These guys know full well every Owner is pretty much the same and say the same things…

Steinbrenner made a career out of calling out players yet he had no issues resigning and reupping them when it came time to talk money!

Winfield might be the one excpetion I think Griffey Jr can be added to that list.

It doesn’t matter now really does it?
He’s a cardinal. The original point still remains this team COULD have been better and by Beltran not being here made worse than it could have and should have been.

Which is what some of us said long before Beltran compiled a single stat.

We made a decision based on Money and it cost us in baseball.
Some think thats ok because they think Money is jjust as important as baseball but the truth is it is not…it’s the BASEBALL that brings the fans to the stands, wins the games and pays the bills.
Not how frugal you are!

We can only speculate if the friction was not limited to just the former general manager and reflected the feelings of the ownership as well. There is indeed no way of knowing.

In the end whatever ill will may have existed could have been washed away by extending him or making an offer in the offseason.

But since it wasn’t made we really will have no way of knowing.

Guess even I got confused about the point you were trying to make but that’s what offen happens when semantics enters the debate – it usually creates more confusion than clarification LOL.

We knew full well and know which teams are having Issues and money problems.
Houston has had them, texas too, Mets Dodgers all were pretty clear even before the MLB got involved that there was money issues.

But note it’s never a team with a high payroll in trouble!

Always a middle or non-spender that you hear about!

The problem is you should not pretend to know something on the basis of the sentence “I Don’t Know!”

This is your problem in most everything you argue!
You claim to know something but it’s all based on what you don’t know!

2+2=5 because I don’t know it actually equals 4!

What business can you start?
Can you open a store with no venue and no stock?
Can you put on a play with no stage and seating or performers?
Can you start an insurance business without enough money to cover a claim?
Can you even register a business for free?

Answer yes to anyone of them with examples of how it works and you will win this argument!

Hi Metsie,

And to add to that, when has a commissiner urged somebody to apply for the general manager position when that individual had no desire to apply for it in the first place? And then, how often does a business hire that same type person?

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-02-02/sports/27738554_1_mets-gm-wilpons-payroll

Again, the famous words attributed to you by the pen of Denis Leary “I’m the enemy because I like to think. I like to read. ”

We will never know if we could have signed him or not, because we never tried to get him!

It’s like saying I can’t possibly walk and then making sure that statement is true by refusing to actually take a step!

Carlos was on the market for a decent amount of time.
If we had made a similar offer before the Cards there is no reason to believe he would have turned us down.
No proof he would have either.
Likely unlikely doesn’t matter because it’s easy to be a prophet and say he wouldn’t accept when he had nothing TO accept in the first place!

No, that is a cliche, not a rule.

I don’t know. How many? We only hear about it when something major happens in the media. Wasn’t there some story last year about a bunch of teams falling behind on payments to MLB but it wasn’t a big deal because it was typical and being worked out?

Also, how many are making money off revenue sharing? That has to get figured in as well.

“Really this attempt at creating evidence out of lack of information or facts is typical and dishonest!”

I’m not trying to create evidence. I am in fact pointing out your baseless assumption. You are the one asserting things when you don’t have any evidence to support them.

“Funny how there was no hiding the Mets money losses now was there?”

Because the Mets were trying to navigate the Madoff situation on top of it. Had that not been an issue, the restructuring may have just been a blip on the radar.

“Or the Dodgers!”

Again really different situation with some tabloid suitable elements. The shady way McCourt bought the Dodgers, the divorce, the crazy expenses, the fact that McCourt and his charming wife used the team as an ATM machine, the guy in Boston putting a spell on them etc etc

Finding out the Phillies need an extra 4 months to pay back a loan…meh

Finding out teams in the top 2 media markets are having whacky adventures tied into their finances…headlines

What was their salary when he took over and what is it now? What is it going to be after the cuts?

Note he isn’t trying to cut 55 Mil in one year he is only cutting 40 over 3!

AND what is his record now that he cut salary?

I’m going to need at least 3-5 good sources of superbly successful businessmen(women) who said that please.

Thanks.

Nuff said here!

You say “I find it incredibly unlikely”

But this after you got called out on stating it as a FACT:
“Beltran wouldn’t have been on the Mets in 2012 trade or no trade”

You have to SPEND money to MAKE money!

Really this attempt at creating evidence out of lack of information or facts is typical and dishonest!

Funny how there was no hiding the Mets money losses now was there?
Or the Dodgers!