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2012
Rookie Jordany Valdespin Belts A Pinch Hit Home Run In Mets 5-2 Comeback Win
An article by Former Writers
Rookie Jordany Valdespin delivers a pinch hit three-run homer to put the Mets up 5-3.
Recap
Jon Niese had himself another good start despite only going five innings and being plagued with four walks. He gave up two runs in the first two innings, but was able to throw zeroes until he was taken out for a pinch hitter. Niese needs to stay in the game. He goes five innings, allowing two runs on four hits, four walks and five strikeouts. He walks away with a no decision.
Manny Acosta pitches a one-two-three inning with a K. Parnell pitched a shaky 1.2 innings with four hits and one walk but was able to walk away without allowing a run to score. Byrdak finishes off the eighth inning with a strikeout. Frank Francisco pitched a perfect ninth inning with a strikeout and his eighth save.
David Wright continues to be the non-patch captain of the team with a two-out, two run double to tie the game for the Mets.
Ike Davis ends an 0-12 skid with a base hit and drew a walk in the ninth. However, he did strikeout twice. Speaking of two strikeouts, our new shortstop Turner went 0-4 with two Ks.
Jordany Valdespin becomes the new Omir Santos with a three run shot off Papelbon in the ninth to give the Mets the lead and eventually the win.
Niewenhuis, Thole, Nickeas, and Murphy all with a hit each.
Notes
Josh Thole came out of the game after a home plate collision with Ty Wigginton. He took a shoulder to the head and came out of the game, but was able to walk off on his own.
Mets snap a eight game losing streak when Halladay starts.
Game Ball
Jordany Valdespin with a pinch hit three-run jack to win it for the Mets.
Up Next
Miguel Batista starts game two against the Phillies’ Joe Blanton. Game time is 7:05 PM.
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NL East Standings
| Team | W | L | Pct. | GB |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Braves | 24 | 18 | .571 | - |
| Nationals | 23 | 20 | .535 | 1.5 |
| Phillies | 20 | 23 | .465 | 4.5 |
| Mets | 16 | 24 | .400 | 7.0 |
| Marlins | 11 | 32 | .256 | 13.5 |
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What a game! One of the more memorable ones of 2012 indeed. Niese gave up 2 runs early but seemed to settle down but was gone after 5. Spotting Halladay 2 runs in his house is not a game many teams come back to win. But give these Mets once again credit. They scratched and clawed and fought there was back to tie the game. Props to Francisco on shutting the door.
A huge 2 out rbi double by Wright to tie the game and then an even bigger 3 run HR by the kid Spin to give us the lead.
Positives for me has to be the pen. Going 4 innings and keeping the Phils off the board though Parnell made it scary. Also Wright with that double to tie it and of course Spin with a great way to get his 1st MLB Hit. Way to go Kid.
LGM!!!
It speaks tons where Niese has an off game yet limits runs to only one inning.
Lets go Mets!!! Great win tonight!
Yeah, nice recap, but I think Niese was equal parts lucky and not very good. Curve just wasn’t working for him. Still…
I tell you between the Rangers tying goal with 5 ticks and Valdespin’s three-run blast after watching Nickeas’ improbable double, what a wonderful evening it’s been.
Watching the Metsies beat the Filthies and seeing those dePhlated Philthy people…ah, wonderful!!!!
LIKE, LIKE, LIKE.
This was a great win. I thought Halladay was getting stronger and was going to hold the Mets at bay but, as pointed out, our hitters are not giving up and showing the poise to drive in them runs with two outs. Wonder if those batting with less outs feel their chances of driving in one are nearly nil
.
Whatever we said about Thole, he held his ground and showed his toughness on that bang bang play at home. Remember how everything was going so fast on that slow roller and I was afraid Josh was going to be thinking too much of what to do as in the past and this time he didn’t. Glad he was able to walk off on his own and hope (praying) it is not a concussion.
But I disagree about it being a good start for Neise. Jonathan was shaky for the second straight start and did allow single runs in the first two innings. He blanked the Phils the remaining three but all total allowed eight base runners in five innings. Was it his poise that got him to limit the damage to two runs or (hard to believe) the poor Philadelphia hitting? Would better hitters have blown him away?
Another Minaya prospect, Jordany Valdespin. The hits keep coming. Way to go Spin!
Yep another prospect from the Mets barren minor league system.
Great win tonight.
Great win.
Congrats to Valdespin.
Have to give credit to the BP for 4 scoreless innings.
Really hope Josh is O.K. If we have to lose him to the DL, hopes it’s just for 7 days for precautionary measures.
Giving up the lead for the Phils with Papelbon on the mound? Even better win.
I’m reading it looks like Rob Johnson possibly called up if Thole goes on the DL.
Hope he’s OK.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/44640/thole-examined-for-suspected-concussion
Yes, another great win from the farm system that Omar produced, however, I must caution many to curb their enthusiasm.
Last year the club was playing the same type of inspired ball for over half the season after that miserable start but it has been pointed out correctly by some that many of us got caught up in the euthoria and were not seeing things in real terms. The team was both inexperienced and playing over its head and even though close in the wild card standings, it could not match the talent of the teams in front of them.
This is basically the same core of players as last year and even though they are a year older, they are still inexperienced and do not have the talent and depth of many others teams so we should expect maybe some improvement but not to expect anything special this year, either. Instead, if we could get some top prospect for Santana it would be better for us in the long term. Maybe David too.
That’s being more logical and a lesson we must learn from last year. We are rebuilding and to get some more prospects for the veterans would be in our best interests no matter where we might be if this same quality of play continues.
You simply just can’t enjoy a win without all the other stuff can you? You can’t simply say good win and leave it at that.
It’s a shame.
Hi North,
Fortunately you have not been the target of unprovoked personal and arrogant ridicule as I was for simply professing how much I believed in these guys last season and still do now. I’m not talking about passionate back and forth disagreement – I’m referring to plain rudeness.
I will not deny my last post (among some other recent ones) was sarcastic in nature and directed to a few in this forum for personal motives. Ever been called a liar? Ever been called condescending because of your age? Ever have one personally ridicule your integrity despite efforts of trying to keep the disagreement civil? After a while one just can’t let it slide, no matter how much one does not want to be goaded into a shouting match with some and instead enjoy the conversation with others from both sides of the fence.
I don’t have the thick skin to tolerate such infant behavior as others might so it may be best for me to just continue discussing the Mets on the other blogs I participate rather than MMO where more people act like you do (and I mean that sincerely, North)
This certainly isn’t worth it – and that, my friend, is the real big shame.
So if I understand you correctly, JD, you are telling the Mets to trade their leaders and best players for more youth and inexperience? Is that right?
Have you tried writing for “I Suck at Being a Mets Fan.com”? I think your insights would be welcome there.
Russell,
I’ve found the safest way to profess my feelings on certain subjects without getting abusive and spiteful responses from a small segment of individuals who might disagree with me is to simply use their own arguments and words and expand upon them further.
You see, beforehand, I would often say we both see things from the other side of the fence and to show respect for the other’s opinion would add that we both have valid points which we should be respectful of – and would get a reply that my point was not valid. That disresptful response one could easily shrug off but, unfortunately, slowly personal insults and humiliating remarks started entering the debate. There is no disguishing between disagreement and abuse.
Sorry that you were unaware that my opinion was really the opposite of what I said and expressed that way for a purpose – again just using the other arguments to facisiously make my point about civility and respect,
Though I would not use the vocabulary myself, I believe “Have you tried writing for “I Suck at Being a Mets Fan.com”? I think your insights would be welcome there” should be directed at others who actually do share those opinions opposite than us.
My I impart a piece of civil advice? Stop with the overwrought prose. Affect doesn’t become you.
So, you’ve elected to make it about you. Good job. that will earn you some respect.
“Ever been called a liar? ”
What do you call someone who repeatedly says things that are misleading or flat out untrue?
“Ever been called condescending because of your age?”
You haven’t. This is another lie. You have been called condescending because you say condescending things. Age is your hang up, not mine.
“Ever have one personally ridicule your integrity despite efforts of trying to keep the disagreement civil?”
You made it personal before anyone else. When you make the point of the conversation the person’s age or that they supposedly only know baseball from a computer or book (despite not knowing one thing about the person you are speaking down to), you make it personal. It doesn’t matter how nicely you greet them. In fact, that sort of thing makes you seem disingenuous.
“I don’t have the thick skin to tolerate such infant behavior as others might so it may be best for me to just continue discussing the Mets on the other blogs I participate rather than MMO where more people act like you do (and I mean that sincerely, North)
This certainly isn’t worth it – and that, my friend, is the real big shame.”
Or maybe you can take an honest look at how you are approaching things. Maybe you can extend the same respect (and I mean real respect) to others as you seem to think you are entitled to.
Maybe, just maybe, you can make the discussion about the facts presented rather than about your assumptions of the other person and how quickly you can dismiss them. And then, you can learn to not construct arguments based on a pile of logical fallacies.
Oh please you guys made it about him!
By bitching at the poster for not enjoying a win!
All he did was do what you guys did last year when we were playing .519, .593, and .519 baseball and were 7.5 games out but you guys did not enjoy the winning then either and professed how AWFUL the WINNING team was just 7.5 game out of the wildcard!
so if he’s a bad Met fan he ast least hasn’t given up on the season yet like all you guys who are currently taking him to take for merely saying “Don’t get too excited we have seen these wins before! Like last June and July! You know when many of you wanted to fold up the tent and call it a season?
Hyocrites if you ask me! It’s ok for YOU to trash the mets but god forbid someone you don’t like does it!
Boring. New topic.
Well that was an exciting Tidbit now wasn’t it?
Thanks Metsi.
We will never know what would have really transpired last season had those moves not been made and the injuries to Neise and Murphy never befell us and that even though he is a top prospect, that throwing in the towell was not worth a Zach Wheeler – not with the pitching talent we now know we have on the minor league level to go along with Neise, Gee, Parnell and the ever young R.A. Dickey.
Some disagree and that is fine. Wonder what R.A. Dickey’s response would be if he was tweaked and told the same thing after saying despite the team believing in itself that the front office showed it had given up on them and that was hard to swallow? Would love to see R.A’s response questioning his professional judgement or reacting to the claim he was simplying patronizing his teammates.
Hi Joey D,
Between you and me without getting into specifics since I see another thread has once again gone down the proverbial drain we have more in common than you think. I hope you reconsider and continue to participate on MMO. My words were never intended for you stop doing so as I’m sure you already know that. My comment toward you was me expressing my frustrations at what is a daily occurrence around here. The inability to simply enjoy a Mets win without the extra baggage. Your comment being the latest. Though I disagree with many of your views yours are by far some of the most well thought and articulate points made. I’m not going to lie sometimes I think you repeat yourself more than I care
but your well within your right to do so as often as you wish. I apologize if anything I may have said caused you to rethink your participation in MMO that was not my intent. Oh and thank you for the kind words.
Enjoy the game. [ Though Batista on the hill might be difficult
]
LGM!
Hi North,
Don’t worry friend, I understand the point you were getting at and thought you just might not have been aware of the statements made. That’s why I made it a point to refer to you as such a gentleman.
Yes, I’m aware of my tendancy to repeat things often – let that be the worst thing said about me and I’ll be fine. While I was nervous when first stepping up to the microphone at that 50th Anniversary celebration hosted by Hofstra last week, once I started going it was hard for me to shut up! LOL.
Just wish the freakish accidents would stop happening. Tejada was a fluke on Sunday and last night was just one of things that could happen. But with Pelfrey now shelved for the season, Bay still out and Torres just coming back, I’m afraid to look into a crystal ball and see what’s up the road for us, health wise.
We’ve had too much our share of injuries beginning in 2009. I don’t think we’ve played with a relatively full deck (compared to other teams since injuries are part of the game) since that time.
MNJ I have to ask the question…
Where was this concern for enjoying a game last year when we still had a shot and you believed we were out of it?
We were enjoying the wins then until someone decided to trade and get rid of the players who were winning them for us!
Not a peep abot his then?
What’s Changed?
Great win overall, Nice job by the mets bullpen, although it was more lack of execution on the phillies part, i mean, they left like 14 men on bases, were like 1-12 with RISP, talk about a team in dire need of their thumpers.. They remind me of the 2009 mets, ok pitching but noone on offense to provide a spark when reyes, delgado and beltran were out.. Yikes..
Valdespin… What can be said? the kid is good, has pop in his bat, is exciting, can be the answer at 2B so we can stop seeing murphy batching ground balls at 2B, talk about a circus show Lol…
Good if not HUGE hit for wright against halladay, wright has been DOMINATED by halladay throughout his career but #5 got the best of him on this occassion and lucky for us..
Niese pitched ok, 5 innings per starter is a recipe for bullpen disaster down the road, but we take the win when we get it..
Also, Dave, when you said this: “David Wright continues to be the non-patch captain of the team” What exactly do you mean?? I like that this guy is on “fire” BA wise and OBP wise, i think this team will be a 500 480 winning % team when it’s all said and done, hopefully he can bring in a boat load of prospects for us to keep piling up the kids in the minors…
wait, .500-.480 translates to 81-78 wins.
what happened to the 69 wins you guaranteed they would have? I went to Vegas and bet my kids entire college fund based on how sure you were!
It still might happen… THe nats are better, the braves are better, the Marlins are better, the Phillies are better… didn’t count on the rest of the NL to be this bad… By the end of the year you might possible have the 2 wild card coming from the NL East along with the Division winner…
Also, Despite your lord sandy trying to sabotage the season with crappy players, it seems omar’s kids have stepped up to the plate and accpet the challenged… It’s a long season and so far we’ve played the cupcake part of our schedule..Not sure whether you remember or not but i also said i believed this team will compete and try their best DESPITE of sandy alderson, you do remember that don’t you??
Why is it always about damn Sandy and Omar? Seriously? Am I supposed to come back with the fact if it wasn’t for Davis and Duda batting a combined .400 then maybe they would be in better shape?
It’s always about Sandy vs. Omar because that’s the only thing they can hang their hat on. Of course it’s always Omar’s kids. Sandy only had one draft. How could anyone Sandy drafted be major league ready? Dang that Sandy for not drafting any of the 24-year-old AAA studs on the board. Funny how it’s Omar’s team because they’re playing well, but all the doom-and-gloomers we’re projecting 69 wins for “Sandy’s” team before the season started.
I don’t think anyone else other than me predicted 69 wins for the team. and the whole sandy vs omar debate were started by sabergooners and sandy’s butt kissers like you and others who fell we got some sort of genius of a GM and kept taking all kinds of shots at poor omar minaya, mind you, i said omar was way in over his head for his horrible signings he kept doing, but to even trashed his farm etc was a bit ridiculous, and it was being done just to put sandy alderson as the reason this team will win etc.. The articles kissing his as* in this site were even getting out of hand, and people like you are the reason why many others keep saying Omar’s kids etc, just a reminder that sandy hasn’t done sh** and to blame omar for the mets injuries etc were a bit ridiculous..
People like me? People who wrote articles on how great a scout and talent evaluater Omar is? About how great his plan was in 2005 when he took over, then ran into problems when he deviated from that plan? About how he left this team in good shape to rebuild? Those people?
Not that it makes a hill of beans difference, but I predicted numbers like you did. So?
Well, i see the Desert Storm group is here… SMH
The Great American Heroes Desert Storm is there, Desert Storm…..!!! Aw no the dreaded Core!!! Shoot them with our sting ray!
alex, your logic here makes no sense.
you say that sandy “sabatoged” the team, and was ‘saved” by calling up guys from the system (of course drafted by someone else, since he has only been on the job for 1 year).
But, those are the players he planned to use. So, basically, the FO evaluated the talent, and decided what would be viable to call up, and kept them (while continuing to develop them).
so there are Sandy’s guys. If he didn’t want to use them, they probably would have been gone. You make it sound like Omar has some stash of players in his garage, and ships them via UPS to Sandy when he needs one.
Every new GM inherits the vast majority of his players and won’t have his own prospects coming up for a number of years. Has to be that way.
So, in effect, you are saying Sandy is a smart GM, right? because if Omar collected some talent finally, Sandy recognized it and factored it into his plans.
Isn’t it ironic to use Alex and logic in the same sentence?
stick,
“alex, your logic here makes no sense.”
Your 1st mistake was assuming he was using logic.
I feel appropriately humbled.
Right and you do jesseP? like saying harold reynolds don’t know baseball because his problem with women over on ESPN??? that logic jesse?
Quick to the Core Cave to regroup my feathered friend.
Even the CORE cave sounds awesome compare to you and your desert buddies who somehow have forgotten you “run” a blog since you guys spend so much time here..
I know it’s hard to imagine people complex enough to multi-task but you have found an entire group of them. In fact, I am working, planning my weekend, blogging on two different sites and grading a test all at the same time. That’s what makes the Desert Storm so talented.
I will have to say this though. Have you noticed that you are the only one placing people in groups? The core in fact is ONLY you. The rest of the people you consider members, you know the ones that agree with you as that is all it takes, never even say they are in your kiddie super hero group.
You haven’t been paying attention because the grouping is also done by jessep and donal. I call them out on it all the time. Maybe you haven’t noticed because you are aligned with them? Sometimes it’s hard to see the outside layer when you are stranded in the inside.
Maniac, you haven’t paid attention. I have went at it with Jessup before as well. I don’t have a “group”. Even the others from the “Desert Storm” as Alex likes to group have disagreed with me on many different topics. Including a post I did yesterday contemplating trading “my hero” Wright.
I have yet to see a place so clique in my life.
Even the others from the “Desert Storm” as Alex likes to group have disagreed with me on many different topics”
Now you’re lying to yourself… Stop it ok…
Really? Go ask NJ if him and I see eye to eye? How about Kingman? LOL. There are pages full of those debates. Go see if Kingman and Ceetar have any issues. We just disagree respectfully and don’t group ourselves into ridiculous childish monikers.
The core in fact is ONLY you”
You mad????
OK Alex, lets have you make a list of cementers here in your “Core” and see how many of them have actually admitted to being in your fictitious super hero group? How many adults would actually give their selves a super hero group nickname? I am just curious?
Actually Alex, what I said was and I quote
“Now look, I’m not gonna get in this debate of who’s opinion is more valuable. For every former big leaguer that says that, I am sure the Mets coaching staff can find you people who disagree with them who have just as much credibility. There’s no magic system. But I will say this. If you knew anything about Harold Reynolds, you wouldn’t say “So in 2 days we’ve had 2 highly respected analysts”
Harold Reynolds is not a highly respected analyst. That’s what I said. Highly respected to me is not “he played 2B slightly above average.” Highly respected means they go about their job in a professional manor.
HR is/was a well known slimeball when he’d visit minor league stadiums. Then he got canned from his job at ESPN for similar reasons.
Big leaguer? Yes. Good TV personality? Yes.
Highly Respected? No.
No You didn’t. that is not what you said, you said he’s not respected or shouldn’t be taken seriously because of his issue on ESPN with women… Something completely off base, but as usual you knew you were wrong and try to flip the script…
Right because I only pasted in the exact quote and went further into explanation for your benefit.
He played the game, everybody has a different view. I supplied a quote from Chipper Jones who is sees it different than HR. Who’s more credible? A future HOF’er or Harold Reynolds? For every player you can find who thinks like HR, I am sure I can find one that thinks like Chipper.
However, if you are bringing up Harold Reynolds you cannot say he is highly respected. Because he is not. YOU may respect him (which is odd to respect somebody you know nothing about), but in his field, he is not highly respected. He’s got a job and he’s paid to give his views. Respect is earned, not given because of your job. People in the field do not “highly respect” a man who is a known slimeball and was fired for being one.
Steve Phillips is another great example. He does a good job when he does his job… but if you think he’s “highly respected” with his track record, then we have a totally different view of what is to be respected.
Also, I believe in the chat log the statement was made that “Reynolds gets paid hundreds of thousands of dollars so who are you to question his opinion….”
Then, when I responded with “Sandy Alderson gets paid hundreds of thousands of dollars so how come you guys can question his opinion…” there was no reply.
LOL.
Should we start a fund for sending Any’s kids to college?
now that sounds like a fine, altruistic idea.
well Any yoyu might still collect on that bet, We just lost Tejada and Thole two of the hitters who have been the most consistent since April aside from Murphy and Wright!
Who knows what affect not having Thole calling games the next 7-15 days will have?
Who know what affect not having Tejada on base will do to the RS column?
And if Santana has a set back you might be LUCKY to win 60+ games!
Cause Bautistra and Schwinden will be in your rotatio for the remainder!
True or Davis and Duda could rise out of the desert and back to even the low side of projections.
Anything can happen TRS I think thats the point!
yes we beat the down in the dumps Phillies and their Ace yesterday, great to see…
But there is a lot of baseball to be played and anything can happen!
What IS important to note is how quickly the POLES on this We Suck/We WIN magnetosphere has flipped!
The guys who were all claiming how TRULY AWFUL this team was and how it needed to have an eraser and broom taken to it before it could be fixed are now the ones crowing about how great the team is while the ones who knew it could be this good and deserved some veteran help are now the skeptics and refuse to believe the winning can sustain!
Truthfully, Charlie Manuel helped out with this win as much as Papelbon did. Manuel made it a little easier for Parnell and Byrdak.
- In the bottom of the 8th, Wigginton singles.
- Ruiz – arguably one of their best offensive bats at the moment – is asked to bunt. I’m thinking ‘bunt’??? He got lucky and got on when he bunted as Parnell fell down.
- Polanco is also asked to bunt – and does so successfully so now there’s one out.
Next two batters up are the light hitting Galvis and back-up rookie catcher, Kratz, which Manuel tells to swing away.
- Galvis hits a come backer to Parnell – which unfortunately resulted in the Wiggenton/Thole play at the plate.
- Kratz strikes out to end the inning.
I don’t think Charlie gets the idea of small ball. That’s like asking Murphy and Duda to bunt the runners over and counting on Nickeas and Turner to drive them in.
The rumblings from Philly fans on ‘Charlie must go’ have started.
Who did you want him to bring in on that situation?? He’s got noone else to play!! The offense is struggling and smbling for runs, he has to play small ball and rely on his pitching.. how did manuel give this away? The desert is clearly messing up people’s mind over there when i see comments liike this.. Once again SMH
I was commenting on his decision to have Ruiz and Polanco bunt – not that he didn’t PH for Galvis and Kratz.
If Terry did that, Mets fans would be all over him like white on rice.
he is the home team, not sure what else you wanted him to do!?
Oh, I don’t know….how about not taking the bat out of the hands of his better hitters?
And where did I say ‘give this away’?
The exaggerating that goes on here sometimes is part of the reason for the never ending heated debates that get nowhere. I said ‘helped out’ – you read ‘gave it away’. Now I’m SMH.
And even better, the obnoxious Phils fans were booing the team coming off the field. Talk about “what have you done for me lately”! True colors always come out.
Mets fans boooed Santana on his second start as a met when roughed up by milwaukee, what colors are you talking about? if the team is not playing well etc fans let the team know, plain and simple.. Some fans elect not to boo the players, others (and by others i mean majority of them) do…
I meant, that the phillies fans have a century of tradition for being like that (negative, booing their stars, etc.) But suddenly with this recent run by the team, they morphed into some kind of Yankee fans (major better than everyone else, sense of entitlement, etc.).
But, as soon as the team seems to be struggling a bit, they turn on them. As if whatever years in a row in the playoffs never happened.
and yes, there will always be fans that boo anyone, whether it makes logical sense or not. And some players, for whatever reason, seen to draw it. But that is still different than booing the team as a whole.
besides, I hate the Phillies.
Agree, I take my chances with Placebo instead of two guys that couldn’t make the Mets.
The Mets won a great game. I’m not sure why everything has to be about Alderson or Minaya. It’s so lame. It’s like every pitch some people go “Base hit for Omar!” or “Way to ground out Sandy!”
There is so much more to being successful in a big league uniform than the GM who happened to be “in office” when you were acquired or drafted. Do you think any hitters (any at all) credit Hudgens with helping them? Does that factor in? What about the clubhouse atmosphere? Maybe that has improved? Maybe the “philosophy” or plate discipline in the minors has helped some of these kids in the majors?
Not everything is “well Omar’s scouting director drafted him in the 10th round.” There’s more to the game than the GM. Whether it be Sandy, Omar or Phillips.
Only Sandy, Omar or Phillips? Tony Bernazard is waiting for his credit too. lol. I think he’s fighting four rounders now. But he’s staying in shape. Go Tony!!!
You guys never stopped bringing up Omar the last few years, saying he left a mess, he depleted the farm system, ect. None of you guys had a problem with bringing up Omar when he was viewed poorly. And only NOW that some fans are recognizing him for the good job he did with the minors, your saying to “stop bringing up Omar!!”
ROFL! This is hilarious!
Vinny I can’t speak for anyone else but for me, I am just tired of the debate. There is so much good going on but also so many things to be concerned about that wasting our time on the same 3 debates seems pointless and detrimental to the great writers of this blog. Every post here has to turn into the same thing and when the Mets have a great win last night some have to run here and say it proves their point in one of those 3 debates. Doesn’t it get boring to you? Am I saying I am innocent? Nah, I get pulled in to. I have weak moments just saying I would prefer to talk about Thole being out and Batista not being the right choice to start and what happens when Cedeno is ready and if V-spin can play a decent SS?
Vinny I can’t speak for anyone else but for me, I am just tired of the debate”
You can always go back to YOUR blog and do what some of your buddies told joey D and GTFO!
Why would I do that and allow you to continue to spread ignorance in every corner? The Core would run amuck.
Sigh…. Maybe, and just maybe you’d stop being mad the day the CORE salute you… Likely it wont happen but hope is free…
Alex, you are mistaking anger for truth. I have told you before but you continue to ignore it. The core is a figment of your child imagination. There is no kiddie super hero group running around trying to thwart the do gooders. LOL. You are on the wrong blog, maybe a Marvel Comics or DC Comics blog would be more fitting?
Hmmmm, thanks… The CORE appreciates it…
Hey I bet you and Rickey Henderson would really like each other. You guys always speak in 3rd person. Imagine that conversation.
Yep Vinny you hit the nail on the head!
They don;’t want to talk about it because they hate talking about the numerous times they have been DEAD WRONG!
Just Sweep it under the rug! LOL
There is no right or wrong in this debate because it’s perception. One person may view a team completely out of it at 7.5 games out and behind 4 teams, others might view it as in the thick of things. Luckily the GM doesn’t consult any of us before making his decisions.
That’s not what Metsie was talking about.
No the difference is based on AGENDA TRS it always has been!
When the guys who now are in love with the team thought it was a useless pile of Omar Crap it was in their interests to make the MiLs should like Pirate doo doo to promote what they wanted to see done! Which was to take a broom to the roster and rebuild from the draft because our Kids were just useless and not worthy of the MLB.
Now that they have shown they ARE worthy of being in the MLB They realize that their previous position was DEAD WRONG and to hide that from being the topic they have resorted to Crowing about how great this team that they said sucked is and chastise anyone who points out the fact that the moves they actually DID like and still may trip us up get called out as NON-FANS to make the discussion about the Poster not what the accusers WRONGLY claimed was so awful 6 months ago!
BOrInG. TiMe tO MoVe oN.
From what I read, nobody credited Omar with a win, only with Valdespin as I plainly stated in my comment last night. And if that bothers you, than just move on and stop telling fans what they can or cannot rant or rave about. Stop acting like you have dictatorial powers here.
“Jordany Valdespin becomes the new Omir Santos with a three run shot off Papelbon in the ninth to give the Mets the lead and eventually the win.”
Santos and Valdespin bring fear to Papelbon. lol. The invincible Philly reliever becomes ordinary. He’s got to do more when these guys are up than throw over the middle of the plate. Spin golfed a low, middle of the plate pitch.
“So, you’ve elected to make it about you. Good job. that will earn you some respect.
“Ever been called a liar? ”
What do you call someone who repeatedly says things that are misleading or flat out untrue?
“Ever been called condescending because of your age?”
You haven’t. This is another lie. You have been called condescending because you say condescending things. Age is your hang up, not mine.
“Ever have one personally ridicule your integrity despite efforts of trying to keep the disagreement civil?”
You made it personal before anyone else. When you make the point of the conversation the person’s age or that they supposedly only know baseball from a computer or book (despite not knowing one thing about the person you are speaking down to), you make it personal. It doesn’t matter how nicely you greet them. In fact, that sort of thing makes you seem disingenuous.
“I don’t have the thick skin to tolerate such infant behavior as others might so it may be best for me to just continue discussing the Mets on the other blogs I participate rather than MMO where more people act like you do (and I mean that sincerely, North)
This certainly isn’t worth it – and that, my friend, is the real big shame.”
Or maybe you can take an honest look at how you are approaching things. Maybe you can extend the same respect (and I mean real respect) to others as you seem to think you are entitled to.
Maybe, just maybe, you can make the discussion about the facts presented rather than about your assumptions of the other person and how quickly you can dismiss them. And then, you can learn to not construct arguments based on a pile of logical fallacies.
- By his own testimony, I rest my case.
Can we seriously stop these stupid Omar vs Sandy debates as well as the Ruben vs Reyes debates? I know traffic might go down but there is so much more worthy of discussing.
Time for a rousing debate of quantilla vs. Cedeno, and Johnson vs. May.
You rest your case?
You didn’t dispute anything I said.
\In that case, I will accept your concession on the condition that you actually apply what you’ve learned.
just call it a mistrial and move on. Nothing to see here people…
Stick, you are absolutely correct. It goes nowhere. I just ask that in the future those few individuals I’m addressing (from both sides of an argument) try to rip apart and mock anyone’s opposite position but leave it in that context and not make it a personal issue. There is no excuse for that.
And again, it was a great game last night. The young kids are displaying the poise and character I saw with them last year before I felt the towel was thrown in by the front office for financial reasons (Billy Beane admits he’s forced to do the same with young talent as they become eligible for arbitration or free agency because nothing has been accomplished yet in the franchise’s desire to move to San Jose). I really hope the front office goes out to try and obtain some further help so these kids might have a shot for post-season play.
Joey, you think the FO threw in the towel last year and gave up on a good team? Hmmm… I wasn’t aware.
“Stick, you are absolutely correct. It goes nowhere. I just ask that in the future those few individuals I’m addressing (from both sides of an argument) try to rip apart and mock anyone’s opposite position but leave it in that context and not make it a personal issue. There is no excuse for that.”
Then don’t make it about things that are not relevant to the discussion. There is no reason to bring up the other person’s age unless you are trying to distract from the facts as they are presented.
And don’t lie about what other people say. It is very disrespectful.
So, keep on crying and playing victim.
Oh Please what a crock! When you stop making your posts about the people we might be tempted to follow your lead but you are the #1 offender in these personal attacks by you incessant sniping at poster who have an opinion in conflict with your buddies Jessp and Xtreeme!
You attempts at being the Luca Brazzi of the Moneyball movement is what causes 99.9% of all the personal argments here!
Joey D, Dont let Jessep and Donal run you off this blog like they have so many others before you. You didnt do anything wrong and have been the most respectful poster on these threads. Better to just ignore those simpletons and continue to speak your mind whenever you want. I know how difficult it is to ignore their snark and disrespect, but when you realize where it comes from it makes it easier to realize an earthworm has more relevancy than those two do.
Maniac:
“You haven’t been paying attention because the grouping is also done by jessep and donal. I call them out on it all the time. ”
Can you please tell me what I’ve said to Joey D? If you hate grouping so much that when it happens to you, you call me a nazi (inappropriate and doesn’t make sense), can you explain to me why I am even mentioned in this Joey D thread? I haven’t typed a word to Joey D in god knows how long… nor did I take part in this dispute with him.
So why am I mentioned?
Hi Jessep,
Please know you were not one of those I was referring to. I did not want to call out names but simply left it being “some” who have opposite opinions.
Know we haven’t replied to each other’s comments in quite a while but when we did, it has always been civil. And how could you be a Nazi when the team we both love is owned by a few of my own Jewish bretheron? LOL.
Hi Maniac,
And thanks so much for the kind words. I’ll try not to, but I think it’s a shame that some (and from both sides of the fences) have forgotten this forum is to provide people with a pleasant diversion for a few hours and instead take the subject matter as seriously as a baby coming down with a fever. It might even be more than just that, but I don’t want to get involved in armchair psychology.
No problem with Maniac throwing out lies and insults.
You don’t have a problem when you do it either…
“Joey D, Dont let Jessep and Donal run you off this blog like they have so many others before you.”
You should let Joe D know. He’s under the impression the site is getting more traffic and activity than ever. I’m sure you’d know better.
And, ya, I’, the guy who goes into attack mode whenever a new person comes by with a differing opinion. I’m, the one who babbles about the “new breed of fan”.
“You didnt do anything wrong and have been the most respectful poster on these threads. ”
Yes, nothing says respect like talking down to a person you have no idea about.
“I know how difficult it is to ignore their snark and disrespect, but when you realize where it comes from it makes it easier to realize an earthworm has more relevancy than those two do.”
Joey D fully endorses messages like this.
Good lessons practice what you preach!
Hey, if anybody is interested in going to TRS86 blog here’s where you can go to post comments and opinions:
http://www.saharamet.com/archives/photo/screen3.jpg
LOL, nice. Consider us the oasis in the sands of ignorance.
I was grinning from ear to ear when my boy Valdespin went deep off Papelbum. It’s a shame that it had to take Tejada going splat down the 1st base line to start giving Valdespin a real opportunity. With that said, START HIM ALREADY! If he exceeds at short, keep him on the team, even when Tejada & Cedeno comes back. We will need him a lot more than Torres.
LOL, lets keep an Even Flow about this. It’s one hit right now and he has not shown to be a plus defender either so lets not place any undue pressure on him… yet.
Well, you can’t show much when you’ve played a grand total of 11 innings in your time in the majors. All I ask is from the Mets is to have Valdespin really get his feet wet in the big leagues. If we see more of Valdespin like I want, he’ll eventually make it just as difficult to send him down to Buffalo like Nieuwenhuis.
I don’t think you can compare V-spin and Kirk at all only to the extent that they are in the Mets system. Also, where would you have played V-Spin? It’s not like Torres hasn’t done well since his return or that he should have started over Kirk, Murphy or Ruben.
If it was up to me, Valdespin would be in CF, Kirk in RF, and Duda in LF. For now obviously, he’s our shortstop till Ruben returns. Of course you find yourself between a rock and a hard place with Kirk, Murph and Tejada because we need them in the lineup. Yes, Torres is doing well since coming back from injury, but in my eyes would benefit us better off the bench for defensive purposes or when he need a big hit. Torres will cool down not long after this so don’t fall in love with him. People made the exact same mistake with Angel Pagan.
Yet V-spin has so little experience in CF that you could be losing runs there as well. I think he should have never been called up YET in the first place. He was doing great, leave him there to refine his approach and then call him up when you have a place for him to start, not a place for him to sit.
Well Spin is going to get some time at SS now. I suspect he and Turner will platoon in some way (maybe not R/L traditional Platoon).
I’m a bit suspicious of him as an OFer and with Torres back I don’t see the need to put him there.
At some point a decision is going to have to be made on Spin, (Maybe not this year though) Tejada will be back at some point, The Murphy Experiment will draw a conclusion on it’s permanence and just about the only move they can make to utilize Spin is to trade either Spin himself, Wright, Murphy or Tejada to make a space. If Wright gets traded Murphy moves to third, Spin to 2B.
If tejada gets traded Spin plays SS and if Muphy gets traded 2B as well.
I have said it over and over this team has a glt of IFers and until Sandy plls the trigger and trades some of it for something we need we are going to waste a lot of good kids who have no place to play because our IF is filled to the brim with the hitters this team so desperatly relies on!
Metsie, I don’t see any reason why they would trade Tejada. They obviously had faith in Tejada becoming their everyday SS based partly on how the Reyes stuff went down. So why would they deal him away?
I also am still wondering why people think Wright will be traded. He’s under team control next year which means it’d probably take an amazing offer to deal him away. Frankly, I think Wright will retire a Met.
I do think Spin can be a trade commodity. He’s young, and if he proves he can play, there may be a spot for him on another team because there likely won’t be one here.
I don’t see a reason to trade ANY of the names I mentioned other than the reasons I mentioned….
having a good player you can’t use is as good as not having him!
With all the IFs we have in the MiLs and MLB Roster there simply is not enough room for all of them and throwing them in the OF is not a very good solution!
Especially considering how many OFs we have coming down the line as well!
Something has to give, what it is I can’t say I gave up trying to predict what Sandy might do and settle for the one constant whatever he does will be cheap!
As for why I think he will trade Wright well for the same reasons he traded Beltran, K-Rod and let reyes go!
he doesn’t like to pay market value for good players, doesn’t want to commit to anything long term unless it is to buy out arbitration which is an act that has no negotiation ability inherent in the proccess and he likes to get Kids for Kings on a wholesale basis and has yet to get that from anyone we have traded to date!
He just lost pelfrey, (a guy he called a PLUS pitcher) for good as it is unlikely he is going to tender him ntil he is healthy and that means pelfrey is FA at the end of the year. he may have Harvey to take his place but Familia isn’t lighting up the league and seems to have a liking for Murphy (I tend to agree with him on that) as an emotional cog of the winning spirit we have.
That says to me if Wright doesn’t start playing so good that he warrants a Big Money 6 years deal from Sandy (and who knows just how good that has to be) it is much more likely he will trade Wright for Kids and move Mrphy to his natural position and open up the 2B spot for the gaggle of IFs he has that are about ready to be promoted.
Wright is the best candidate to get you a decent starting pitcher especially if you couple Familia into the deal if he is still just mediocre at the time of the trade.
So yes I think a trade is in order in the futre to solve the logjam and who it is is anyone’s guess!
Could be Spin, Cold be Wright the least likely would appear to be Murphy!
We will see soon enough!
Don’t forget Havens in this mix as well.
True but I’m honestly not giving any thought to Havens until he proves he can be healthy. He’s just way way too injury prone to have any sort of value.
I’d say honestly for the next 7 years the plan will be Wright 3B, Tejada SS, Ike 1B. So it’s what they do at 2B and C that will be question marks for the future.
Ideally I’d love to say Murph (more defensive reasons) and Thole can hack it there for the next 5-7 years but as much as I like both players… I’m not confident they will.
Man I hope you are right about Ike. The guy has got to come out that that slump and stop guessing sometime right?
Hi TR,
I remember Ike started off slowly last season as well and then came on and unfortunately got injured.
Hope that means he is just a slow starter and this slump is not a sign that Dessert Fever is affecting him more than we were led to believe. Even when he was first called up in 2010, he already was into the season down in the minors.
Joey,
I am not sure your memory is correct on Ike from last year. The guy was on fire from the beginning.
10 games in: .351 .419 .568 .986
20 games in: .290 .378 .522 .900
30 games in: .312 .394 .569 .963
36 games in: .302 .383 .543 .925
So he might have been different shades of hot but nothing like what he is going through now.
Hi TR,
You’re right – I looked it up.
I think I was remembering more the reactions by those in the Champions Club during last year’s home opener when they were groaning because Davis struck out looking with the tying run on third with one out in the sixth . Might also have been because it was so cold outside they went inside to the lounge, had a few drinks to warm up and thus being a bit typsy by that time were making Ike appear worse than he was. One remembers little things like that more than the game when one gets his only opportunity to ever sit in such luxury – and near Snookie.
He may have been confusing Ike with Duda!
Duda notoriosly starts off slow and then takes off.
Ike was pretty mch good out of the gate and his problem is most likely de to missing nearly and entire year of seeing MLB Pitching.
Beltran had the same problem coming back in 2010, took him almost two months to get his timing and swing back. And Beltran had a lot more experience to draw from than Ike does.
He will be fine jst have to let him work through it.
The only time Ike has been mired in a slmp like this was his first year, came in hot and then then they adjusted to him and it took him a month to re-adjust. It was during that slmp that he developed this bad habit of questioning the UMPs on calls and lets hope he doesn’t do that this time because he needs all the help he can get right now!
Thanks Metsi, but I made a mistake.
Davis was being the butt of many a gripe inside that lounge and that’s what I remembered, not what his actual performance was.
Ever sit in the champions section? Besides the free food, they have a bar that fans can put their money down – and I think the Mets were making a lot of cash from this that day.
The seats were given to me less than three hours before game time by one of our area directors who got them from a vendor (guess he had trouble giving them away since I work in a different department
). The ticket price was $189 for season holders and $219 for single games so no wonder so many turned to drink!
I find it humorous that one game winning home run and some of patting each other on the back because he’s “Omar’s” boy. So, now we can determine the future of this guy’s career by one big hit? Personally I hope he does turn out to be a great player since he is wearing METS across his chest.
On another subject, what’s the over/under that JV gets drilled tonight?
Nobody is determining his career by one hit. We just find it humorous that the young players who are coming up now and playing well, came from the same minor league system that was bashed on here on a daily basis.
Like I already said, nobody had a problem with bringing up Omar’s minors when they were viewed poorly, only now that some fans are recognizing him for the good job he did with the minors, they have a problem with it.
If not for the great guidance of the new coaches and philosophy of the Sandy regime these kids would have continued to stink… LOL. I am completely saying this in jest as that is all I can do anymore in this argument is joke about it.
If you don’t like this argument, then comment on something else.
And like I said about Valdespin even before last night, he’s a very valuable prospect because of his versatility, and his athleticism – He can play both middle infield positions, and play the OF(where I thought he looked pretty good in ST). He has a lot of speed(37 SB’s in the minors last year), and some pop(17HR’s and 32 2B’s in 134 games last year).
So, he’s a guy that I was high on even before his big HR last night.