Comments on: Schwinden Struggles Again, Mets Lose 8-1 To Astros

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 May 2012 20:18:04 +0000

here is the book on Acosta,
he always scks early, gets sent down, works himself out of it and then comes back at the end of the season and impresses someone that he might be a keeper…then he sucks again early rinse and repeat!

Acosta always does his best work after July!
Before then he always seems horrible!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 May 2012 20:03:06 +0000

Thats all you got eh?
I suppose Pjols being signed after Wilson had no affect on getting wilson eh?

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove11/story?id=7494838&_slug_=mlb-how-los-angeles-angels-recruited-albert-pujols-cj-wilson-espn-magazine&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb%2fhotstove11%2fstory%3fid%3d7494838%26_slug_%3dmlb-how-los-angeles-angels-recruited-albert-pujols-cj-wilson-espn-magazine

Silly man the contract didn’t have to be signed to be influencing on others!
So nice try at a semantical attempt at proving me wrong only because I used the word signing instead of contract!

Big Whoop you can have that my point still remains doesn’t it?

By: jerseymet

jerseymet — Thu, 03 May 2012 17:52:44 +0000

Acosta is also 31. Is he part of the long term plan? He is a AAAA type, so he has to produce or get out of the way. I don’t doubt that he could put it togeather in the minors. He may not get through the waiver wires, but isn’t that how we got Heffner?

By: jessep

jessep — Thu, 03 May 2012 15:02:34 +0000

Metsie, YOU SAID

“I wonder how much Reyes’ signing played in the Burle and Bell signings?”

The answer is 0.

Heath Bell signed his deal before Jose Reyes did. Therefore Jose Reyes’ SIGNING could have played NO role in Heath Bell signing.

Don’t try and change what you said. You said Heath Bell likely signed because Reyes signed. Which is impossible since Bell signed first.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 May 2012 14:51:43 +0000

Yeah you say a lot of things don’t ya!
the Marlins by being so aggressive with Reyes proved to other FA;s they were serious about winning!

Marlins were linked with interest in just about every big name FA that was out there!

By: jessep

jessep — Thu, 03 May 2012 14:02:36 +0000

Considering Heath Bell agreed to a deal with Miami a few days before Reyes did, I’d say Reyes signing with Miami probably had nothing to do with Bell’s decision

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 May 2012 13:59:48 +0000

You Missed all those games from Ramirez?
Miggy and Acosta are in there because they lost faith in Ramirez!

Rauch is the only guy who at least LOOKS like he might come out of it!
The others (Ramirez and Francisco) both look like they are scared of the batter and the plate and as a result always put someone on base that later they allow to score on a hit or leave on for someone else to have to deal with and allows to score!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 May 2012 13:57:32 +0000

Lots of reasons…Did you read the ESPN story on the Angels offseason?
His signing with them had a lot more to do with him going after Pujols than being in California!
And the reason they looked so much better was because of Pujols!

Your actually making my point about this rebuild from within approach in that if you don’t show the player you wold want that you are willing to do what it takes to win you have no shot at getting them!

I wonder how much Reyes’ signing played in the Burle and Bell signings?

By: trs86

trs86 — Thu, 03 May 2012 13:39:54 +0000

Well “these” guys that you speak of is really only Frankie that has killed us. Again, I expect much better out of Ramirez but Rauch has been great. It’s guys like Miggy and Acosta that have killed us, so if anything maybe he didn’t spend enough on the pen. LOL. He left it 2 short.

By: trs86

trs86 — Thu, 03 May 2012 13:38:09 +0000

You missed the point, he’s from California and the Angels are currently a lot better than the Mets. So why would he choose the Mets over the Angels if the money were even close to the same?

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 May 2012 13:33:59 +0000

And there were no signs that neither Francisco or Rauch were solid closers?
I hate to break it to you but LA is just as big a market as NY when you come right down to it.
And he has a lot more pressure there than he would have here with Dickey and Santana in the rotation!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 May 2012 13:32:25 +0000

I’m not saying these guys can’t redeem themselves later in the season…
The point is will they do so in time to keep us in the race or will there be 4 teams ahead of us in July and 7.5 games out that makes Sandy say we can’t win might as well trade Wright for 4 years from now?

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 May 2012 13:29:26 +0000

Has any General Manager ever lost a World Series for having too much starting pitching?
Is it even possible to have TOO MUCH starting pitching?

No matter what you think you have you shouldn’t plan your roster until you actually do have them!
Anything can happen between now and then to change that!

Better to have a glut you can trade than to try and plan JUST ENOUGH only to have fate trip you up!

I know many here have this idea that every penny spent must count but thats only true in the NFL where there is a salary cap!

Wilson’s deal for the next three years averages to about 12 Mil per!
Sure those last two years may be in the 20′s but you can easily trade him before they hit and get something pretty good for him for the mere price of paying 4 or 5 mil of his salary (10 Mil total) in the trade!
Less money than we wasted on Francisco for two years!

Faith in your minors should only speak to the need to replenish yor minors!
Not how you build your MLB team!
you can’t count chickens before they are hatched and if you do you will find your basket light later on with no choice but to make a DESPERATION signing (like Bay) because you didn’t strike when the fish were there and biting!

Not every year has a FA worth signing. This year had quite a few!
Who knows who is available next year and the year after shold something happen to Harvey or Familia. Hell some would say Familia’s egg is already cracked!

By: trs86

trs86 — Thu, 03 May 2012 13:01:47 +0000

Also the same could have been said to a CJ signing that the signs were there that he would struggle in NY and that was what Niese, Pelfrey and Gee were for….

Again, it may turn out to be the wrong move but I can understand both sides of the discussion.

By: trs86

trs86 — Thu, 03 May 2012 13:00:03 +0000

It’s so early that I am not calling these moves a disaster. Rauch had looked very good and I still think Ramirez will be a good pickup. Currently Rauch is 3-0, 2.31 ERA, .771 WHIP.
That being said, the names that he picked up were certainly better in theory than what we had in the system.
If Frankie continues to stink it up I am sure they will move him down in the pecking order.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 May 2012 12:58:18 +0000

No the actal number isn’t the important factor!
If a guy hits .300 but most of those hits come in clutch situations it doesn’t matter that his average is the same!
A clutch hitter merely has to succeed in the sitations he is presented with not surpass his performance in them.

Having lesser numbers in clutch situations can be called unclutch but the same numbers just means that when he gets those situations he does his job based on the best of his ability!

By: trs86

trs86 — Thu, 03 May 2012 12:56:48 +0000

Do you think it’s possible, right or wrong, that Sandy did not want to lock himself into a long term deal for a pitcher when he has so many arms that should be ready during that contract? Maybe placing a lot of faith, as all Mets fans are, in Harvey, Familia, Wheeler, and Mejia? Except for the hot start of a few guys who did they Mets have in the minors coming up for “backend” type guys?

Again, we can say it was the wrong move but Sandy viewed the BP as a bigger need than the SR and went with quantity over quality there as well while trying not to lock in any long-term contracts.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 May 2012 12:52:40 +0000

even if that were true, Gee would have started yesterday not Schwinden!
And we wouldn’t be wondering who to try next right now!

Look I’m the first guy to agree with the folks who said Wilson wasn’t a frontline starter!
But we have to date signed two starters since Sandy got here, one played all of 4 games and the other couldn’t get past the 6th inning. Even if he pitched Cy Young last year he wold still be gone because he would have been above our KMart price insistence.

If a guy like Wilson was signed pelfrey would have had his contract cancelled in ST after the way he pitched there! And it wouldn’t have cost us much at all!

So I disagree the only reason they paid Pelfrey what they did was because they didn’t sign someone else and if they had we might not be starting AAAA pitchers right now!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Thu, 03 May 2012 12:45:00 +0000

You think we have someone to close out games now? Really?

I wold counter that we have Parnell to do that!
Sure who knew he would get good right?
Well thats the job of the coaches and front office isn’t it?

I don’t really care what he deemed weakest. I care what he made WEAKER though…And lets face facts here he is the one who made the pen he deemed weak and now he has gone and made it worse?
So far this pen has been an utter disaster!

You do realize a good starter who can help you avoid going to the pen is a much better fix for a bad pen than more pen arms!
Avoiding a bad pen is just as good if not better than replacing it!

By: trs86

trs86 — Thu, 03 May 2012 12:40:11 +0000

I agree to an extent. Here’s the question though. Isn’t “clutch” also rising up above your normal numbers in pressure situations? Would a .300 hitter hitting .300 in high pressure situations be “clutch” or just a .300 hitter?

My question boils down to how “clutch” can a team be when their # 4 hitters on the season are hitting .247? Not only that but it was MUCH worse before they were forced to move Wright to the 4 hole. Just over a week ago that number was under .200… Seriously how are you going to drive in runs when your #4 and #5 hitters were hitting .220 and .180?