2006, 2007 2008 thats three years! And thats only for guys who were drafted in 2005! The rest would all have LESS!

this year? like J V said, 3B is one position where they have good players from the majors all the way to A+. Until Lutz is not in th eway, no where for marte to go (and not sure they want to move him up this soon, at age 20), so no where to move Flores.

Should all resolve itself by the MiL season break, where they usually do a lot of shuffling.

He would have had to have a PERFECT draft in 2005 and have every player taken be developed in only 3 years to do what you propose he failed at!

How many years has Wheeler been in the Minors?
Is he a Failure?
How many Years will Nimmo be down there, hell he isn’t even IN the Minors yet is he? Still in instructional league!
Will Sandy be a failure if Nimmo isn’t here in two more years?

You are being totally unfair! And if we use your parameters to judge Sandy he will fail just as much if not more!

A game like that certainly has a positive effect on a vacation experience and gives some hope that perhaps there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Mets. Hopefully Wilmer stays healthy, continues to develop and, over time, becomes a solid member of the NY Mets.

But at the end of the day, he handed the right to pick these guys to sign to Terrasas, and Cruz. So I will hold the credit for the system for them.
And give Benny Distefano (current St Lucie hitting coach) credit for his work with the clubs he’s worked with, to improve drastically. Look at Brooklyn, 2010 and St Lucie now.

Valdespin pretty much blows that theory out of the water anyway, and he isn’t the only one.

The only scenario that i could see play out if everybody had remained healthy was if the Mets suffered another collapse after 2008. But otherwise he would be here to see the fruits of his plan and that’s to contend while building the farm.

Alderson is trying to build a farm but his attempt to contend is not there regardless of the budget last year to me Alderson either showed no interest in trying to compete as best he could, did not believe that this team could contend, or both. Hindsight being 20/20 because i cannot stand this current GM so much, I would have loved to see Omar stay on and see what him and a new manager (Bobby V?) would have done with a low budget. And Joe D can validate because back then we had a chat about that I DID say that I would have preferred to see a change in manager before a change in GM.

And as for your observation that maybe the new Front Office is helping these kids come along better now, there is not a thing to prove that and also you don’t know if Sandy’s philosophy can be hampering the hitting of some of these kids. Doesn’t Sandy want at least one walk in 10 plate appearance for every batter and also doesn’t he advocate that each hitter should treat every AB like he’s leading off?

That’s just insane no organization should ever advocate just one approach for everybody. You can ruin young hitters that way.

Anyway, this is 8 years after Omar took over. That is a long time to graduate some prospects. It was the middle years (when they were just falling short, then hurt bad by injuries) when there was no MiL talent coming up, that killed them.

But, the GM seems to be getting too much credit/blame for the minors. What they do control, is who is hired for scouting/drafting and player development. These are the guys that are 99% responsible for what peculates up through the minors.

so, it was whoever the scouting director at the time was responsible for the middle tier draft picks, and the international guy for IFAs.

The GM signs off on the big $ stuff, but mostly concentrates on organizational stuff, and the ML roster. And that is what got Omar in hot water (falling short in agonizing fashion 2 years running, and signing dogs like Castillo, Bay and Ollie). Plus, letting the Bernazard sideshow run amok. Those were 100% on his head.

I don’t expect Sandy to be any more involved in specific prospects (like knowing 10th round draft picks) than Omar was. He shouldn’t be. But, he is responsible for the guys charged with that now.

there is also something else to consider. Why did guys suddenly have break out/step up years last year? Pure coincidence? or was it changes to the MiL organization (coaching, philosophy, player development style?).

You just can’t blindly say that guys signed years ago have not been influenced over the last season plus by the MiL people (and ML level too). They didn’t exist in some Omar induced vacuum in 2011 either.

so sure, most of these guys came in during Omars reign, but they would have had to, since he was here from 8 years to 2 years ago, when 99% of all the prospects that are likely to be coming up (other than someone brought in via trade) came into the organization.

I do think that the ML system was unfairly bashed recently (and said so repeatedly) but that does not somehow validate Omar’s entire body of work as a GM. Regardless of how many homegrown guys there are on the field, he failed at enough GM areas he got fired for just cause. Being a GM is a tough business.

Now, concerning Flores…I’m glad the Mets took the time out to not only finally shift him to 3rd base (where he belonged all this time) but that something has finally clicked with him. I asked Petey not all that long ago about Flores, and I firmly believe Flores is our future 3rd baseman. I love Wright, but I’d make the smart move of moving him to deepen our pitching depth within the system & hopefully strengthen an area we have yet to tackle: Catcher. Give Flores 2 years and he’ll be here.

I don’t know if Omar is working but if not some team should grab him quickly!

A farm system I might add that prior to Omar was Baron of any talent. But in…..what? 4 years he was killed because the farm didnt produce talent

Although Freddie Coupons was tight with the wallet and playing nice with Selig didnt allow Omar to spend over the MLB guidelines while other teams spent freely– year after year.

And now we are seeing the fruit of Omar’s labor but those who bashed Omar wont give him the credit.

His track record of scouting young talent still stands