.

        ?????

        He just took his AB and did what he felt he had to do. Personally i just think he grounded out weakly in an important spot like he usually does
        • Joey D. June 24, 2012 at 1:16 am

          Hi Bayonne,

          With a runner on base, the manager always sends a signal on what he wants done on each pitch depending upon the game situation. So it comes down to fourpossibilities:

          1) Terry gave David the hit sign and it was a bad at bat.
          2) Terry gave David the sign to advance the runner, which was a bad call.
          3) Terry did not give David the sign to advance the runner but David took it upon himself to do so going against the manager.
          4) Terry left the decision to David depending upon how he felt about the pitch.

          Again, looking at the way David held back a bit on his swung it seems his goal was to advance the runner to third (#2). I don’t think Terry did not have a definitive plan as suggested in #4 for he is paid to make the decisions, not his players.

          I felt we lost the game with both that at-bat and Rauch’s pitch that led to another Yankee chicken-type home run.
          • Bayonne Mets Fan June 24, 2012 at 2:24 am

            Terry Collins didn’t tell his number 3 hitter to do ANYTHING. If Wright felt he had to move that runner over than it was a terrible decision on his part.

            Terry Collins had nothing to do with David Wright’s AB.

            This doesn’t call for a filibuster.

            Terry Collins had nothing to do with David Wright’s AB

            And what kind of comment is the manager is paid to make decisions not his players?
            What does that mean? Does terry give a sign to Ike Davis with the bases loaded? Or is Ike Davis on his own?

            Let’s just stop okay? This is silly
            • Joey D. June 24, 2012 at 11:05 am

              Hi Bayonne,

              Bases loaded situation is different than a runner on second with nobody out down by a run in the seventh. As we saw, a strategic decision was made to advance the runner to third and not try to drive him in with a hit. The runner on second also has to know what play is going on too.
              • oleosmirf June 24, 2012 at 11:13 am

                how about the more likely scenario that while attempting to make a hit, he instead, made an out?
                • Bayonne Mets Fan June 24, 2012 at 11:34 am

                  Jesus Christ these guys turn a simple thread into 200 comments all over a guy grounding out in a terrible AB.

                  He said the Manager called it and that’s BSing. You can say in your OPINION the manager called it but to come out here and blatantly say Terry Collins told his number 3 hitter to move the runner over is just plain ridiculous.
                  • Metsie June 24, 2012 at 11:59 am

                    If he wanted the runner moved over he would have put on the bunt, You don’t need a sign to tell a guy to move a runner over as it’s expected he knows thats what he is supposed to do without being told.

                    So I agree much ado bout nothin here.

                    Wright simply got fooled on a pitch, thought it was a fastball, was a breaking ball, got ahead in his swing and rolled over on it.
                  • Bayonne Mets Fan June 24, 2012 at 2:26 pm

                    Leaders don’t jog on groundballs, jog on the bases, choke in big spots and shrink the more important the games get, and he’s not a very smart player too. He’s just a good hitter with rare occasional moments in the sun thats it. Derek Jeter may be the enemy but he is a definite leader and if you have kids you point to Derek Jeter when you want to talk about playing the game the correct way and leading by EXAMPLE not designation. And Derek Jeter would have the smarts to know that it’s his job to get a hit and drive in a run with a runner on 2nd and not do something stupid like a number 3 hitter sacrificing himself to move a runner on 2nd over – if in fact Wright did decide to do that and if he did – boy oh boy he’s dumber than i thought.

                    That’s different than stating Terry Collins told Wright to move the runner over. That’s just false and he should have said in his OPINION, so forth. I’m not in the dugout but i can see the way David Wright plays the game and his past performance he’s no leader. He may be some kind of leader to some of these band of over achievers (even though he shouldn’t be because of the way he plays) but don’t tell the starting pitching that.
              • Bayonne Mets Fan June 24, 2012 at 11:32 am

                and that decision was made by David Wright and not the manager. Stop with nonsense already. You blatantly said Terry Collins made the decision and you were wrong. You’re not in the dugout and instead you should have gave it as your OPINION.

                Enough already PLEASE. This is SILLY.
                • Kay June 24, 2012 at 11:54 am

                  When you are on a blog with fans it’s implied that it is his opinion, does it really have to be said?

                  Just like the other day when you said “Naturally David Wright is not a leader”, clearly that is your opinion, not fact, since you’re not in the clubhouse and others are not in the dugout.

                  It is MY opinion, that he tried to get a hit and it just didn’t work out as planned, but it can certainly be talked to death, since that never happened around here.
                  • Bayonne Mets Fan June 24, 2012 at 12:07 pm

                    As usual this mongrel does what she does best and is her only contribution to this site and that’s reacting to people she doesn’t like
                    Please go back and make a tuna casserole and stay out of it – those are 2 entirely different things. I’m talking about game strategy.

                    Taking the liberty to say Terry Collins told Wright to move the runner over is different than me saying Wright is no leader – which he is NOT.

                    Stay the HELL out of my conversations because you make me puke so go back and do what you do best whatever the hell it is you mutt
                  • Kay June 24, 2012 at 12:18 pm

                    Still incapable of having a counterpoint without insults and disgusting language. What’s the matter, do I emasculate you? lol

                    When you take ownership of this site you can then tell people what they can and cannot reply to, until then, too bad.

                    I did post a baseball opinion on what happened, sorry you’re too ignorant and lack reading comprehension to understand.
                  • oleosmirf June 24, 2012 at 2:10 pm

                    say what you want Bayonne, but she’s absolutely right here.

                    Although not as ridiculous a proposition, saying that David Wright is not a leader as a matter of fact, when you have never stepped foot in the dugout or in the clubhouse follows the same logic as well.
                  • Bayonne Mets Fan June 24, 2012 at 2:27 pm

                    Actually my post above goes down here:

                    Leaders don’t jog on groundballs, jog on the bases, choke in big spots and shrink the more important the games get, and he’s not a very smart player too. He’s just a good hitter with rare occasional moments in the sun thats it. Derek Jeter may be the enemy but he is a definite leader and if you have kids you point to Derek Jeter when you want to talk about playing the game the correct way and leading by EXAMPLE not designation. And Derek Jeter runs hard on ground balls and would have the smarts to know that it’s his job to get a hit and drive in a run with a runner on 2nd and not do something stupid like a number 3 hitter sacrificing himself to move a runner on 2nd over – if in fact Wright did decide to do that and if he did – boy oh boy he’s dumber than i thought.

                    That’s different than stating Terry Collins told Wright to move the runner over. That’s just false and he should have said in his OPINION, so forth. I’m not in the dugout but i can see the way David Wright plays the game and his past performance he’s no leader. He may be some kind of leader to some of these band of over achievers (even though he shouldn’t be because of the way he plays) but don’t tell the starting pitching that.
                  • Metsie June 24, 2012 at 2:44 pm

                    Who says leadership only happens in the dugout and the clubhouse?
                    It’s needed on the field as much if not more than those two places!

                    There was never any doubt who was leading this team in 86!
                    Hernandez was it and he did it as much on the field as in the dugout!
                    You could see it!

                    You think Wright is a leader the way Hernandez was?

                    If not then he’s not as much a leader as you guys assume he is!

                    And by the same token saying he doesn’t know cause he is not there in the clubhouse works both ways doesn’t it?
                    Your not there either so your assumtion that he is leading them is just as invalid!

                    David is leading because he is the only one left anyone can turn to!

                    And while he is probably doing it as best as he can he is not a leader in the sense of a Hernandez or Carter was and thats what this team needs.
                  • Bayonne Mets Fan June 24, 2012 at 2:58 pm

                    “David is leading because he is the only one left anyone can turn to!

                    And while he is probably doing it as best as he can he is not a leader in the sense of a Hernandez or Carter was and thats what this team needs.”

                    I think that explains it best.

                    And also we hear the Wright leader talk pop up every single season and what happens every single season? The players flock to someone else. Happened last year when they went to Beltran and not Wright and it happens every year. And also these people who claim you have to be in the dugout to be able to notice that can’t tell that maybe Wright is not as popular among his team mates as other players. Do they know that? NO. Do I know that? NO but it’s my guess because why else would the players look for leadership from someone else every single season?
          • oleosmirf June 24, 2012 at 8:23 am

            talk about over-analyzing. Geeze…
    • Metsie June 24, 2012 at 12:21 am

      no but he may have put the hit and run on…
      did that a lot tonite!
      • Joey D. June 24, 2012 at 1:32 am

        Hi Metsie,

        Do you really think he put on the hit and run with nobody out? To me that would even be worse than ordering David to simply advance the runner.

        With a runner in scoring position and nobody out trailing by one, a hit and run play would be way too risky. If David misses the pitch or pulls an inside one, the runner could have made the first out at third. It would also be unnecessary for if David was told to hit to the right side the second baseman wouldn’t throw to third in that situation anyway.
        • Metsie June 24, 2012 at 11:35 am

          Well Joey, you suggested it was a sign given, if a sign was given thats the only one it would be…
          There is no sign to move the runner over, other than putting on the bunt sign.
          So aside from a Hit and Run or a Bunt there was no sign that could be made from the dugout.

          What is the most logical thing to assume is that he thought he was getting a fastball got a breaking ball instead and rolled over on it.
  • Donal June 24, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Look, I get we all think Terry makes some questionable in-game decisions, but I sincerely doubt he’d take the bat out of the hands of a guy hitting .361 with a .574 SLG.

    Wright chased a hard sinker and got on top of it. That is what happened.
• Mr North Jersey June 23, 2012 at 11:21 pm

  I can’t get on Collins for sticking with Young tonight up to when he did. Young was pitching shutout ball gave up a leadoff walk and then a ball that Duda misread and it dropped in for a hit. Giving Young a chance to at least get Ibanez out was ok with me. It just in this case was the 1 mistake Young made all night and it cost him 3 runs.

  I also while disappointed can’t get too mad at Rauch who had started to pitch better of late for giving up an opposite field HR to Chavez that barely got over the wall.

  My disappointment is in Wright’s at bat tonight in the bottom of the 7th. He needed to pick up the pitching and get Spin home from 2b there. He moved the runner over but right there you wanted to see him pick those guys up.

  You really couldn’t expect to sweep the Yanks and when outside of your starter you can only muster 2 runs well it is that much harder to win.

  If they win 2morrow and take 2 out of 3 I’ll be good with that.

  Dickey on the hill 2morrow night. Hope the weather calls for clear skies.

  LGM!
  • Joey D. June 24, 2012 at 12:19 am

    Hi North,

    Agree with you about TC making the right move and keeping Young in the game at that point for he would have noticed if his pitcher was starting to run out of gas. It just didn’t work out.

    Very disappointed about tonight but another great performance from R.A. tomorrow evening is all that I will need to cheer myself up – of course, unless he is on the short end of a 1-0 or 2-1 contest.
• Metsie June 24, 2012 at 12:18 am

  We need to stop second guessing Collins anytime he makes a move to replace or stay with a starter.

  Yes I know our record in games when the starter goes 7 is impressive and when we go to the pen before then it’s horrible but that has nothing to do with the decision Collins made and everything to do with in the few cases where a starter had enough left to start the 7th that was one less crappy bullpen arm we had to use to go out there and blow the game for us!

  I bet we are undefeated in games where the starter goes 9 but that doesn’t mean Collins should keep his starters in till then does it?

  There certainly was nothing wrong with sending Young back out there tonite and the truth is under normal circumstances if he had not and the pen gave up the runs instead we would all be complaining about him not sending himout there instead.

  The issue isn’t that Collins has a quick hook nor is it that he leaves the starters in one inning too many.

  The problem is his options to go to are nil and none.

  When your faced with a choice of bad or worse there is no way to make a good decision.
  So we should get off Terry’s back on this leave him in pull him quick evaluations because lets face it no matter which way he goes if he has less than a 5 run lead at the time chances are likely it will be a one run ball game no matter what he does!

  Blame the Bats today for not doing enough.
  Young did his bit, ran out of gas…
  Rauch well he is 3-7 and only getting paid 3 Mil for a damn good reason.

  You can’t Pitch Parnell and Bautista everynight! Someone else in that pen needs to step up or step out or Terry will never be able to make a smart move just make bets on who will give up less runs the tired starter or the crappy even when rested pen!
  • Bobby June 24, 2012 at 1:59 am

    Agree completely Metsie!
• gary s. June 24, 2012 at 12:22 am

  These kind of losses will cost us any shot for a poss wild card this year,Rauch should be released and either Hampson or Edgin should be promoted from Buffalo so we can have 2 lefties in bullpen like every other team we face.Collins should have brought in Byrdak to face Ibanez and should have pinch hit Turner for Murphy in 7th with Valdy on third.Pathetic ab by Murphy.More pathetic managing by Collins.Still can not believe we lost this game.Lack of power in this lineup really hurts.Ao do the catchers.Neither Thole or Nickeas are MLB players.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan June 24, 2012 at 12:28 am

    I think you second guessed every single inning here.

    Damn i shouldn’t have wrote that.
    • gary s. June 24, 2012 at 8:53 am

      Sorry.Collins locked up manager of the year last night.Can’t wait to see the genius in action again tonight.
• Bobby June 24, 2012 at 1:23 am

  Oue team HRs are on the down side compared to the Evil Empire, and tomorrow will be a great game on Sunday night baseball, can’t wait. These game are hard to swallow when for 6 innings things looked so good. And to make things even better the Nats won.
• oleosmirf June 24, 2012 at 8:31 am

  I have two criticisms of last nights came and no-one has mentioned either I don’t believe.

  1) 7th inning 1st and 3rd and 2 outs with a lefty on the mound and Kirk at the plate, Terry (probably because of the earlier HR) left Kirk in the game despite his complete inability to hit LHP especially a lefty specialist I might add. Go with Torres or Turner there.

  2) This is the one that bothers me the most. If Francisco is, in fact, unavailable, why on earth was Pedro Beato not recalled. You can’t go 2 men short in the pen with Chris Young on the mound against the Yankees. You know he doesn’t go that deep into games and you know you need to rely on multiple pitchers to get multiple outs in the pen. Terrible planning again.
  • Hitman June 24, 2012 at 8:56 am

    Have you noticed a strange trend that whenever the Mets send down somebody, not long after, someone gets hurt? Francisco getting hurt after Elvin getting sent down is the latest example.
    • Metsie June 24, 2012 at 11:38 am

      I think it is just that we are having a guy get hurt a week and the fact they don’t tell anyone about it right away and by the time they find out it’s too late to make a move.
• Mikey June 24, 2012 at 9:00 am

  Any chance at all that someone in baseball gives Swisher one in the back this year? That guy is infuriatingly smug.
• Hitman June 24, 2012 at 9:03 am

  How could Duda not be the Goat of the Game? He misplayed an easy flyball that he was too far out and started running late on. No, it wasn’t “well hit”. That’s what eventually opened Pandora’s Box. Let’s not forget that he blew it on TWO big at-bats in which we could’ve tied or even won the game. Both were piss poor ABs in which he swung at junk below his knees and outside & away. The 11 runners LOB? Unacceptable. The Yankees pen brutally exposed us.

  Also, I have a very strong urge to punch Swisher in the face after last night.
• sarge69 June 24, 2012 at 9:22 am

  Don’t like Swisher either but he is the type of player that you like if he is on your team, hate if he plays for other, go figure.

  Sorry but the key moment was 7th, Byrdak should have been brought in, at minimum to pitch to Chavez or PH cause he is pretty good against LH or RH but TC had a brain freeze, that inning was the important inning in game not saving him for “possible” 9th inning; bad managing by TC.

  David has shown a propensity lately, despite double in Friday’s game, he missed early inning RBI chance also, to not get runner’s in like he did early in season and if they have adjusted to him inside then he needs to adjust also, he is team’s best hitter and he needs to find way to get runner in from 2b or 3b.

  Wow, Yanks just ate up our LH hitters, who would have guessed that our LH heavy lineup would be exposed like that!
  Cap Kirk needs to cut down on swing on 2 strikes and try to make contact cause K’s don’t bring in runners.
  • oleosmirf June 24, 2012 at 10:29 am

    they have 2 lefty specialists (Logan and Rapada) with their best reliever (Robertson) also left handed. Not a great matchup.

    Given the issues in our pen, Collins should do what Jerry Manuel (can’t believe I’m praising the guy) did in 2008 when his bullpen was much much worse. Jerry maximized his bullpen by everyone almost every night, but for 1 or 2 batters at most.

    Rauch and Batista should only be used against RHP while Byrdak and (call up Justin Hampson over Hefner already) should only be used against LHP. DFA Rottino or put Baxter/Bay on the 60 day DL to get that 40-man spot That way you can maximize your bullpen for the time being.
    • oleosmirf June 24, 2012 at 10:31 am

      Edit: Robertson is not a lefty, although he is nasty so same thing!
• MetsMan86 June 24, 2012 at 10:12 am

  Was at the game last night. After seeing the way Ibanez’s shot go out I was hoping Murphy’s shot would make it over the wall. Ugh. The part that makes me tear out my hair is the runners on third with less than two outs no coming in to score- and not coming in to score because of strikeouts! I’d be less pissed if some there was at least bad contact made!
• Joe D June 24, 2012 at 10:17 am

  That was a tough loss. Cant blame Collins for leaving Young in there, in fact I would have been upset if he didn’t send him out for the seventh the way he was dealing.

  I’m not a fan of Geren as the bench coach. I think the Mets are very bad when it comes to defensive positioning and Geren brings nothing to the table there. Because we have so many defensive liabilities on the team including Duda and Murphy, more attention needs to be placed on their positioning especially late and close.

  Wright had a golden opportunity to be the hero last night, and I think what we all wanted to see was a huge hit instead of a productive out.

  Lets go get them tonight!
  • Metsie June 24, 2012 at 11:55 am

    It was tough in regards to if we had won it we had a real good shot at a sweep, but when you look at it on face value, it wasn’t a very tough loss.

    We can still win the series today which is a GREAT accomplishment considering who we are playing.
    The Yanks are 42-28 for a damn good reason!

    To win the series is more than enough accomplishment if you ask me lets just hope Dickey has more magic missing bats than Sabbathia does today!

    We go to Chicago next to play a team we should sweep followed by what will be the most important road series we have…4 games vs the ML 2nd Best Dodgers.

    If we can sweep the cubs (twice before the ASG) Win the series vs the Phils and at least split the series vs the Dodgers we will be in a very good position at the time of the All Star Break.

    And this not sweeping the Yanks while less sweet really won’t matter much when all is said and done.
    • sarge69 June 24, 2012 at 1:30 pm

      I don’t blame him for letting Young start 7th but when he had 2 runners on LH coming up in Chavez, that is when the game is won and TC should of brought in Byrdak even if Yanks PH Jones or whomever cause Tim is good against RH, better than Rauch anyway but game was lost there and you could just see the air coming out of Mets balloon..

      David has not been coming through on some early game RBI opportunities that would put less pressure on team late in game, his at at bat late in game getting runners over to 2nd and 3rd are not what he gets paid the buck for!

      BP once again, how many losses does Rauch have now? Given up two game winning HR to Yankees here and at Yankee Stadium, he is killing this team so why is he in so many high pressure situations lately?
• oleosmirf June 24, 2012 at 10:59 am

  Justin Hampson – give him a shot already!!!

  http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=t422&t=p_pbp&pid=430618
• Connor O'Brien June 24, 2012 at 11:13 am

  The Mets should have scored when Valdy reached second w. no outs. David has to drive that run home! And then Valdy was at THIRD with one and they couldn’t get him home. That was just one of so many missed opportunities.
• Joey D. June 24, 2012 at 12:24 pm

  As I said, the reason I think it was a concerted effort by David to get the runner over to third was due his taking such a weak but full swing at what one said was a hard sinker. It did not appear as a full cut in which he got fooled and it just rolled weakly to the right side. And if he was fooled, note he did not try to hold up or appear to be lunging. He went with the pitch correctly, followed through with a steady and level swing but did not swing with full authority so to place the ball in a certain direction.

  Hey, I could be completely wrong – I’m not a professional, but it is a legit question as to whether that’s the way the at-bat turned out or if it was designed that way. And that decision has to come from the manager. If it didn’t, as I said before, that’s an issue Terry has to take with David behind closed doors.
  • Metsie June 24, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Well when you get fooled (expect one thing and realize it’s another) you have a choice of correcting the swing (very hard to do once it is started) or trying to hold up…

    My guess is he thought it was a fastball, saw mid pitch it wasn’t and tried to correct meaning more strength went into changing the bat plane than hitting the ball harder…

    Thats exactly the definition of rolling over on a pitch.

    Expect a fastball but get a slower pitch you have try and slow down the swing so you can keep the bat head in the zone long enough for the pitch to make contact with it and by slowing down your not swinging as hard as you normally do.
• NickDanger June 24, 2012 at 1:11 pm

  David Wright played a better defense then A Rod, he drove in as many runs as the entire Bronx infield(best money can buy) and he’s to blame? Starting pitching was a tie, starting
  line up was a tie, The Bronx had the edge with the best bull-pen in MLB and pinch hitting.
  The Mets had 1/4 of it’s opening day infield and 1/3 of that days outfield and started Young, who wasn’t an original 5 starter and they played a good game, stop crying.
• Joey D. June 24, 2012 at 3:10 pm

  “That’s different than stating Terry Collins told Wright to move the runner over. That’s just false and he should have said in his OPINION, so forth”.

  Hi Bayonne,

  Don’t know if you are referring to me but since I was the one brought up the question to begin with I was not going to accuse David of going against his manager’s decision and took it upon himself to move the runner over instead. Making such a statement would insinuate a lack of respect for the manager on David’s part. It would also conjecture that Terry does not have disciplinary control over his players, which would then be another unfair accusation.

  So unless there is evidence to the contrary one cannot look to one other than the manager for calling the shot. And unless Davis misread the sign that would imply the existence of a disciplinary problem or lack of respect for the manager if it wasn’tf Terry who told him to move the runner over. I personally don’t for a minute think it was just a bad at-bat.
  • Bayonne Mets Fan June 24, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    There was no sign and there was no ignoring any decisions.

    The Manager did not tell his number 3 hitter to move the runner over.

    Jesus Christ!
    • Joey D. June 24, 2012 at 6:52 pm

      “There was no sign and there was no ignoring any decisions. The Manager did not tell his number 3 hitter to move the runner over.”

      If the scenario you suggest was what actually did occur, that implies the manager assumed his number three hitter knew better and felt there was no need to give him the signal to hit away – which means runner on second, nobody out, bottom of the seventh, trailing by one run and he did nothing but leave it up to his player.
      • Bayonne Mets Fan June 24, 2012 at 7:11 pm

        Are you for real?

        Here’s the reason – he’s a number 3 hitter up with a runner in scoring position on 2B.

        No wonder you have long 455 comment threads made up of 5 paragraphs to explain a ground out.

        Cue Twilight Zone music:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y
        • Fonzie13 June 24, 2012 at 7:59 pm

          Lmao!
        • Joey D. June 24, 2012 at 10:36 pm

          The only other answer is that it was just a bad swing by David even though it appeared to many of us that his intention was to advance the runner.

          Hope they lift your ban from the shout box soon.