Comments on: Regarding Ike’s Slump At The Plate

By: I Like Ike, But This Is Ridiculous | The John Delcos New York Mets Report

I Like Ike, But This Is Ridiculous | The John Delcos New York Mets Report — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:37:33 +0000

[...] Last week in this post, our own Drew (72MetsFan) referred to Ike Davis’ tirades at the plate. Another thing that concerns me is Ike’s demeanor at the plate and how he reacts on close pitches that don’t go his way or his emotional displays after every strikeout. When a a Cy-Young type pitcher like Cliff Lee barely misses the outside part of the plate, he’s gonna get that call every time. There’s no use jawing about it to the ump and Davis’ reputation in that regard is growing quickly and will only serve against him. If not Hudgens, than Collins or somebody else needs to have him tone it down up there. [...]

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:19:12 +0000

actually Bayonne part of Ike’s problem is he has too good of an eye and/or he thinks his eye is better than the Umps!

I agree with you in regards that he needs to be more aggressive on pitches close enough to call. He has always had that problem.

And the problem is Hudgens main preaching is to wait for your pitch which wiorks well provided some pitcher is going to give it to you!

Thats not happening with Ike.

They are going to keep on throwing garbage at him until such time as he hits it.
Which tends to suggest you can’t wait for YOUR pitch you have to start hitting what they prefer to give you instead and enough to make them change their preference!

Once he starts hitting those breaking balls they will again start throwing him fastballs that he can wait for!

By: Sach

Sach — Sun, 22 Apr 2012 05:41:13 +0000

I think Ike needs to go back to his older hitting mechanics. I think Ike needs a timing mechanism as part of his stroke. Ike used to hold his hands higher, then drop them down into the hitting zone as part of his load. This will help him stay back better on slower pitches. Also IMO, with this approach Ike had a firmer stroke. Now Ike starts with his hands lower sometimes by his waist, sometimes waggles the bat and now IMO has more of a loosey, goosey long, loopy stroke.

By: sarge69

sarge69 — Sun, 22 Apr 2012 04:03:55 +0000

Might be different players but I have seen Duda going to the left side more so as some have said he needs to work on staying back, easy for me to say, but he seems to be jumping at everything; maybe moving Duda up and Ike behind Bay will help him relax a bit, Duda did hit cleanup for a few games last year his swing seems a bit shorter than Ike’s right now.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:34:45 +0000

It’s not an open statement at all,

Ike already has all of that stuff the goons always talk open – What i’m referring to is a good eye. He has that already so that’s not the issue so this “discipline, recognition” babble otherwise known as a good eye is not the issue.

You know, i really don’t find the need to have to get into specifics every single time. When Bobby O said the league has caught up to Ike I agree with him that is the problem and Ike has to make the adjustments.

When i’m commenting on these threads a lot of it is off the cuff and I’m shooting from the hip because I’m also doing something else at the same time and I’m not about to get into specific, technical reasons for things every……..thing…..i say.

Now if you want to create another thread or maybe at another time i can get into what i’m talking about or what Bobby O is talking about fine. If the problem is Ike getting adjusted to a different type of pitch selection than that’s the issue. Talent is not the issue..and I’m sure having a father who is a successful retired major league pitcher, Ike can talk to him and have give and takes about guessing (if he even does that), staying closed to make adjustments and all of that. I really don’t feel like getting into all of that right now.

Bottom line is I agree with Bobby O’s opinion of the problem – the league has caught up to Ike now Ike has to start the business of catching up with the league again. And I think Ike has the resources in his talent and the people around him to make the adjustment. What to do to make the adjustment? I’m not going to get into all of that right now and it’s not an indication of a lack of baseball acumen either. Okay?

By: Original mets fan

Original mets fan — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:44:08 +0000

Bayonne, saying that he needs to make adjustments is just such a general statement. What adjustments does he need to make? What adjustments is the league making to him? When people say that he needs to have better plate diciine they are being specific to what the problem is. Old school talk was so open, you could come up with 100 different things when you say “adjustments” . He is swinging at bad pitches, (plate dicipline). So dont try to kill they guys when they are being specific about what the problem is and you just wanna make open statements.

By: Bayonne Mets Fan

Bayonne Mets Fan — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:59:28 +0000

This “plate discipline” and “pitch recognition” garbage is just textbook jargon echoed by the saber disciples to give an impression they know what they’re talking about. Complete BS.

Ike Davis already has a “good eye” which is what they are saying but only with the new saber/moneyball vernacular.

About Davis I agree with Bobby O’s assessment in that the League is getting to know him and are making adjustments pitching to him. Ike just has to make the necessary new adjustments himself and he’ll be fine. That’s baseball, that’s original baseball talk and not that text book money ball “pitch recognition” “plate discipline” vernacular that a new army has adapted. Even the ones who never ever stepped on a field themselves now speak like that so u take it from where it comes because nothing makes up for REAL baseball observations.

By: L.J. Phipps

L.J. Phipps — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:54:53 +0000

Ike has a looooooooooong swing, and pitchers are exploiting it with off speed and breaking balls away. Ike has to start looking to hit to leftfield and and shorten that swing a bit. I also think that he should be moved from the clean-up spot. Let him hit 3rd, Wright 4th, Duda 5th, Bay 6th.

By: Brian

Brian — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:06:44 +0000

Bay carry the day? Only in our dreams.

By: Metsie

Metsie — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:02:21 +0000

I would add that last night he was facing one of the tougher LHPs in the game.
I know Zito is the poster boy for Expensive Suck around here but he is still a pretty good pitcher and has showed it this year.

Lefties are hitting .091 against him this year!
When thats what your facing your RHB’s like Bay and Wright have to carry the day!

By: XtreemIcon

XtreemIcon — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:51:25 +0000

Slow start. Not concerned. Sure, he needs to show better plate discipline and pitch recognition, but that’s the name of the game. The book is out on him and he has to show he can adjust to that, but that’s nothing new.