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2012
I Wish Alderson Inked Chris Capuano Instead Of Frank Francisco
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Chris Capuano took his first loss of the year last night after getting off to a 5-0 start. After going 6 1/3 innings allowing four runs (three earned) Capuano raised his ERA to a gaudy 2.34 ERA. Who would pay 2 years and $10 million for that? Wouldn’t you much rather have a guy like Frank Francisco with his 8.59 ERA and 2.045 WHIP at $12 million over two years?
But seriously, Capuano has hit the ground running with the Dodgers in 2012, and they got him at a bargain to say the least. With Alderson not having too much luck with multi-year deals in his Mets tenure (DJ Carrasco and Frank Francisco), Capuano may have been a low-risk, cheap option for the Mets to bring back.
He had a solid year with the Mets in 2011, going 11-12 with a respectable 4.55 ERA in his first full year back from Tommy John surgery. Capuano provides not only a solid middle-of-the-rotation arm, but a positive veteran presence that could solidify an otherwise thin Mets rotation. Just think how better off the Amazin’s would be right now with Capuano taking the rotation spot left behind by Mike Pelfrey instead of Miguel Batista. We may have been talking about a first place team right now.
Of course it is much easier to say what Alderson should have done looking back, and he needed to get a closer. In fact, outside of Jonathon Papelbon, almost none of the available closers from last winter are having success in 2012 across the board. But two year and $12 million is a bit excessive for a guy who has such drastic differences between his performance in first and second halfs over the past few seasons.
The Mets would be better off with a rotation of Santana-Dickey-Niese-Capuano-Gee than having Francisco closing out games. Not to mention, a mixture of Bobby Parnell and Jon Rauch could have handled the duties instead of Francisco. But again, at such an inexpensive price, I see Capuano as a missed opportunity for the Mets and Francisco as a poor alternative and a waste of 12 million dollars.
With money being so tight around this club, you would have thought Sandy would be a bit more wise with his limited budget.
About the Author: Clayton Collier
Clayton, a Long Island native and die-hard Mets fan, started writing online about three years ago. He is currently a Journalism major with a minor in Broadcasting at Seton Hall University. Although very disappointed with the current state of the team, Clayton remains hopeful that the young prospects in the farm system will bring the Mets back to a respected franchise in baseball once again. Besides writing for MMO, Clayton is also a staff member at 89.5 WSOU, Seton Hall's modern active rock radio station. You can contact Clayton by following him on Twitter: @Clayton_Collier or E-mailing him at MaybeNextYearMets@yahoo.com
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There is just as much risk on a one year deal as there is on a two or three year deal when you shop at K-Mart.
If they are cheap they are cheap for a reason…Performance!
If you believe that Performance is an anomoly and the player is better than that you have to have the guts to go with that assessment and get him for 2-3 years at the cheap prices.
This way if you were wrong it’s STILL not a lot of money considering what a good player costs per year. And if he succeeds you get those extra years at discount rates.
But on a one year deal (and I’ll use Cap as an example here) If your right and get something good you basically lose it the next year because you allowed him to rebuild his career on your dime!
Bottomline the act of only signing one or two year deals says more about the confidence levels in your assessment and has little to do with Financial bang for the Buck.
Your buying cheap filler that is only as good as the rest of the meat it is filling up.
They were risk adverse with Capuano and if there was a risk then don’t sign the guy at all!
Sign someone that is less of a risk! If that means spending more well you get what you pay for!
I would rather pay double for a guy I am sure is worth the money and worth 3 years of commitment than a guy I am not sure is worth even what I’m giving him or worth having for more than one year.
We had a lot of discussions about the LONG TERM VIEW and making deals one year at a time does very little for the long term view!
Even if you guess right it’s gone and more expensive to keep the next year, and if you fail you gained NOTHING at all!
20/20 Hindsight Vision
My thoughts exactly.
If we only had that crystal ball.
Nice story by Clayton. But I guess data mining is back in vogue.
Um, I mean sure?
Clayton, if he had done that then where would Cap go? 6 man rotation?
If the Mets had signed Cap this year, Gee would be out of a job. Is that what you wanted? To move Gee to the pen? We can say we dislike Pelf but the truth is, he was pitching good enough to warrant his rotation spot. There’s nothing the Mets could have done with him except not offer arby and watch him go elsewhere. His injury was out of nowhere.
So you either sign Cap and lose Pelf or move Gee to the pen and then what? Then you still have a bullpen spot free no?
A lot of teams have six real starters, that’s called depth. I was thinking give Gee some time in Triple-A after his awful second half.
Most teams don’t have 5. Why else do you think Jamie Moyer and Andy Petite are still pitching?
How much would Gee have missed? ALL of 3 games?
Considering the uncertainty revolving around Sanatana coming back and staying healthy wouldn’t it be prudent to have that 6th starter signed and ready to go? Someone you could trade at the deadline should you find you didn’t really need him?
You’re acting like the Mets had a crystal ball with regards to the health of Pelfrey.
The Mets have 6 starters. Miguel Batista. Wait they have 7. Chris Young. Oh wait, maybe 8. Mejia.
I loved Cap. Loved the signing etc. but signing him instead of a late inning reliever doesn’t make sense. Not if you agree Pelfrey was being offered arb no matter what.
And your acting like they had a crystal ball in regards to Santana!
Huh?
So you wanted the Mets to sign Capuano because of Johan Santana?
Let me ask you this okay
Cap signed a 2 year deal worth 10 mil, earning him 6 mil NEXT year.
So you’re telling me the Mets should have signed him to that or more $ because they didn’t know if Johan Santana was gonna be healthy?
If you sign Cap, Gee becomes useless or a bullpen arm. If you’re fine with that then don’t ever tell me Gee is anything more than a #5 starter.
For 2012, Cap is earning his $3mil salary, no doubt. But in 2013 he’d be making $6mil and you’d be coming here saying “why did they sign him to 2 years!”
Sure would have been better than the 6 mil per for Francisco now wouldn’t it?
Besides what he gets now is irrelevant! Could have got him for two years at 3 or 4 Mil per last year when we signed him to a one year deal!
you could have had him for as many years as you wanted to offer. he was a scrap heap, coming off big injuries guy (similar boat to Young).
If Sandy started signing guys like that to multiple year, guaranteed deals, there would be an uproar (bigger than normal) calling for his head!
He wouldn’t get crucified if the signings worked now would he?
Yes he was a scrap heap signing…Well He wasn’t this year…
And the reason he wasn”t this year? because that bandaid we brought renewed his career on our dime!
We got Zilch for that! Sure didn’t do anything for us last year!
you make less sense by the day.
and remember the rule of your core leaders. hindsight is not allowed.
LOL your confused because you seem to think Sandy shouldn’t know anything more than the average MMO poster does!
He is the damn GM he is supposed to know who is good and who is crap isn’t he?
Isn’t that what he gets paid to know?
You guys are just hilarious in the lengths you will go to to make excuses for him!
Metsie,
I’d like to come up with a great response for you. But I’ll just defer to some quotes for you
“Let Sandy do what he thinks needs to be done and if he fails we off his head just as quickly as we offed Omars!”
“It’s a game folks and there are a lot more important things in this world to worry about than the results of that game!”
- April 14, 2011
Oh and with regards to your views on Frank Francisco “It’s not about how you start but how you finish”
Those words were spoken by non other than yourself.
So rather than always getting into a battle with you about your views of Sandy Alderson in just over 1 full season of work, I’ll take a deep breath and remember that we should “Let Sandy do what he thinks needs to be done” and that Omar got 6 years, so Sandy should get 6 years.
Thanks for the insight!
Yep Jesse thats what I said!
And i supported him right up till he squandered two offseasons in a row=FAILURE!
Really from what I was reading at the beginning of this off-season I wouldn’t call what you were doing “supporting him”.
Got it. So Omar got 6 years, Sandy gets 1.2 years.
Yeah that “Let Sandy do what he thinks needs to be done and if he fails we off his head just as quickly as we offed Omars!”
Go hand in hand
By the way, the Mets are 21-17 and as of today they would be in a 1 game playoff with Atlanta.
What a failure!
Well Omar got us to the playoffs in year two didn’t he? Omar didn’t sign any CRAP in the first two years that cost us games or the division lead!
At this point in time under Omar we were 2 games up in the division…
This year we are 2.5 games behind!
Omar got 6 years total because he had three consecutive competitive seasons!
We are still waiting for Sandy’s first!
Omar didn’t have the Minor leagues to start with that Sandy had!
And Omar didn’t send away all our BEST players the first two years he was here!
Sandy did and brought in CRAP to replace it with the exception of the solutions OMAR left him!
Two years the focus has been the pen…How has that FOCUS worked out Jesse?
Tell us all it worked out good, show you have no reason for what you say just love of a guy who has done nothing to date to make this team what it is!
Omar’s owners were not in the middle of a $1billion lawsuit at the time.
Omar did get them to the playoffs you’re right, but he also was a GM for a team that at the time had the most epic collapse in baseball.
The bottom line is… in 6 years, 1 playoff appearance. It doesn’t matter that he did it in year 2. Because that just means he failed more recently.
I’ll give Sandy 6 years, you said you’d do the same so stick to it.
Yeah and that had nothing to do with the financials it was attendance that was to blame!
You keep using money as an excuse…This is a blog about Baseball and Sandy should be judged by the BASEBALL decisions not how much he had to spend!
He had 6 Mil he spent on a failure!
Under any budget that was bad!
Again, right now the Mets would occupy 1 of the NL playoff berths. Therefore, I’m not going to sit here and argue with you over this year being a failure because you have no idea what happens in October.
Here’s a question: If the Mets make it to the playoffs this year, then what? Would you then say “well Omar won more games in year 1″
Right now, the Mets are a playoff contender. And whether you care to admit it or not, financial situations of your owner have a lot to do with a GMs ability to sign and offer long term deals. Omar Minaya spent his best years as Mets GM before the recession hit, before Madoff hit, and before the lawsuit hit.
If the winter of 2010 or 2011 were the winters before the 05 or 06 season…. Carlos Beltran, Pedro Martinez and Billy Wagner are not signed to the deals they were signed to.
It’s nothing anybody can prove, except when you use logic to dictate the Wilpons could not commit to anything long term or in terms of large $.
This is why comparing the two regimes from 05-06 to 11-12 is asinine. Different times, different financials, different available talent.
Why bother Jessep, not that I always agree with you but this guy has no clue. You can’t use finances cause it hurts his arguments. He only hates SA because he doesn’t like you, Donal and Extreem and all 3 of you are supporters. If you guys were on the opposite side of the spectrum so would he. His agenda has gone so far as to say SA didn’t make baseball decisions in Oakland until 1992. See my point?
You forget the key here…it was Omar’s moves that made them a playoff contender!
So far with the moves that Sandy has made he has KEPT THEM from being the leader in the NL East with his focus on the pen two years running and so far two years failing!
Omar improved the positions he focused on, Sandy has downgraded something with every move he has made!
Actually this entire debate amazes and fascinates me. That’s why I can’t stay out of it. I know what the end road will always be but this constant need for vindication is something else. Why is the desire to lump people in groups so strong here?
This isn’t even about vindication TRS…
This is about Jessup’s stunnng refusal to admit that this team should be in a better place than it is if only the GM made good decisions!
Isn’t this place about debate about the moves made?
We are focusing on moves it is Jessup and the defenders who constantly try to make this about Sandy!
Haven’t you seen that yet? I mean look who started the rehash the last three days!
OK there Metsie. LOL. I am moving on because that was ridiculous.
Yes Omar came here with a bunch of expiring contracts and a hot free agent market a big fat checkbook, no payroll restrictions 2 young studs emerging, went out and tried to buy a pennant, had short term success and created a long term nightmare.
Enter Sandyman to clean up the bloated payroll created by Omar the great visionary, tried to keep the team competitive while dumping salary, continue to develope the prospects Omar left while adding prospects of his own, got rid of a huge17.5 huge headache of a contract option, did what Omar refused to do by cutting Ollie and Louie, traded a free agent to be with 2 months left on his contract who would not have resigned unless blown away because he wanted a chance to win a title for one of the top pitching prospects in all of baseball when everybody in baseball said there would be no way he could get a top prospect for, Mr. Beltran who’s about to go on the DL with a bad knee btw(shocker).
With very little money to work with and an equally weak free agent market he signed a bunch of stop gap bottom of the barrel players to mostly one yer deals to fill in the gaps while the prospects continue to develope, with none of those contracts blocking the young kids about to emerge from the farm and did all of this with a dead weight contract still in LF and a 24 million dollar pitcher never picking up a ball once last year.
He hired an excellent hitting coach and a manager who may not be able to manage a baseball game but has changed the losing culture that had been here before him. Does everything he do work? Absolutely not. Is he a genius? Absolutely not. But in no way shape or form can anybody say he’s been a lousy GM or worst GM in franchise history if you understand exactly what he was up against when he took over. Comparing the 2 situations that Omar and Sandy took over when they did is absolutely ridiculous.
No GM, including Branch Rickey was coming in here with a magic wand and fixing this mess in less than 3 or 4 years. And before somebody tells me how Omar had less to work with, that goes both ways. Omar had a worse farm system but a ton of money. Sandy had a much better farm with hardly any money and that nice farm system has yet to produce a star player. The jury is still out on all of them. It’s a work in progress.
Those who think Sandy is doing an awful job, are truly uninformed and those who think he’s done a great job are just as uninformed. The agenda’s by people on this site are utterly ridiculous. When they Win we get articles about Omars great farm system when they lose we hear how Sandy’s philosophy and cheap signings have caused it. Give me a fkn break already.
You call the bullpen a downgrade because you’re forgetting when you said
“It’s not about how you start but how you finish”
The Mets are a playoff contender right now. You judge Omar after 6 year’s, I’ll wait another 4 to judge Sandy.
How did they finish last year Jesse?
He focused on it then too!
Who did he send away?
The best one he had!
SO lets forget Francisco regardless of the fact that even those you don’t identify as Sandy Haters have started to rumble that maybe the Francisco deal was a bad one (one you went out on a limb to say was a good one!)
Based on last year did he make the pen better or worse when all was said and done?
Go on I dare you to defend last year’s pen!
Do you double dog dare me?
Would it encourage you to break with your usual tradition and answer a tough question posed to you for once?
Oh well a double dog dare hmm
So you want me to tell you this year’s pen is better than last year’s pen?
Based on talent, yes I would say this year’s pen is better.
You have the luxury of seeing how the season played out. Through May, the Mets bullpen consisted of
Blaine Boyer, Igarashi, Parnell, Carrasco, Byrdak, Izzy, Buchholz, Beato, KRod
So yes based on talent, I would rather have a group that consists of
Hefner, Byrdak, Ramirez, Rauch, Acosta, Parnell, Francisco
I think Hefner, and Acosta when the season ends are too weak to be on a big league roster and I think Boyer, Igarashi, Carrasco, Buchholz are now not good enough to be on a big league roster.
So that leaves Parnell, Byrdak, Beato, Izzy, KRod versus Parnell, Byrdak, Ramirez, Rauch, Francisco.
I can’t do anything about Beato’s injury so at the end of the day you’re asking me would I prefer to have Rauch+Ramirez+Francisco instead of just KRod and Izzy, and the answer is yes.
You’re seeing in MLB that a closer’s value is dropping drastically. I’d rather have more bullpen arms than 1 guy and a guy on borrowed time.
I’m not going to judge a guy like Rauch’s entire season based 2 terrible outings. Nor am I gonna decide Francisco is no longer effective. Is he the right fit for a closer? I don’t know yet. Maybe it’s Rauch. But I am confident Francisco can be a valuable arm in the pen
The problem here is you don’t like them because of who signed them. You ignore the fact that the back of their baseball card says they have the talent to be effective relievers. You just don’t want them to be, because your fingers need exercising.
And who brought those guys here you didn’t like?
Whats the count there?
Lets see you liked Byrdack…Beato And think Boyer, Carrasco, Bucholz
2 for 5 so far…Is that a good ratio for a GM on talent evaluation is it even 50/50?
And I find it hilarious that you look at the back of rancisco’s baseball card to determine he is good when he lost the closer job last year for being anything BUT good!
Guess it didn’t make it into your TOPPS Evaluation system!
Or Sandy’s!
Clayton, I’m disappointed in you. Don’t you know the unwritten rule is your not allowed to 2nd guess? Now delete this post and may God have mercy on your soul.
I’m sorry MNJ, please forgive me.
Hahaha. OK your forgiven.
Now jokes aside how is your fearless leader doing? Any updates? I said a prayer for him but me and the man upstairs have not been in the best of speaking terms so I hope everyone else has said a prayer as well.
He’s good. I spoke to him yesterday. He’s out of the ICU and in good spirits. I”ve been praying for him as well. Next time I speak to him I’ll let him know you’re thinking of him.
Yes, please do. Thanks.
No problemo.
Give him our best Clayton!
Yes, Clayton, please send all the best to him from all of us – and let him know that that is one thing that WE ALL AGREE WITH UNANIMOUSLY (and when will we ever see that again on MMO?)
I don’t know if the front office deserves a pass on Capuano or not. I was not impressed with his piching after the first two months of last season but Sandy expressed the team’s pleasure with his overall performance and that is the only opinion that counts. If there were plans to move Pelfrey into the bullpen as middle relief, the front office could have re-signed Capuano (Pelfrey could have always stepped back into the rotation to replace an injured or faltering starter). But if the plan was to keep Pelfrey in the rotation then the team could not carry six starters and Cappy would be the odd man out
It might have been worth retaining Capuano for middle relief and spot starting until an opening in the rotation or as insurance in case Santana could not hack it coming back from injury. For other clubs, the multi-year contract would not have been an issue and in the case of the Mets, it would have been less expensive than Francisco, but would Chris have re-signed with the Mets under those conditions?
Please send him my good thoughts as well, Clayton.
Will do guys, thanks for your well wishes for him.
Clayton, been looking for a column just like this: you, sir, are bang on. I couldn’t understand why Cappy wasn’t resigned. Take him over Gee or Pelf any day.
Nice work, buddy!
well, if you had just told everyone including Sandy he was starting 5-0, 2.34, then hell yeah he would have signed him!
Cap was a good guy to have around, really for back end/filler/depth. And I’m sure the Mets would have loved to have him back.
the wild card, of course, is how? Did he want a guaranteed rotation spot (wasn’t getting that here) instead of a BP promise and hope for some starts? Was it the 2 years? total $$? Only the FO and his agent really know for sure! I’m guessing a combo of the size of the contract (Mets) and not guaranteed rotation spot (Capuano).
But, I do agree that I too wish they had gotten another guy to fill this role better than Heffner or Batista.
But don’t forget, last year Capo was a reclamation project too. And lot’s of teams (including the Mets) have been burned with trying to keep the lighting in the bottle after that first year!
though I still think the team needed a back end guy too (putting aside whether 3F was the right one, they did need help there) so I don’t see these guys as either/or but rather needing both (roles if not guys)
Hey Any, Isn’t Sandy supposed to know how good he was? Isn’t that why he signed him in the first place?
Sandy should have sold him to Boston last September and gotten something.
Oh brother. Capuano will come back to Earth. Don’t let this start of the season fool you. He’s almost as hittable as Gee.
The Six Million Dollar Man is ours for 2 years, Patience
I am on record saying that I wished the Mets released Pelf and signed Capuano. I thought that for the same money we’d get better performances from Cappy.
Now if we erase the fact that Cappy has gotten off to a ridiculous start and Pelf got TJ…I thought that Cappy was gonna give silumar results without wasting the pen and demoralizing the team by giving up 5 runs in the first two innings.
I also said it would have been a good idea to sign Cappy just because we didn’t know the health of Santana and we didn’t know if Pelf or Gee could be effective.
For the record, Pelf did have a couple of good starts this year, but all last year and all spring, Pelf showed nothing that made me believe he deserved a spot on this team.
So I won’t say I told you so…but I did
Crap – loved this site but looks like its turning into every other blog. Whining writers relying on the passage of time to criticize decision makers.
Too bad, this was the best Mets site
HAHAHAHA YOU Hurt my Sandy!
Ok now I understand – just read Clayton’s bio, he’s a high school kid. Now I know why becomes across like an idiot. But doesn’t explain why he would be writing for MMO always saw this as a hi-quality site not high school project
Cut him some slack. Clayton is actually one of the more mature, level headed guys around here. If you didn’t check, you wouldn’t guess.
Clayton is a good writer expressing an opinion. If you disagree with him or you think his facts are off, then discuss those. There’s no need to talk down to him just because you’ve managed to not die for longer.
Age stopped being impressive a long time ago.
I wish I was able to write like that in HS in a outlet like this. Save your hate for something else and be appreciative of the work he is putting into it.
You know we have a teenager that blogs for us you and he has been incredible. Perhaps your jealousy is getting the best of you.
LOL, this made my day. So Clayton “becomes across an idiot”. Because age is inexplicably linked to ability to express ideas and he can’t be intelligent because he’s a high school kid.
Your logic and your grammar is impeccable. Save your hate next time.
Good point. If you insist on calling someone stupid, make sure you don’t do so in butchered English.
Hi Clayton,
Sometimes we should read the biographies more carefully for I forgot you were just a high school student. Again, you have a tremendous talent and in addition to the best of wishes for a successful career in journalism I am sure you will also continue developing the hard skin necessary to shrug off the unkind personal remarks one is always exposed to in this field should you decide to pursue it further.
As you probably have deciphered, I disagree with you about Capuano having a decent season with the Mets last year. Though a feel good story, Chris only pitched 186 innings in 33 starts, which comes down to an average of less than six innings per game – not many innings for one who didn’t miss a start all season. This placed a lot of additional strain on the bullpen with the extra work.
But beyond that, we should consider his overall performance. His 11-12 record is not indicative of how mediocre his season really was. After a poor start, Chris was able to lower his ERA to a respectable 3.99 through his first 16 starts, however his remaining 17 had him pitching to an ERA of over five, finishing the season at 4.55. Further, his ERA was more than a half a run higher than the league average, he was tied for fifth highest in the league giving up 27 home runs (while pitching half his games at Citi Field with it’s old dimensions) and opponents batted.270 against him, 17 points above the league average. His record was also tremendously helped by receiving he seventh best run support of any pitcher in the league.
In financial terms it was a good investment for the Mets but in competitive terms, it was not.
Therefore, I would say the Mets didn’t do well signing both Capuano and (to this point, at least) Francisco in terms of athletic competition. But I was hesitant to say so because I didn’t want my comments to just be dismissed again as simply being anti-Alderson.
And even more importantly I didn’t once more be the target of childish insults. You see, I never developed the thick skin I see you already are.
Joe
Thanks guys, I really appreciate all the kind words. Means a lot.
Except for you Satish, since you’re a freshman in college, your opinion isn’t valid to me, you “become across like an idiot” too
.
Oh and if some of you would like to be technical, I had my last day of high school two days ago, so this isn’t a high school project anymore Lol.
Congrats on graduating from HS, Clayton. On to college, where I’m sure you’ll do well. You have a bright future ahead of you.
Don’t let the haters get you down. Wouldn’t matter if you were 18 or 65 – some Met fans just gonna hate for the simple reason that they don’t agree with your opinion. Those that can’t express that difference of opinion without the personal attacks and rhetoric are the ones lacking, not bright kids like yourself.
Not to worry Clayton. Like I said, when Connor applied for TRDM after reading his blog Up Along First, I was amazed to find out he was 15. Talent is talent regardless of age. Some commenters can’t post a coherent sentence and as a teacher myself I am proud to see HS writers with such ability.
Talent is talent regardless of age”
Agree… JesseP is 29 and still has no talent..
as a teacher myself I am proud to see HS writers with such ability”
Wait, are you a teacher or a gym teacher??? Big difference you know
Teacher and Coach, Alex.
Alex68 — Do you teach home economics? LOL
Teeacher and coach huh?? Nice… Don’t quite get it but fine…
LOL, what is not to get?
nothing my good friend…
Well OK.
Every time you mention my age, it’s never accurate but always oozes with jealousy.
Keep in mind Alex, on a trivia question based on 1964 baseball… I got it right and did it within minutes of the posting… and you, a guy who was alive then, got it wrong.
I don’t need to be older than 30 years old to know Joe Torre is not in the Hall of Fame. I’m not sure what your excuse is.
LOL, can you guys settle this feud? Maybe we all should come up with some ideas for one of those MTV celebrity death matches?
Hi Jessep,
I immediately knew the answers to those 1964 questions, being old enough to have experienced the all-star game myself, but screwed things up by not noticing the entry rules and posting them on MMO instead. Comprehension problems is something you younger guys can also look forward to thirty years from now as well!
- Would appreciate everyone resisting temptation to replay that my comprehension problems had already been apparent, please!
*** “reply”, not “replay”, sorry.
AND DON’T USE THIS AS ANOTHER SIGN THAT AGE IS STARTING TO CATCH UP ON ME! LOL
Well 2 things Joey… the first you didn’t go into the shoutbox and say that “jessep will be wrong because he’s always wrong” (or something like that)
And 2, I don’t think you were right anyway. If memory serves me right, you missed an all-star, possibly Cepeda? I know you were wrong, I just don’t remember who you missed.
Well, we could’ve been face to face and you declined the offer.. So i have to rely on the shoutbox and the blog to tell you what i think of you…
I am sure his email is available so unless it’s more about trying to embarrass him you could do that.
I don’t need to send him an email… Wanted to see him face to face
Hi Jessep,
You’re right – though “Cha-Cha” was elected in 1999 by the Veterans Committee it was his being on the all-star squad that I actually missed!
Since we’re having fun with that question, I’m sure you can answer this one (without looking it up)
- Who did Johnny Callison hit that three run homer off of? One hint – it wasn’t D.J. Carasco!
Dick Radatz, a member of the Red Sox HOF. There was an article on it recently.
I actually only knew question #1 about the Mets lone rep because I think it was Delcos did a blog about it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aA02a_rWBA
Hi Jessep,
Do you recall many saying that both Raditiz’s and Callison’s careers went down hill shortly after that all star game confrontation? I know Raditz was never the same after his third season (1964) while 1965 was Johnny’s last great season as far as power and batting in runs was concerned.
Only saw Dick pitch on TV and remember that rising fastball he had. Last time I saw Johnny play was with the Yankees during a fourth of July doubleheader in 1973 (his final season) against the Red Sox and I remember he was hitting well under .200 at the time. Johnny passed away too young.
Also Joey worth noting, I filed an official protest with Clayton haha.
He asked for Hall of Famers on the NL Roster. So I did provide him with 12 players but also there were 2 HOF’s on the staff in Alston and Stengel!
I was gonna give the tix away to Alex though so I guess its okay that I lost! (I even emailed CC when I sent my ballot in that I had something planned for the tix to give em away)
Joey, I knew that about Callison but not the pitcher. Way back like 8 years ago or so I was in one of those MLB.com fake fantasy leagues where you drafted old players and could have old players with more recently retired players.
And then MLB simulated it or something. It was weird, but I was in college and ran a PC lab (which means I sat in a lab for 2 hours and made sure there was paper in printed). So that’s what I did…
Anyway, Callison was 1 of my guys so I read a lot about him.
Hi Jessep,
Know we’re getting off target here, but talking about simulations, when we were younger my brother and I would play stratomatic all the time. He was a big Dodger fan so often we re-played the 1978 world series and always with the same results. After beating him three straight times, he gave up on the fourth series confrontation.
I remember Davey Lopes was not the slickest fielding of shortstops in terms of range and was only a “3″ on his card. There was one game in which he was only able to get a force out at second whereas better fielders would have turned it into a DP – and that extra out enabled the Yankees to come back and win the game. Those games were fun to play.
Keep in mind Alex, on a trivia question based on 1964 baseball… I got it right and did it within minutes of the posting”
You enjoy that huh… Nice to know you got one up on me…
can you guys settle this feud?
TRS, Nope… This guy grind my gears.. He’s a young buck who thinks he knows more baseball than anyone, he’s arrogant, sarcastic, snark, a baiter, hypocrite, a liar, a horrible writer and what bother me the most about him is that he said he was 4 years old when the mets won the championship and he said he celebrated like it was 1999… Hugging and kissing people etc.. Like.. LOL.. Seriously…
Alex, do you have kids? Just curious.
No offense, this is a blog for mets talk. Not personal profiling… Basically mind your business..
Thank you…
You can’t say that if you are going to get on someone for their age Alex as that too should be personal information that is off limits just as their religion or other preferences.
But back to why it’s relevant.
As a coach, my 4 year old daughter had the joy of experiencing my team winning a National Championship in a 17U summer basketball organization. At 6 years old she still remembers that vividly because basketball is still part of her life. In fact this year when we were playing for our HS conference tournament championship she ask me if I was getting a trophy and people were going to rush the court again? So just from personal experience a 4 year old very well can celebrate an monumental event with their parents and recall that event. It just depends on how big of a deal it was to the parents and if that was a vital part of their life.
Like i said, MIND YOUR BUSINESS, i don’t need to tell YOU what i have, or don’t have, who the f*** made you the MMO police or something… this ain’t your little crappy desert blog where i am sure you demand certain things not here scu****, If i don’t feel like telling you my personal information then i won’t tell you… I don’t consider you my friend or anything like that, my view of you is 50/50.. I can tell you my age if you haven’t figure it out by now, but the point is when is about us certain regular things like age sex gender can be divulge but that’s it.. I don’t be asking you if you’re married, your kids etc, it’s none of my business, this is a mets blog for mets talk. Go to your desert and ask your buddies about their personal life, not me ok?
Thank you…
Again, seems pretty hypocritical to get on someone about their age but get defensive when someone ask you a similar personal question. You can cover it up with your normal insults but the fact is as a father of a 6 year old I know from experience that a 4 year old can not only celebrate a big win but also retain and remember that information just as any other significant event in that time. I still have a few memories from my youth from around that time and what you do remember is the highs and lows. I was only 7 years old at the time of the Mets WS, are you saying that I don’t remember it as well? Or is there a cut off?
Again, seems pretty hypocritical to get on someone about their age but get defensive when someone ask you a similar personal question”
Alex, do you have kids? Just curious”
are u asking my age or if i have kidS???? You’re doussshery has no boundaries… Again, if is bayonne or maniac, i have no problem answering the question, i just didn’t wanna answer it to you, don’t see why that’s a big deal…again, this is MMO not TRDesertM
Again, cover up the real issue because you have no answer for it. If your kid status is off limits then so should be age or gender. Not only that the question was not to reveal personal information. The question is to see if you have personal experience with what a 4 year old can remember and what they can’t. Obviously you do not.
the blog’s name is METS MERIZED ONLINE. who the f*** are you to tell me what to do and what not to do… Again, personal status is one thing, other family business is another thing.. Most of us are married with kids, or girlfriend and kids, nobody here cares about one personal life, it’s about the mets in this blog.. He mentioned he was 4 and going nuts, i called him out on it because no 4 year old kid celebrates like that.. Stop trying to be in people’s business and personal life, it’s not your concern you fu***** dou*****… I don’t get how you got a blog, trash up and down this blog and the shout box and yet you still here, now demandin people to do stuff.. You must be outside your godda** mind… Seriously, get a grip…
Hi Alex and everyone else,
I think that others can now appreciate how offended I got when the replies began getting personal (I was a liar, was condescending because of my age, always claimed to have links that were non-existant, etc., etc.) instead of just taking issue with my comments and tearing them apart if possible.
Clayton, I’m sure you’re reading this so could you and the others in MMO address this problem with a new entry? Some are able to enjoy and shrug off the back and forth insults but as mentioned, there are others, like us, who don’t have the thick skin to take it and this takes away from the fun of a passionate debate.
Joey what I did was completely innocent. I wanted to know if Alex had kids because as a father myself I know that a 4 year old can in fact celebrate a monumental moment with their family and recall it years later. That’s it, that is all. Period.
Alex, again. Your description is not anything I ever said. If you’d like to read the story of me celebrating the Mets in 1986 after Game 6, please see below where I go into detail.
If you don’t want to read it, that’s fine. But quit bringing it up like me being a young lad in 86 is so terribly offensive
So is not offensive when you have made snark remarks about me not writing proper english right??? Go and literally eat crow… Don’t play the i’m hurt card now, you’ve insulted me many times, and people here have seen it, don’t play the victim now, you’re a liar and one of the worst person in this blog.. I rather someone be honest and upfront and not a weasel like you…
Again, avoiding the issue. (Not to mention that you tell people what to do on here all the time so I am not sure how you could take that seriously).
The issue is that I do have a 6 year old that did celebrate tremendously over a sporting event at 4 years old and at 6 years old she still remembers it vividly.
Again, if you weren’t around when he said what he said don’t take his side TRS, i don’t have a problem with you but i hate when you butt in without knowing the history behind certain bloggers here… that’s my problem with you.. and if you wanna know about someone celebrating at 4 or 5 years old you should’ve asked me. not ask me if i have kids or not, all you needed to ask was if i remember anything when i was 4 or 5 years old.. Might say yes, some things, but you won’t here me say “i celebrated like crazy etc”… Hugging peopel and kissing and jumping up and down… He’s a liar!!
Alex, asking you if you remember something from 4-5 years old wouldn’t be as appropriate to the situation. The reason I ask is again, I said that my daughter certainly both celebrated an athletic event and remembered doing so a couple of years later. Thus from personal experience it is very possible that he both celebrated it and remembered it, especially if it was a big deal for his parents and family as those are the events you remember the most. Both good and bad.
Actually, I never said that.
What I said was, my baby sister’s 1st birthday party was on Saturday, October 25th. My entire family was there, and we have the entire party on video. One of those old video cameras that had a massive spotlight and needed to be plugged in at all times.
During that party, myself and my cousins watched the Mets. Then later that night we snuck out of bed to watch the conclusion of Game 6.
This video was played at almost every family function growing up, because of the things we did. In fact, one of my cousins passed away at the age of 31 just recently due to cancer and as you do at many funerals, there were talks of memories from our past.
And Alex, guess what memory was discussed by almost everybody?
The site of me, my older siblings and my cousins cheering for the Mets in 1986 on Saturday night of Game 6.
Do I “remember” how I felt then? No. But I have video tape of myself that I’ve seen at least 100 times.
So really, when you come here and try to cut me down because I was only 4 years old when the Mets won in 86. Remember that I have memories of that time, that you’ll never take away from me.
“Oh and if some of you would like to be technical, I had my last day of high school two days ago, so this isn’t a high school project anymore Lol.”
Congratulations Clayton on completing your high school studies.
I suggest not wasting your time spending four full years in pursuit of a bachelor’s degree but instead showing up for your first class and then quitting. You see, when you get older like the rest of us, you’re only going to remember about five minutes worth of stuff anyway so why all the bother…..?
Wellsz den mistah claytun sir I figures I ain’t gonna be giving yous any mo compliments wid my college level bra!n.
Seriously though bro, congrats on finishing HS. You finished early! I always got out June 20 something lol.
Lol thanks Satish and thanks everyone!
And yes getting out of school early is one of the many benefits of catholic school Lol.
Hey Clayton, Congrats on the Graduation..
As for the criticism levied against you from others for stating your opinion…
Wear it like a Badge of Honor! I Do!
You didn’t say anything wrong or unrealistic you merely had the Gaul to insinuate Sandy could have made a better move but didn’t!
Anyone who does that get attacked it seems!
And yet the ones that you consider Sandy supporters were the first to defend him. Why does this always have to be about Sandy?
I think many on both sides of the equation deserve less a badge of honor as much as they warrant being recipients of the Purple Heart!
Joey, unfortunately for some I think it’s more of a case of The Red Badge of Courage.
Actualy, Ron Hunt was the first Met to ever play in two all-star games as a Met (1964 as a starter and 1966 as an add-on). He got a single off Dean Chance his first plate appearance in 1964 and, of course, got as loud a standing ovation from the New Breed as did Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays.
Can’t believe it took MLB another 49 years to host the game in a New York City national league park.
Hi Tr,
Please know I didn’t mean for it to appear that I was taking sides and that is why I responded to Alex by saying hi Alex and everyone. It was not meant, in any way, to pick on you and if it came across that way, my sincere apologies.
Joe
Not at all Joey. I just think Alex took the comment the wrong way. Oh well.
Sorry TRS but it was a Sandy supporter who mad it (in this case and in almost EVERY case we see) about Sandy!
You guys take ANY criticism as about Sandy and then the Sandy sniping starts!
Not because we trash Sandy but because you defend him at every turn no matter what the cirticism is!
All Clayton did was suggest there was maybe a better move than Francisco to be made and a Sandy Apologist came running to the rescue throwing insults at him!
And THAT is precisely how this WAR got started!
And shows WHO has always started it too!
All the folks you identify as Anti-Sandy have done is question moves and speak our mind!
WHich is really what a blog comment section is supposed to be about!
Again not true:
“Rich s May 17, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Ok now I understand – just read Clayton’s bio, he’s a high school kid. Now I know why becomes across like an idiot. But doesn’t explain why he would be writing for MMO always saw this as a hi-quality site not high school project”
Now as far as this guy, I have never seen him on here before. However, as soon as that inappropriate comment was made the first ones to jump to Clayton’s defense?
Any
Donal
TRS86
Salty
Satish
SRT
Again this had nothing to do with pro or anti Sandy. It was an inappropriate comment regardless of Clayton’s views.
Clayton Rocks!!!
Nothing personal to you the author of this blog nor to Mr. Capuano but he is not the answer to our present closer’s problems nor to be a starter at this point. Seeing that Chris has never been a light’s out starter why would any team figure that he could be a closer or more valuable than Francisco to this team? Chris is another journeyman pitcher..that’s all!
Yes, Frank Francisco has had a number of shaky appearances as well as a few bad ones so far but so has every other closer in the league, We beat up on some of the best closers more than a few times ourselves. In the meantime, if the bases are loaded and you need a strikeout.Francisco is still the guy as of now. We have played only 1/4 of the season and Francisco has 8-9 saves. In terms of our starters……they have been pretty good so far and in general have kept us in most games.
I was assuming he wanted Chris to start and then either release Pelfrey or send Gee back to AAA or the pen and then have Parnell or Rauch close. Not sure that would have been any better at all. In fact who knows if Parnell or Rauch might have blown even more saves.