If you’re thinking World Series………. oh boy

This might prevent the Mets from being buyers even if it involved claiming one off the waver list or signing a player released by somebody else rather than parting with some from our minor league system.

the other option (short of just losing guys for nothing) is to trade “backwards”, which is what Omar had to do that one year when he traded a couple of older RPs for younger SPs (henry Owens, and that other dude). If they have the service time to require being protected, and you don’t have room, that at least converts them into a player that you can keep.

the pending clog also makes it a lot easier to trade away a guy for a rental if needed 9say, BP help?_

nothing wrong with taking a very young guy and keeping him at the complex for extensive tutoring before releasing him to a team where you have much less control over what goes on.

Santana, Dickey and Niese are your starters atleast until 2014.

That leaves two slots left…With Harvey, Familia and Wheeler to fill them. (Not even counting Gee!)

Harvey and Wheeler they are pretty sure of as starters. Familia they still are on the fence.
So that makes familia the more expendable option of those three and since he is a BA lister is one of those prospects everyone seems to think you need to get an A List talent in trade…

You have Beato and Mejia, both of whom could be converted to starters in a pinch if needed but more likely will take up two of the Pen spaces from guys we currently have. Between those two and Parnel ONE will become a closer unless we trade for one.

There is your 7th, 8th and 9th inning pen arms.
Gee is middle and long relief if pushed off the rotation or traded for something else.

That makes every other young arm in the Minors thats left and can not beat out Harvey, Wheeler, Niese, Dickey and Santana as Pen arms or maybe a 5th starter (if not Gee) for whenever Santana finally leaves.

Our IF is pretty much set, Ike 1B, Murphy 2B, Tejada SS and Wright 3B.

OF is almost set as well. Duda, RF, Kirk CF or RF and we might need some kid once we find a way to dump Bay.

That leaves the needs at Catcher and maybe CF for 2013 and maybe a SP until Wheeler is promoted.
But by trading for a good young starter this year you buy yourself time from having to rush Wheeler should he stumble, Shore up the rotation for the end run in 2012, and your starting 9 on any given day is pretty well set!
You have the Baxters and or valdespins for your bench, and you have enough of a young core to build on for the next decade!

Thats when making good draft selections comes into play!

So while you may not know Sandy SHOULD know pretty much what he has, what confidence he has in it’s ability to fill a hole and anyone who thinks hoarding any more kids we have no room to play is just not thinking or caring about the MLB just the Minor league roster!

And I get a kick out of the guy saying “once we see we don’t need them as much…”

That’s a classic! Yeah let’s make a trade involving only players that we know are not gonna be what we want them to be. Yeah the other teams are not going to notice that either. Incredible.

But anyway very good post and someone finally realizing if you want to WIN it’s not just about growing your own but it’s also about taking risks to get what you need. It’s about making bold moves in order to fill the spots you feel you need will make you win. It’s always about doing what you can to win and let’s not forget that Pete is talking about getting major league ready youn arms so what’s the difference if u get young major league ready arms for prospects. At least with the major league or closer to major league ready arms you know can perform at this level while lower level propects can still bust.

it’s always a risk and you may win some or lose some but you will never, ever be able to get around it. You will always have to give to get. It is never convenient and it’s never easy. It’s a chance to take but that’s the way it goes if you feel another team has something that will help you win with your current situation.

Guys like Dolis and Samardzija would not require major prospects in return (not sure what kids they have in the Cubbie Den)

Minnie has Scott Diamond and are desperate for some better hitting from their Middle infield. They have a 38 year old SS (Carrol) hitting .231 and their 2B (Casilla) is hitting .243 So they might make a good fit.

Seattle has Felix Hernandez (.280 ERA) Thier 2B and SS are hitting .247 and .180 respectively.

And the guys who are in town now could use some hitting. Hell Jason Bay would be considered a good hitter to them! LOL
Bass and or Thayer would be targets there…

Lost of stuff potentially available that can be a help solve the Pelfrey problem this year and move to the pen if Harvey familia and Wheeler get here that would not cost a lot of money and not cost us any players in a position of great need!

I do think the ovewhelming lack of trades to date suggest Sandy has been in a longer than usual evaluation mode both from the MLB side and the Minors….

You would expect a new GM coming in to make a few more Minor League moves than we have to date.
Some have used that lack of movement as rationale for saying no one wants our Minors. But I doubt highly that is the case.
Could be because Sandy was not in the team building business when he started and didn’t have a bunch of players he had to build his want list or wasn’t sure what the MLB team needed and could be used to fill those needs.

But he has to have a handle on that by now.

I can definitly see some moves as a buyer if we are still in the race at the deadline.
And it would not surprise me at all to hear familia’s name mentioned in them either.
They seem to be on the fence about his starter/reliever usefulness and it makes a ton more sense to trade him while he is developing as a starter than a reliever because you will get more for him in that sense.

Maybe we are buyers for a good closer (though can’t think of anyone who fits that bill.)
Perhaps a front line Starter is available where Familia can be the centerpiece plus some other combination of prospects/MLB in the mix.

We have a lot of good pitchers but we also have a glut of infielders too!
Valdespin, Flores, Havens could all be included in mid season deals that would not drastically impact our future considering Murphy has seemingly become the 2B, Tejada (while injured) has been one of our better hitters and will get better at the young age of 22.
Ike has had his struggles but Sandy was pretty clear last night that they think Ike is the man at 1st and will overcome his current issues.

Mejia and Beato will both be viable options to fix the pen which makes the ability to break into the Majors for many of the arms in the Minors much more difficult so why not turn them into something else that can easily fill some role?

I definitly see some moves ahead and we will be surprised to see we have a bunch of good trade chips GMs actually want but it’s just that because they don’t get mentioned in top 100 Prospects lists the laymen fans devalue them.

It will be a very interesting July if we find ourselves only 3 or 4 games out of the division and fully in the thick of a Wildcard race!

And then we will see just how much anyone wants the Kids everyone said we didn’t have or weren’t worth it just 6 months ago!

Maybe they’ll trade Robert Carson!!!

Buyers are likely scarce.