Scott Schoenwiess as a Met: 4.20 ERA 1.45 WHIP – Signed for 10M

Mota as a Met: 4.66 ERA 1.24 WHIP – Signed for 5M

Frank Francisco as a Met: 5.55 ERA, 1.56 WHIP – signed for 12M

Jon Rauch as a met: 4.88 ERA, 1.29 WHIP – signed for 3.5M

Ramon Ramirez as a met: 4.78 ERA, 1.51 WHIP – acquired in a trade with Torres for Angel Pagan(who’s by the way hitting .321 with 5HR’s and 12SB’s).

D.J Carrasco as a Met: 6.11 ERA, 1.67 WHIP – signed for 1.2M

Yup, now we are not making any more bad bullpen signings or trades.

Funny did you get all those lines you been using from what everyone was saying about you in the shoutbox?

Cause thats what they all said…

I find it hilarious that you only come out to try and help Jessup despite the fact he doesn’t need your help and you never provide him with any!

You are useless and never add a damn thing to any conversation!

Just a Parrot without a clue!

I think letting go of Joe Smith was a blunder, he could have been that one RH pitcher you bring in to get a ground ball but he is pitching for the Indians now, not the team that drafted him.
His career GO/AO at 2.31 and consistency would have great for the long term health of this franchise, maybe SA can trade for him

The fact that the BP has been an issue was not lost on this FO in the off season but as many have stated you don’t know if you are getting a BP arm on the rise or on the fall but if you get one like Red did with Chapman,, though international signing, he has been consistent and you know what you get.
We were hurting for many years since Wagner got hurt, Duaner Sanchez decided he wanted some “mofongo” and got hurt and as stated here the lack of “in house” development of BP arms depending on the market which burned us with JJ, I still don’t know whom was looking at his medical records and could not see that he had physical issues.

POINTLESS!

Honorable mention to:
meaningless
stupid
wastefull
idiotic
bullying
chlidish

What I’m basically saying is that the reason we don’t have the relievers is because they have been pressed into service as starters!

We have as a whole failed to develop PITCHING period.

There are a few reasons for that…
One hasn’t been a lot of pitching available to buy or draft. Drafting late as we have is part of it but no real excuses there since Atlanta found them!

I Agree it’s better to buy starters not just starting pitching but everyday positions as well!

But looking at the pitching for a sec…
If we had (and I have said this plenty) bought a frontline starter from 2006-2008 would Pelfrey have been rushed, Perez Resigned, Maine remain a starter or thrown into the pen where he was less likely to blow out his elbow?

Omar did try to buy starters and we have for the past year and a half raked him over the coals for doing that but him doing that did allow us to develop the future starters and many of the regular players we are relying on now and for the next two or three years.

This lack of good pen development is about to change.
Maybe not in time to help this year but when you have guys who were supposed to be promising starters but have no room to pitch them thats how you develop a good pen.

Our starting rotation could eventually look like:
Santana (Till 2014)
Dickey (Till god knows when)
Niese
Harvey
Wheeler

That pushes guys like Pelfrey, Familia, Gee, Mejia and Beato to the pen.
Thats a pretty highly developed pen now isn’t it?
And it will be because we filled all the starters with very good talent making all that good pitching that has no role the excellent role players we need.

This buying bandaids and role players approach never works!
Fix the thing that gets you into the situation on a daily basis not what you think will solve that situation should it arise!

And with 2 words, all of Metsie’s posts are explained.

You are the king of insane incoherent postings and off topic ramblings!

You are as useless here as tits on a bull!

You have nothing to add just sit back and snipe at posters like a drunken Irish guy in a bar waiting for a fight to happen he can jump in on!

Elvin is already here (jury out of course).

edgin and Leatherstrich are moving up.

and I think there are a couple other guys that are dedicated relievers that have promise.

so hopefully this list gets outdated real soon!

Too bad for you that I responded and showed your attempt to claim Omar was worse as another donal folly!

Since you seemed intent on making another Omar vs Sandy thread out of this I will refrain from taking it any further and let my post in rply to it serve as fair warning to you and the rest…
If you go there we will be happy to give you exactly what you wanted!

And show everyone this is exactly why it happens not because we start the Sandy vs Omar crap but those who defende Sandy do it whenever they get backed into a corner!

You’re assuming I don’t want to develop starters. I do. The problem is the Mets have 4 starters plus about 4 others in the system who show promise.

I also believe if you spend money on the rotation, you get more value than if you spend on the bullpen because the bullpen is a greater risk of failure.

Your list is not fair because you’re making it seem like these teams just developed arms and ran out of rotation spots.

A guy like Kimbrel was drafted in 07, never started a single game in the minors. The plan for him was always to be in the bullpen and now he’s easily one of the best closers in the sport.

Teams develop bullpen arms all the time. But in the grand scheme of things, yes the Mets need to develop more ARMS period.

If you look at them from 1994 through 2011, their starting pitcher arms developed would likely keep them at the bottom of the NL East also.

But, again, if they have $ to spend, I’d prefer they spend on SP and not RP.

Look at how many Developed Starters they have in thier rotation!

Look how chock full the rotation of Phillies, Atlanta and Washington is!

Phillies bought thier top two (Last year had three not of their own development) And truth is thier pen has been quite an issue for them the past three years as well. Probably due to the same problem all they really developed was Hamels!

Lets look at Atlanta first
Beachy – Developed
Hanson – Developed
Minor – Developed
Delgado – Developed
Hudson – Acquired
Jurrjens – Acquired after his rookie season.

Whatever was left?
Kimbrel
Venters

Went to the pen!

Lets look at Washington
Zimmerman – Developed
Strausburg – Developed
Detwiller – Developed
Gonzales – Trade
Jackson – Free Agent

Whats left?
Mattheus – Developed
Stammen – Developed

So it was the fact they developed very good starters on both those teams and a little of bit of good horse trading that it appears they developed more Relievers than us but thats because they very little room for those good pitchers in the rotation and could put them into the pen where mere decent starters or guys who barely cut it as starters thrive as excellent pen arms!

And when you HAVE those great starter arms your Pen always will be better because you don’t have to over work and over use them the way we do because our Starters are not as good as thiers.

We have been so desperate to develop starting pitching that anyone worth a damn has become a starter!

Think about the Familia situation for just a minute….

Why is that guy constantly mentioned as a possible guy for the pen?
Because he’s a good starter true as that may be but he is the low guy on the totem pole of a rotation consisting of:
Santana
Dickey
Niese
Harvey
Wheeler

Not even going to count Pelfrey in there as he may not even be here next year.

That puts Mejia, Familia, Hefner, Edgin, Beato, and Holt no place to pitch but the pen.
4 out of 5 what could have been starters as your bullpen in 2013-14

And who knows maybe Gee and Pelfrey go there too!
2014 Santana’s last year so maybe Familia or Gee keep thier starting jobs.
Unless some other kid gets developed to be a starter in the next two years that again knocks out a guy developed to be a starter and forces them into being a damn good Reliever instead.

If you fill the REGULAR EVERYDAY position you not only make the EVERY situation good but the role situations as well.

If you shoot to fix the role then your pretty much just forcing yourself to need that role because the regulars aren’t getting the job done!

Fix and improve the SPs and the Pen will follow!
Fix the everyday players and the Bench will follow!
Developing for the situational will not solve the situation better than the developing to stay out of that situation altogether in the first place!

Improve and develop from the Starters down not the Bench up!