Yet it seems like those same people who brag about disliking that stuff are the ones giving Reyes a pass on something no “old school” baseball fan would ever allow.”

Hi Jessup,

Hope that doesn’t include those “old school” fans like me.

Also, it was Jose’s desire to be taken out after that hit and had nothing to do with Terry Collins or anyone else.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-09-28/sports/30240041_1_milwaukee-s-ryan-braun-jose-reyes-justin-turner

You were having the 3 year old conversation of “Your not a FAN!”

You ROOT AGAINST….(The guy I defended all friggin day!)
You Hate…blah blah blah

You sound like a 3 year old arguing with his sibling over who loves Mommy more….

Please do us all a favor…don’t respond at all if all you got to add to the discussion is:

“It’s ok when Jessup does something but anyone else who does it, hates the player, is not a fan or is insane!”

What I find most humorous is that “old school” baseball fans hates things like sabermetrics, or statistical analysis to evaluate players, pitch counts etc.

Yet it seems like those same people who brag about disliking that stuff are the ones giving Reyes a pass on something no “old school” baseball fan would ever allow.

Reyes to me is a tier 3 player. I’d go superstar, great, slightly less than great. He can be great sometimes as you say, and other times he blends in. He was on his way to becoming a superstar and he fell short.

A batting title is great. Wonderful job. I personally do not value it as much as others do, and that is fine. I think its a nice personal accomplishment and I don’t blame him for wanting to ensure he won it.

I blame him for not running the bases, not fighting to stay in the game (if it was managements call), not playing the field after the AB, and not recognizing the moment of possibly leaving your homegrown team is bigger than winning a batting title.

All of those statements do not mean I think Tulo’s 10 year deal was a great idea. But I don’t have to worry about that because he’s not on my team.

If you ask me from 2007 through 2011 which SS would I rather on the Mets purely based on talent and not makeup of the team, it’s Tulo.

As for Tulo, I too would not have given him a contract going out past the turn of the next decade. That was the decision of the Rockies management. Why did they offer such a contract? Their management has publicly stated that Tulo is a great athlete, a team leader, a throwback to the old days when a person’s word was as good as his signature, and a fan favorite. Hmm. Just like Jose, isn’t he? LOL.

Weird. Maybe you didn’t see it because you don’t actually read what I say, you pick specific words I say and make up your own opinion for me.

When the story was Jose wanted Crawford $, I wrote this piece. Nobody expected Jose would take a 6yr/100 ish mil at that time. We ALL Thought he wanted Crawford like money. Things changed obviously, but at the time my piece was written about how players usually begin to decline after they sign these $100mil deals and teams often look at them as mistakes rather than worthy investments.

Here’s proof for you with regards to what I said about Tulo (not what you say I said)

May 24, 2011 “$100 Million Men: A Look Back”

“This past November, Troy Tulowitzki signed a 10 year deal with the Rockies worth $157million. I think Tulo is a great player, but that great? He is only 26 years old, so he’s still within the prime of his career which is a positive for this contract. However, Tulo has never put up a season comparable to say Ryan Howard. Tulo is a rare power threat at SS and the team’s leader though. “

Colorado did the same type of deal with Helton because of what he meant to that franchise. They have figured keeping their players is better than roster flexibility. That is their choice. I wouldn’t want Tulo signed for 10 years here in NY but if he was, I wouldn’t root against him (like people here would if Wright was signed to 10 years)

Tulo is a bigger superstar, better hitter, better fielder, and better leader than Reyes.

It’s not a knock on Reyes to be worse than Tulo.

People like to mention Coors Field as a way to knock Tulo down, as though playing in spacious Citi Field last year didn’t help Reyes at all.

Since the Rockies made it to the World Series, Tulo has hit 7 more HR at home than on the road. That is hardly enough HR to warrant a “he benefits from Coors Field power.” argument.

Down the stretch in 2007 when his team needed him the most, Tulo hit .312 with 12HR and 52 RBI in August+September of 2007 to help his team get to the playoffs.

For somebody like Alex who harps on “clutch” hitting so much with Wright, you’d think he’d appreciate that stat as compared to I don’t know, say Jose’s .205 average in September of 2007 or .243 in September of 2008?

If you ask me which player should get a 10 year deal, I say neither. I don’t understand why teams do that. But if you ask me which deserved a 6 year deal when each of them signed their contracts, I’d say Tulo without a doubt over Reyes.

I am not the one who signed him to a long deal. Colorado is different than the NY Mets. A player like Tulo means more to that fan base and franchise than Jose means to the Mets.

So I’m not sure why you continuously throw him in my face. When the argument happened I said he was a bigger superstar than Jose. That was the statement that drove you nuts. And it’s true, so I’m not sure why you think you have a case.

Tulowitzki has won the Gold Glove, Silver Slugger Award and gone to the All-Star Game each of the last two years. He was batting .287 with eight homers and 27 RBIs. The Rockies have struggled mightily in his absence, losing 12 of their last 13 games.

Have the Mets struggled with Ruben out of the lineup? Or does the Mets place in the standings tell us otherwise? The Mets are at .543 with a 38-32 record, good for second place.

I am not looking to talk baseball with an 11 year old who hears dirty or silly words and tries to use them every chance he gets.

Therefore I won’t be responding in full. Please continue pretending you do not root against David Wright. You, Bayonne, Alex, Maniac… all the same. You want him to fail because you’d rather be “right” than Wright be “good.”

He pretty much HATED the idea of resigning Reyes!
He says he wanted him but truth is the only way he would have wanted him back is if he was willing to take a pay cut….Which he actually did for the next two years!

Don’t look now but it’s time to taste that pile of bullshit you just posted and tell everyone how good it tastes!

As for your bull about wanting Reyes back well you made every case and excuse you could possibly think of to NOT sign him not even negotiate and wrote full pieces on it!

Your so full of it Homeland security would label you WMD…
Weapon of Massive Dungballs!

No arguments with me about the points you raised regarding Jose. I just also wanted to expand upon the issue you raised regarding those who accused Reyes of being greedy.

Even if Sandy was informally given a general idea of what his agent was seeking and that was not in line with the Mets were willing to pay, the principle behind negotiation is for each party to start off with their highest and lowest offers and then try to work on a compromise of mutual benefit. Had Sandy wanted to re-sign Jose, he would have been dealing with his agent to come to some sort of settlement. Had a contract offer been made that Jose turned down ,or if his agent was refusing to budge from their original demands, then the front office would have no other recourse and yes – Jose would deserve the rap of money being the main issue. But he was never given that opportunity since there were no formal discussions or offers for him to turn down and thus such accusation is unfounded.

But the Mets try to spin it in a different light. Notice whenever the subject is raised on SNY it is always Jose who left the Mets to become a free agent with no mention about the front office organization making any attempt to keep him? Now, as I said, it was a gutsy and unpopular move by the front office but understandable taking into account Jose’s salary demands, age, injury history and Ruben Tejada out on the horizon. But, at the same time, it wasn’t a case of Jose simply leaving as the front office tries to make it appear as it was being told he wasn’t a part of the Mets future plans.

Everyone here is rooting for Wright to succeed. The thing is, there are posters here who dislike his style of play. Which is fine. There were people who also disliked Reyes’ style of play, and that’s fine too. But that does NOT mean they are rooting for the player to fail. And you have to realize that lot of stuff is said out of emotion during games and directly after them.

You don’t want David Wright here. If the Mets signed Reyes, I would have been happy still that he was a NY Met.

You come off as though you, and others actually root against David Wright. As though you don’t want him to succeed or sign with the Mets.

You don’t want the Mets to sign him not because of financial of contractual reasons, you don’t want the Mets to sign David Wright because you simply do not like him.

That is the difference. I genuinely liked Jose but didn’t see it as a smart BASEBALL DECISION to sign him to 6+ years.

You have no “baseball management” reasons for talking about Wright’s future here. You talk about him like you don’t want him to be a Met ever.

You can’t get made at people for doing the same thing you did just as recent as last year.

Lets all get nostalgic why don’t we?

Is this about the point where you play the “Who Me?” game you usually do when you complain about others doing what you have done in the past?

I never commented on Mets wins and looked at his performance only. Never. There are people on this site who seem to watch a Mets game simply for the sake to be negative toward Wright.

Reyes’ performance in the final game will forever stick with me as a lasting memory. There’s a few things to note here.

You make a valid point, maybe the Mets didn’t want him to play the whole game. This is fully possible. But why didn’t he fight for it? We saw David Wright get taken out of a game and fight for the right to keep playing.

I will always believe that Reyes had a very good idea that was his final game in a Mets uniform. You can’t tell me he thought it was less than a 50/50 chance.

He could have shown some effort to keep playing or here’s a wild idea. If you wanna win a batting title, play the game til the next AB.

I care less that he bunted for the hit and more about the bush league excuse that it was for a batting title. What could running the bases do to the batting title? Playing the field?

If David Wright plays 1 AB in his final Mets game, check back… I’ll be all over him for it also.