15
2012
Brew Crew Rock The Mets In 8-0 Blanking
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Mets got beaten all-around tonight in an 8-0 Brewers victory.
Summary
Well, it was not Francisco tonight.
There is no nice way to say this – we just did not have it tonight. The offense bit and Collins made one really intriguing decision… Oh, Dillon Gee was not on his game either.
So the aforementioned Gee started tonight and pitched into the sixth ineffectively – allowing 8 H and 7 ER, with the main blows being two HRs by Travis Ishikawa and an RBI double by Jon Lucroy. Acosta, Carrasco, and Ramirez took over to finish off the game for the Mets. Ramirez looked sharp…probably because the game was 8-0 at that point. He struck out 5 in 2 and two thirds innings.
One of the talking points of the game was a HBP via Carrasco – he drilled Braun in the upper shoulder with a fastball after a Weeks HR and was immediately ejected.
“BurkhardtSNY: Hahahahahaha i saw that too! RT @SurfingTheMets: Not a great lip reader, but I think Carrasco said, “That was for Shyam.” That was a tweet by Kevin Burkhardt after the game talking about a possible intent for the HBP. (Thanks to Alwayzamazin for the tweet.) At first glance, I thought he had zero reason to hit Braun nor did I believe it was on purpose – it seemed to be a fastball that slipped out of his hand. Make your own decision.
Wright was removed for a pinch hitter in the bottom half of the seventh and took serious offense to it, going as far to visibly get in Collins’ face about it. Personally, I have to tip my hat to David for showing some serious life out there and I have to respect that. He was pissed about being taken out early.
Overall, the offense was dead. Wright and Baxter had doubles in this one but that was about it. Greinke blanked the Mets for 7 innings with 7 Ks. The Mets were 0-3 with RISP. Wright picked up a CS in this one – #5 for #5.
Goat Of The Game
Dillon Gee. Tough night for him and I hope he rebounds for his next start.
Notes
That Braun HBP is going to give us a lot of extra publicity.
And the D-Wright angry outburst is going to start a media frenzy. Brace yourselves.
Leave it to Ramon Ramirez to look dominant in an 8-0 disadvantage.
The booth speculated that Wright and Murphy were taken out to avoid being HBP in retaliation by the Brew Crew. Not sure what kind of message that sends… I mean, is it ok for Turner or Valdy to get drilled but god forbid Wright gets hit? I know it was 8-0 but…taking out Wright and Murphy seemed like something that gave me a bad taste all around.
I feel like we took a lot of pitches tonight. Not in terms of volume but… I mean, I believe Duda watched a fastball in his wheelhouse on 3-0 in the fourth. In a 2-0 game, you gotta swing in that spot.
On Deck
The Cincinnati Reds come into town tomorrow evening to face our ace, Johan Santana. They will counter with Mike Leake in a 7:10 pm start.
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Well, that was an interesting game.
In a nutshell, Gee sucked, most of our offense was non existent (hat tip to Greinke there) and it still managed to be a game worth watching due to Braun being plunked, DJ being tossed and Wright with the mad on.
Ump had no reason for the ejection. Baseball needs a way to for teams to protest bad umps like this. Collins did a bad thing by pulling Wright. Did he think they were going to throw at his head? Come on Collins, be a real manager and let your best player actually play the game. As for Braun, he deserves to get drilled in every at bat. He is a cheater who got away with doing steroids without any punishment. Its not going to fix the game by having Carrasco hit him though.
Let me get this out of the way. I think Wright was right to disagree with T.C. about being pulled. He is one of the leaders on this team and as such he is not going to let a teammate get hit for him. I think T.C. played this wrong. I believe T.C. said they wouldn’t hit Valdespin yada yada yada but you have to wonder what Valdespin has to think about it.
As far as the game what can be said? Gee 5 1/3 7 runs Greinke pitched lights out Mets lose. Not much to analyze there.
Positives for me was Mr Wright stepping up in the dugout wanting to literally take one for the team.
LGM!!!
I agree because if they really want Revenge they will simply get it the next time these two meet!
Honestly to me if the Brewers were REALLY pissed they should have hit one of our kids to show, hey if you are going to hit Wright then we are going after Kirk.
Well if you go after their MVP they are going to want to go after yours, and at this point you would have to say Wright could very well win the MVP if his current numbers hold and we get to the playoffs.
Yeah what I meant to say is that if you are going to pull Wright then we will just hit a kid like Kirk in repayment.
Did not see the game.If i am David Wrights agent i would advise him to play out his contract and go free agent.He deserves a chance to play for a winner.He has wasted enough years playing for this joke of a franchise.Not that i want to see David drilled, but the whole episode seems very odd on Collins part.The guy played a month with a broken back.Than ths year with a busted finger.Is Collins going to start pulling Wright everytime we hit somebody?Please use your brain David and get out of this organization.
This game was about Greinke and not the offense sucking. Although i think the Mets blew a chance early in the game. Duda was up, the count was 3-0 and the Mets down 3-0 with a runner on 1st he took a 3-0 meatball right down the middle. He’s a middle of the order guy who has to drive in runs and should’ve been looking dead red in that situation and take that pitch over the wall or into the gap. As it turned out he wound up “working the pitcher” (a phrase i’m learning to hate more and more) got the count full and struck out with Wright stealing.
You have to be aggressive in the right spots because the game is not going to come to you and besides when you have one of the best pitchers in the league you have to go after them early in the count or else they will take command. And that’s what Greinke did tonight.
Also Collins was dead wrong there. You don’t take out your 2 top hitters just because you feel they’re going to get hit, what the hell is that? And he took them out down 8-0 before they had a chance to bat in the 7th and Greinke coming out of the game. He threw the game away and also in so many words told Valdespin and anybody else who’s not a star he doesn’t care if they get a ball right between the eyes
Stop overdramatizing. This will blow over as soon as the next game begins. I disagree with you (surprise) that Collins shows Valdespin, for example, that he doesn’t care about him. Wright might be a target, but Valdespin…not so much. That’s Collins’ point. Get it?
I think this was the first time I ever saw a manager pull his players out to avoid possible retaliation for a possible bean ball. Was the decision right? I can see Terry’s position, however, with those on the field, it’s also a macho thing.
Of course, Terry also could not take the Cole Hammels route and even hint of it possibly being intentional. I doubt the Brewers will take it at Terry’s word either, but it probably won’t matter anyway for the next time the two teams square off at each other will be September 14 and by that time they will either be concentrating on a playoff hunt or playing their minor league call ups.
what the hell is Shyam?
Hi 96,
I was asking myself the same question. Could it be the name of the courier who’s reputation was tarnished by Braun?
“Major League Baseball management has fired Shyam Das, the arbitrator who overturned Ryan Braun’s drug suspension in February.”
That guy. If it makes any sense.
Satish,
Sounds more like Burkhart plageurizing Gary Cohen who said something to that effect on the air.
Gee sucked. Murphy and Wright were the only bright spots. Let’s move on to another game.
Well, Gee kept us withing eight, Des!
Hip hip hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wright was removed for a pinch hitter in the bottom half of the seventh and took serious offense to it, going as far to visibly get in Collins’ face about it. Personally, I have to tip my hat to David for showing some serious life out there and I have to respect that. He was pissed about being taken out early”
So explain to me satish how you can tip your hat to a player that has just disrespected the manager in FRONT OF the whole world? Listen, i like when a player shows emotion, this game is supposed to be fun, but i thought he was out of line, heat of the moment or whatever it was but you don’t show off your manager like that.. I guess it’s ok for david wright to do that too and we shouldn’t have a problem with him.
another thing, what exactly is collins doing removing him from the game after braun got plunked? what a bitc* as* move! he then later said if i hit your guy you hit my guy”. uhhh, what? memo to collins, the brewers will play the mets again!!!
Another back biting comment from one of a group which can’t stand David Wright’s success. Where was these whiners when Jose Reyes more egregiously defied Jerry Manuel a few years ago?
Mets and MIL don’t play again until 14 September.
By then, they’ll probably be other issues occupying both team’s minds like maybe trying to secure a WC spot.
You all should do yourselves a favor and read the NY Post piece on the incident.
Clearly, DW exercised a lack of self-control. On the other hand, people make mistakes when they are angry and frustrated. In NY Post article, it’s abundantly clear that both DW and TC admire and respect one another. Any way you slice it, the bottom line is that this was about the passion to win. A case of the wrong means justified by the end.
Another back biting comment from one of a group which can’t stand David Wright’s success. Where was these whiners when Jose Reyes more egregiously defied Jerry Manuel a few years ago?”
REALLY???? Reyes got anhilated for every little thing he did.. Specially on this site!!! Are you kidding me??
Alex68 — The question was addressed to you. What did you do when Jose pulled his stunt?
Lets just stay away from his complex today.
I am refusing to get into your Wright complex today. Only to say that the move by Collins was crap and is just setting up Wright getting hit later.
trs86 — TC made a smart move. He protected the two guys who are now very productive. In the case of David, TC didn’t want another Matt Cain fiasco. A concussion can last a long time. Sidney Crosby was effectively out for 10 months after the Penguins thought he’d be back in a week. Even a year later, Crosby acknowledged he’s still not concussion-free.
Sorry, while I understand the other side I just don’t like it. You can’t cheat baseball. If Braun was hit on purpose then one of our guys deserves to get hit. You can’t live in fear. If it wasn’t on purpose then you hit another guy as well. I just don’t like it. Now if he had just pulled him to give him some rest? I could deal with it.
Hey Alex,
I understand the viewpoint that he was being disrespectful and for all intents of purpose, I can’t truly disagree with that. However, I didn’t believe Wright had that kind of mean streak in him – a good leader can’t be calm all the time. His interviews are always the calmest of the calm. So it’s nice to see some kind of edge from him, since a decent amount of people paint or desire David to be a captain.
This isn’t something Wright will likely do again – I don’t think he’s going to make a habit of showing up his manager, so i’m ok with it at this point. It was definitely in the heat of the moment. David definitely respects Terry, as well.
Collins is not the manager of the future nor does he have a good track record dealing with vets. So if one of them would be on their way out, it’s likely Terry anyway. Makes me wonder.
This isn’t something Wright will likely do again”
Satish, how do you know? did he tell you that? Listen, he acted wrong, he admitted this himself and some people in this very site that worship the guy are blaming somehow collins for this… It’s downright pathetic!
Alex,
You’ve been watching Wright for years, as have I. You know that he rarely expresses emotion like that and he falls in line pretty much all the time. This was an anomaly – an outlier on his list of behavior and that’s why I feel it won’t happen again.
That being said, he did admit to being wrong and went to damage control in the post-game work, so, that’s a testament to the way he normally acts. If something like this happens again, i’ll eat my words and admit to being wrong. – but i doubt that it will.
We’ll be better off once guys like Gee are gone and Terry Collins is not our manager.
Matt — Biting the hands that feed you! What’s your gripe?
This Wright/TC thing was a no win situation.
I think TC was right to do it. If the game is 4-0, then no. But 8-0 is different. You have no idea what the mindset of the guy with the ball in his hand is. He could throw at Wright Estes style, Cole Hamels style or Matt Cain style. You just don’t know.
If Wright got hit, and was shelved for significant time, the season is done and TC could be done too.
Wright was correct in wanting to go out there and be the leader and take the hit he had coming. I’m not sure how you can get on him for showing emotion like that. Frankly, it was a breath of fresh air.
Honestly, I’m glad our manager looks at this team as having a chance and based on the bad luck we’ve seen over the last 5 years, he recognizes putting Wright out there just to get hit is in no way the best interest of the team.
Then why hit Braun to start with and if we are saying that DJ didn’t mean to then the Brewers would be stupid to retaliate and then you take care of business again. If the Brewers felt so strongly that they needed to get someone ejected to retaliate then I am guessing they know DJ meant to do it.
I cannot pretend to know what is going on inside Carrasco’s head. I can tell you in my opinion, TC thought DJ did it on purpose.
You don’t have a post game presser like that if you didn’t 100% think your guy threw at Braun.
OK then you have to pay for your guy being an idiot and hitting a guy in a game that was already over. If they decide to hit Wright for that then why isn’t turnabout fair play?
This entire thing is Carrasco’s fault. Hey, how about you not give up a HR in what was already considered a blowout game, so you don’t have to even remotely think about plunking the next batter that came up? Dummy……
He should apologize to Wright for even putting him in the position where he felt the need to defend his baseball honor by going out there to get plunked himself.
Agreed. My blame goes: DJ>>>> Collins.
7 runs on 8 hits? yeesh. Someone PLEASE answer me this.
I’ve been hearing about how guys like Acosta & Francisco are costing us game after game (which is true). However, do any of you know who gives up the most runs among the pitching staff? One Dillon Kyle Gee. I’ve heard the lambasting Acosta & Francisco got, but Gee is virtually unscathed?
I understand he’s working on his control and stuff, and he’s gotten better in that area. Unfortunately, he’s becoming worse than he was in the 2nd half of last season. He’s batting practice to opposing teams. His ERA, Opp BA, H/9 and WHIP raises a red flag and it tells me that maybe Gee needs to work out whatever’s going for a little bit in Buffalo because he’s becoming harder to watch.
What is there to do? Moves need to be made pronto because the way we are GIVING UP runs more than the Mets actually scoring runs themselves has got to stop.
-Gee & Francisco to AAA (if Francisco can’t be moved, reassign him to middle relief)
-Release Acosta
-Hefner, Hampson & Egbert to Mets
-McHugh promoted to AAA
-Olson moved to the AAA pen
As far as the Wright-Collins thing goes, it’s nothing to get worked up about. We’ll forget about it by next week anyway. I cannot blame Wright for being angry for being taken out being the competitor he is. We rarely see Wright blow up like that anyway. When was the last time Wright got legit pissed? When he got tossed by the ump a few seasons ago on a strike 3 call? However, I can’t blame Collins either. Don’t forget though, if something went wrong like say, Wright taking another fastball to the noggin, we’ll be in deeper shit. Also people, don’t even start about Wright “showing up the manager”. Drop it, especially if you’re of the “Wright has no heart and is too soft” variety. Just shut up.
Gee had a real bad day no doubts about that….
But here is something Collins had better learn rather quickly….
You can not pitch guys like Batista and Gee back to back!
They are both practically the SAME pitcher as far as stuff and approach goes!
Both have a mediocre fastball and rely on the breaking balls to get the job done.
Batista had some success the night before but they were well conditioned to jump all over the breaking balls by the time Gee got to the mound!
You need to breakup those types with a power pitcher in between. And see the rotation schedule ahead of time to avoid those double matchups.
It might have been better to give Niese the night off (he had the flu didn’t he?) and pitch Batista against the Marlins, Then if Niese was feeling better pitch him the next night followed by Gee.Or even Gee on short rest and Niese last night. That would split the two so they didn’t both face the same team at least.
As for the bats well they were facing a former CyYoung winner lets not forget that!
You can’t win every game and it would be unfair to expect the bats to make up for 8 runs even if they were not facing a former CY winner.
I’m wondering if D.J. Carasco is in Terry’s dog house for instigating the whole thing.
Am sure that Carsco threw it out of being unable to control his personal frustration. Since he’s been called up he’s appeared in three games in which he’s pitched 2.1 innings and allowed two runs on five hits.