Comments on: In The Most Unholy Of Fashions, The Friars Demoralize Mets 11-5 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html Mon, 20 May 2013 18:27:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Brian http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251695 Brian Fri, 25 May 2012 18:32:43 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251695 although now that i think about it, their mascot is a Friar.

]]> By: Brian http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251692 Brian Fri, 25 May 2012 18:30:37 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251692 Nickname makes sense, although it must have fallen out of use since 1969 because ive been watching for my whole life (18 now) and I dont think ive heard it before. Always good to learn something new though.

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251685 Metsie Fri, 25 May 2012 17:37:36 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251685 He was fine the first two innings, Nerves probably caused the shaky opening in the first but he settled down and got out of it, He was fine in the second.

Then the Rain hit.

I understand why Terry let him go back out.
Who else do you send in if not Hefner?

We don’t really have a reliable long relief guy in fact Hefner WAS the closest guy we had to fit that role on the Roster.

Would anyone have preferred Acosta or Ramirez instead? Would it make sense to go all out on our Bullpen to win one game and risk overworking the pen for the duration of the homestand?

There were probably also sentimental reasons for throwing hefner back out there, His first MLB start, family in the stands…
You can Quibble with the move it sure didn’t put Hefner in the best position to succeed.

But I understand and can’t really complain too much that they put him there because all the alternatives were far worse!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251683 Metsie Fri, 25 May 2012 17:32:50 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251683 Or it could be closer to reality and that is that games that should not have been close were made close by the pen giving up runs and leads that cause more 1 run games than there should have been!

]]> By: Metsie http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251682 Metsie Fri, 25 May 2012 17:30:49 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251682 The way our team has been hitting that game was practically over before Acosta ever got the ball.
Ramirez was pinch hit for and there was no other pitcher to throw in there to get you to the 8th inning.

Would you have poreferred that Terry blew out the bullpen to try and get back one game and ruin the rest of the homestand in games that were probably much more winnable?

]]> By: Mr North Jersey http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251664 Mr North Jersey Fri, 25 May 2012 16:31:41 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251664 Well I like Hefner but like a gremlin I don’t like what he becomes after he gets wet. The guy that came out after the 68 minute rain delay was a doubles machine. Though in fairness you have to wonder why he came out after that long a delay to begin with even if you know the answer was it’s too earl\y to go to the pen.

Positives for me was Mr. Wright continued good play *ducks from Alex* and Ike getting a hit at home. Those are truly rare this season so you got to enjoy them when you get them.

]]> By: trs86 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251642 trs86 Fri, 25 May 2012 14:45:01 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251642 Or maybe he is a guy who wants to give someone a chance to prove themselves like how he stuck with FFF and is with Ike? Perhaps guilty of “trusting his players” too much?

]]> By: stick http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251640 stick Fri, 25 May 2012 14:41:38 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251640 I suggested that yesterday, and really think it is true. Force him back down the FO throat to try and get rid of him!

]]> By: stick http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251639 stick Fri, 25 May 2012 14:40:29 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251639 pretty sure that the Pythag is not a Saber creation (though not being a saber person, I can’t swear to it). But I do not that it really needs a lot of games (full season) to start being at all relevant. Actually, most saber calculations do too. In the infamous small sample, all kind of weird things can happen, but given enough chances, they tend to even out over time.

for the run differential, right now it means that they have eben winning a lot of close games, and have lost a few large blowouts. so using it to predict (project) the rest of the year is a crap shoot at best.

]]> By: Russell Zanca http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251637 Russell Zanca Fri, 25 May 2012 14:31:40 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251637 Hey, YOUSE GUYS!

Haven’t your Mets had enough bad luck for to last for a life time?! I am more than ready for some Mets good luck, so take that Pythagoras!

]]> By: trs86 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251636 trs86 Fri, 25 May 2012 14:30:04 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251636 Hey I saw the Marlins are looking for a CF replacement to get them by until Emilo returns. I wonder if we could work out something like Torres for Mike Dunn? Dunn has not been very good this year but is LH and would be a better replacement for Carson.

I know it’s interdivision but those types of trades can happen for nobodies.

]]> By: trs86 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251634 trs86 Fri, 25 May 2012 14:18:35 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251634 Well that is what saber stuff spends a lot of time doing, trying to get rid of luck or quantify it. That is why I am not a big fan of stuff like BABIP…

What I am saying though is that it could be luck that they are winning some close games or it could be that the team is “gritty” in close games but when they get down things snowball. Is that lucky or just the signs of a young team?

]]> By: Alex68 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251633 Alex68 Fri, 25 May 2012 14:15:42 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251633 Thanks for all the responses on the pythagorean stuff.. Sounds like it’s more luck than anything else… Or just another FLAW saber system…

]]> By: trs86 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251631 trs86 Fri, 25 May 2012 13:54:24 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251631 So now you are telling the author to not look for bright spots in a loss? Most authors still add a couple of bright spots to a post game report. Doesn’t sugar coat the loss.

]]> By: trs86 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251630 trs86 Fri, 25 May 2012 13:37:00 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251630 I am actually starting to think Terry is Jerry Manueling him. Telling him sink or swim. Either get him the heck off my team or start pitching well.

]]> By: trs86 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251629 trs86 Fri, 25 May 2012 13:34:38 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251629 To back up my point, they are 4-10 in blow outs and 9-5 in one run games. So a team that is 3 games over .500 would expect both of those to even out.

]]> By: srt http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251627 srt Fri, 25 May 2012 13:32:55 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251627 ‘Acosta should never pitch.’ LOL. Probably more accurate.
I think he’s been misused somewhat this year though. Don’t understand the multiple inning appearences and he should not pitch in high leverage situations. He’s a middle innings type pitcher only. That’s his ceiling’ IMO. Need those type guys too but shouldn’t be trying to make him something he’s not.

]]> By: trs86 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251626 trs86 Fri, 25 May 2012 13:32:39 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251626 I think they just show all the signs of a young team. Ups and downs, highs and lows.

]]> By: trs86 http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251625 trs86 Fri, 25 May 2012 13:30:41 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251625 I am not going to talk about saber stuff or the Pythagorean theorem. I even taught math for a year and don’t understand that stuff.

However, it appears a couple of things to me. One this team has shown to be very good in close games and hit very well with 2 outs. Two, they seem to be a team that goes with the momentum. As I said earlier when the game snowballs it snowballs. I don’t think they have the talent to blow teams out but are so young that they can be blown out. Seriously how much of that run difference is because of 5 blowouts? That would certainly even things up.

]]> By: jessep http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/05/in-the-most-unholy-of-fashions-the-friars-demoralize-mets-11-5.html#comment-251624 jessep Fri, 25 May 2012 13:29:55 +0000 http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=82692#comment-251624 It’s just a formula used to tell you what they “should” have won. It’s not really too important. What it can do is tell you if a team may play to a certain level at some point.

It’s based on runs scored and runs allowed. The problem I have with it, is its so general. For example, it “assumes” that Ike Davis is a .150 hitter for the entire season, or it “assumes” the bullpen will be in a major slump all year.

So if the Mets are -8 (which I have no idea if that is true) then you could assume their “good luck” will run out. But, to be fair, it doesn’t assume that the things that were BAD will eventually turn around.

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