If David Wright Is No. 1, Then Who’s No. 2?

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• Angelo May 26, 2012 at 10:33 am

  Amen !!! KEEP WRIGHT 4EVER
• Joe D May 26, 2012 at 10:36 am

  Did you happen to hear what, if anything, Ike Davis responded to Turner? It looks like he’s saying, “Dude, check out that blonde in the third row wearing the pink top. That is one Wrighteous babe”.

  Seriously, if God forbid they were to trade Wright, Daniel Murphy would become our active leader in about a dozen of those categories… yeachh…. We’d be back to the Mets bronze age days of the late seventies when Hendu and Maz were leading the charge with Kranepool waiting on the bench for his chance to grab a bat in the late innings… And the crowd roared Eddie – Eddie – Eddie….

  I can hear Bob Murphy now… “Well, it’s a shallow flyball off the bat of Kranepool this should end the game… THEY DROPPED THE BALL! Here comes Flynn to tie the game! Could you believe it, the Mets are still alive.”
  • Ed Leyro May 26, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Sigh…Bob Murphy. That Kranepool/Flynn play reminded me of Dave Parker dropping Keith Hernandez’s fly ball at Riverfront Stadium in 1986.

    If Jason Bay ever becomes the active team leader in anything, then we’re either in trouble or Bay had the greatest comeback in baseball history.

    And hey, I think Davis and Turner must be talking about my wife in the scenario you presented.
    • Metsie May 26, 2012 at 11:08 am

      If Jason Bay becomes the team leader in anything we might as well give him his old Pirates Uni because for all intents and purposes we will be the Pirates!
  • Metsie May 26, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Well I think we (and Sandy) may be past the point on trading Wright.

    Attendance is down about 3K per game so far and I think he knows now that losing Wright would only serve to screw him more financially than paying him would.

    Now that could change if we went on a 10 game losing streak and were way out of it by July but I don’t see that happening.

    This articles illustrates how much we let get away this offseason. Worth it or Not isn’t the point, the fact that hardly anyone has the resume and track record to lead and keep that leadership position is!

    If we were to trade for say a Veteran CF in the future with some leadership creds they would immediatly be the guy everyone looked to if Wright was not here. But if Wright remains it is not likely anyone would usurp him.

    Santana is still the leader of the Pitching Staff and will remain so until his contract runs out. I don’t see them resigning him but it’s a slim possibility.

    So it’s kind of an imperative they find some way to keep wright even if it means biting the financial bullet.

    I thought the best thing about the Rain delay that killed Hefner’s start was the uninterupted (and not distracted) interview with Sandy. We got a full segment without field play by play getting in the way or changing the subject. I’m sure everyone is aware that the majority of the questions asked were set up ahead of time especially the ones about Ike and there was little to say about Wright other than he was doing good.

    I think Sandy is finally convinced he has his core for the most part, (which is why Ike did not get demoted), and he has the kids he needs in the Minors to bolster his Rotation and as a result his Pen with those arms who do not make it into the rotation.

    The only two questions that remain to be answered this year is Tejada and Thole, will they come back and hit the way they were hitting. Tejada probably will Thole is 50/50.

    So I don’t see the need to trade Wright for kids because we have too many as it is right now and what we need more is some other Vet leadership for the rotation for whenever Santana leaves and/or everyday player to back up Wright.

    We have a bunch of young arms no one expects to ever get into our rotation and a glut of infielders who have no room to play everyday at the MLB level.

    So while I was convinced Wright was a goner just two or three months ago I think Sandy may have turned the corner and changed his mind due to the good play of the team and realizing that despite that good play Attendance is still down 3K per year which will add up to another 20-30Mil in losses….Trading Wright would only make that situation worse!
    • Joey D. May 26, 2012 at 1:22 pm

      Metsie,

      Could it also be that the Wilpons are finally recognizing the fact that no matter what their financial woes are, they are only making their financial losses worse with the downsizing because they are finally getting a proper read that the fan base is no longer buying into the company lines. It started out that 2011 was to only to be single season “transition year” as we would relieve ourselves of the large portion of our payroll committed to just a few high priced players. That was followed with the promise that we would still nonetheless remain competitive at the same time due to our new “philosophy” of prudent fiscal responsibility by going after undervalued talent other teams overlooked ( saber metrics combined with money ball?).

      Yet, the new players ushered in weren’t contributing to our 2011 success while the kids with the expensive veteran players were so our closer and top hitter were sent off packing and that single season “transition” period in which we could still remain competitive suddenly made way for a multi-year “re-building” period instead.

      Then over the winter instead of using the money saved by not re-signing Reyes and not having to pay that $17 million bonus to KRod was not re-invested into the major league roster as we were told some of it would, we were then told the money could not be spent because the team not only lost $70 million in 2011, but had been “losing money since 2009″.

      So the Mets must at least make an honest attempt to retain David Wright for, if for nothing else, it will make things even financially worse for them than they already and even the greatest Madison Avenue public relations firm would have difficulty selling this one to the public.

      If not, the move will also lend credence to the assertion that Sterling Equities is indeed in much worse financial shape that went way beyond that impending civil suit that is no longer pending and that what is being done as far as the Mets is concerned has little to do with a the direction of building a team as it is the problem Billy Beane has been facing in Oakland for many years now of simply keeping the team financially afloat (it’s television rights cannot sustain it like here in New York).
      • Metsie May 26, 2012 at 2:36 pm

        Joey I think too many give the Wilpons way too much credit for anything that happens…

        Good OR Bad…

        I don’t think they actually pay all that much attention to what happens on a daily basis I really don’t.
        They let the guys they hire run the team and only in cases where they need permission to spend a significant amount of money do they even get consulted and there is far more evidence and precedent that says the Wilpons usually say Hey if you think thats the move go for it!

        Most of the examples given to say the Wilpons turned someone down were in cases where the issue was not even brought up to them!

        Like the attempt to say Ramirez was nixed despite the fact Omar never asked for permission to go after him.

        I really think people make too much out of the input from the Wilpons.

        I think Sandy may have realized that he has gotten rid of just about all the fan favorites he is going to get away with!
        And Wright would be counter productive because you lose him and whatever you think you saved on him is lost on reduced revenue.

        Perhaps the decline in revenue fromk last year showed him just how star driven attendance is in NY with all the competing things there are to do instead!

        Bottomline Baseball is an entertainment business. And in the entertainment business star power rules!

        You can do shakespere with no names and it will never draw as much as it would with a big name actor playing the lead.

        Doesn’t matter how good the product is in that example.
        Baseball is different only in the fact that if your getting the good performance you are also CREATING big stars while doing so.
        But having a big star will always draw more!

        Wright is the biggest star on this team and looking at the rest of the roster there is none bar Santana who only plays one game in 5!

        So they Lose Wright they lose a major part of the draw.
        • Joey D. May 26, 2012 at 5:27 pm

          Hi Metsie,

          OK, just to clarify the chain of events – technically from a non-technical perspective – LOL.

          - The Wilpons had the money when they took over as majority owners in 2005 and gave the front office extreme leverage with spending that money with basically an edict of don’t give us the details, just give us a championship.
          - The Wilpons accumulate mounting debt based on long-term projections for the revenue stream from their many holdings (not just the Mets).
          - That revenue stream included the assumption that the same amount required to at least break even would come from an average 38,000 patrons annually in a smaller stadium willing to pay more per individual than larger crowds paying individually less.
          - The real estate market begins to crumble.
          - The Madoff scandal is uncovered in December, 2008
          - Fans aren’t willing to pay such money and both attendance and ticket prices start to go down.
          - The Wilpons find themselves with large debt, large overhead and less revenue coming in from all sources.
          - The Wilpons’ relatively large open check book slowly begins to shrink as the front office signs only one high priced player in Bay and suddenly begins going after the likes of Gary Matthews, Junior, Mike Jacobs, the virtually free Gary Sheffield, Rod Barrahas, etc.
          - The financial situation becomes even worse after 2010 and the team is forced to take out a $25 million loan from MLB just to meet it’s monthly operating costs.
          - The parent company, Sterling Equities, is now in such a bad financial shape that one who is not interested in becoming the team’s general manager to begin with is urged to do so by the Commissioner and (though not confirmed) the Wilpons are pressured to hire him.
          - The Wilpons no longer have anything near the money they had when they took over as majority owners in 2005 and gave the front office no leverage with spending and basically an edict of don’t give us the details, just cut down expenses as much as possible and help us hold onto the ball club.

          Sandy’s job was to get their financial house in order no matter what the consequences whereas Omar’s job was to bring them a championship no matter what the consequences. While both want to bring home a winner, one was first concerned with the team on the field than the ledger book while the other is first concerned with the bottom line figures in the ledger book and allowing the business to stay afloat for the current ownership.

          A simple time line of events from obviously not a businessperson’s but rather an “observer”.
          • Metsie May 27, 2012 at 10:48 am

            Well Joey I think you may have a few wrong assumptions in there….

            First off the Wilpons didn’t:
            1 – Give Omar an open Checkbook he never spent what the Yankees spent. When Omar wanted to go after FAs they let him but they still set budgets and they were not the Sky is the limit budgets. He never signed more than two major contracts in any given year and the two biggest were in 2005 (Martinez and Beltran) when Omar first got there and the reason for the spending was to Increase the attendance…Which it did!

            2 – You can’t just slap all the various businesses (and their debt) together just because they all have Sterling’s name on it. The team, the stadium and the Network are all separate entities! Run by different people, with separate accounts, including different partners with different goals and circumstances. The Team itself didn’t go into debt until 2010 when it lost 50 Million and had to take a loan from the MLB to pay expenses. People look at the BoA loan as a debt but that was a bridge loan to cover the 70 Mil of losses in 2011 until the sales went through. The Mets (the Team) are currently Debt free with the exception of what they owe Players (which technically isn’t debt just expenses).
            The Stadium has a lot of Debt associated with it but even if that did not exist that money would not be used to pay for the team. Being a Majority owner of any business does not mean you have to use your own personal worth to pay the bills. You have other partners as well and if the Wilpons put money into the team it would be either as a loan to the team (with interest) or they would need to get more stock in the Team for thier money. Since they owned the team for the most part there was no way to put money in and increase their stock. Now that they have sold pieces that option opens up.
            In the end the Wilpons situation did not cause the financial issues the team had, Attendance did. The only affect you could say affected that was that the Wilpons were not in a position to float the team.

            But it’s hardly thier actions or bad financial planning that is at fault here.
            The Economy tanked, the Key players were hurt two years in a row, and all that talk about rebuilding has led to people waiting to go until they see a damn good reason to do so.

            And maybe if they play well from here on out, Maybe if they make a move that makes people say HMMM…That will change and then the finances are no longer the issue.

            Oh one last point on the stadium, Yes it HAD fewer seats than Shea but it also has much better concessions to make money off of as well. They tried to raise the ticket prices to compensate even more but the team wasn’t good enough to get away with that!

            Now with the fences brought in, extra seating added and the team playing well this summer could be the turning point that finally puts all this MONEYTALK to rest!
            • Joey D. May 27, 2012 at 1:27 pm

              Hi Metsie,

              Can tell you have a contractual mind by the way you are so “meticulous” to insure there is no chance of ambiguity with even the slightest of words!

              “The only affect you could say affected that was that the Wilpons were not in a position to float the team.”

              That was more or less the point I wanted to make so my layman’s wording might have not been able to “float” with ya!.

              It was not meant to slap all the business holdings together as it was indeed meant to say that had things been going better for the Wilpons in the other areas, they could have been able “float” the losses experienced by the Mets.

              Same with the “open checkbook” – not to imply that it was unlimited but rather that there was a real hefty balance for him to work with. And, of course, that was not meant to imply that Omar was just a free spending general manager – no matter what the results of some of his signings might have been.

              As far as attendance, you are right of course that breaking even was assumed a combination of ticket and concession sales.

              Would like your thoughts as to “dynamic pricing” actually hurting the Mets ticket sales wise than helping them due to fans hesitant to pay for something they might get cheaper. I know that has made me hesitant, considering the expensive add-on fees.
              • Metsie May 27, 2012 at 2:25 pm

                Well Joey we have a few buttholes that post here who look for semantical arguments based on not being specific enough to bash posters here which is why I do tend to try to leave no ambiguity open so they can ply thier childish trade!

                As for the float, What I was getting at is even if they had the money it would have been difficult from a business standpoint to give it to the team to float the bills. Wilpon Money isn’t Met money! So the transaction has to be recorded in some way.

                Either as the Wilpons giving the Mets a loan….
                or in a stock buy which I don’t think was possible at the time since they already owned the stock! You can’t repurchase what you already own.

                Thier money situation was not a cause of the Met problems just left one less option to solve it.
                They took the stock SELL instead which generated the money they needed just as if they had bought stock that was available and put thier own money up.

                So they solved the issue of paying the Bill that existed, made some cuts to be sure the bills would not be as much as they were in years previous and the only thing that can hurt them now is if attendance drops to the point that all the cut made were offset by further loss of revenue.

                Which Means Sandy had better find a way to get fannies in the seats or they will need another loan or have to sell more stock to pay the bills.

                Only two ways to do that I see…
                Win enough games that you convince the fans you really have a shot at winning something or…
                Get a player who convinces them that could happen.

                Since FA’s are few and far between at this point in the season and anyone worth signing is signed that leaves only one option a trade for someone good who gives everyone hope that the losing days are done and the competitive seasons are here!
                • Joey D. May 27, 2012 at 3:19 pm

                  Hi Metsie,

                  Wonder if your thoughts are the same as mine on this.

                  Based on the points you correctly bring out and the assumption there still won’t be money to “float” around at least for the immediate future, do you think the Wilpons painted themselves into a corner in regards to Citi Field?

                  I have read various quotes that in 2009 ownership projected being able to break even financially with an average attendance of 38,000 based on the ticket prices established at the time (and the consumption of concessions as you mentioned). Well, they have been unable to come close to that mark now going on three seasons and the ticket prices have been reduced so the revenue from both ticket sales and concessions has dropped tremendously. In addition, they counted on revenue from those high priced luxury suites and boxes that have both not been sold and also go for much less (also notice they are now heavily advertising the champions section for individual game seats which I believe they were counting to be gobbled up mostly by season ticket holders).

                  So how will they be able to both invest in certain free agents and retain some of their younger players when becoming eligible for arbitration or free agency with this tremendous drop in projected resources? Even if they meet their 38,000 average attendance mark, it will be achieved with less revenue coming in from the ticket prices (which I don’t think will be reached due to dynamic pricing). And the increase in additional fees to make up for some of this decrease will still turn away those who were complaining about the ticket prices to be too high to begin with (for example, I was looking at those special ticket prices for certain games and found it still not worth it when the add-on fees made what appeared to be a good deal still too costly).

                  So, did building a smaller capacity park backfire on them, especially without their other options to keep it “afloat”? That might be why there were no takers for the minority shares.

                  LGM
                  • Metsie May 27, 2012 at 4:39 pm

                    Well who knows if float money will be available this year…All I speculated on is if Attendance doesn’t get better they might need some.

                    As for their decision with CitiField, Lets face facts we all have a lot of great memories about Shea but it was hardly what you would call a beloved stadium and considering the Yankees were also building a new stadium it’s hard to say they had much of a choice in the matter.

                    There were a ton of issues with the design and financing of CitiField, for one the City kicked in much less money than the original plan had requested and that led to major revisions to the design of CitiField as well. I remember the original proposal had a retractable field to transition the field for concerts and possibly the return of the Jets. That got squashed as soon as the Budget needed to be cut. I think there was even talk about a retractable roof!

                    I would bet that the seating was also scaled back a bit due to the budget but also because they did want that intimate ebbets field feel.

                    It’s hard to say that the reduced number of seats is the problem since they have not yet sold out those reduced number of seats.
                    Whatever they projected for the average attendance needed was probably based on playing competitive baseball that hasn’t happened since it opened and higher ticket prices which have not been able to be maintained in order to get people to go.

                    It’s a new stadium in a bad economy and they have yet to get to the point in that stadium where there is a wait list for season tickets. Once they do (and it will probably take a WS to do that) all thier financial and attendance issues will be over!
                    Even if they aren’t winning WS’ anymore…The wait list will fill in for the STH that leave and there will be plenty of money to spend because they can raise the prices without losing anyone.

                    Just a lot of bad timing for building a new statdium and the Team Injury timing didn’t help at all!
                  • Joey D. May 27, 2012 at 8:40 pm

                    Actually there are many of us who still feel Shea was sacred ground. At the 50th anniversary conference at Hofstra where I spoke at, one of the panelists had put together a video of Shea as it was being dismantled being played to Frank Sinatra’s homage to an old ball park. Wasn’t a dry eye in the place as it ended.

                    But of course, that is sentiment and just like Ruben Tejada should not be compared to Jose Reyes, Citi Field should not be compared to Shea, either.

                    But I’m just wondering about a winner filling the ball park each day. The Yankees have yet to sell those expensive season plans and we see so many empty field level seats between the bases. Last season they played to an average 8,000 empty seats per game and this season attendance is dwindling even more (even in 2010 they had only a few sellouts, averaging about 4,000 empty seats a game. Is it becoming too expensive for many to even go see this championship team anymore?

                    Of course, the Yankees can afford these “smaller” crowds (the Mets should be so lucky LOL). Probably because the Steinbrenners are not having the financial problems that the Wilpons have and with YES can “float” things like with the Red Sox in Boston with NESN.

                    So perhaps it’s a matter of if the Wilpons will get their financial affairs back on the right track so they too can float the Mets for I don’t know if fans will be willing to spend so much, even on a winner, to sustain a club depending upon such high costs. Don’t forget, there are enough Met fans who are excited about this team now that would love to go. I saw something a while back where both Met and Yankee fans said they couldn’t afford to go to as many games as in the past because it was just too expensive. And even holdouts like my wife and I gave into our innate love affair with this club and were looking to take advantage of special ticket pricing to go to a game until we found the total cost with those additional fees made it not worth the money.
                  • Metsie May 27, 2012 at 11:19 pm

                    Joey don’t get me wrong I loved DShea and spent a good deal of my life there…
                    Just pointing out that no one ever went to shea to see shea as it had the asthetics of your average Parking garage.

                    I mean we lost the Jets because of the old tired bathrooms, It was not what you would call a pretty stadium by any measure and the main reason people loved it is because of what happened there not because of the site itself.

                    I knew the stadium like the back of my hand and still get lost sometimes in Citi, But thats what happens when your a season ticket holder for 10 years and learn the public spaces then work close to 200 Games in all the backstage service areas doing baseball broadcasts.

                    It will always be a place I fondly remember but it was not what you would call a particularly great venue in and of itself.

                    Yankees attendance problems stem from thier recent losing and the fact it costs 35+ to park there (even if you just work there!)

                    Food prices are sky high ticket prices are top dollar…
                    Yet you don’t hear about them needing a loan from the MLB to pay the bills!
                    Remember just because you see empty seats doesn’t mean those tickets went unsold!
                    The seats you see on TV are all the reserved Season Ticket seats and if a company snaps them up they will go empty more than filled!
                    But the check to pay them still cleared!
                  • Joey D. May 27, 2012 at 11:59 pm

                    Hi Metsie,

                    Never took it the wrong way about your love for Shea.

                    BTW – Those Yankee attendance figures I spoke about were paid admissions and not no-shows. In turn, we don’t have any idea how many no-shows there actually were, both with the Yankees and the Mets. And I didn’t quote figures for this season – those I used were from last season and 2010 – when the Yankees were the reigning world champions.

                    So the bottom line is that there is only so much a team can charge the fans for tickets, processing fees, parking and concessions before more simply stop coming.

                    BTW – even though the cost of parking at Yankee Stadium is outrageous, there are private parking lots within a half mile from the Stadium that one could get for $25. Though cheaper that is still a lot to ask for and they are not exactly convenient., either.

                    http://nyc.centralparking.com/New-York-Yankee-Parking.html

                    But that wouldn’t bother me at all. I can park where I work and simply take the Metro North which is right by us.
  • Des May 26, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    Joe D — “Seriously, if God forbid they were to trade Wright, Daniel Murphy would become our active leader in about a dozen of those categories… yeachh.

    Disparaging Danie Murphy because most of the rest of the team sucks is an interesting twist of logic! lol.
• Nathan May 26, 2012 at 10:58 am

  This isn’t all that surprising. The Mets haven’t had much of a track record for developing talent and then holding on to them. This can be attributed to the turnover at GM or the large fluctuations in team performance. Alot of teams leaderboards probably look the same. At least the mid to low tier payroll teams. The Mets may play in the largest market but our team has been through many financial fluctuations through their history. Just look at the same numbers but last year when we had Beltran and Reyes and it would not have been as shocking. This does point out the Mets innability to remain consistantly competitive. This is something that I hope our new administration is really trying to change. This hope may be a pipe dream but it is all I have to hold onto through these tumultuous times.
  • Metsie May 26, 2012 at 11:10 am

    You know why we haven’t Nathan?

    Because NY is a what have you done for me lately city!
    Short Memory, Quick Rage!

    The only reason why guys like Jeter have lasted as olong with the Yankees is because they have made all those post seasons and World Series appearances and wins.

    If they had not, Jeter would have been sent packing long ago even if he had put up the same exact numbers he has!

    Playing in NY will simply eat you alive if you do not succeed!
    • Nathan May 26, 2012 at 11:31 am

      I do appreciate the what have you done for me lately mentality; however, The Mets seem to catch the worst of it. Maybe this is do to the fluctuation of fair weather fans giving us a boom and bust cycle or maybe it’s because of poor follow through. The systematic deconstruction of the 86 team is an example of how a core can get away from management if allowed to do so. I know there were extenuating circumstances involved but that still doesn’t give them a pass for poor management. Consistant leadership is what led the Braves to 14 division titles. I am not insinuating that we should model our team after them but I would like to see a long term plan carried out. In an age of advertising being a large percentage of revenue, time slows down. This means that while the team has not performed well for some years the revenue is still able to hold out. This is the time for true building and locking Wright up for the forseeable future is the right message. No longer are we going to let our best walk out the door.
      • Metsie May 26, 2012 at 12:01 pm

        Well I’m going to point out something regarding the Braves (also applies to Philly and the Cards as well)

        If you live in one of those cities, who do you go see play baseball if you don’t like the team they have put together?

        Answer: Some Minor League team oryou see no baseball at all!

        For the most part everyone in Atlanta is an Atlanta fan. Everyone in Philly is a Philly Fan and everyone in St Louis (and for a large area around it) a Card Fan.

        There is no other team to compare them to, No other fan to make you feel bad about your team vs thiers. Less Media and pressure all around to force change and upheaval.
        Less negative stories because there aren’t as many Newspapers or media Outlets looking to get that JUICY story to sell their product with….

        California may be where Hollywood and where the majority of your prime time TV shows are made but NY is still the media Capital for news and sports and as a result there are much more media pressures at work.

        Even Davey Johnson despite all his success was taken to task and second guessed on a daily basis. The Media is as much responsible for running Johnson out as anything else you can name!

        Gil Hodges died before they got the chance!
        Look back at the h9istory of Managers you think were successful here in NYC.
        Johnson, Valentine, Willie, hell you can even include guys like Torre and billy Martin on that list (though Steinbrenner was as much a part of thier demise).

        What is the common denominator between Johnson, Valentine and Randolf why did they all get fired?
        Johnson got fired for not meeting expectations and never had a good relationship with the press, Valentine and Willie both got fired for things totally not related to baseball and on the field performance. Both were about behind the scenes crap that the media dug up.

        Valentine for starting Media controversy on a weekly basis wore out his welcome, Willie got in hot water due to things with Bernazard.

        Working in NY for a public and media covered industry is like working in a magnifying glass!
        not the case in Atlanta and Philly.

        They will leave you alone provided there are lots of stories about Victory to be told but slip up even once and don’t win, the stories all turn sour and push the negative that leads to change!

        Unfortunatly there are so many UNTHINKING people that let the Media influence what they think and buy into everything they read without question or thought that gives these stories of CHANGE the legs they need to affect the real world!
    • Joey D. May 26, 2012 at 5:48 pm

      Hi Metsie, Esq.,

      It’s more than being a success in the field as we can see by both last season’s and this season’s club playing great and exciting baseball as reflected by today’s attendance – the start of three three day Memorial Holiday weekend, the Mets could only draw drew about 3,000 more than the amount of Rusty Staub bobble head dolls they were going to give away.

      Another guess is that “dynamic” pricing is hurting them even more at the box office with fans unwilling to buy tickets in advance knowing there is a good chance they could pay less – and by the time those prices go down, they’ve then made other plans instead.
• srt May 26, 2012 at 11:02 am

  Well considering Wright far exceeds playing time on the Mets than any other player, no surprise here.
  Considering the rest of the list in most categories, Bay/Davis/Murphy have lost considerable playing time and the rest only have a handful of years here.
  • Des May 26, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    srt — Time in grade really skews the results, no doubt. Running with that thought, I wonder if Jose Reyes could have been borrowed for this analysis.

    Jose was a helluva player here for many years, especially 2005-2008 and also 2010-2011. Where would he wind up on the all-time leader board?
    • srt May 26, 2012 at 10:03 pm

      Des – I was going to a comment about Reyes…..mainly about how if he had signed here we’d see the two of them topping the lists according to their strengths. Figured though that might get some going – again – about the Mets not re-signing Reyes. To quote Terry somewhat, I think that rag has been rung dry.
• Stick May 26, 2012 at 8:42 pm

  my biggest surprise was seeing Duda on the triples list.
  • Joey D. May 26, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Hi Stick,

    Not really surprising to see Duda on that triples list – except for Wright, nobody on the current roster has even played for more than one full season.
• Bayonne Mets Fan May 26, 2012 at 9:57 pm

  Shill piece if there ever was but what do you expect from one of the biggest shills for David Wright?

  Sure that’s real fair. Let’s compare the stats of a guy who has been with the Mets since 2004 to other players on the Mets that have been here since 2009 (Murph had a cup of coffee in 2008 – he had it standing on 3B w/Wright at bat) – and the rest since 2010.

  This was just such a stupid piece. This proves nothing and if he were not here it would depended who we got for him and I HIGHLY doubt that if he did leave the Mets they would not be good for years to come. I HIGHLY doubt that very much..

  It’s good that he’s hitting now in April and May, in a nice no pressure atmosphere but in the strange event that the Mets somehow stayed in the hunt – and a lot of that depends on the resurgence of Ike Davis because if he finds himself – then this team is going to turn around and if that happened i would like to see Wright perform in games that mean something again.
  We haven’t seen that since 2008 and we know the results. Maybe he’s turned it around for good? We don’t know and we won’t know until we see him play in meaningful games and only then will we be able to tell.
  • Nester May 26, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Keep waving those flags of discontent Bayonne. You’re the worst kind of Mets fan there is.
  • Des May 26, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Why are you so angry? You reek resentment. It’s so unnecessary. Chill out, lighten up and just enjoy life. There are enough good things in life for everyone to share some happiness.
• alan May 27, 2012 at 10:13 am

  For the life of me, I can’t fathom why this blog was written? If written to praise David Wright’s accomplishments fine but that was not the case. This team is made up of mostly young players who have 2- 3 years of experience in the majors.Why would anyone expect them to approach club records in any batting category?

  If it was written to bash the organization for the rebuilding mode we are in……why?
  • Peter R. May 27, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    For the life of me I dont understand why so many uptight Met fans are freaking out about a purely informational piece? What is the matter with some of you cornholes? It’s a piece of active leaders in Mets categories. OMG it’s the end of the world. For chrissakes we have a lot of motley Mets fans in our base.