Comments on: Giving Credit When Credit Is Due And Not Before

By: Metsie

Metsie — Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:07:02 +0000

Yep and did he consult?
The President! And what did the president do?

Make player decisions!

Under reorganization Eisenhardt plans to move in and assume some of the general manager’s duties which Martin also administered (Martin ran Baseball Only, Business was seperate as I have showed) Rigney fits that mold perfectly…

You Lost!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:05:20 +0000

thank you for proving my point!
ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT!
Not Assistant to the GM!
The PRESIDENT made the decisions not Sandy! And the president decided based on what Rigney said! Sandy had no more choice or power of decision than McDonald did in the Seaver trade!

“Under reorganization Eisenhardt plans to move in and assume some of the general manager’s duties which Martin also administered. Rigney fits that mold perfectly …..”

Eisenhardt (NOT SANDY) took over Baseball decisions from Martin. Rigney reported to Eisenhardt (Not Sandy)
Sandy didn’t decide a thing!

YOU LOST!

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Tue, 05 Jun 2012 08:47:28 +0000

June 16, 1985|ROSS NEWHAN | Times Staff Writer http://articles.latimes.com/1985-06-16/sports/sp-2825_1_bill-rigney

“He carries a six-handicap on the golf course and the title of “Assistant to the President, Baseball Matters” with the Oakland A’s, an involved consultant to President Roy Eisenhardt and General Manager Sandy Alderson.”

An involved… consultant.

Whats that you say? An involved consultant. Just like I thought.. Like the slideshow said fro 83-97 all those decisions Sandy made. Oh look at that link it says he was Roy and Sandy’s assistant. LMAO…. Screwed yourself again. Sorry

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Tue, 05 Jun 2012 08:40:40 +0000

June 16, 1985|ROSS NEWHAN | Times Staff Writer http://articles.latimes.com/1985-06-16/sports/sp-2825_1_bill-rigney

An involved… consultant.

See in 1985 Rigney was an involved consultant to both Roy and Sandy. I guess that’s why he only contributed. Ahhahhhahhahahhhaaaahahhhaaahahhahhhahahhha LMFAO 1985. Yeah he decided what time he was playing the back 9.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Tue, 05 Jun 2012 02:44:06 +0000

ROFLMAO!

Yeah I’m frustrated and your the one using the Liar Liar pants on fire defense!

YOU LOSE!

I have 9 Pieces of Evidence that proves my point…
You have a quote about 1992 and a slideshow!

Yep there is a lot of lying going around and your the guy doing it!
YOU LOST!

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 23:21:45 +0000

No you type caps when you get frustrated that nobody believes you BS. You could type every word in caps for all I care. Caps lower case, either way your’e full of shit.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:03:06 +0000

Oh don’t remember what you said in chat?

I type caps not because you are frustrating me but because I know it pisses you off!

You nevewr back up anything you say with proof, just crap you claim is proof that says nothing about your point!

YOU LOST!

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:56:40 +0000

What the hell are you talking about?

By: Metsie

Metsie — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 00:06:42 +0000

YEah we know what you said I had to have the last word and you were going to prove to me I couldn’t get it…

How has that worked out for you so far dude?
ROFLMAO!

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:53:04 +0000

No I said you have to have the last word. I said I’m just playing your game. I know I’m right, you can’t pass your lie by me. I proved everything I needed to prove and you also helped to prove my point. Your proof turned out to go against you. Rigney advised not decided. Sandy did. Thanks again for making my point. Hope you get some sleep now, research can take hours especially when you can’t find what you’re looking for cause it doesn’t exist.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:45:19 +0000

Then let him take up your case!

I didn’t involve Maniac in this I merely pointed out that what you DID and I’m doing back was once what Jessup used to do and he stopped when I did it to him!

Now it’s your turn my friend.
I have the proof and you got nothing!
Your just arguing to get the last word in! You admitted so yourself!

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:39:30 +0000

Should say don’t bring Maniac into this he’s not involved.

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:38:17 +0000

Don’s, he has nothing to do with this, he already knows Alderson made these moves and disagrees with you so no need to involve an innocent bystander. Sandy said Rigney contributed he didn’t say he made the moves that Sandy made. Eisenhardt made no baseball decisions he handed that to Sandy and Rigney was his advisor, aka consultant. Eisenhardt handled the business end and Sandy baseball operations. The moves and baseball decisions have Sandy’s name not Rigney because Rigney was consulted, he advised he didn’t make them Eisenhardt didn’t make them Sandy did. Your Caps don’t piss me off, you write in Caps because your pissed off you can’t get me to buy your lies like Joey D does. Sorry I’m not gullable. You continue to make my point with your 3 links. I thank you for that.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 23:28:45 +0000

Oh in case your interested I am typing in All Caps because I know it pisses you off!

And as Maniac pointed out What I’m doing is what Jessup has done before!

And your the one who admitted to doing the same!

So you KNOW your wrong you just want to play who gets the last word in…

Well I guess you lose on that front too!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:56:03 +0000

And who did he consult? Eisenhardt NOT Sandy!
that means Eisenhardt ORDERED Sandy to make all those deals in your slideshow!

You just got showed up dude!
Proved my point and slammed your slideshow into oblivion!

SANDY SAID HE WAS THE MAN! Gave Rigney ALL the credit for the team that was built!

Which makes your case LOST!

If you persist, the only thing your going to prove is that your a loon!
I’m sure guys like TRS know this which is why they appealed to me as they know I’m the one who has even the slightest bit of a chance of being reasonable!

YOU LOST!

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:21:23 +0000

Thanks you Metsie for proving my point even further. Rigney was hired in an advisory role as a special assistant to the President. Note- Advisory role = consultant. Sandy says he contributed to the moves, exactly corect he contributed to the moves and decisions that Sandy made. Also note the article was in 1982 one year before Alderson became GM and VP of Baseball Operations and Rigney was an advisor and not a decsion maker. I read all these articles the first time you made these claims in February and they say exactly what I’m saying. Rigney consulted, he advised Sandy, he was Sandy’s shoulder to lean on. Thank you for finally showing the proof I need to bury this issue once and for all. Sandy Drafted Mark McGwire, Sandy Drafted Walt Weiss, Sandy Drafted Terry Steinbach, Sandy acquired Dave Parker, Sandy Acquired Mike Moore, Denis Eckersly, Dave Stewart, Glen Hubbard. What did Rigney do? Advised him. Advising is not making decisions or moves it’s advising them. Sorry but you made my point even better. Thanks!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:35:51 +0000

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2209&dat=19821027&id=sqMrAAAAIBAJ&sjid=rvwFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2503,7278997

Eisenhardt said he was counting on Rigney to bolster the team’s player development.

http://newspaperarchive.com/tyrone-daily-herald/1982-10-21/page-6
Under reorganization Eisenhardt plans to move in and assume some of the general manager’s duties which Martin also administered (Martin ran Baseball Only, Business was seperate as I have showed) Rigney fits that mold perfectly since he is a former big league manager and currently is under contract to the California Angels as an advisor to president.

So Eisenhardt took over Player decisions which is why Rigney reported to him not Sandy! PROOF!

But just because I want you to feel even WORSE here is a quote from SANDY HIMSELF!!!!!

After the A’s won an American League pennant in 1988, then-A’s executive Sandy Alderson said, “When you talk about people who have contributed to our success, you have to single out Bill Rigney. His contributions have been enormous. He has been involved in every one of our player acquisitions since I came here in 1982. I’ve watched 600 or 700 games with Bill, and it’s been an education.”

YOU LOSE…You LOSE BADLY!!!!!!!

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:13:21 +0000

First off he wasn’t a consultant…Second…

If he was a consultant why didn’t he consult with the guy you think made the decisions?

Because he wasn’t making the decisions anymore than McDonald decided to trade Seaver!

YOU LOSE!

By: Fonzie13

Fonzie13 — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:10:51 +0000

Nope Rigney consulted, did not make decisions, Sandy made them, Haas said so. Rigney was under Sandy. You link shows it, I didn’t rearrange it. Eisenhardt made no personnal decisions, zero. He was legal and marketing. Rigney broadcasted in 83 and 84. Sandy built the team. Sorry.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:00:56 +0000

Thats right Martin ran it and when he left Rigney came in!

Who was Rigney’s Boss? Sandy or Eisenhardt?

If Eisenhardt never Usurped his BASEBALL guy and Rigney was his BASEBALL guy who made the decisions?
Rigney or the the guy he never reported to?

YOU LOSE!