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	<title>Comments on: Trades From The Distant Past &#8211; Tommie Agee</title>
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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J.J.,

Dick Young was Grant&#039;s mouth piece and his son-in-law just happened to get a job with the Mets front office so there was a personal relationship as well.  They both shared their hatred of free agency and other things.  I think the attached sums up perfectly what happened and  touches upon Young&#039;s role in all this.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/true-story-midnight-massacre-article-1.224970]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.J.,</p>
<p>Dick Young was Grant&#8217;s mouth piece and his son-in-law just happened to get a job with the Mets front office so there was a personal relationship as well.  They both shared their hatred of free agency and other things.  I think the attached sums up perfectly what happened and  touches upon Young&#8217;s role in all this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/true-story-midnight-massacre-article-1.224970" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/true-story-midnight-massacre-article-1.224970</a></p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joey D,

I believe Grant for whatever reason had the ear of mrs. Payson. The Mets were very much a &quot;family&quot; run organization in those days. My own personal opinion was that Grant liked being &quot;buddies&quot; with the newspaper guys. Remember he blamed Dick Young for the Seaver trade. How the hell do you trade a pitcher like Tom seaver based on what Dick Young says??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joey D,</p>
<p>I believe Grant for whatever reason had the ear of mrs. Payson. The Mets were very much a &#8220;family&#8221; run organization in those days. My own personal opinion was that Grant liked being &#8220;buddies&#8221; with the newspaper guys. Remember he blamed Dick Young for the Seaver trade. How the hell do you trade a pitcher like Tom seaver based on what Dick Young says??</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those god-awful teams he assembled in the late 70s and very early 80s.   :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those god-awful teams he assembled in the late 70s and very early 80s.   <img src='http://smhttp.18058.nexcesscdn.net/808D60/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, who&#039;s buried there?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, who&#8217;s buried there?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interestingly enough guys, Don Shaw saved Tom Seaver&#039;s first ever win which took place exactly 45 years ago today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough guys, Don Shaw saved Tom Seaver&#8217;s first ever win which took place exactly 45 years ago today.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jon,

I always thought that after one year as the Mets G.M., Devine simply wanted to go back to St. Louis.  Never thought the screws were being put on him and with Herzog by Grant. 

Can see why Grant wanted not to include Don Shaw in the deal.  Don actually had a good rookie season in 1967 and I don&#039;t know why he was exactly sent down in 1968 - especially if Grant was in his corner.   Selected by Montreal in the 1969 expansion draft, he didn&#039;t fare well north of the border and came back to have one decent season in St. Louis (1971).

But I just can&#039;t see Grant having much influence on player personnel if it didn&#039;t mean having to spend anything more than he had to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>I always thought that after one year as the Mets G.M., Devine simply wanted to go back to St. Louis.  Never thought the screws were being put on him and with Herzog by Grant. </p>
<p>Can see why Grant wanted not to include Don Shaw in the deal.  Don actually had a good rookie season in 1967 and I don&#8217;t know why he was exactly sent down in 1968 &#8211; especially if Grant was in his corner.   Selected by Montreal in the 1969 expansion draft, he didn&#8217;t fare well north of the border and came back to have one decent season in St. Louis (1971).</p>
<p>But I just can&#8217;t see Grant having much influence on player personnel if it didn&#8217;t mean having to spend anything more than he had to.</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just another example of Grant never wanting to spend any money, especially since he thought ball players in general were so far below &#039;his class&#039;.

Grant&#039;s Tomb, indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another example of Grant never wanting to spend any money, especially since he thought ball players in general were so far below &#8216;his class&#8217;.</p>
<p>Grant&#8217;s Tomb, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jon,

WOW!! I had forgotten all about that! Grant also screwed over Whitey Herzog who was the heir apparent after Gil Hodges died. Herzog was offered the job and Grant pulled the offer to give the position to Yogi Berra. How different would Mets history be if Whitey Herzog had become the Mets manager??

If they ever replay the Tom Seaver interview he did a few years ago with SNY (was an hour or so) make sure you watch it. Seaver has never forgiven Grant for what he put him through. Very interesting interview.

Jon, You know your Mets History!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>WOW!! I had forgotten all about that! Grant also screwed over Whitey Herzog who was the heir apparent after Gil Hodges died. Herzog was offered the job and Grant pulled the offer to give the position to Yogi Berra. How different would Mets history be if Whitey Herzog had become the Mets manager??</p>
<p>If they ever replay the Tom Seaver interview he did a few years ago with SNY (was an hour or so) make sure you watch it. Seaver has never forgiven Grant for what he put him through. Very interesting interview.</p>
<p>Jon, You know your Mets History!!</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well it should be pointed out that if not for the DH Tommy Davis would not have the long career being used to compare Agee to.

He probably would have been out of the league much sooner if he had stayed in the NL and had to play the field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it should be pointed out that if not for the DH Tommy Davis would not have the long career being used to compare Agee to.</p>
<p>He probably would have been out of the league much sooner if he had stayed in the NL and had to play the field.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trades From The Distant Past – Tommie Agee&quot;

That sounds like T agee and his second guessing about trades!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
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<p>That sounds like T agee and his second guessing about trades!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Barry,

Great memories.  

I remember when Gibson hit Tommie in the head, he collapsed straight onto his back and just layed there.   But back in 1968 the fans indeed never got down on him at all.  Once, after going through a long hitless streak, Tommie won a game with a pinch hit single not hit hard but up the middle and his being mobbed by his teammates and cheered by the crowd seemed to have an extra bit of happiness to it, as if we were all in unision rooting Tommie on.

As far as being a team player despite all that happened to him that first year, there was also a game in Houston when both dugouts began to clear - Tommie was the first one out and led the charge.

Actually got Billy Cowen to autograph my scorecard in 1965!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barry,</p>
<p>Great memories.  </p>
<p>I remember when Gibson hit Tommie in the head, he collapsed straight onto his back and just layed there.   But back in 1968 the fans indeed never got down on him at all.  Once, after going through a long hitless streak, Tommie won a game with a pinch hit single not hit hard but up the middle and his being mobbed by his teammates and cheered by the crowd seemed to have an extra bit of happiness to it, as if we were all in unision rooting Tommie on.</p>
<p>As far as being a team player despite all that happened to him that first year, there was also a game in Houston when both dugouts began to clear &#8211; Tommie was the first one out and led the charge.</p>
<p>Actually got Billy Cowen to autograph my scorecard in 1965!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nobody knew it at the time but in hindsight this deal represented a critical moment in Mets history. The Agee-Davis trade was completed in principle by then-GM Bing Devine, but with Don Shaw included in the deal. Mets chairman M. Donald Grant for whatever reason was a big Don Shaw fan and held up the deal. 

Devine in the meantime had an offer to become the Cardinals&#039; GM, and amid Grant&#039;s meddling in this deal (and aided by Grant&#039;s reluctance to give him a contract -- Grant felt Devine would work harder if he had to sing for his supper constantly) Devine took the offer. The trade was subsequently amended and completed by Devine&#039;s successor Johnny Murphy, but the Mets lost a brilliant executive mind along the way and never adequately replaced him, while Grant&#039;s influence only grew. Much was forgotten in the glow of the 69 championship (a team largely assembled by Devine) but they&#039;d pay for that over and over again for the next decade.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody knew it at the time but in hindsight this deal represented a critical moment in Mets history. The Agee-Davis trade was completed in principle by then-GM Bing Devine, but with Don Shaw included in the deal. Mets chairman M. Donald Grant for whatever reason was a big Don Shaw fan and held up the deal. </p>
<p>Devine in the meantime had an offer to become the Cardinals&#8217; GM, and amid Grant&#8217;s meddling in this deal (and aided by Grant&#8217;s reluctance to give him a contract &#8212; Grant felt Devine would work harder if he had to sing for his supper constantly) Devine took the offer. The trade was subsequently amended and completed by Devine&#8217;s successor Johnny Murphy, but the Mets lost a brilliant executive mind along the way and never adequately replaced him, while Grant&#8217;s influence only grew. Much was forgotten in the glow of the 69 championship (a team largely assembled by Devine) but they&#8217;d pay for that over and over again for the next decade.</p>
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