Otherwise (if they didn’t want to start Cedeno0, they should have called up Quantilla, and made room on the 40 man for him (biting that bullet). That though would not make sense if they were planning to use Cedeno instead.

http://blog.sfgate.com/giants/2012/05/07/giants-reliever-guillermo-mota-suspended-100-games-after-testing-positive-for-peds/

1 – (Mindset and this could be a long explanation here)) there is a mindset that FA should be avoided at all costs unless it is a bandaid 1 or 2 yr contract for bottom of the barrel talent. Also a Mindset that anyone approaching 27 years of age is too old to commit to. Also a Mindset that you shold only fill with Kids and rookies you draft even if it means there is no competing in the year until those kids get up here! And finally a mindset that what happens 4 years from now is more important than what happens now, That losing 4 years now in the hopes of winning something in 5 years is somehow better than winning now and losing the next 4 years!

2 – (Lessons) – Lesson A) Chief among the lessons is the one that showed: NOT negotiating with a player does not reduce the amount you will need to pay to keep him. We saved and gained nothing by not giving reyes an offer during exclusive rights and he got what he was going to get regardless of our stance! And once that market bar was set there was no way to get him to accept a lesser offer. This lesson if not learned and the mistake repeated could lead to Wright signing elsewhere all because some are too afraid to set the market and would prefer to have the market dictate terms to them! The Market dictated what Reyes would sign for when the lesson that should be learned is never let the Market get a chance to set the bar on players you want to keep!
Lesson B) is the concept that it is better to waste money for a year on players who aren’t any good and suck but wasting money on a GOOD player who might be injured and lost for a year is worse if it happens 1 year out of 5 in a 5 year contract where the other 4 years are exactly what you paid for! This would apply to the notion that castillo and Delgado was a failed signing and also the alluded to knocks on beltran as evidence that a long term contract is a mistake! Santana would be used right now if he were having trouble but his performance has made those who don’t like long term contracts of any kind shy away from making such statements at this point. If he should go back on the DL just watch the posts from this group!
Lesson C) The notion that filling in part time players is more important than filling full time players! We fixed a pen at the expense of fixing a starting rotation. We all knew Santana had a good chance of going on the DL and despite his not we are still left with no option to replace pelfrey!

There are more but those most apply tio this thread.

3 – Well it is Wrights current performance that is keping his detractors quiet but wait till (if) he goes into an extended slump. it wasn’t his injuries that really started the complaints it was his performance compared to reyes who at the time was being taken to task for nbot being worth signing and the counter to that was well then how is Wright after his disappointing seasons.

4 – The Similarities with Wright and reyes are all about how do you approach his contract when it is up! Many felt it was a mistake to not trade reyes to get what you could or to not extend him before the season even started. That latter scenario is still possible with Wright bt yet we still hear people wondering what we could get for Wright at the deadline! And if the same STANCE is taken with Wright as was taken with Reyes if and when he makes it to FA will we again save money on what it will take to keep Wright the way we did when it was Reyes we refused to “Bid Against Ourselves”? As for how they will handle it Reyes did the only thing he could do! Sandy wouldn’t make an offer so he went arond the league to get one and having get one Sandy refused to meet the market he wanted to set the price on Reyes that he refused to set!If the same thing happens again with Wright what choice will Wright have? Give p 10 mil to be loyal to a GM who showed no interest before then in showing what he thoght he was worth?

5 – The philisophical difference is the KEY to all of the above. The situations are just the symptoms of that philisophical battle that is being waged! One side of the battle wants to build using only kids and the draft. FA is merely to buy bandaids to fill in for a year all the positions you haven’t drafted for yet. This side also doesn’t care about losing although they claim they want to win the question is WHEN! They claim winning now means losing 4 years from now but losing now means winning 4 years from now! The wins are eqal on both sides the only difference is if you win NOW you might keep on winning and if you lose now you might never get that win in the future! It is mostly a philosphical difference in SPENDING! Some refuse to spend other say spend when it is appropriate and I’m sure there are a few who think the yankees have it right!

5 – This war is about how to build a tream, some want a moneyball non-spending approach, others want to forgoe spending to build slowly from the draft, and the other side wants to see the team improved every year and make every year count as opposed to waiting 4 years for the maybe’s we have collected to win something.And if it means spending money so be it the Wilpons should spend the money! Spending sure wold help their Attendance issues!

Hope that covers everything you asked…I have to go off to brief a client.

1) You reference a “Mindset” that led to a past problem with Reyes and will happen again. Specifically, what is that mindset?
2) You reference a failure to learn from a lesson that failure will recur in the future. What do you mean?
3) You say there is a small minority that will be happy to see Wright go. Over the past year, while Wright was dealing with multiple injury issues, I noticed that the number of negative comments about Wright swelled. Now that David has recovered and is doing well, the numbers are shrinking. Do you think the numbers of negative comments is small and that most fans on MMO don’t want David to go?
4) You seem to feel that the similarities in the Reyes and Wright scenarios are likely to mean the same sequence of events will occur. What are the similarities you see? Do you think David and Jose handled the issue the same? (P.S.: I don’t)
5) You reference a philosophical war with “we” and “they” sides. What is this war about, who are these sides, and what can be done about it?

I didn’t want the Mets committing more than 5 years to Reyes.

I felt his value was $75-$80 million over 5 years. Not an additional guaranteed 6th year which would push him to be over $100million.

I thought maybe the market for Jose would drop and frankly if Miami wasn’t desperate, I would have felt pretty good about my 5/18 prediction.

All in all, none of this says I didn’t want him back. So get over your obsession with me and go back to cheering Tejada’s injury for your own benefit.

BINGO!!!! basically a Do****b** move… That’s exactly what he did, and the reason he did it is because he did not want bayonne’s article to gain attention and comments since is BMF the one who holds the record for most comment in an article in this site…

So you took advantage of you aythor status to get a leg up on your POV and split the debate from the one that already existed!

You know kind of like setting up a counter protest to offset one that is already protesting?

Oldest trick in the book!

He didn’t get X, therefore I’m not mad. Stop telling me what I think. I didn’t want Reyes for 6/100+. End of story. I thought the Mets would cave and do 5/18per. It’s not what I saw his value at.

Based on players who play his position I saw him as 5/75-80mil. That’s it.

When I tell you what I believe, do not reply back to me and tell me I’m wrong about what I think.

I wanted him back if it was good for both parties. His contract was not right for both parties, he’s gone. End of story.

Tulo will be making a lot of money for years to come, so yes, his contract is worse than a lot others, yet he’s your boy, you needed to defend him…
The Marlins overpaid for him, and in my view they will get not their $’s worth on his contract.
RIght…. Can we all get the lottery ticket numbers for today? FSB
So I’m not sorry that I am happy the Mets showed some restraint and decided to have faith in Tejada at SS”
You mean sandy alderson?? You know, i don’t even know why metsie or anyone wanna argue or debate with you, it’s like, if someone else wanted reyes they’re wrong and you’re right and that’s the way it should be… Good for you for thinking that way, what’s amazing to me is how you keep taking shots at reyes for taking the money and the marlins for givign it to him yet don’t say sh** about the rockies for unloading the bank on tulo or for him taking it… by the way, he’ll be making $16 million in 2014 and $20 million from 2015-2019, is he worth it??? He’s never hit more than 32 HR in a season, drove 100 RBI once highest BA is 315 so, when can we expect your article about him not worth the $ so you can stop hating on reyes?? Can you please move on already? we get it, you don’t like reyes, fine, move on, he’s a marlin now.. Jeez

I linked directly to BMF’s post (which I didn’t have to do).

If I wanted to hide his post, I sure am dumb for linking directly to it. I also didn’t mention BMF nor did I bring up any views I have with regards to often disagreeing with BMF. I also provided a different point of view using research and statistics to what Bobby Ojeda said. Not to what BMF said.

Also instead of automatically posting it (which I could have), I scheduled it for 10AM the next morning – which did 2 things

A) Gave BMF’s post the space
B) Gave Joe D a chance to cancel the scheduling if he felt it was a retaliation post.

Joe saw it scheduled and asked me about it to make sure my intentions were about the Ojeda comments etc.

After Joe read it, I wrote to him

“was it fair?” to which he replied “Oh yes definitely. Not a problem at all.”

So, I think we can put to bed any conspiracy theories. Joe was looking out for Bayonne’s post, saw mine and asked me about it and then after he read it, he saw it to be a fair post.

End of story. Take your need to trash everything I do to the next blog please.

Sure you predicted he would get 5 year 18 Mil per contract from us. That doesn’t mean you wanted us to do that just that you expected us to do that!

Guess what…he got a 6 year 17 Mil per contract!
Yet you are on record as saying you didn’t want to sign him for that!
Thats cheaper than you expected we would sign him for and now are trying to say you would be happy with that?

Are you trying to say you don’t believe anything you have said in the past year and a half?

Jessup could have easily made his points in the comments and made his case…
He chose to make a new story and move the conversation from what Bay said to what he was saying…
Is that because it was so easy to prove Bay wrong or because it was just easier to hide the fact what Bay said was true and most analysts agree with it and therefore the only way to combat that was to try and hide it and create a DIVERSION from the facts jessup doesn’t want people to hear about?