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2012
R.A. Swiftly Handles Marlins, Wright Becomes All-Time Mets RBI Leader in 5-1 Win
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R.A. Dickey was lights out, the Mets offense managed to score some runs late, and #5 David Wright became the Mets all-time leader in RBI’s in their 5-1 win, ensuring a series victory against the Marlins.
Recap
R.A. Dickey came out today and had his best outing of the season, going seven innings allowing one run on three hits, walking one and striking out seven. Dickey’s only run allowed was on a home run to Omar Infante, but outside of that he was spectacular. Not only was R.A. pitching great, but he made a few great defensive plays that helped assure he could hold the lead. The movement on his pitch was great, as was his control.
Jon Rauch came out to pitch the eighth inning, and gave up a single to Jose Reyes, but that was between two outs. Bobby Parnell was brought out to pitch to Hanley Ramirez, and struck him out looking. Tim Byrdak & Manny Acosta split the ninth after the Mets added three runs in the bottom of the eighth. Byrdak gave up a hit to the only batter he faced. Manny Acosta struck out Giancarlo Stanton, gave up an infield single to Omar Infante and then got a double-play to end the game.
The Mets offense saw another pitcher who was dealing today, and they did their best job at scattering five hits off of Buehrle, but none was bigger then the David Wright two-run homer that moved him into sole possession of first place on the Mets all time list. Lucas Duda drove in an insurance run in the eighth with a single that was misplayed by Giancarlo Stanton, and Mike Baxter drove in two more with an opposite field double.
The Mets, despite fielding a primarily lefty lineup got four of their seven hits from the left side of the plate, which shows that they can have success against the guys who throw with the wrong hand. The Marlins had good control, so two walks were earned today, one intentional to Wright and one unintentional to Scott Hairston
Notes
- Ike Davis had an 0-4 performance, dropping his average to .123. If there is any bright spot to this, Ike hit a ball off Buerhle to right-center pretty far in his second to last AB, and smoked a ball to center in his last AB.
- Kirk Nieuwenhuis & Ruben Tejada, batting 1 & 2 – went 1 for 7 with three strikeouts.
- David Wright made his first error of the year, and it wasn’t of the throwing variety.
- Something You Don’t See Every Day: Josh Thole, after catching strike three for the third out of the eighth, went to throw out Jose Reyes who was going on the pitch. The ball sailed into center, but I guess it is better Josh is prepared.
Today’s Hero
R.A. Dickey takes the cake today, with easily his best outing of the season. Only allowing four baserunners in seven innings is great, and striking out seven to boot doesn’t hurt. Honorable mention to David Wright on becoming the Mets RBI leader.
On Deck
The Mets will look to sweep the series on Thursday in a day game, sending Jonathon Niese to the mound as he faces off against the Marlins and their starter, Ricky Nolasco. Game time is 1:10 P.M.
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NL East Standings
| Team | W | L | Pct. | GB |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Braves | 24 | 18 | .571 | - |
| Nationals | 23 | 20 | .535 | 1.5 |
| Phillies | 20 | 23 | .465 | 4.5 |
| Mets | 16 | 24 | .400 | 7.0 |
| Marlins | 11 | 32 | .256 | 13.5 |
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Reyes with the clutch throw to 2nd allowed Wright to hit a clutch HR. Gotta love it
^ from second haha
1st Off Congrats to Mr. Wright on becoming the All Time RBI Franchise Leader.
Now the game and in a word it was “Fast”. Dickey and Buehrle were in the 5th 1 hour into the game. Dickey pitched just great just 7 innings 1 run on a hr. Buehrle I guess you have to say pitched just as good as well. Ike continues to struggle. Hoping a trip out to Colorado helps him out.
Positives has to be Dickey and his performance. The pen once again gives the Mets a solid outing. Props to Rauch on his continued performance. Wright makes up for that strike 3 last night with a huge homerun tonight and Duda makes them pay later for walking Wright to face him. Great game.
Lets get the brooms ready for a sweep 2morrrow. This time since we are at home the Marlins can’t hopefully hide the brooms like the phillies did when we tried to sweep them.
LGM!!!
Congratulations to David Wright our new RBI King! Great win!
Congratulations to David Wright. Was just a matter of time.
Bad pinkie and all, he took advantage of getting that at bat after the throwing error.
Nothing better than a HR to break Straw’s record.
CLUTCH WIN! lol
instigator.
Who me?
Congrats to #5 on passing Darryl Strawberry! You’re now #1 David!!!
Isn’t Mookie going to be pissed about that?
I love all the dumb, stupid comments about clutch whenever Wright gets a hit to drive in a run. Tonight’s HR was not a pressure situation. Not in the least big. It was a big hit to give the team the lead that they eventually won but i would not consider it a high stakes situation when he was AB.
I know people are gonna say well u’ll never give him credit and they’re wrong. I will when it happens. But all these folks all suddenly question the existence of hitting under pressure when he fails to get hits in key moments of the game during the last week and a half or so.
You figure Wright to get his 80-100 RBI and each time he gets a hit these idiots come out making fun of the concept of clutch. Come see me when all is said and done and we’ll see if he’s finally turned a corner or not. Pounding your chest on the emotion of a nice April win is not going to cut it, that’s the behavior of a loser.
Clutch, coming through when it counts the most, rising to the occasion, being your best during the toughest times – those are ALL aspects of life, not just sports and the clowns who come out here after a single game when he gets a nice hit to help the team win – next time u losers make fun of clutch you think about that. And if you have experienced it than u can talk to me but if you have not than u have nothing to say.
Right. Last night was a clutch ab and he failed. Tonights ab was in clutch and he didn’t fail. Typical Wright. Obviously down one with two outs and two strikes in the bottom of the 6th is not a clutch ab where he hit a HR. Bottom of the 8th in a tie game… now that’s clutch.
You didn’t consider it “high stakes when he was AB.” Well, that proves yet again that you have an enormously high propensity to make imbecilic and uninformed baseball comments.
We had scored nothing off of Buehrle, it was late in the game, and there were two outs and one man on. SO what does Wright do? He crushes a HR straightaway. He was in a 1-17 slump, and he whumped the game-winning hit, but there was no pressure on him b/c you say that’s not clutch. I know you’ll grudgingly declare him clutch when he gets the game-winning hit in the ninth with a two-strike count, two outs, the bases loaded, and the Metsies down by three.
Oh, your commentary is laughable. Everyone here knows that you were down on your knees praying for him to whiff. Sad. Sigh, again.
Right, Buerhle pitched a good game but as I was sitting here with the other people in the shoutbox and he came up in the bottom of the 6th i was not feeling and nobody was saying anything like this is a huge spot, that it was the game on the line or any big pressure at the time or anything like that. Sure it was a very big hit that put the team in the lead but the pressure was CERTAINLY not at it’s apex in the bottom of the 6th. There was still plenty of time for that game to take a completely different turn but good for the Mets they held on added a few more runs and won.
YOU learn a little something about baseball for once you moron. Zanca thinks he’s some kind of big baseball participant on all the blogs but your baseball knowledge reflects nothing more than a beer-drinking, grandstand, cheap seat fan possessing nothing more than a morning paper boxscore knowledge of the game and u think that warrants you to be some kind of authority on these blogs, oh and mix it in with some of your mindless one sentence observations too that wasted everybody’s time when the click on the ‘recent comments’ section only to see Zanca with another one/two sentence useless ramble
But you would have been in here on your high horse had he struck out in that same spot right? Good gravy Bayawn, your a dick.
You telling someone they could learn something about baseball is probably the funniest comments you make. “Well over in the shout box we didn’t……………..”
LOSER, the team is struggling to score runs, but because it was Wright and the bottom of the 6th with a very good pitcher on the mound, it didn’t matter, there was PLENTY of time to come back. Yeah because of late that is what this team is know for.
Seriously for someone who makes all his baseball judgment on what he see’s do you actually watch these games?
“We didn’t say it in the shoutbox so it can’t be true”
Shoot, Bayonne, you blew my cover!
But sometimes I buy the expensive seats. Gotta get back to my boxscores.
Hey Z, that guy is the clown prince of MMO. I love this site. I love all the opinions, the posts, whatever. But my favorite part of coming here is the sideshow of Bayonne and Pomes. Two numbnuts who are joined at the hip for all eternity in the Mets blog world.
wins in april cont in the standings just as much as wins in september.
Bayonne, I disagree with your assessment of a “clutch” situation. Is it not just as big to keep your team from getting to a “last chance” situation as it is to come through in a “last chance” situation? Would we not have looked back at that exact moment as the reason for the loss had he struck out looking instead?
One of THE most clutch moments in Mets history – Endy Chavez’s home run-robbing catch in Game 7 – CAME IN THE 6TH INNING.
Was it not clutch of Chavez to make that catch and double play? As a pitcher, is it not clutch to overcome a fielding error that loads the bases (instead of ending the inning) no matter what inning it is? Is it not clutch to hit a first-pitch home run to open a game on the road when your team needed a spark? Is it not clutch to hit a two-run home run with two outs to put your team ahead in a game where your team hasn’t done much against the opposing pitcher?
It’s not about the inning a play happens in or even the situation (necessarily). Clutch is something that you can only look at after the play or even after the game and say “Hey, that hit was clutch” or “that strikeout was clutch”. Chavez’s catch was as clutch as any 8th/9th inning play in MLB history, though no one would have used the word “clutch” (or “unclutch”) in the same sentence with Chavez until the moment AFTER he came down with the ball; it wasn’t a clutch at-bat or a clutch fielding play until it was over, because only then can the situation be properly assessed to the clutch factor.
Wright’s home run Wednesday WAS clutch. Very few actual clutch situations are known ahead of time (is the second AB of the bottom of the 9th really a “clutch” situation, when you know at least one more player will come to bat no matter what happens to you?), and fewer are even known as they are happening (again, during the Chavez catch, no one was thinking about Endy being clutch until AFTER he came down with the ball). When you look back at this game, the biggest play of the night may have been Wright’s home run — and THAT, my friend, is what makes something clutch.
Drew, nobody is saying that his HR wasn’t a big hit last night…..But what we are saying is look at what Wright’s done in the biggest of spots – Like during the collapses of 07 and 08, and during the 06 playoffs. Yeah his numbers were OK, but those numbers don’t tell you when in the game they are hit, those numbers could be counting AB’s during blowouts or when the game is already decided. So, I’m just asking you to take a closer look.
In the final week of 07, Wright grounded into the same amount of double plays, as RBI(3). And one of those RBI came in a blowout(the Mets were already up 8-0), and the other was an RBI ground out – So, during the final week of 07, he only had one meaningful RBI hit. That’s clutch?
If we talk about a player being clutch, I want to see how they do in the biggest of spots – bottom of the 6th down 1-0 in April? I wouldn’t consider that the biggest of spots – We looked at it the other day, during the collapses of Sept, and the playoffs in 06, David Wright only had ONE hit to put the team ahead late, or tie it, or bring them back in it late. Just as a comparison, Evan Longoria had two in the final game of last season – So in dozens of games, Wright has one, but it just one game, Longoria has two.
If he has been clutch in his career, he would have done more (a lot more) than just that one hit.
*So in dozens of games, Wright has one, but in just one game, Longoria has two.
Why is a big hit in April, 2012 suddenly a discussion about September, 2007? I’m not saying he was HUGE for the Mets in 2006 or 2007, I’m saying he had a big hit last night. David Wright WON the game for the Mets last night.
The problem I have with guys like you and Bayonne are that you take a statement like “David Wright came up big for the Mets last night” and go off on some rant about September of 2007. You know what? The Mets lost a LOT in September of 2007. Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, the entire pitching staff (aside from Santana), David Wright, et al were ALL UNCLUTCH during that stretch. NOBODY is exempt (except for Santana) with that stretch. It doesn’t mean that Beltran or Reyes or Wright is forever unclutch, it means that they had a horrific stretch of baseball. Is David Ortiz’s clutch performances in the playoffs for Boston suddenly entirely negated and void because of last season (steroids discussion aside)?
Enough of the anti-Wright agenda and accusing people of a pro-Wright agenda. DW5 plays for the New York Mets. He had a big, game-changing, CLUTCH hit last night. The Mets won the game. Be happy about being over .500 right now THANKS to Wright’s game-winner last night, and let’s move on to looking for the sweep tonight.
What makes you think that I’m not happy about being over .500? I just love to debate.What’s wrong with that?
Like I already told TRS, that if we are going to talk about Wright being clutch, it would make sense to bring up how he’s done in the biggest games he’s played in – That’s why it always comes up.
It would be ridiculous to talk about Wright being clutch, and never talk about the biggest games he’s played in.
It comes across – true or not – that you, Bayonne, etc. are only happy (A) When the Mets win “despite” David Wright, or (B) The Mets lose “because of” David Wright. Again, true or not, the constant debate gives that signal.
2006 is no longer valid. It’s no longer the same Mets team, and the players from that team are no longer the same players. Reyes and Wright are no longer the future of the Mets, Carlos Delgado is no longer a serious threat for opposing pitching, John Maine, Steve Trachsel, Oliver Perez, Tom Glavine, Pedro Martinez and Orlando Hernandez are no longer pitching in MLB (in fact, Mike Pelfrey is the only player to start a game for the ’06 Mets who is still in MLB). In fact, almost NONE of the key players from 2006 are even still active in Major League Baseball (Wright, Reyes, Beltran are the exceptions).
All that that means is that bringing up 2006 for Wright isn’t relevant (neither is 2007-2008). If you’re going back over 5 years for an example of “clutch”, you’ve gone way too far. I don’t care that he hasn’t played in a Playoff game since 2006, it’s irrelevant. If you want to discuss what Wright can do, you have to use his last 3 seasons. Eli Manning was a below-average NFL quarterback at the time of all of your David Wright examples. Daisuke Matsuzaka was considered the top prospect in baseball by Baseball America at the time of your David Wright examples. “Bad Day” was considered the top song of the year AND people weren’t sick of the song “Crank That (Soulja Boy)” at the time of your David Wright examples.
Seriously, just update the examples. If you want to debate, don’t go back to the Bush or Clinton administration for your examples. That’s all. If gas was under $2.75/gallon at the time of your example, you’ve gone too far back into history to prove a “point” that is made completely irrelevant by your ancient “evidence”.
Well, if you have read my past comments you would know that I have said many times that Wright is a good player, and is also one of my favorite players. I feel the same way about Reyes as I do about Wright, and I was devastated for weeks after he signed with the Marlins. I also said that Wright was going to have a big bounce back this year, now with the walls coming in….And I have argued that many times with people here on this blog.
So, anyone who has read my past comments know that I would never root against Wright to fail. Just even suggesting that is ridiculous.
And maybe the examples aren’t recent, but like I keep saying, if you want to talk about a player being clutch, ignoring the biggest games he’s ever played would be ridiculous – Even if they were 4-5 years ago.
Vinny, perhaps lumping you in with Bayonne and Co. was an overstatement on my part. The “4-5 years ago” references would mean 2008-2009, not 2006-2007, and that’s still ancient in baseball terms. Realistically, anything Wright did while the Mets played at Shea Stadium is outdated and irrelevant in a discussion about an active player (other than in talking in terms of Hall of Fame potential and the like). Five years in baseball is the difference between a rookie and a player entering his prime or, in Wright’s case, a player in his second full-season in MLB (2006) compared to being a 28-year-old vet who, by “standards”, should be in the upswing of his prime.
If you were to argue that Wright’s prime actually ended in 2008, then that’s a different discussion and would then make the 2006-2008 “clutch” examples relevant from your end. However, since he’s currently a 29-year-old and I do not believe that he ended his prime at 25 years old, it’s just not relevant to use in a “debate”.
I’m not suggesting Wright is an uber-clutch 3rd baseman. I’m simply saying that he isn’t unclutch and definitely deserves better than to be attacked every time he does something positive because it wasn’t in the correct inning or with the Mets trailing by enough or with the right wind conditions to appease some of those who post comments on this blog.
Well, then we are just going to have to disagree on this one. I don’t see how you can argue about a player being clutch and ignore the biggest games of his career. And how many big games did the Mets play in from 09-11? Not many. So I don’t see how we can make any judgement on Wright by only looking at 09-11 because the Mets did not play in many big games those years.
And if your annoyed that this topic keeps coming up, don’t get made at me! Get mad at that people who instigate, and keep bringing this up – Look at the 1st comment on this thread.
Vinny, i will say this, all year in 2008 wright got a pass for hitting like 230 with RISP because in prior years the kid was as clutch as they come, but imo, He started getting the unclutch rap when he struck out and mets lose that famous game sept 24th 2008… Not only he failed miserably, but instead of man up and take the blame, he said the pitcher made a great 3-2 pitch on a ball 6 feet off the plate… That’s what botther me the most about his unclutchness, the ability to make up an excuse instead of owning it up like a man he tried to take the easy way out.. His legion of fans will never accept this kid for what he is, somehow he’s a legend amongst mets fans.. Mattingly 2.0…
Vinny, I did direct it at Bayonne, I only responded to your response to me. Bayonne still hasn’t responded to my comment. I’m also not “mad at you”, I’m just debating.
You can talk about the biggest games of his career, it’s not about ignoring one instance or focusing on only one; it should be looked at as an inverted pyramid. What have you done for me lately at the top, last year below that, two years ago before that, and so on. Any “clutch” performances Wright had pre-2008 are less relevant than any “unclutch” performances he’s had since. But a home run on Wednesday – “importance” of the game aside – trumps a strike out in 2008. Just like a key strike out on Saturday would trump a home run on Wednesday.
It’s not about focusing in on just one thing, either: it’s about looking at the whole picture. Wright’s had definite times of clutch performances, and he’s also had times of unclutch performances. If he was clutch for us on Wednesday, why should a strikeout two weeks ago (random non-specific-or-even-necessarily-existant example) somehow be more relevant to deciding if Wright is “clutch” or not?
All I’m saying is this: If Wright comes through for the Mets, enjoy it, even if it’s a “rare” moment of clutch for DW5 (if you feel that way). If Wright K’s in a big spot, groan. There’s just no reason for the response (not necessarily from you) to be “Sure he homered today, but it was in the SIXTH inning…he’s still the most unclutch player in the history of history” when the Mets win off of his bat.
So again, a player on the O’s will never have the chance to be clutch. Must suck to be them.
Well, then we would look at how they did in the biggest spots they have played in.
But this is just a “gotcha” question, and doesn’t prove anything about Wright(these guys like to do that when they can’t argue any of my points). Wright has played in two tight playoff races, and two playoff series, so if we are talking about about him being clutch, it would make sense to look at the biggest games he’s ever played in(which is exactly what I’ve been doing).
Again that just goes to your definition of clutch which is not supported by most people. Otherwise then we can’t have the clutch debate about any of his AB’s currently and it would be pointless of us to discuss his clutch ability until they are in the race in September again.
I also like how you guys like to pretend that your argument is so strong, it’s really not.
The numbers you use to prove Wright is clutch(his numbers in Sept), could guess what? Come in blowouts. When your counting his AB’s in Sept, you could be counting AB’s when the games is already decided – So how does that prove anything? It doesn’t.
And the leverage stats? They don’t tell you the difference between a series late in the season against the Phillies, and a early season series against Pittsburgh. And it COULD also count a 1st inning HR, the same as a walkoff HR to put your team in the postseason – So what do they prove? Nothing.
All the numbers you say “prove” Wright is clutch, have very serious flaws with them. Your argument isn’t strong at all.
Vinny pay attention, I have never tried to prove Wright IS clutch. I have tried to prove that he isn’t un-clutch… there is a difference and if you don’t see it then there really is no reason debating.
Wow – I’ve never seen so much hate for a guy on a team that you supposedly support.
Down by a run, 2 outs in the bottom of the 6th, but because it was WRIGHT it was not clutch.
You and your buddy Alex really need to join a support group or change your medications.
You realize the previous 3 games the team had scored a combined 5 runs, right? That the offense has almost entirely been on him? You think that isn’t pressure?
Too bad Wright couldn’t find a way to get it done when it mattered. Maybe we woulda won this game. Oh, wait…
Btw, nobody commented that Wrights home run would not have been out last year and probably caught and we could have lost game.At least management got one thing correct this year.That ball was crushed but would have stayed in the park last year.
Just to pick up the discussion from yesterday. Wright’s 6th inning home run shifted the expected win percentage from 33% to 72%. So basically the game was completely reversed on one swing with 2 outs and 2 strikes. Yup, not clutch. By the way the 2nd highest percentage hit for the Mets was Duda’s hit in the bottom of the 8th to give the Mets a 3-1 lead. The difference there was a 7% difference.
This.
But let’s not have facts get in the way of a good rant by the ‘Wright is not Clutch’ brigade.
TRS, to add to that, Wright’s come through in six of his seven highest leveraged PAs this season.
I saw that. I am guessing the other night was the first one that he didn’t this season. Not to hard to guess considering the start he has had for most of the season.
Right. The Mujica K was a big spot and he blew it.
Agreed and I said as much at the time which is something the clutchers never pay attention to. When they fail we still get on them, it’s just we don’t say they suck or need to be kicked off the team as a result. I think most of us that are rational also realize that the best players are going to fail in those spots 7/10 times and the worst 8/10 times. Most players will fall in between and year to year the sample size is so small and doesn’t factor in who was pitching, where or how hard the ball was hit… etc. If a player hits a ball over the wall with runners on 2nd and 3rd but the OF reaches over and catches it, it’s still an out… poor guy is unclutch. If the guy hits a come backer to the mound that is misplayed but not an error… clutch.
You’re right about sample size. When sample size is large enough not to skew the results, you’ll find that everyone’s stats are the same from situation to situation. Wright’s a .300 hitter, so he’ll be a .300 hitter in every situation, so long as sample size doesn’t skew the results, like when he only gets 175 PAs a season in a certain spot. Like RISP, for example. Wright hit .365 with RISP in 2006. He would obviously have to suffer through a season to normalize it, right? Well, he hit .310 with RISP in 2007, then came the blow, .243 in 2008. Back up to .309 in 2009. Point is, he’s a .301 career hitter and he’s hitting .291 career with RISP. Look for him to hit .320-.330 either this year or next (or both) in that spot, so it’ll even out more towards .300. And the same can be said for any situation anyone can come up with.
Agreed. As I have always said Jordan didn’t hit all the game winning shots because he was clutch. He hit all those game winning shots because he was great.
I thought the Core ™ would enjoy this:
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/26/coutinho-mets-wright-proving-hes-the-face-of-the-franchise/
You know.. what really gets to me is that the people keep saying wright is clutch, but as soon as he comes trough you the barrage of comments about how clutch he is… Either way, congrats to wright on being the mest all time leader in RBI.. Good win last night, pitching was magnificent, Parnell with a huge strike out, great game overall.. Let’s go for the sweep today weather permitted..
I don’t think you will find me saying that Wright is “clutch”. I am just go around saying he isn’t “unclutch”. LOL. He’s gonna have some clutch hits and fail in some clutch spots. In fact I will bet anything that he fails in more clutch momments that he succeeds. How do I know that? Who is the last player to hit over .500 in High Leverage situations for an extended period? It’s just not going to happen. Wright is a good player, good players succeed in 2.8-3.3/10 times regardless of pressure or no pressure. That’s what makes them good.
Ok….I am not getting into this today.. You by now should know my belive on how he is under pressure so… Let’s move on, enjoy the victory and hope we sweep them today.. congrats to him on being the all time leader in RBI.
I know what you are saying Alex and I agree he does not exceed his ability in pressure spots. However, what do you think his BA would be in all of his pressure spots for his entire career? I am just curious. If we could ever define what pressure spots were do you think his BA would be significantly less than his career averages?
In over 1000 PA in “high leverage” situations he hits :.315 .387 .526 .913 . That’s pretty much his career numbers so he isn’t “clutch” meaning that he doesn’t exceed his ability in that situation but he isn’t necessarily “unclutch” either.
You should know my stand on him.. I have said many times, the man was money in pressure situations because he used the whole field.. Also, teams rather faced him than beltran or delgado.. He would go to right field with 2 strikes, i thought this kid was a dead on superstar and had him pegged to be the NL MVP in 2007 had the mets made the playoffs, but all of that has been overlooked just because i said he’s unclutch as hell… Since 2008, the man changed his approach, was terrible in big game situations and stop being the guy he was in prior years… He had good numbers, but numbers my friend, can be deceiving you should know this…
I agree that he was impacted by the collapse of 2007 and felt pressure down the stretch in 2008 to perform. I think they all did to an extent. That entire 2008 team walked around waiting for the other shoe to drop and I think Wright viewed it as on him to change that. That is why in your famous AB he did what many of you want our players to do now. Guy on base the pitcher is clearly pitching around you so instead of just waiting on your pitch and not swinging at junk just because you have an RBI chance, he swung at pitches out of the zone trying to make something happen.
Has he been the same since that AB? I think not either. However, I am not sure if it is just that AB that caused the damage. A fastball to the head, crazy fences, and a broken back have to be factored in. To me this year is the telling year.
TRS, just to clarify something, he hit 243 all year!! and that got up to be that high because he did a little better in september, so he was around 235.. He had 124 RBI’s but had he hit his career avg with RISP he would’ve had easily140+ RBI’s for the season… he had the most opportunity in the MAJORS to drive in run, he lead the league in Sac Fly because of the many opportunities he had with men on 3rd with less than 2 outs, the man could’ve been MVP had he come trough more.. Ever since, he just changed completely.. and you know it!
Alex thing is you want to use RISP as your argument against his clutch ability but then say a 2 run HR in the 2nd inning up 8 isn’t clutch. Which is it?
Also you are using his RISP in 2008 as a way to prove his unclutchness but refuse to acknowledge that the following year he hit “.309 .380 .447 .827 ” with RISP.
What I find amusing is the clutch vs. unclutch argument is almost entirely subjective, which is why we all keep going round and round on this discussion.
I think if this site banned any post with ‘clutch’ in it, it would take a serious hit in the tally of responses.
Agreed, just ask Metsblog.
the word CLUTCH or UNCLUTCH is a baseball term and should not be banned… That word was consider offensive in metsblog in 2009.. Ask around
I just said that above.
However, I think considering the last few days here it’s easy to see why Matt would ban the word and it has nothing to do with toeing the company line or protecting his hero Wright. It has to do with the fact that people like us were discussing clutch everyday and it never ended well and took away from the orignial intent of the article. Which also represents why we were banned to start with
Right… He couldn’t stand his hero being called out.. THAT IS why we were banned, you, most likely for being an as*****
Come on Alex, face the facts. Matt has now been very clear why all of us were banned. It had nothing to do with protecting Wright and everything to do with protecting his interest. He made a business decision that I still don’t agree with but instead of fixing the problem he created the problem.
His problem was that people like us spent all day “ruining” his post by having the same discussion everyday that lead to the same thing, someone losing their temper and throwing out middle school insults that he did not believe represented his blog well. Thus instead of bringing in a moderator like MLBTR he just closed the comment section all together. When that backfired and he had to reopen the comment section, you and I and the rest of the “trouble makers” were all banned.
If you don’t get it that it was never about your opinion as to why you were banned then you will never get it. I see it now in retrospect and admit that I like you were part of his perceived “problem”. It took me a while to see it, perhaps you will one day as well. Hopefully the same doesn’t happen here.
I think the reason why this is the best blog is that because wether we like it or not, all bases are cover here.. From real baseball, objective baseball, sabermetric baseball, bias as hell baseball, there are so many different articles written by good and not so good people.. But it gives fan of all type of system to come in and chat about it… I don’t like jesseP’s article, but others do.. In MB is more like cerrone slurps on the mets and if you don’t like it then you’re banned.. He is not about to lose those 15 seconds on air for anyone of us for bashing the mets organization…
While I agree his site has become more cooperate and I rarely go there anymore, I stand by my original comment that our banning had nothing to with our opinions but what he viewed as something that was a determent to his site. Don’t you find it convenient that YOU were banned for your views but I was banned for being an ass? LOL. How about some of our other loyal commenters from both here and the desert? You think that the ones in the “Core”(tm) were banned for their opinions but all of the “sunshiners” were banned for being asses? Do you honestly think that is true?
The desert…..lol.
You know I never did figure out if I was banned or not. Once he closed the comment section, then opened it back up, you had to ‘audition’ for the privilege of posting there for a good long while. I refused to even apply for that ‘privilege’.
IMO, all of that could have been avoided with a moderator. Won’t ever happen in his world though. I recently watched a video he put up from ST – something like a-day-in-the-life type thing. In it, he describes himself as ‘a bit of a control freak’. I’m thinking to myself ‘a bit’???
Thing is I hope things here don’t fall down the road of what has happen at MLBTR. They have had to change their commenting policy and go into full protection mode because of the same childish middle school banter back and forth.
Thing is, you almost have to have a moderator if you’ve got a big enough site with many posts.
It’s the anonymous internet. Some people just can’t help themselves.
I tried the audition, be he saw right through my trolling LOL. You can comment if you really want now, he took the restriction off last year. The only time I do is to bust him on his usual poor grammar and bad copy and paste issues.
‘The only time I do is to bust him on his usual poor grammar and bad copy and paste issues.’
You must be posting over there quite a bit then.
Thankfully I only go there once a week. Last week he had the Mets playing the wrong team when he put up the lineup post. I get he wants the information up there as quick as possible, and he wins that battle but what is the benefit of being that quick when often times it looks sloppy. Taking 2 seconds to run a spell check would do wonders but he has admitted that he has no desire to do this.
The comment section at MB was a completely separate entity to the mission of his blog. We took what was a area to discuss his opinions and used it as our own personal chat room.
He was right it doing so and now the site is the way he wants it. Sterile, bland, uncontroversial… Its a great place to get the breaking news but his and his staffs opinions have as much depth as a kiddie pool. But that is how he wants it and we all are better for it because it allowed one group to create a great blog and it allowed other blogs like this one to really flourish.
TRS86, he was a Ducshhe.. To be honest, i was banned once, went back, found this site and saw some potential, i remember the first person i deal with was METSFAN62, i figured to give this site a shot and haven’t looked back since.. Posted a few more times in MB but once cerrone was banning people and moderating everything i wanted no part of that.. Plus, most of the good people had left so.. and yes TRS86, you were an as***** .. Many people consider you to be the worst guy in MB.. and you know this..
LMAO @SRT
Alex if I was the worst then wouldn’t you be consider the spawn of Satan? LOL.
OMG LOL Sorry Alex, but trs had me rolling with the spawn of satan comeback!
;-D Spawn of satan?? Clever… The CORE was born because i took courage against wright…
Yeah, you are right. You were against Wright. I thought you said you liked him
Now back to why the Core was born. Isn’t it true that the only qualification for being in the Core(tm) is to agree with you in most circumstances?
First of all, i like wright, i meant to criticize the godsend one, noone would even dare to say he had a flawed on his game.. Everything was delgado’s, beltran’s reyes’, minaya’s, or willie’s fault.. never the Godsend one.. So i took it upon myself to say he’s struggling with RISP and all hell broke loose…
And trust me, Many people i disagree with, Maniac a bunch of times, bayonne, Metsie, hell, MNJ and he’s my boy… You just mad cuz the CORE don’t go to the desert for vacation!
Alex – I was being facetious there. Wasn’t actually advocating the banning.
Alex, I commend you taking the high road.Whether you like him or not, it was an accomplishment by DW.I will say this, from a business standpoint, they need to extend him.I was at game and there is no buzz in that ballpark.The announced crowd was 20,000.No way, was there more than 12 to 13000 in the place .I went to the caesars club to eat before the game and there were more hotdogs on the grill than patrons in the club.If they get rid of Wright, the place will be a ghost town.I want the Wilponzis out but not at the expense of losing our good player that we have left.
Gary, Let me make this clear to you and others.. I like wright, i think he’s a good player.. I just don’t think he’s a guy who you feel confident with the game on the line… Therefore, his legion of fans think i hate the guy.. I don’t.. You think i sit on my couch rooting for him to fail everytime i watch the guy?? You think i was hoping HanRam hit a HR against parnell last night? I’ve been a met fan longer than a lot of people in here, i’ve seen the lowwwwwwwwwws, and the few highs… I have liked many players throughout my career, that doesn’t mean i will root for them to succeed against my NY METS..
Alex, if you “liked” David Wright you would not make it your mission to prove to us how “unclutch” he is and run to bring him down every chance you get.
We know where your issue with Wright comes from and you have said as much yourself. You feel like fans did not give Reyes enough credit and did not blame Wright enough. Reyes was your hero and the fact that Wright was the face of the franchise instead of Reyes was like spitting in your face. Then coming on to various blogs and seeing people on a Mets blog praise Wright on top of the media attention he got because he actually was available to the media…you developed this complex that you have today. So basically you developed your opinion on one of the best players in Mets history based on jealousy.
Alex, if you “liked” David Wright you would not make it your mission to prove to us how “unclutch” he is and run to bring him down every chance you get”
Prove to you???? he proves it himself… If most of you didn’t believe he is unclutch then why run to MMO after a solo HR and post a bunch of comments about how “clutch” he is? again, i can care less about face of the franchise, i loved what reyes brought to the table but we moved on from that,we’re a middle of the road team at best, so if your favorite player is pegged as the face of the franchise, ask yourself this: what has YOUR face of the franchise won the FRANCHISE you root for?? Does he make this team a playoff contender? NO. Does he make us division contenders? NO. Does he make us a 500 team? MAYBE.. Likely NO.. So yeah, go celebrate that wright is finally the face of a franchise who most likely will finish in last place…
Finally the face of the franchise? Alex he has been the face of the franchise for years now. When Reyes was here he was the face of the franchise, when Beltran was here Wright was the face of the franchise. He has been that since 2007/2008 and that is what pissed you off the most.
Also, again most of us don’t run here saying he is “clutch” with any other purpose but to laugh at those who campaign that he is a dog in pressure situations. Example your buddy Bay, he can’t even admit last night’s home run would be considered clutch.
I stand by my statement that Wright is neither clutch or unclutch. It’s not black and white. He is a very good player who hits about his average in high leverage and other “clutch” measures over his career.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With beltran, Delgado and reyes aboard he was the face of the franchise?!?!?! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alex it’s not my fault that was true. I did not run around championing him and telling beat reporters, other players like Chipper, the fans, the media or SportsCenter that he was the face of the franchise. He just was. I think a lot of it had to do with how available he was to the media. The media loves that smile I guess.
You can get pissed about it and say how it wasn’t true. I can’t help that but it was always Wright 1, Reyes 2 and that is what pissed you off and forced you into the complex you have today. You have admitted as much in previous post.
1) Who was supposed to be covering 2nd when Thole threw to the outfield?
2) So…these are the Marlins who are gonna win the WS? LOL what a joke.
Murphy according to the booth.
Yeah, Marlins could be a ticking time bomb if they don’t start playing better soon.
EVEN Flow, just giving you some S-TFU stats about WS champions ok:
2011 St Louis Cardinals started 4-7.. WS Champs
2010 SF Giants 8-7.. WS Champs
2009 NY Yankees 9-10… WS Champs
2008 Philadelphia Phillies 8-10… WS Champs
2007 Boston Red Sox 4-5… WS Champs
2006 St Louis Cardinals 5-5… WS Champs
See where i am going with that??? It’s too early to tell.. Hell, some people in this very site had the ATLANTA BRAVES pegged to be WS champs and projected to be a 95 win team and they folded and choked…
Poor guy comes and post an opinion and then gets told to STFU. LOL. I know you are not actually a Marlins fan but isn’t it OK on a Mets blog if a poster comes in and says the Marlins suck and won’t make the playoffs?
LMAO I knew you couldn’t resist. Oh yeah, those stats are really proving me wrong. NOT! Their bullpen is nothing special and I see them imploding more times over quite like how they did in the first game as the season progresses.
Once again….
2012 Marlins= Philadelphia Eagles of MLB.
Whoops, it appears you can’t tell a reader to “ST-FU”. Go figure.
Poor guy comes and post an opinion and then gets told to S-TFU. LOL. I know you are not actually a Marlins fan but isn’t it OK on a Mets blog if a poster comes in and says the Marlins suck and won’t make the playoffs?
TRS86, i will ask you a question… Can you go and check all the title contenders’ records? Please tell me which one of them are 18-0?
Angels 6-12
Detroit 10-8
Yankees 10-8
Boston 8-10
Phillies 9-10
Marlins 7-10
Funny thing is, all those teams still got 140+ games to go… And i am a mets fans, but i am realist also, All those teams will finish with better record than the mets… There.. Back at you, let’s see what else you got to say..