26
2012
Terry Collins On Today’s All Homegrown Mets Lineup
An article by Hojo's Mojo
I wanted to update this with a comment Terry Collins made regarding today’s all homegrown lineup:
“Coming from player development,” said Collins, “this really is a great tribute to the scouts that go out there and get no glory except for reading the box scores every day and hoping that someday one of the players they sign is going to play in the big leagues. To see a lineup that’s filled with players drafted, signed and developed by the Mets, I think think it’s a great compliment to the organization.”
All the Mets players in Thursday afternoon’s lineup against Miami are homegrown. According to Elias, it’s the first time this has happened in 41 years, and the fourth time in franchise history.
Below are the other three occurrences:
Sept. 15, 1971 (Game No. 2 of a double-header vs. Cubs): Martinez SS Garrett 3B Milner LF Kranepool 1B Jorgensen CF Singleton RF Dyer C Foli 2B McGraw P – 3-2 loss
Sept. 17, 1971: (at Pittsburgh) Martinez 2B Harrelson SS Jones LF Kranepool 1B Jorgensen CF Singleton RF Dyer C Foli 3B Gentry P - 3-0 win
Sept. 19, 1971: (at Pittsburgh) Martinez 2B Harrelson SS Milner LF Kranepool 1B Singelton RF Dyer C Foli 3B Koosman P - 5-2 win
Pretty cool if you ask me.
Credit the Player Development Department for a job well done.
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Good to see, LETS GO METS…THREE IN A ROW.
“We’ve got em from the babies up..as soon as the kid can talk, they say Metsie Metsie, not Papa, not Mama, Metsie Metsie Metsie.” – Casey Stengel
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LGM!!!
How often do clubs field the starting 9 under the age of 30? That’s just as amazing, IMO.
Omar really let that farm go to waste.
LOL you beat me to that one bay!
all the months and months of t agee posting a million minor league names for every novella he posts about either the past or the future – all the years he spent here praising the latest “flavor of the day” team cuz they’re doing well and how Mets should do things like them… he could not see this happening in April of 2012. Ha!
He either spoke of the past or the future not the present. And looks what happens, lol.
Thats because most of what those people talk about are just stories to back up the agenda and their truth or falseness is not what matters to them!
“Omar left this team a mess with his spending and neglected the Minors!”
Well Today proves otherwise!
This team is niether a mess nor is it broke (notice you don’t hear that whopper anymore!) and the Minor leagues appears to be just fine even without Wheeler and Nimmo!
But if you read some of the posts just 9 months ago and believed it you would get the impression that there was no MiL’s worth playing BUT Wheeler and that we were destined for bankruptcy!
Because those stories fit the agenda and philosophies they wanted to promote not because there was any truth to it at all!
Great eye for talent. If a team wants talent, they’d be smart to ask Minaya to point them in the right direction. The guy couldn’t negotiate a contract if his life depended on it though.
minaya sucked at trades and free agent signings, which is the main job of a gm. scouts sign the farm guys and tell the gm who to draft
minaya could spot talent but he did not have a plan for the team. he always reacted to one thing that was negative from the previous year–whatever that was. And not to be negative, because I like having homegrown guys play, but in 6 years as a GM and 200 draft picks, you would think 15 or 20 of them should play at the major league level. They are only here now because the mets have NO MONEY. It really is not an organizational dream come true. Having said that, let’s see where it goes. These games are fun to watch.
What’s even more impressive about today’s lineup is that those other three all happened after September call-ups. This is a 25 man roster in the early part of a season.
It’s good to see a bunch of guys come up through the system and contribute to the big team.
The first “All Omar Originals Club”.
except for Wright I think. He was inherited from Philips.
Stick, you are absoltuley right. David was actually on the major league roster before Omar was hired.
Guess that means unless David is replaced by Justin Turner, there will never be an OOC starting lineup.
Well if we want to play the semantic game Wright was scouted and drafted when Minaya was still here as Asst GM!
He left for 3 years in 2002 and when he came back Wright was then on the roster!
He was promoted to the MLB in July 2004 and played his first full year in the MLB for Minaya!
It’s just that there are a few here who don’t want to acknowledge Minaya’s role in both Wright and Reyes being Mets
ight was drafted when Minaya was still here…The year before he left for Montreal and he was still the Day to Day Senior Asst GM who most reported to while Phillips was busy banging interns.
well, an assistant doesn’t count for anything. The GM makes every decision on every player.
Well we all know thats a blanket statement that is hardly ever true.
GM makes final decisions in some cases and others he does not.
It really depends on how the baseball organization is structured!
General Manager is just a title not a job!
Some General Managers make zero baseball decisions the president makes them instead.
Some GMs run the business but not the Development…
Lots of different job descriptions can be associated with a title and no single one fit every person who has that title!
you need a new monitor. Yours doesn’t pick up the sarcasm font…
I don’t know about that first line-up, Wayne Garrett, was never developed by the Mets, he was a Brave product. Drafted by the Milwaukee Braves in the first Amateur Draft in 1965, he played four seasons in the Braves system, until he was drafted by the Mets in the December 1968 Rule V Draft. He spent all of 1969 and 1970 on the Mets and didn’t appear in a Mets minor league game until rehabbing at Tidewater in 1971. So how is he a product of the Mets farm system? For his early minor league career, before he debuted for the 1969 Mets, Garrett’s lifetime professional AB’s totaled nearly 1400, and they were all with the Braves organization, not one game with the Mets.
Pete dropping the knowledge!
Actually correct. So we are 2-0 as all Mets team.
Make that 3-0 now
I think this Homegrown is being defined as player who have never played a MLB game for any other team and not so much countenance is made as to who was drafted, developed and where.
It really is all about none of them had played a MLB game for any other team but us.
But your right it’s hard to say we developed them all.
Actually forgot that Omar was the Assistant G.M., so he does deserve partial credit for David Wright as well.
But as Mike Francesa, whom we know is not exactly a Met fan, got it right on the nose when he said Omar took undue criticism for trading away prospects and draft picks because all these young players we now see shows he did not ignore the minor league system nor that it was as bad as the “experts” had rated it. Davis, Murphy, Duda, Gee, Captain Kirk – all drafted between 2006 and 2008 when it was said that Omar was depleting the minor leagues to win it now. None of the above were included in any trade for an older veteran, as neither were Niese and Parnell,l whom we drafted in 2005. Not to mention Harvey, Familia, etc. still on the farm.
So Omar did both – tried to field a competitive team (which he did) while building for the future.
minaya sucked at trades and free agent signings, which is the main job of a gm. scouts sign the farm guys and tell the gm who to draft
Omar took over a club that was 71-91 and within two years came within a called third strike of going to the World Series. To be honest, Sandy took over a team that was much better than that and as we can see in this, his second year, the players he had obtained by and large have done nothing to make the club any better.
In fact, has Sandy done any different than Omar? Look at the age, health status and quality of his roster signings over the past two years while the team “rebuilds”:
Miguel Batista – 41
Tim Byrdak – 38
C.J. Carasco – 34
John Rauch – 33
Andres Torres – 34
Reclamation projects coming off very serious injuries like Chris Young and Chris Capuano (both 32 at the time) and younger players that never worked out like Boyer, Buccholz and Emus.
It has been said that these players were obtained as fill ins as the team was going to rebuild. How is that any different than what Omar did? Other than Beltran, those on the 2006 – 8 roster were not in the team’s long term plans, either. And in 2009 the Mets were still picked by many to go all the way until injuries and the new ball park did them in. They also were in the races in both 2010 and 2011 but one year nothing was done to help fill in the holes and the next year the team was simply broken up.
Thus Sandy and Omar have essentially followed the same path but the only difference is the players Sandy obtained in 2011did little to improve the team while Omar did with the likes of Martinez, Beltran, Delgado, LoDuca, Valentine, Wagner, etc.- for the immediate short term — and under his direction, the organization signed the likes of Niese, Davis, Gee, Duda, Murphy, Captain Kirk, Tejada, Parnell, Harvey and others down on the farm – for the long term.
Bottom line: Omar was able to put together a competitive club immediately (yes, he made horrible mistakes and better movies might have enabled us to go over the top – but the team was nonetheless competitive) and build for the future at the same time while Sandy supporters contest that cannot be done.
you can’t ignore the difference in the financial situation they each faced. Being able to add $40mill in 1 year vs. having to reduce it absolutely impacts what you can do (and of course has to influence the plan of attack)
Stick,
All I am professing was that Omar was thinking of the future just as much as Sandy therefore he should not be perceived as bankrupting the farm system to win at all costs now (that he could have done better after 2006 on the major league level is not at issue). That is an unfair rap. And so is the rap that only Omar went after veteran players on their last legs because Sandy had done the same himself.
Sandy did not have the open checkbook so that is why he has to be given the benefit of the doubt on his off-season signings. But if his resources were not as limited as the front office is now making it appear than even though he could not go after a Cliff Lee type pitcher, couldn’t he have done better than Young, Carasco, Capuano, Boyer, Bucholz and those he got this winter?
Omar had an open checkbook and a 27-year-old Beltran on the market. Somewhat different circumstances.
I’m still amazed how some can’t see the difference between the 2 situations each guy started out with. Totally fkn amazed.
Hi Fonzie,
If anything, Sandy started out with a better situation that Omar did by inheriting a much better team.
While Sandy did not have the financial resources that Omar did, at the same time did not have to go out and spend like his predecessor to immediately improve the team. The team Omar was handed finished at 71-91 and beyond Reyes, Wright and Glavine, there was little else of quality to build on. Zeile and Piazza were on their last legs and the farm system stopped producing (our top prospect was traded in 2004 and the other young players brought up by 2004 all proved to be busts). On the other hand, Sandy had Wright, Reyes and Dickey (in lieu of Glavine) along with Davis, Murphy, Beltran, Pagan, Niese and Krod along with emerging players like Duda, Gee, Parnell and Thole.
Sandy and Omar both went after veteran players to fill holes as both counted on the farm system for long-term success, so Sandy cannot get credit for steering the team in any new direction any more than Omar. Omar’s “fill-ins” were just much better because he had the money. Sandy did not need to spend as much but what he got has been atrocious.
But I think it is now unfair
** “But I think it is now unfair” was something I meant to delete, having touched upon my thought already.
Sorry Fonz.