No Health Issue With Johan

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• tampametsfan April 18, 2012 at 10:23 am

  Santana should have been left in there for 30 more pitchs. Its early in the season but the bullpen shouldn’t be expected to pitch an entire game. It also doesn’t help Santana to baby him at this point. If he can’t pitch 80 to 100 pitchs he is useless. His control NEEDS to improve. He can’t pitch above 90 anymore so he needs that control he was once famous for. Who knows if he can ever regain it. Santana is really a #4 or 5 starter now. An overpaid one. Plus I don’t buy the “no health issues” line. The Mets are liars about injuries. They have been for at least a decade.
  • srt April 18, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Pretty sure all FOs temper what they say concerning injuries. You should read what the Philly fans are yammering about concerning what they’re being told about Howard and Utley.

    I hear you about the BP. I wasn’t excited to see Batista in there, especially in the second inning even though we were down 6 runs at that point. Problem was, another 30 pitches from Johan – who clearly didn’t have it – might have still been in the second several more runs down.
    • Metsie April 18, 2012 at 10:51 am

      I think the real problem was you could see Santana getting frustrated and trying to dial it up and the biggest worry with that is that it could cause a re-injury.

      It was smart to pull him when Terry did!
      Sure it might affect the bullpen for a turn around the rotation but not as much as if Santana re-injured that shoulder and we had to promote some kid that isn’t ready yet.
      • tampametsfan April 18, 2012 at 1:31 pm

        It might not be the worst thing to see some younng pitcher out there instead of Santana. Younger guys might suck but we wouldn’t expect much from them. Santana looks like Pedro did after his injuries, kinda crappy. If he can recover fine but (just like Pedro) he looks lost on the mound. It doesn’t help that he looked pissed at Thole. Thole is young but he has seen more baseball the last few years than Santana. I hope Collins sits them down and says “work together and stop your antics”.
        • Metsie April 18, 2012 at 3:24 pm

          f he continues o have games like that you consider it but he was fine in his other starts and could just be a product of being tired or unfocused that day. Everyone has a bad day now and then.

          I also note that he did have some thoughts about being back on the mound where his injury had occured. So maybe he was not thinking about the right things and distracted…

          They seem to be hitting Dickey just as badly so maybe we should just give the Braves their Hitting Due!
          • tampametsfan April 19, 2012 at 2:15 pm

            Difference with Dickey was weather and knucleballer related. Knuckleballers either have it completely suck. The Braves did smack the crap out of all the Mets pitching though.
            • Metsie April 19, 2012 at 2:30 pm

              Yes Rain is not conducive to a good knuckleball I give you that!
              It needs some good breeze to make it dance and rain just drives the ball into the direction of the rain that falls making it’s trajectory much more predictable!

              But you still have to credit the Braves for hitting it.

              We got too comfortable with our early victories against the Braves…
              They are not as bad a team as they showed that first series. They got their bats going after that and they merely continued that progression. (I think Chipper may have helped he was out wasn’t he in our first meeting?)

              In anycase two weeks in is too early to say where this team is going.
              Nothing to worry about and nothing to get too overly excited!
              It’s a long season!
  • trs86 April 18, 2012 at 11:52 am

    I was just clear that his rhythm was off though and the only thing you would get out of leaving them in there is either bad habits or injury. He was taking forever inbetween pitches, he just never got into any groove at all. Did we expect him to come back right away and be the Santana of old?
• Gary S. April 18, 2012 at 11:47 am

  He has to transition to a finesse pitcher and learn to pitch to contact.