25
2012
Mets Promote Jack Egbert From Buffalo, Option Robert Carson To Binghamton
An article by Hojo's Mojo
The Mets announced that they have optioned LHP Robert Carson to Double-A Binghamton and purchased the contract of RHP Jack Egbert from Triple-A Buffalo to replace him on the roster.
Egbert has been having a fine season at Buffalo where is 2-3 with a 2.08 ERA in 17 appearances spanning 26 innings. He has allowed 22 hits and 5 walks while striking out 17 batters.
Carson allowed two runs in three innings over two games with the Mets.
The Mets also announced that reliever D.J. Carrasco has been released from the team. In two seasons with the Mets, Carrasco went 1-3 with a 6.11 ERA in 53 innings pitched.
Thoughts from Joe D. – Yesterday I wrote the following on this situation:
I’m not going to go into another diatribe on why Josh Edgin isn’t ready like I did a couple of weeks ago, but I wonder how many Mets fans realize that among pitchers who have thrown ten or more innings this season for the Bisons, Josh Edgin (5.02 ERA) has the worst ERA followed by Matt Harvey (4.35 ERA) and Jeurys Familia (4.31 ERA). That’s right, those three have the worst ERA’s on our Triple-A team. And yet you can’t go one day without reading or hearing about them coming to Flushing. There’s a ton of noise out there.
I always feel bad for the players who are more deserving that nobody ever talks about like Jack Egbert and Elvin Ranirez who we have been writing about almost on a daily basis on MMO.
Good luck and congrats to Egbert who I believe will do a good job for the Mets out of the bullpen.
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And Acosta survives again.
and yet, Manny survives again. Do they really see potential for anything worthwhile at this point? Interesting to say the least.
Good for egbert getting his shot, and I would not be surprised if Ramirez is not too far behind. Though it may be Beato…
finally , he will help us a lot !!!!
Amen! This local Hero was born in Staten Island and Raised in Rutherford, NJ. He stared at both Rutherford High School and Rutgers University. Lets go Egbert!
Mets management must have been looking for a magic potion to give Robert Carson a shot in the bigs. During his prior two years, he got lit up at Binghamton like he was a pin ball table. I saw him on MiLB a few times and It was almost always ugly. In 2010, Carson gave up 12.6 H/9 while sporting a 1.870 WHIP. In 2011, it wasn’t much better. Carson gave up 10.8 H/9 with his 1.629 WHIP.
What was management projecting for Carson? Was it to make him a Byrdak type LOOGY? Was that realistic considering his mediocre play at AA?
actually what I think they were doing was making a decision based on who did they care less about ruining to fill thier MLB pitching hole…..
Most of the guys in AAA are in a positon that you don’t want to rush them.
I’m sure most of the guys in AA also fit that description.
And you would never bring a kid from A ball up to the majors like that
If they bring them up too soon you could hurt their development.
But if you bring a guy who does not appear to be developing at all what can you really hurt?
He was here to eat some innings if they needed it.
I guess they feel they don’t need it right now and could use better pen help for the rest of the starters in the rotation!
Metsie — Interesting insight by you. Maybe a bulls-eye. Nothing else makes sense to me. BTW, last night the Padres hit a number of shots off Carson.
Well the interview with Alderson during the rain delay had some influence there Des…
He stressed at one point that thier thinking with many of the kids in AAA and the Minors in general is that they are trying to make a concerted effort to not have the MLB influence the decisions for some of the players in the Minors.
Harvey Familia and Wheeler were specifically mentioned there but I’m sure that list is a lot longer.
Mejia was cited as an example where they might make a decision on bringing him up after he has finished rehab starts and is ready to pitch regularly based on events happening at the MLB level.
Sandy said if we were still in the playoff race around July and needed Bullpen help Mejia would be considered for promotion. But he also said if that was not the case they might dfelay bringing him up and continue his development.
And I have to say it was one of the smartest things I have ever heard Sandy say to date!
He’s not going to let the MLB events dictate promotions for developing players for the most part, but depending on how ready they might be a playoff run might make a difference in specific cases (such as Mejia).
And if you take that philosophy all the way down the road you can conclude what I did about Carson…He’s not in the long term plans and even if he was at best he would be in the pen so bringing him up had no downside other than costing us a game we were probably already out if if and when he got into it!
Which was surely the case last night!
Metsie — Drat. I missed the rain delay and the interview. I try to not let my life interfere with the Mets games, but occasionally it gets in the way!
P.S.: I came back to see most of the shellacking and that’s something I should have missed. Dreadful.
Yep the best part about it is there were absoloutly NO distractions for the entire interview…
No Interruptions to call Play by Play, No Events to change the subject…
Just asking of questions ans Sandy answering!
He was scheduled for one inning and I think we got more than that considering there was no quick innings to end it early.
And for once the trading of Wright was not a centerpiece! Which said to me maybe Sandy has turned the corner on keeping him.
Is that why Acosta has been here all year?
Acosta ha been here for two reasons that I have mentioned but most people seem to ignore or forgot about…
1 – He’s out of options and if you try to move him down he’s probably gone…
Why is that important or even a problem for Sandy?
2 – 2nd Half 2011 – 2.31 ERA 4 Saves 11BB 38K .252BAA .315OBPA .341SLGA .656OPSA 1.2WHIP
The guy is a second half pitcher and almost ALWAYS has been.
1st Half of 2011 6.75ERA .314BAA .364OBPA .667SLGA 1.030OPSA
His Career splits tell the same story….
1st Half – 100G 5.40 ERA 76R 118H 20HR 59BB 83K .274BAA .364OBPA .474SLGA .838OPSA
2nd Half – 106G 2.85ERA 38R 99H 8HR 48BB 112K .243BAA .327OBPA .341SLGA .668OPSA
The guy simply does not pitch well in the 1st half but is a pretty damn good pitcher after July!
Now I’m not sure if they had the option to leave him down for the first half of the season anymore than they can now.
But if they didn’t the best thing to do would have been to trade him in the offseason and get something you can use all year around after putting up good numbers in the 2nd half and being one of the more reliable guys we had in that mess of a 2011 bullpen!
there is a slow start, and then there is a horrific stretch of absolute suckitude. And an ERA of almost 11 pretty much qualifies as that.
but you are correct that holding out hope he can do it again is likely the only reason he is still here.
The thing here is…
Sandy has seen him for one season only…
Last year he was sent down in the first half and then came back as was the most reliable Pen arm he had…
And thats why Sandy may have missed the history because for all he knew, Acosta worked out his problems last year and got it. But the numbers of Acosta in the past showed it isn’t that he took another step he just did well when he always does.
Maybe it has something to do with the temps or weather. Humid weather makes the ball travel less (hence the Humidor in Colorado!)
And when you look at the number the most glaring one is the one on HRs!
20HRs given up in the first half only 8 in the second.
So the temps and weather could very likely be his issue!
Insightful…If I might add; perhaps Carson’s cup of coffee will enflame his desire to get to the Show.
Des, the move was mostly about 40 man roster spots and options. Carson came up because he was already ont he 40 man, so he could be sent down and the move would not risk losing any other players.
In a perfect world everything is based on who is deemed to be performing the best right now, but in reality, contracts and roster implications play a big part.
any — Thanks for your view which I overlooked. Actually I like Carson. He’s a well spoken young man with a pleasant personality. But his results tell me to be wary of counting on him for more than minor contributions.
P.S.: Sometimes I think he has problems syncing his upper and lower torso movements. Yet he’s so strong there is less negative impact now.
This just in.
RHP Pedro Beato has been promoted to Buffalo to continue his ML rehab. Beato had tossed 4.0 scoreless innings with St. Lucie.
http://twitter.com/Mets/statuses/206099857948147713
In response to Joe D….
Thats because there are a lot of “Fans” who don’t know anything and go solely on the BA List of prospects!
If BA doesn’t mention them then they are deemed no good and not worth having!
Of course anyone who reads Pete’s articles regularly would know that we have a lot of promising kids that are doing well and can be potential pieces in the future of this franchise…
But because they did not get a mention from Baseball America they are not worth squat to us in some people’s minds.
If your not on BA’s list your never going to amount to anything according to them!
I don’t get why you act like BA only mentions 10 players and then that’s it?
There is a lot more to Baseball America than what you make it out to be.
No matter if it’s BA, Petey or some other publication… if you don’t follow MiLB games you’re going to read about players and that is how you get your information.
I’m not sure why we trash Baseball America to be honest. They are as legit of a minor league baseball website as you’ll find out there.
There is more to Baseball America than a Top 10 list or a Top 100.
And to make 1 more point, I’m also not sure why we act as though Baseball America isn’t gathering information from professional scouts.
“Our prospect ratings are based on our own research and conversations with scouts, managers, instructors, front-office personnel and others in the game. Obviously all of that input is very important, but we make the final determination about where players fit on our various lists.”
If you were privied to seeing any MLB teams own list of “top prospects” you’d have just as many doubts about theirs as you do with Baseball America.
I know you don’t get i because your the main guy who uses BA’s list to determine how good what we have is!
So tell me how many Mets are on the top 100 List over at BA?
Who are the top 10 for us and what have they done to be there?
How many of them actually have the statistical justification compared to guys BA chose to NOT list?
“I know you don’t get i because your the main guy who uses BA’s list to determine how good what we have is!”
Really? I’m the MAIN Guy who does that? Tell me when I did that to the degree that makes me the “main guy” please? Or was it the voice inside your head?
“So tell me how many Mets are on the top 100 List over at BA?” – I have no idea. But since I’m the main guy, I guess I can go look for you, hold on
Okay I’m back. Looks like we have two. Wheeler and Harvey.
So what exactly does that prove again?
“Who are the top 10 for us and what have they done to be there? – I have no idea. But since I’m the main guy, I guess I can go look for you, hold on.
1. Zack Wheeler, rhp
2. Matt Harvey, rhp
3. Brandon Nimmo, of
4. Jeurys Familia, rhp
5. Cesar Puello, of
6. Jenrry Mejia, rhp
7. Kirk Nieuwenhuis, of
8. Michael Fulmer, rhp
9. Reese Havens, 2b
10. Wilmer Flores, ss
What’s your point?
“How many of them actually have the statistical justification compared to guys BA chose to NOT list?” – So just so I am clear, you want to rely heavily on statistics when projecting a prospects outcome? Got it.
I have no idea why they are top 10. I’d imagine it’s based on what I told you about Baseball America. People around the sport like them more than they like the other prospects the Mets have.
What is the point?
Nobody has ever said Baseball America has to be right, nor has anybody ever said that if your name is not mentioned then you will not have a career…
But what do I know? I’m the “main” baseball america guy without a subscription to the website …
“Tell me when I did that to the degree that makes me the “main guy” please? ”
Back when you so busy grasping for straws to trash the Minors to say Sandy got a far worse team than Omar did, To Justify trading All Stars for Kids, for just about any point you made that involved your WE NEED TO REBUILD THE MINORS Agenda…
Go read those past statements where you claimed our Minors were a shambles and we needed to take 4 or 5 years to rebuild those Minors before it was worth getting and keeping any all stars!
I have to tell you Jesse this “Who Me?” act you and your two buddies have been playing recently since your argument from the past year has collapsed is pretty boring, and certainly not working!
This isn’t the first time we have debated the usefulness of BA’s list and in just about all debates we always end on the same note….
Nimmo is #3 without playing a single MiL game or even having an AB!
F-Mart was atop the list for years!
And whatever it is you think that list tells you is hurt by those types of facts!
Sorry Early Triger there….
Finally this…
“People around the sport like them more than they like the other prospects the Mets have.”
Thats where and why you fail relying on that as the source of what is tradeable and what is not!
BA has no clue what anyone else likes all it does is ask scouts who have no decision making or team building responsibilities whatsoever!
But you go right on believing those are the only players anyone wants!
Play the fool as it suits you!
Again, you’re reading what you want to believe you’ve read. The voices inside your head are messing with you.
I rely on people who know what they are talking about to give me some insight into the farm system. You have 2 choices, either read and make an opinion or don’t read and make an opinion. You have NO idea what is in the Mets farm system without the luxury of publications like BA.
You’re not smarter than MLB Scouts, or Baseball America. They probably put Nimmo there because people around the sport like what they see. Bryce Harper was the #1 Nats scout before he ever stepped foot in a pro uniform. Its about projecting based on the tools a kid has. That’s what they do.
They aren’t saying “this is what he will become.” They are saying “this is what he CAN become.”
You’re acting like BA is guaranteeing that the Mets top 10 specs turn into their Top 10 players. They aren’t saying that. They are saying, these 10 guys have the best tools and if they develop those tools they will be quality big leaguers.
So stop acting like you know more than a publication that’s been writing about baseball since 1980.
Unless you’re telling me you drive to every minor league park and see every player, I’ll rely more on the insight from Baseball America than from Metsie from MMO.
Both are wrong often, but only one does so with a touch of insanity.
You rely on people you THINK know what they are talking about because they believe in the same Philosophy as you!
And I most certainly CAN know whats in the Minor Leagues without BA’s list!
I can go to games (Binghampton and Brooklyn are less than 89 Miles away from me!)
I can go look at thier performance on thier respective Web Sites!
I have Pete and the rest of the MiL correspondents here to point out players who are doing well!
So truth is YOUR the only one who has to a does rely on a single source!
The same source who said F-Mart was a can’t miss prospect how many years in a row?
The Source who has Nimmo at the top of our MiL system despite not even being assigned to a MiL team yet!
With Sources like that you might as well just pick names out of a hat!
BTW this is another example of YOU acting your same arrogant self thinking your more informed than any other person and is the only one who can ascertain what is a good source or not!
This is why you have been getting raked over the coals with I Told you So so much recently!
I remember you claiming we were 2 or 3 years away from competing, Said we had no kids in the Minors who were worth having and here we are 2nd place in the division because of all those kids BA led you to believe we did not have!
Great Source there slappy!
“You rely on people you THINK know what they are talking about because they believe in the same Philosophy as you!”
What philosophy do Baseball America and Jessep of MMO share?
Also, I didn’t realize that you going to games 89 miles away from you meant you knew more about the minor leagues than baseball america. Shame on me I guess?
How come you are able to rely on Pete’s blogs but not also Baseball America?
You realize BA covers all over Minor League Baseball right? It’s not some anti Mets publication.
And just so we’re clear, you’re saying you can tell us who will be better big leaguers based on their stats in minor league baseball? Interesting… so you use stats to evaluate talent? Hmm
Stop acting like you know more than Baseball America. I mean 89 miles away is real impressive. I’ll have to see what is 89 miles away from my house so I can list myself as an expert.
And you do realize this entire commentary thread is only proving exactly what I said before you entered into this duscussion?
You use BA and nothing else!
And any other source of FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE is useless compared to BA!
EXACTLY why you came to the wrong concolusion, wrong answer when you stated we have no MiL system to build with and it would take 3-4 years to rebuild it!
I don’t care what Philosophy they and you use…
Because you BOTH have been wrong more often than right in your conclusions!
Metsie, you got me… I use BA and nothing else. Yet I didn’t even know who their Top 10 was… weird.
I just value it more than your views, even though you are only 89 miles away from Binghamton.
I use BA when the Mets trade for Wheeler to tell me Wheeler has solid potential. I’ll use other reports too if available.
I don’t even read Baseball America, therefore your assumption is just that…..
“Because you BOTH have been wrong more often than right in your conclusions!”
So has every single MLB scout and executive, does that mean you know more than them?
So which is it here Jesse….
You don’t read BA or you DO read BA when the Mets trade for someone?
Duplicity Galores here!
You say you don’t only rely on BA (nor even read it) yet whenever someone mentions them who is ALWAYS the only one to come running to thier Defense?
Good Ole “Who Me?” Jessup!
Do I know more than some Baseball Scouts?
Maybe I do!
Just because I had other careeer choices doesn’t mean I could not have been a damn good scout!
As for my abilities lets review…
I was the first along with JoeD who complained that Torres was a no-hit and barely fast acquisition that made the everyday CF position worse compared to Pagan…
What was YOUR opinion of Torres on that fateful “Good Day” Alderson had?
I said the Pen arms we got were incosistent has beens who have not been able to keep a closer job…
You said they would help us win games! What’s thier ERA and how many games have they won for us compared to how many they have blown for us?
You said this team was 2 or 3 years away from competing, Has 3 years past since you said that?
You think your a know it all and I suspect it comes from the fact that Joe decided to make you an Author.
But most of your pieces have been exposed as foolish talking and pontification!
Probably becuase you limit your sources (and in one case limit them to NONE if you don’t read BA or just ONE if you do!) for information and take that as you know EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW about Baseball how it runs, how it wins and how it’s played…
Of course you don’t but considering your views on Age vs Experience it’s not really all that surprising!
You think just because you subscribe to the newest way you got all you need!
Well how has it served you to date pray tell?
Looks to me like your knowledge is as limited as your sources are!
Metsie – Your obsession with me is growing to ridiculous heights.
I do not subscribe to Baseball America. Therefore your original claim of me being “the main guy” when it comes to BA is false. I like any fan want to know what people who cover the minor leagues think of Zach Wheeler when he’s acquired. Where did you go to learn about Zach Wheeler when the Mets got him? I don’t know how many miles you live from SF minor league teams…
“Do I know more than some Baseball Scouts? Maybe I do! Just because I had other careeer choices doesn’t mean I could not have been a damn good scout!”
— Actually it does. I have to say I LOVE this idea that some guy sitting on his couch thinks he knows more than people who do this for a living. Do you think Baseball Scouts preach that they can do your job better than you?
The shear thought that you come here and say that you may know more about the game than professional scouts is enough to prove that you are bats*it crazy.
“What was YOUR opinion of Torres on that fateful “Good Day” Alderson had?”
— I’ve already pasted it twice for you, but everytime I do, you ignore it and say I said something else. So here is what I said.
“Second, I don’t expect Torres to be some magical hitter, or even better with the stick than Pagan. What I do expect is that he will be a much better fielder. I’ve been saying that for the Mets, and mostly any NL team I’d prefer the roster be built with strong bats at the corners, and defensive minded at 2B/SS/CF and somewhere in the middle behind the dish.”
“I said the Pen arms we got were incosistent has beens who have not been able to keep a closer job…You said they would help us win games! What’s thier ERA and how many games have they won for us compared to how many they have blown for us?”
They have helped us win games. Francisco has 12 saves, Ramirez has 1, Rauch has 1 and they have 6 wins. Just because I may not like how they’ve fair all year, doesn’t mean they have not been valuable to have on the roster.
“You think your a know it all and I suspect it comes from the fact that Joe decided to make you an Author.”
— Really? I’m not the one who comes here and says “Do I know more than some Baseball Scouts? Maybe I do!” But I’m the know it all?
“But most of your pieces have been exposed as foolish talking and pontification!”
— Actually most of my pieces are pretty well received by most except for you and 3-4 others. The vocal minority is often ignored. Just because you’re more loud doesn’t mean your opinion is right.
Probably becuase you limit your sources (and in one case limit them to NONE if you don’t read BA or just ONE if you do!) for information and take that as you know EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW about Baseball how it runs, how it wins and how it’s played…
Of course you don’t but considering your views on Age vs Experience it’s not really all that surprising!
You think just because you subscribe to the newest way you got all you need!
Well how has it served you to date pray tell?
Looks to me like your knowledge is as limited as your sources are!
“Do I know more than some Baseball Scouts? Maybe I do!”
By the way Metsie, this quote will go down as 1 of several reasons why I won’t be replying to this thread anymore. Metsie on the Couch being a better scout than people you don’t even know anything about says it all. You don’t know the first thing about professional baseball scouting. But you claim to be better than some of them at it.
I don’t know what goes into driving a race car but I can drive pretty good on the highway so I imagine I’d be better at it than some Nascar drivers. Since you can’t “PROVE” me wrong, I’m just gonna say that, even if it makes me sound nuts.
Dude your the MAIN GUY because whenever someone suggests they aren’t the be all and end all of prospect evaluation or are a reliable source of what is good or not in the Minors…
YOU are always the first to complain and start an argument with whoever said it!
So you can play your little “Who Me?” game till your blue in the face but your actions speak volumes and your words mean little when compared to them!
Go back and look at every knock on BA and your the guy who comes running to it’s defense!
And as for your other obsessive crap remarks…I didn’t mention you in this thread at all!
You put yourself in my crosshairs by arguing with me yet again, suggesting I don’t know a thing despite how many times I have been correct about previous evaluations and took it upon yourself to be the Defender of a source you now try and claim you don’t read but believe whatever it was you didn’t read from it!
“By the way Metsie, this quote will go down as 1 of several reasons why I won’t be replying to this thread anymore. ”
Will that work if I say it once a thread because I really like the results of that!
Would be saving readers a ton of useless posts where you try and make out like your the only one here who knows a damn thing and anyone who doesn’t buy it is crazy!