17
2012
Mets Plan A Video Tribute For Reyes’ Return To Citi
An article by Craig Lerner
This – from the Daily News:
According to a team source, the Mets will acknowledge Reyes’ nine years in New York with a video tribute on April 24, before the shortstop’s Citi Field unveiling as a Miami Marlin. That game opens a three-game series.
Reyes, who won the first batting title in club history last season, agreed in December with the Marlins on a six-year, $106 million contract.
Good move if you ask me. Jose undoubtedly earned this day in the sun. It’s a nice gesture by the Mets, but I’m curious to see what kind of reception he’ll get from the fans in attendance that day.
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Good job by the mets, terrible job by the front office.. I will stand up and cheer.. Loudly. Then ROOT for the NEW YORK METS…
I agree great job by the Mets, terrible job by the front office for recognizing someone who cashed in. Where is the tribute to Mike Hampton? LOL.
Just ridding you a little this morning
Just curious….how many other teams have done something like this when a FA walks?
I’ll be interesting to see what kind of reception this gets from the Met fans. If they do it right, should be good. Might be the cynic in me, but I can’t help but think some brain in the FO is doing this to offset they way this all went down and attempting to diffuse the loud boos they might be expecting b/c Jose is no longer a Met.
He took himself out of game 162, he knew it may be his last game as did the fans. He made the choice to get a batting title (not even running the bases).
I cheered for him when he was in a Mets uniform enough. I won’t be cheering for him at all the next time he comes to Citi Field.
Nothing makes me happier than seeing Miami Marlin Jose Reyes starting the year 10 for 42.
David wright walks to first base on ground ball, yet i don’t see you COMPLAINING, but no, is jose reyes, therfore i knew you were gonna be harping the same tree, whether you like it or not, THE FIRST MET TO EVER WIN A BATTING TITLE, mets leader in triples, SB and could’ve broken many more had the front office even made an effort…
Alex:
First, I don’t know how to put this more clear to you. David Wright is a NY Met. Jose Reyes is on a division rival. I support the NY Mets. If Wright leaves in 2 years, I won’t be talking about anything good about David Wright and I’ll boo him just as I would Reyes.
Secondly, Reyes took himself out of the game PRIOR to running the bases. Meaning, he had a pinch runner come in! Proving he wasn’t interested in playing the game in front of his hometown fans but merely interested in being safe at 1st to lock up a batting title, which would then make him more $.
And don’t talk to me about club records. When Reyes was here, I appreciated him. Wright has and will have club records, but you hate him. So don’t use 1 argument to support a guy when you ignore the same facts for another.
Jose Reyes in game 162 bunted for a base hit, and took himself out of the game even before he had to run the bases. He then signed with a division rival whom I believe he wanted to play for. I believe he wanted to play with Hanley, and was attracted to Miami. I don’t think he just happened to sign there. This isn’t Jayson Werth in Washington. Reyes knew what he wanted.
I cheered for him in every Met game he played. I don’t owe him anything. He’s not a Met, therefore I will not cheer him on and I will enjoy every second of his failures
I fully believe that the plan to bolt to Miami was planned well in advance. Just like the last exodus to South Beach.
Agreed, Jose would have just used the Mets for leverage and they did not allow that to happen. I don’t know why people can’t read between the lines to see he was never coming back.
He was never coming back, but I read that in the actions of the front office not Reyes. The best offer usually gets the prize, I dont blame the player for that. How do you think we got Beltran, Pedro, and unfortunately Bay? I read between the lines and saw a front office that now admittedly had no real interest in bringing Reyes back. Alderson damn near gave a full confession to those facts last week on Joe and Evan.
I think they would have been fine with him coming back under their terms but I think they were also aware that he would not come back under those terms. So in other words does that mean we agree here?
I understand the premise going into last season and saying that Reyes is not a part of the long term solution. Lots of injuries and it always took a bunch of playing time to get back into form. Whether it was physical or mental, Reyes was always different the first month of coming back after a injury.
But then he went on a tear and put the office in a situation where they almost had no choice but to re-sign him. As soon as that hammy pulled again, the FO wen back to saying nope, not worth 100m.
He knew he was going to Miami the second that stadium was scheduled to open and he knew he can get his money from Loria because of it. He hadn’t even seen a pitch yet in 2011 and he couldn’t stop telling everyone who would listen how he was excited to test hte market and wouldn’t sign for less than $100 mil. All this while the owner of the franchise he supposedly loved was locked up in court with potential financial ramifications.
100% agree with this.
He says he doesn’t miss playing in NY. Doesn’t sound like someone who had his heart set on remaining a NY Met.
He better like playing in NY… once Jeter retires, and if Jose is healthy he will be a Yankee. There is a reason why Jose’s contract is back loaded and he did not get a ‘no trade’ clause in his contract.
Loria is doing a ‘pump and dump’. He basically traded a failing Montreal team for the Marlins, got Miami to build a new stadium (the ‘how’ is currently under federal investigation), signed a bunch of players to back-loaded contracts. He’s hoping the Marlins have a decent year then will sell the team and cash out. OPM (other people’s money)
No argument on this from me, Rich.
Not getting into you guys trivial battle here but I will admit the use of records as an advantage for Reyes and not to acknowledge how much better Wright has been offensively over that span than Reyes has and how many records he holds is foolish. Again, both great players, both will be remembered as being 2 of the best position players the Mets have developed and for now both remembered for not getting it done in 2006-2011.
You know what bothers me, jose reyes took himself out to preserv a lead on the batting title after going 7-11 the last 4 games to overjump ryan braun. and while BEING A MET, you openly ROOTED FOR RYAN BRAUN to overtake reyes for the batting title, yet now you come with this BULLSH** about rooting for wright because he’s a met, use your own advices for yourself you PO-S… You’re the biggest hypocrite there is and i love to expose you for what you are…
First off Alex, you’re making that up that I rooted for Braun. I like Braun as a player (tho this fall certainly may have changed that a bit), but you took that as I wish him success over Reyes. That’s your assumption, I cannot do anything about that.
Secondly, answer me this question okay?
If Jose Reyes took himself out of the game to preserve the batting title, why didn’t he run the bases in the 1st inning? Why have a pinch runner come in? Why not play the game until your next AB? There was literally NOTHING that could have happened to impact his batting title until his next AB, so why the need to come out?
who actually does any work on their last day at a job? You go in to get credit for the day, clean out your desk, say goodbye to people and book out early.
Reyes really did flip a giant bird to the fans that he supposedly loved. What about anyone that couldn’t make their seat by the first inning?
and after the first hit, there was little chance of Braun catching him, even if he did make an out in his 2nd AB.
but not even running the bases or taking the field? Absolute bush league, pure pro athlete oblivious selfishness. He had had the balls to whine about feeling “disrespected?” Bull crap.
I am going to give him a pass on not running the bases. I think at that point he figured why get injured going into my big money year. Or maybe even the Mets were giving him the opportunity to leave on top or to fans cheering and it just backfired?
Good point.
I’ll never understand TC allowing that. I had no problem with the bunt for a hit. Good for him.
He could have played though until his next at bat, even if it was the last game of the season. We all now most of the regulars are lifted in the middle innings on that last day – unless you’re still fighting for a playoff spot.
Still waiting for an answer Alex
“If Jose Reyes took himself out of the game to preserve the batting title, why didn’t he run the bases in the 1st inning? Why have a pinch runner come in? Why not play the game until your next AB? There was literally NOTHING that could have happened to impact his batting title until his next AB, so why the need to come out?”
Why did you have to bring up Wright? Why are you bashing a Mets player is favor of a Merlin?
His entire stance on Wright is based on what he perceives is a lack of love for his hero.
As much as I wanted him to stay a NY Met, the reality is he’s gone. Now a member of the Marlins.
I love baseball but I’m a Met fan. Only root for the NY Mets.
Hope Jose has a long and successful career but may he go 0 for 4 every time we play the Marlins.
Just curious….how many other teams have done something like this when a FA walks?
Yeah, that was his choice, didn’t YOU HEAR your lord sandy admitting he didn’t even make an OFFER!!!!???
Agree with you on the rest, they didn’t have enough money to sign him but they had enough to do a video tribute of one of the best players in franchise history…
lord sandy = loss of discussion
The Mets not making a formal offer doesn’t matter. Conversations happen leading up to that. Do you think Reyes’ agent told the Mets at any point what he would need to sign with the Mets?
If you say no, then you are suggesting Reyes’ agent didn’t do his job.
If you say yes, then why the need for an offer? If Reyes’ agent demands exceeded what the Mets were willing to offer then who cares if they made an offer or not?
and the agent even admitted they knew what the Mets parameters were. so formal offer or not, both side knew where the other stood.
Sandy certainly would have been happy to resign Jose if they could have gotten him for what they were willing/able to pay. Obviously the agent scoffed at that, and just used the Mets as whatever leverage he could to get Miami to up their initial offer (so Jose could go to the place he really wanted to be).
and please, no more crap about him being hurt, or wanting to stay in NY. He pretty clearly flipped the bird that the Mets and the fans were irrelevent to him.
You’re right. HoJo reported the other day that the Mets would have been willing to negotiate a 3-4 year deal with several vesting options, but that didn’t interest Reyes. He wanted his cash, and he got it. Good for him. It doesn’t matter, anyway. In two years Sandy will trade for him back for a couple of AA players while Loria picks up half the remaining contract.
I think Jose will wind up back in NY but more likely as a Yankee than a Met.
Yankees would be licking their jobs to have him as the heir apparent to Jeter.
Sure and don’t think that the Marlins and Reyes didn’t consider these things. Reyes knows his window in Miami is 3 years tops, hmm I wonder what that also goes along with?
I don’t know about that. Apparently Girardi really loves his “Nooney”
#overratedmanager
#overratedmanager……LOL
In 3 years Super Joe might be managing the Long Island Ducks.
The Mets not making a formal offer doesn’t matter”
This is where EVERYONE can see that:
A) you’re really that stupid
B) you just HATE jose reyes…
Whether the Mets made an offer or not – and sounds like they did not – reality is they were not topping that 6 year, 100+ MIL offer from the Marlins.
Somehow, I doubt the cost of a video tribute isn’t anywhere near the cost of that Marlin contract.
I wanted Reyes re-signed as much as the next Met fans. Didn’t happen – he’s now a Marlin.
Time to move on.
Formal offer no. Do we honestly think though that Sandy and his agent did not talk and did not discuss the parameters of a contract? Do we honestly not think that even occurred during the season? Again, Jose knew where the Mets were and chose to take the money. Also, there’s nothing wrong with that. He has the chance to move on, move closer, be part of the party atmosphere that he always enjoyed, make a ton of money and get traded to the Yankees in a few years when the Marlins dump him.
Absolutely believe our FO talked to his agent and that agent was well aware of where the Mets parameters were at. It wasn’t going to be that 100 MIL guaranteed that Reyes wanted so he walked.
screw this. he bolted to where he wanted to be all along, and is now a divisional rival. They shouldn’t acknowledge him at all. And the fans can boo him lustily, like the other “enemies” on rival teams.
Agreed. His “moment” will come his name is announced and people politely applaud. If he continues to have a great career, show a video in ten years when he announces his retirement. Don’t do it now. Bush league.
I agree! This is not like Patrick Ewing coming back to the Garden. He left for greener pastures. Adios…….
Let’s Go Mets!
It’s unbelievable that some of the same people who are fine with honoring Chipper Jones, aren’t OK with a video tribute for one of the Mets best homegrown players in recent years. SMH.
If in 10 years Jose is in his retirement year on the way to the HOF, then give him a little going away montage.
Entirely different situation.
Your right it is an entirely different situation. Chipper played for one of our biggest rivals, and killed us – He should not be honored by us. Reyes was one the best homegrown players we had in recent years, and one of the most loved – He should be honored by us.
Right, it is entirely different .
Is anyone saying Reyes shouldn’t be honored? It’s just the timing of it. As for Chipper it’s an entirely different story and pointless to bring up.
Um, did you read the comments? They are saying he shouldn’t be honored.
stick April 17, 2012 at 8:33 am .
screw this. he bolted to where he wanted to be all along, and is now a divisional rival. They shouldn’t acknowledge him at all. And fans can boo him lustily, like the other “enemies” on rival teams.
JJ April 17, 2012 at 8:47 am .
I agree! This is not like Patrick Ewing coming back to the Garden. He left for greener pastures. Adios……
Read right above you:
“stick April 17, 2012 at 10:22 am
If in 10 years Jose is in his retirement year on the way to the HOF, then give him a little going away montage.
Entirely different situation.”
So, we can’t honor Reyes unless he is on his way to the HOF?
Come on really? He’s probably not making the HOF, so that means we would then probably never honor him.
Anyway, the point is some people want to honor one of our biggest rivals who had killed us for so many years, but don’t want to honor one of the bests homegrown players we developed in recent years, and was also one of the most loved players?
It’s just ridiculous.
Mountain out of a mole hill but what do I expect?
Never said honor Chipper. But acknowledge a great player that is ending his career (even, or especially, one closely tied to the Mets!), yes, that you do. And in this case, they can have some fun with it.
but no, I don’t think you should do a tribute to a guy that cashed in on his FA window and bolted to a divisional rival.
announce him like everyone else, and let the fans decide how to “honor” him. Save anything else for the end of his career if you want to do it.
I can understand that standpoint. I guess they just want to get it over with. Really a no win situation.
AGAIN, WHat most of you wanted him to do? there was no offer, forget about the agent, THERE WAS NO OFFER MADE, Lord sandy alderson admitted this HIMSELF. yet still most of you (sabergoons or sandy lovers) keep harping the same tree about reyes’ being at fault..
Alex I know it’s hard for you to understand but it’s not always a situation where anyone is at fault. Both groups did what they thought was in THEIR best interest. I know it’s tough to accept an end to an era and you have the need to blame someone for your hero departing. However, it’s just not there.
Jose knew what the Mets would give him, the Mets knew what Jose wanted, both groups decided to move on. There’s no blame there.
Effin A right.
trs86, my thing is, jose reyes is no longer a met, yet people keep constantly bringing him up and trying to make him look like the bad guy here.. a few wishing him to get injured, others posting articles about how they “SUDDENLY” hates the marlins, etc.. At what point the same people who tell me and others not to talk about other teams players stop talking about jose reyes who is a OTHER TEAM PLAYER? see my point..
And that’s including you’re little posse who all seem to LOVE alderson and will go to the extreem to defend him, others just like to lick his b**** despite of what he does or say
Alex, this is why no one can take you seriously. We are having a mostly civil debate and you provide this
“And that’s including you’re little posse who all seem to LOVE alderson and will go to the extreem to defend him, others just like to lick his b**** despite of what he does or say”
How are we supposed to take you seriously?
Now back to your point before you ruined it.
Where in this post did people make Reyes look like a bad guy? Since when does taking the money make someone a bad guy? Hell most are angry at Lebron but that never bothered me either. As I said above there is no bad guy in this story, however, wishing that he hits .230 and makes Carl Crawford a happy man? I have no issue with that whatsoever and if Wright leaves I will say the same.
I know you don’t see things from the same side but what it all boils down to is you follow baseball like NBA fans follow their sport. You care more about the name on the back than the name on the front.
Except that only ONE person did what was in his best interests….
The other just sat on his hands hoping to leave that guy with no choice but to do what was in his best interests!
SO guys like you could blame him for doing that!
Where did I blame Reyes for leaving? As to your comment on only one made the right decision? Opinions are like all of us… a@sholes.
Actually I was not referring to you but since I was replying to you I apologize for the mis shot there!
Jesse has in many cases blamed the leaving of Reyes’ on Greed in the hopes of diverting blame from the fact Sandy really did everything he could to give Reyes no choice BUT to leave!
The discussion always seems to be about the offer he got but the truth is whatever offer he got would have been just SHY of what Sandy was willing to pay and I said such long before the Marlins made even their initial offer!
Sandy’s attitude with the Reyes negotiation was all about “Plausible Deniability!”
If I make no offer no one can accuse me of lowballing him. And whatever offer he gets Sandy can then say “Oh Shucks that was just 1 Million more than we were willing to go!”
To attempt to make Reyes’ Leaving about Reyes’ Greed not the fact that Sandy really had no intentions of signing him nless he got NO offers and came for the price of dirt!
Reyes left because he wasn’t wanted here! Can’t blame him for that but I can blame Sandy for not wanting him here!
Especially considering that he said to a player “Your on Audition this year, Prove to me you deserve a Big Contract” The player does and yet he still refuses to show him and semblence of wanting that player who did what was asked of him!
Forget Reyes just for a minute, What does that say to guys like Wright (who recently got the same speech) and the rest of the guys on this team he threatens with not signing if they don’t perform?
He told a Player “Show me your Worth!” And when the player did he went out of his way to ignore that worth and refused to make an offer to a player who did what was asked of him!
Contract negotiations are a two-way street. No one is saying it’s Reyes fault. You’re trying to twist it to look like people are saying that. What everyone except you is saying is that Reyes had no desire to stay a Met and the Mets couldn’t afford him. No one did anything wrong. Not Reyes, not Sandy, not Reyes’s agent. It’s business, and both sides made the business decision that’s best for them.
and even if the core is right that Sandy did not want him back (or more accurately, did not want to pony up the required contract), and was happy to have him get the Miami offer, it still does not make Sandy a bad GM, a dope, or anything else thrown at him. He just might be right, in terms of making a BB decision (and those absolutely have to consider the money aspect).
Reyes’ job is playing baseball. He took the offer most appealing to him. As far as we know, it was his only formal offer, which kind of tells me he landed just where he wanted to be.
Any one of us here would do the same thing with our careers.
I just don’t see where this ‘blame’ argument comes into this.
Time to move on.
Or that the Marlins are nuts.
LOL, IMO that’s a given. We complain about the Mets owner but Loria has to be 10 times worse than the Wilpons ever were.
Alex, how long did that flight take from DR to Miami? How long does it take from DR to NYC? Having a hour long flight verses a 4 hour flight is a big positive for him. Of all people why can’t you understand that Reyes wants to be in Miami? This is a great situation for him and his family.
No one said it was Reyes’ “fault”. He made a consious decision to cash in when his value is expected to be at its highest. Everyone here has said they would do the same thing.
The problem is how he left. The song and dance about how much he loves it here but then how much he wants to thit the market. the way he hardly ran at all the entire second half of the season. The whole acting all hurt he didn’t get a $120 million offer from the Mets.
Th way he pulled himself out of the game i nthei first inning, not just to protect his abtting title, but to make sure he couldn’t get hurt before he hit the market.
That is some Lebron James type stuff right there. Oh, ya, you’re on that ringless bandwagon too.
That is some Lebron James type stuff right there. Oh, ya, you’re on that ringless bandwagon too”
Amazing donal, comparing reyes to lebron? and for your information, YES i am, he’s the best player in the NBA and this year, that “ringless bandwagon” will be ringless no more..
I said above I harbor no ill will towards Lebron for what he did other than the “decision” thing backfired but I blame ESPN for that.
I am able to actually root for Lebron as I have no NBA team. However, I sure can root against Reyes now. I don’t hold it against him for leaving but it doesn’t change the fact that he left.
He openly talked about his impedning free agency during his final year in Cleveland. I mean openly speculating where he would end up. How he was scheduling his tour.
And, he continued to do it during their playoff run. He so obviously checked out on that team thinking about his big money.
And then there was that whole offseason nosnense and The Decision.
I have no problem with anyone cashing in on their abilities. Everyone in the world has a right to make a sound business decision for themselves and their family. I just expect a little class while doing so.
Ya, them and your Eagles, too.
Make that TOM BRADY and the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS and you’re got the trifecta!
Oh, I thought that trend was over.
So…..are they going to do the same thing for Carlos Beltran when the Cards come in?
JesseP, here’s how upset you were about reyes winning the batting title:\
http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/09/congratulations-to-jose-reyes-the-2011-nl-batting-champion.html#comments
Alex, you’re not showing me anything I don’t say here in this chat. I am and will always be down on Reyes for winning a title by taking himself out of game 162 in his final game as a Met. Not even running the bases or playing the field til his next AB.
The only thing that has to do with Braun is, Braun didn’t do that.
It has nothing to do with being pro Braun, it has everything to do with being anti bush league.
Too Bad for you that he would have won it even if he stayed in and went 0 for 4 that day!
Too bad for me? If anything it further proves the point that there was no reason to take himself out.
Look unless somebody gives me a logical reason for it, my final image of Reyes as a Met will be bush league.
If he took himself out to win a batting title, why didn’t he run the bases? Why didn’t he stay in until his next AB? From the moment he was on 1B safely, he had the batting title and likely could not lose it. So why the need to take himself out? He didn’t have to rest for the playoffs right? He was supposedly healthy. So why?
Funny how what reyes did is bush league but defending a KNOWN CHEATER is the right thing to do right???? You make me sick /
This entire discussion makes me stick from laughing.
I am surprise to be honest.. I thought joe D told you and your goons to not do MMO any favors by being here.. Don’t you got a BLOG to run?
Oh I am running it. Again thanks for the advertisement.
Alex, you yourself have to find this entire discussion very petty considering that the Mets are currently 7-3 after winning a series vs the Phillies and 5-0 vs the Braves.
No there was plenty of reason and NONE of it had anything to do with the Batting Title which you try so desperatly to make the excuse for it!
This is jst another attempt by you to show hatred of a guy in Met Uni who you did not want to resign!
He left the game for VERY good reason….Batting Title not withstanding…
He had been playing with a bad hammy and it was a day game after a night game. (which if you were not so busy at the time trying to come up with excuses to purge Reyes you might have seen that the plan then was to rest him in day games after night games) He was only in the lineup to give the fans who showed up one last look at him.
He came out because there was no sense in staying in the game that meant nothing and no reason to risk getting hurt the day before he was going to have to sell himself to teams as a free agent!
The real Question you should be asking is why did he go in at all not why did he come out!
He went in to say goodbye to the fans some of which (like you) obviously didn’t appreciate him!
And all your angst about him coming out to take a batting title away from a cheater is just a front for your wanting him gone because having that Batting Title wrecked your trash spiel as an inconvenient truth!
so, he was such an injury risk that he couldn’t take a chance playing the field for a couple of innings, so he decided the best thing to do was drop a bunt so he would have to run hard to beat it out?
You know, the media is a wonderful thing. If Reyes needed game 162 off because it was a dreaded day game (they didn’t have a game 163 so plenty of time to rest)
They could have easily made it known that he would sit out Game 162 and for all fans to come to game 161. Just a thought. crazy I know.
Yeah thats how you promote people to come to that park in a year Attendance is way way down!
Thinking like that is why Kodak is the stock item it is today!
He was such an injury risk, he couldn’t play game 162 when there was four-plus months to rest. But #BlameSandy for not committing six years to him.
LOLas if Sandy was willing to commit even year to him!
He made ZERO OFFERS! If he wanted reyes for a shorter time he should have made an offer with fewer years instead of letting someone else top the nothing he got from us!
But he’s a great GM for telling a player hey show me you deserve a big contract before I give it to you, The player DOES and wins the first Batting Title in Met history and that wasn’t enough….
I wonder how many HRs Wright has to hit this year to get HIS extention…
Will he have to break the single season HR record to get his extention? He too got the He needs to show me he deserves a big contract threat Reyes got!
And, just as he had for the previous three years, Reyes proved he wasn’t worth a six year contract. Yet another injury-plagued season. Maybe that’s why NO ONE offered him a six year deal besides the desperate Marlins. It’s just like you to focus on stats and only stats. “Well he hit .337 and had a .384 OBP, so he had a great year.” Bull. “How many home runs does Wright have to hit.” Doesn’t matter. Playing at a high level ALL YEAR is what’s important for a long contract extension, not playing well in between multiple DL stints.
Only in your world is BATTING CHAMPION 14th in the league in RS not worth a 6 year contract!
No you like those ramirez type deals as much smarter…Whats his ERA again?
In everyone’s world. What he did in 2011 means nothing in 2014, 2015, 2016. Means less that nothing. Hell, it means less than nothing in 2012. Ask Jason Bay what his 2009 season means to Mets fans.
And it figures you’d take one of the biggest upsides all season, find the one guy that wasn’t completely perfect, and rag on him. Funny you say that now and not before Sunday when Ramirez’s ERA was good. All of a sudden NOW he’s a problem. Convenient.
Too bad you missed me ragging on the ERA all spring…
Facts are nice when ignored in your world aren’t they?
I like how you’re using Ramirez’s contract right now and acting like he’s not worth it, but at the same time touting Reyes is worth a 6 year deal when he’s hitting lower than .250 with an OBP of less than .300
HAHAHAHA. Spring training? That’s your big comeback? Spring freakin training?
And I like how you run to any change of subject when you lose the original point you tried to make and got hit with an inconvenient fact you need to cover with circle jerking crap that is unrelated to the original subject!
Tell us all who did Reyes face to have those numbers and what is the BA of those guys Ramirez faced to get his?
Is you and X’s problem that I mentioned Ramirez who you guys thought his acquisition constituted a GOOD DAY?
I’m not trashing Ramirez by the way just pointing out that whoever you guys seem to think is WORTH paying has yet to prove they were and the guys you aren’t have won titles and have a history of being good player EVERY year!
Keep running and hiding all you want…Change the subject till your hearts content!
It won’t matter because in the end you will have to face what you have said in the past!
You previous statements on the validity of Omar’s MiL system has already made you look foolish!
The record we have now has more to do with what Omar had here than anyone that Sandy has deemed SIGNABLE!
Not one of his players has won a game for this team by his own accord!
And wasn’t that the point of acquiring these guys to help us win MORE games?
Well when will they start?
When is Wheeler going to win a game for us?
When is Nimmo?
When is Ramirez going to earn that money?
Is it soon?
I certainly hope so…But you NEED it to be so to get out from your GOOD DAY post don’t you?
Hey X…ST is over…whats his ERA now?
And if he gets hurt does he get signed to the same contract he got?
Why should he risk that for Fans who would just as soon see him wearing a Marlins Uni?
You all focus on the sentiment of why he came out…
None of you seem to ask why did he go in at all?
Convenient for you as that is!
“He went in to say goodbye to the fans some of which (like you) obviously didn’t appreciate him!”
So you admit he knew he was leaving NY then?
“He came out because there was no sense in staying in the game that meant nothing and no reason to risk getting hurt the day before he was going to have to sell himself to teams as a free agent!”
Bingo. Perfectly said. Somehow you think this is defending him, yet you just said he took himself out to avoid injury so he can get… paid. Bingo. Well done. End of discussion. Case dismissed.
Everyone knew he was leaving because Sandy didn’t want him! EVERYONE!
again begs the question that my good friends maniac and vinny (the CORE) asked you and you never gave a fair reason or answer:
Met Maniac September 28, 2011 at 10:25 pm .
I don’t remember caring when Chipper-Hanley-CarGo won the batting titles…
Why would you have cared for them? They weren’t Mets.
Why not support your our team and player?
Vinny B September 29, 2011 at 12:41 pm .
But Braun DID do the same thing as Reyes – It’s unbelievable how you are making exucses for Braun, and your killing Reyes for doing the same thing.
Fact: In the last series of the year, Ryan Braun didn’t start when he was leading Jose Reyes….and came back in once Reyes passed him, and then played in the last two games when Reyes was leading.
Why aren’t you upset about that?
You have to admit Ryan Braun had a reason to take a seat though right? His team was approaching the playoffs.
I don’t think you or your quoted friends understand my issue. I don’t care that he bunted for a hit. I don’t care that he or Braun sat to preserve a title. I don’t care about any of that.
I care about a homegrown Met, who HAD an idea he was playing in his final home game ever, deciding to take himself out of the game after bunting for a hit to preserve a title. I care that people paid money to see him play and people excuse him because of a batting title. He could have run the bases. He could have played the field for maybe 2 more innings before anything ever would have impacted his batting title.
He made the choice. That’s what I care about.
Yes he had a good reason, the Steroids coursing through his blood were wearing off!
I love how you beat on Reyes for coming out of the last game of the season and claim he did it to win a title from a guy who should not have been there in the first place because he cheated to get there!
I love how you once again TRASH THE MET (and he was a Met that day) and accuse him of STEALING the title from a cheater!
Truth is Reyes won that Batting title days before that Bunt and benching…
Cause even if he had come in second chances are highly likely Braun would have been stripped of the batting title anyway!
Would he? Have they stripped anything from him?
He didn’t have anything to be stripped of!
He didn’t win the batting title even WITH the medical cheating help!
Yet Jesse here will complain about Reyes leaving a game early, a game that it turns out didn’t matter as Braun couldn’t win the title no matter what Reys did, but complains he left and took a title away from a roid user….
Yep thats Typical Jesse!
A Met can do no Right a players not a Met can seemingly do no wrong unless proved in a court of law!
“He didn’t have anything to be stripped of!”
You mean other than the NL’s Most Valuable Player Award right?
Small award that wasn’t taken away…
And Wasn’t deserved either was it?
Just so we got this clear a guy who won the batting title a day BEFORE he came out of a game is a louse who doesn’t deserve to wear a Met Uni but a cheating schmck is a great player who was denied more accolades by that low life Jose reyes who didn’t cheat?
Is that your position Jesse?
‘He didn’t have anything to be stripped of!’
Are you implying the NL MVP doesn’t count?
yep!
Because it isn’t really an EARNED performance title it is a PERCIEVED performance title!
It’s not like a batting title that has stats and accomplishment associated with it!
It is a perception award that people VOTE on and has little to nothing to do with what you did and everything to do with your proportions of contribution compared to the rest of your team!
A pitcher only pitches once every 5 days and can win the MVP!
A guy who won nothing and did less compared to other players can win the MVP because he is on a team that had no one BUT him to win what they did!
It is not a Ttitle like Batting where there is no SUBJECTIVE OPINION involved it’s all about cold hard FACTS!
And I wonder if he would win if they retook the vote today?
You could have saved us all time and instead of writing those 6 paragraphs you could have just said “Sorry, I forgot he won the MVP.”
Instead of acting like the MVP is not an award that could be stripped from him.
No because I don’t count the MVP as an ACHIEVEMENT!
It’s a recognition that has as much to do with being on a crappy team as anything the player did!
Put Jose Reyes on the Pirates and he wins MVP too!
It’s a subjective award not an OBJECTIVE or EARNED award!
It’s meaningless especially considering that he had to cheat to win it!
“No because I don’t count the MVP as an ACHIEVEMENT!”
There’s a new one.
‘Put Jose Reyes on the Pirates and he wins MVP too!’
Nah…..Reyes was on a crappy team when he won the batting title and they still didn’t vote him NL MVP. That’s because the award is for the Most Valuable Player of the league – not one for each team.
Metsie, categorically false.
So why don’t the guy who thinks he knows EVERYTHING tell the audience exactly what is required to win the MVP that compares to the Batting Title that has a CLEAR definition of have a higher Batting Percentage than any other player…
Tell all us KNOW NOTHINGS what act a player can do to GUARANTEE getting the MVP why don’t you….
Or is this as I expect just another attempt to change the subject hoping the previous one goes away…
The one where you claimed Reyes STOLE a Batting title from Roid User!
It wasn’t as crappy a team as you make it out to be….
Typical Xtreeme post…
YOUR WRONG! but offers no proof of his assertion!
ROFLMAO!
MVP is a perception award it has little to nothing to do with what you accomplished!
There is no accomplishment you can make that ENSURES you get votes to win it like there is for a BATTING CHAMPION which requires no subjective opinions or votes…
You either do what needs to be done to win it or you don’t!
And in Brauns case he did what he needed to do to become second fiddle there…he Juiced up!
Somthing you guys seemingly want to ignore when you trash Reyes for dcking out of a Batting Titlte race the only other contender had already CHEATED to be in in the first place!
He passed every drug test during the regular season so he wasn’t cheating during the season. He got caught after the regular season and who gives a shit he’s not a Met. Who’s to say Jose didn’t do HGH when he had a thyroid problem, there was no HGH testing at that time.
The sample was taken in October. I find it hard to imagine that he immediately started as soon as the playoffs were over or even right when the playoffs started. He probably timed it just right so the juice was coursing through his veins at the right time.
Who knows when he started Salty. All I do know is that he never tested positive before that and he is subjected to regular testing like everybody else.
LOL….
He wasn’t taking them during he season followed by the statement WHO KNOWS when he started taking them!
CLASSIC!
Point that is RELEVENT and worth noting is he DID take them!!
He DID fail a test!
And you really have no clue as to when the test was given do you?
And at least Reyes didn’t cheat like Braun did.
Vinny in all honesty don’t you think this has to be the silliest debate on this site?
I agree. Reyes won the batting title fair and square. And every Mets fan should be happy that he won it.
There shouldn’t be any debate.
I am happy he won it, don’t care how he won it and I am now happy with the job Ruben is doing. I am happy Reyes got what he wanted and I hope that Mets fans can move on. I honestly don’t care anymore why he left, it’s old news and we got a lot more to care about now.
trs86, the guy who supoosedly LOVE jose reyes was the one who started this debate.. Follow by the xtreembuttkisser and a few others who somehow forgot he was a met at the time, and it’s funny how jesseP is asking ME to root for wright because he’s a met when HE OPENLY were rooting for braun to overpass him etc.. and even when it was all said and done and braun was caught cheating he was his biggest supported then of course, as usual, i shut him the f*** up about it too..
Again, hate Wright because of how someone else views him. LOL. I don’t have to like Wright because someone else likes Braun. I don’t have to like Reyes because someone else likes Hanley.
HE WAS A MET WHEN HE WON IT, who cares how he won it, you put too much enfasys on him bunting yet discredit him for going 7-11 the last 4 games to overtake braun and jumped his avg from 329 to 337. yet all you focus on was his BUNT, and NOW you’re telling me to root for wright because he’s a met and not root for someone else??? very hypocrite of you, but to me that’s not a surprise, i just hope others see you for what you are..
What a trivial debate between you two honestly. At this point why do we care anymore? The Mets are 7-3 and Tejada is playing well, lets be happy instead of rehashing all this pointless stuff.
Reyes won the title like a money hungry BloTch, end of story. He is gone, he is a Marlin, he is now the enemy. It’s April either stop liking the Mets (because you really don’t like anything about them) or get over it.
salty, seriously, why you keep trying? SMH…
Try what? Al you do is BloTch and create flame wars. No Reyes, Sandy is destroying the team, Wright chokes. All day, every day. BloTch BloTch BloTch. You can’t even be happy when the team is doing good things because it forces you to root against your wanting of the team to fail. I just don’t understand why you spend your time here every day and just complain. You have no joy in what you watch. Find something constructive to place your passion in so you don’t give yourself a heart-attack. You obviously don’t like the Mets.
“you put too much enfasys on him bunting”
No one is putting too much emphasis on the bunting. Our lead off guy dropped a bunt single. Great. That is what we need him to do.
The bunt itself is not the problem. It is the pulling himself out of the game. It is the hardly pushing himself the entire second half. It is the fact that after June of 2011, Jose Reyes started doing a damn good Luis Castillo impression,
I kind of wondered why, if he could actually bunt like that, he didn’t do it all along?
He really wasn’t that great of a bunter during his career. However I think he learned to pick his chances and most likely they weren’t expecting a bunt there at all.
it’s amazing how the same people who were saying no to reyes at 6 year deal when he’ll be 34 at the end of the deal are now saying YAY to extend wright up until he’ll be 36..
Wright is 29. Who here is advocating a 6- 7 year extension for Wright? Don’t recall reading that.
not me! I’m hoping for a 4 year with a 5th option myself.
Sounds reasonable. I’m willing to bet the Mets are not going much more than that either.
Basically what I said below. Also for the record I would have been more than fine with the same for Reyes however, if you were Reyes would you even consider that deal based on what the Marlins offered?
Me either. Again, what amazes me in this entire discussion is that Alex allows how other perceive Reyes and Wright to make decisions on how he perceives them. Reyes doesn’t get enough love, Wright gets more love. Love Reyes, hate Wright…
If anything I would offer Wright a 3 year extension on top of the one year remaining. So basically 4 years with maybe a couple of team friendly options at the end. Not sure if he would take it or not. Something like 4/75 with 2 options at 16M each with 2.75M buyouts.
So basically something similar to what was on the table for Reyes.
If I was the GM, I would make that offer. And I actually think Wright would take it. Not just because he really does want to stay with the Mets, but because he would not have to worry about getting hurt or taling off in the next 2 years. And he would still hit FA again at what, 34?
Yeah, I basically think something like that would be fair to both sides. It allows the Mets to keep Wright through his prime and then make a decision after those 4 years. It allows Wright security through his prime and a chance to make a case to finish his career there.
That’s the last thing this team needs. Lets see if Mr. Glass can stay healthy for a little while longer. And 6 years? That better be front loaded because 6 years is asinine for him right now.
LOL Salty. Mr. Glass? I think that other than the back injury Wright has been a guy who plays through about everything.
That being said, 6 years locked is too much. 4 with options is about it.
Agreed.
Just trying to be fair in what has to be the silliest Mets commenting section in a year. So seeing I have referred to Reyes as a paraplegic, I should do probably the same so god forbid I am not called the R word again.
That is the thing, alex is making it up. No one has said to give Wright 6 year $100+ million.
I’m still in wait and see mode myself. I want to make sure he can hold out for the season before committing anything more than his option year. even then, it would have to be like 3 or 4 years with team options.
LOL…’Mr. Glass’? Are you implying Wright is injury prone?
Other than the 15 day DL for the concussion and the 2 months last year for the broken back, has he ever been injured?
Mr. Glass huh? Strange flick, great story, loved the dark nature of it, but it never rose to the occasion for me.
You must be a movie buff, Joe. Always seem to come up with the most obscure films.
Or maybe it’s me since I’m not – and this is a classic I don’t know about. LOL.
Big movie buff, and I use movie quotes or references all the time when I blog including today in the first part of our Farm Report.
I liked it a lot. Especially when Bruce kept lifting heavier weights and his son was freaking out. Signs was good and Village was OK. It’s amazing how M night completely busted after that string of movies.
That was my favorite part of the movie, that and when he pushed the newspaper in front of his son at breakfast. Night’s been a huge disappointment the last few years or ever since Village.
I thought Signs was awful. And I had the “twist” to the Village figured out before the half way point.
He tried to play himself off as Hitchcock and got married to all his gimmicky twists.
I liked The sixth Sense and Unbreakble, but after that, his American Express commercial was his best work.
Well, the story is it was supposed to be the first of a trilogy. Maybe the good stuff was saved for the theoretical sequals.
I didn’t know that, but that’s what my main complaint was that it felt incomplete. The brilliance of it was the art imitating life imitating art dynamic.
Even the concussion year he played 144 games, though the ones with the great gazoo helmet are probably worth writing off. Last year was really the only year that he had a significant injury.
Regardless I don’t think anyone is talking a 6 year contract. He has had a great start. Lets see where the team is late in the season before even thinking about it. If it’s done, 6 years still seems awfully long.
Lets just be happy that he and the team are playing good. Isn’t that what it’s all about?
I think you run the risk of the Reyes situation if you wait too long. For me I would pick up the extension now and then offer him the terms on a team friendly contract and see if he bites. If not then at least you know where we stand until next year’s trade deadline.
Well your in a different situation because of the option. If he is still approaching his at bats late in the season where he is making hits based on the pitch and not trying to pull the ball every time, you can say he is back to the player the team needs. You can then renegotiate the option with a longer contract, or option and contract. If he gets hurt bad again they can option and then trade him next season.
There is so much time and baseball to play before this needs to be discussed. Plus, does Wright want to deal with that either. I think he is happy right now just being healthy and clubbing the ball.
true they can wait, but from his standpoint, once it is done he can forget all about it. You think he wants to be in the middle of the circus next year?
They can’t pick up the option until after the World Series is over.
I thought it was they just couldn’t trade him until them, but that is just semantics. They can still renegotiate it before then, but again now is not really the time.
I was under the impression that they could pick it up at any time but he can void it.
I should have known you were baiting me, Salty…..well done, Sir.
I never bait, only chum. Better odds that way.
I don’t know if Reyes wanted to stay here or not. It looks like the Mets never even offered him a contract. It was hard to see him go. Either way he plays for someone else. The Mets have done this before to returning ex-Mets. I can root for Reyes to do well and for his his team to lose.
For me the Piazza tribute was different. Piazza left because his career was in the downturn and it was time to move on. The team also made it to the world series with him. Reyes wanted to leave, and there is nothing wrong with that. Once he’s done playing, roll his wheelchair out and give him a tribute then. What is their to celebrate now, to say thanks for leaving the Mets and it’s fans? Good luck with your new team? A little too soon.
When all is said and done…..Jose Reyes is no longer a NY Met. I am sure he will get a very positive greeting from the fans at Citi Field for his contributions to this team but once the game starts he is just another player as it was his decision to go elsewhere for the cash.
Ruben Tejada is our shortstop now and has done a fine job in the field and has been better than good so far at the plate. If he continues to be patient at the plate and work the count…he will be a terrific player for us.
Not going after Reyes was a smart business move. Jose is still a huge risk despite his obviously tremendous talents. If the Mets had made a big opening offer to Jose…..it would
have only driven the price higher. If Jose really wanted to stay he could have gone to the Mets and given them a proposal as to what he wanted.
For all of you that were glad to throw around Wilpon money…..would you bet that Jose is going to stay healthy for even half of his 6 year deal?
I’d bet that he doesn’t !
The 1st person to comment on this over at RDM said it best.
“If this is true I believe it to be an excellent move by the front office. After the tribute the fans in attendance should give Reyes a standing ovation for his years of service (he’s the best SS the Mets have ever had) and thereafter boo his a$$ every time he comes to bat.” – Gategem
My thoughts exactly and on a more important note last night’s win was Great.
“He went in to say goodbye to the fans some of which (like you) obviously didn’t appreciate him!”
So you admit he knew he was leaving NY then?
“He came out because there was no sense in staying in the game that meant nothing and no reason to risk getting hurt the day before he was going to have to sell himself to teams as a free agent!”
Bingo. Perfectly said. Somehow you think this is defending him, yet you just said he took himself out to avoid injury so he can get… paid. Bingo. Well done. End of discussion. Case dismissed.
this was for Metsie
Yeah and you claim he came out for other reasons!
Maybe if you Sandy Blowing Cheerleaders didn’t make every attempt to trash him he might have stayed in the game!
MAYBE if he thought it was going to change Sandy’s mind about signing him he might have stayed!
MAYBE he just didn’t want to play for guys like you who obviously never appreciated him and took every opportunity to trash him!
And MAYBE he just wanted to be healthy for the offseason and didn’t think 3 ABs was worth it on a team who quit in July because it was so far out of it just 7.5 games out of!
I love how you blame reyes for quitting in a MEANINGLESS game…But not Sandy when he QUIT while the season still very much had meaning!
Metsie: How do you know a conversation where Alderson says to his agent “We can only do 4 years max on Reyes” didn’t happen?
You’re not blaming Alderson for having 0 interest in Reyes. You’re blaming him for not meeting requirements that he felt were not in his best interest to meet. If both sides wanted different things, then both sides are to blame no?
If Reyes WANTED to be a Met he could have been and if Sandy WANTED Reyes at any price, he’d be a Met.
Their agent and Alderson spoke. I guarantee you they did. It’s not even a +1 to Alderson that I’m saying that. I’m ASSUMING Reyes’ agent does his job fairly well.
Therefore it’s logical to think Alderson and Reyes knew what the story was. What is the point in a “formal offer” Here’s how it’d go
“As we said, we can only offer you 4 years at 70 million.”
“No.”
“Thanks have a great day.”
Who cares if there was a formal offer? Alderson did what he felt was best for the franchise, and that was to NOT give in to Reyes’ terms and to show confidence in Ruben Tejada. If Alderson had confidence that Tejada could be an everyday SS, why bother with Reyes?
Reyes wanted to get paid, and if like you say he KNEW he was leaving NY then that is even more bush-league that he took himself out of game 162 to “avoid injury.”
First tell us how you know that conversation DID happen?
Got any proof?
Hell with proof like yours I can say How do you know Sandy didn’t say to reyes go get your best offer because I’m not giving you a damn thing!
Cause there is more proof to fit that scenarion than the one you are trying to suggest because Sandy made NO Offer and admitted as much in an interview recently!
You’re asking me to PROVE to you that Jose Reyes’ agent did his job and had a conversation about parameters with the GM of his current team?
Here’s my proof. His agent still has a job.
You’re the one screaming that you know Sandy didn’t want Reyes. How do you know?
I am telling you right now, if Jose Reyes’ agent was even an average sports agent, he had a conversation with Sandy Alderson about his clients thoughts on a deal, and a gauge of what the Mets thoughts on a deal were.
It was reported that Alderson and Reyes’ agent spoke in November. What do you think they chatted about? Heck he even said he had conversations in which he discussed the parameters of a deal they’d be willing to sign but that the demands exceeded where they were willing to go with negotiation.
I’m not sure what proof will make you happy so I will stick by the fact that Reyes’ agent still has a job, which is how I know parameters of a deal were discussed.
Nohis job is to get Parameters from any team that offers them, it’s not his job nor even in his power to ask a Met GM to give a parameter he didn’t want to and refused to give!
there was no way to FORCE Sandy to give him anything Sandy didn’t want to give!
He did his job and kept it because he got offers from OTHER teams who were not as stubborn nor committed to not signing Reyes as Sandy was!
“No his job is to get Parameters from any team that offers them, it’s not his job nor even in his power to ask a Met GM to give a parameter he didn’t want to and refused to give!”
It’s finally worth noting that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Sports agents have relationships with General Managers. Conversations such as “what are you thinking?” happen all the time. Reyes’ agent also represents Johan Santana, RUBEN TEJADA, and Jenrry Mejia. If you think Sandy Alderson and Peter Greenberg don’t discuss things, then you just have no clue what an agents job is.
An agents job is to represent his client and get him the best situation he can for that players needs. An agent would be a fool if he didn’t check in with the Mets to see what they were thinking on a contract.
I’ve shared some of my sources on people who work for top level sports agencies with JoeD before, so don’t ask me for proof on knowing what a sports agent does and doesn’t do because I’m not sharing that info with you.
All I can say is that there is no chance Peter Greenberg has a job if he didn’t find out directly from the Mets what type of deal they would look to offer. “Making an official offer,” is a PR move by Reyes and his camp to make him look less like a bad guy.
No whats worth noting is you haven’t a SHRED of proof that any parameters were discussed and hope the rest of the planet will ASSUME in Sandy’s favor as quickly as you do!
Point is Sandy said no offer was made! FLAT OUT FACT!
And until you find proof that he did the only thing worth noting is you haven’t a CLUE about what happened and keep on ntalking as if YOU do!
How do you know he didn’t tell reyes would give him a contract only if he kicked back half of it to Sandy?
Thats how good your HOW DO YOU KNOW argument really is!
It’s just more bullshit hoping to cover up the facts that DO exists and have been presented!
Proof you have no idea what your talking about!
The rest is just the desperate acts of a desperatly WRONG guy who can’t fight the facts and as usual turns to the YOUR CRAZY act in his own defense!
Poor Poor Jesse!
bereft of Facts he will now ignore this conversation in peace hoping it is forgotten by the masses the NEXT time he tries to purpotrate his FANTASY as an undisputed fact!
PROVE SANDY HAD THIS DISCUSSION!
If you can’t we all know who it is who has no clue!
Name the conversation the date and the parameters!
Then I’ll post my link to what Sandy said about not making any offer or having any meaningful discussion only to say what he would NOT be interested in.
Never a mention of what he was interested in paying because the TRUTH is he wasn’t interested in keeping Reyes even for the same salary as he had!
I didn’t read anything else you said once you said I had no proof Alderson had discussions with Greenberg about parameters. So either you CHOOSE to not believe reports or you just are ignoring them
“Don’t get caught up in whether the Mets made a formal offer to Reyes. Sandy Alderson conveyed to agent Peter Greenberg the parameters the Mets could reach. And Reyes’ side decided that would not be enough and went with the superior Marlins offer. ” – Adam Rubin, ESPN NY (gets more insider info than Metsie http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/tag/_/name/peter-greenberg
“As the two talked numerous times over the next 36 hours, Greenberg told Alderson that the parameters of what the Mets were talking “were not competitive” with the Marlins’ offer.” Sporting News, also more inside than Metsie. http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/feed/2011-10/hot-stove-league/story/marlins-formally-announce-signing-of-ss-jose-reyes
If that is not proof then you’ll only believe things reported by Metsie, and those I am sorry to say have no credibility
OH I see we are moving the need to converse until AFTER other offers were already made?
He didn’t give Reyes parameters he merely took the Marlins offer and made it unpalatable so Reyes would leave and you Sandy lovers could blame Reyes for not taking the lesser offer!
Classic Jesse!
Where is yor proof that he made an offer or talked parameters before Reyes was allowed to get other offers to compare it to?
Why didn’t he make those parametes knows BEFORE the Marlins made an offer?
Is it because he (like you) were scared the answer would have been YES and you would have had to keep him?
All you proved was precisely what I said….
Sandy made NO OFFER until such time as someone else did and then pretended he was just shy of that offer knowing full well his lowball would be dismissed!
He wanted Jose to get the best offer he could elsewhere so he could claim he was just shy of that offer!
Truth is there was no offer BEFORE the Marlins made one and no discussion of parameters UNTIL better parameters were given that Sandy could be sure to fall short of and get what he wanted!
Which was Reyes leaving!
And I know you don’t read my posts fully…
Thats mostly because the Truth hurts you!
lol oh okay so we’ll just change the rules until you’re right?
You said
“Until such tme you an prove there was any parameter given lets stop with all these hypothetical MAYBES we know are not true because Sandy never made an offer and admitted as much to the press!”
I showed you the proof that he gave parameters and now u want parameters before he hit free agency? Next I’ll show you parameters on a sunny day and you’ll say “show me proof he discussed parameters on a cloudy day!”
Get over yourself. Agents and GMs talk about their players all the time in passing and in a business meeting. You are just trying to prove something that isn’t logical and when proof is given, you change the rules.
I’m done.
No you showed that parameters were SET AFTER the Marlins had already set what the bar was!
He made NO discussions of Parameters before the Marlins had which is what I said!
He didn’t make an offer or even SPEAK to Reyes UNTIL someone else made an offer Sandy could then PRETEND to be interested in by setting HIS paramters just short of what he knew he would accept!
Tp prove your point you would have to show proof that Sandy set parameters BEFORE Reyes was free to deal that Reyes turned down…
This you have YET to do!
All you did was prove my point…
Sandy didn’t set parameters or make an offer and waited until someone else DID set paremeters he could then fall short of so he would not have to resign Reyes!
It was a PRETENSE of being interested!
Like me saying to you Hey I’m sorry I can only give you $90 for your Sandy Alderson Hero Baseball card knowing full well you already had an offer of $100 and then blaming you for being Greedy for not taking my offer!
Thats what you have tried to do here and thats pretty much what Sandy did!
Made no offer until someone else did and then pretended he was interested by making an offer he knew full well would never be agreed to!
If he had made it before the Marlins did the risk to Sandy was Reyes would agree and be stuck so he made NO OFFER until he knew what he COLD offer and be sure of getting turned down!
and no I didn’t change the rules but you did try to!
By taking PAST events and injecting them into a discussion of previous happenings!
Reyes NEVER Turned down the Mets before the Marlins came calling!
Why?
Because there was no offer and no parameters for him to turn down…Sansy didn’t make them! Sandy set no parameters until he was sure what parameters would be DEFINITLY turned down!
Because he didn’t want him…and neither did you!
And lets be truthful here for once…What you showed was REYES’ AGENT gave parameters that Sandy didn’t like!
Sandy never once made an offer or said what he as willing to pay EVER!
Dude you need to let go. He’s gone! We have a new SS and he’s doing quite well. Nobody really gives a shit anymore whether or not if Sandy did or didn’t want him. If it’s any consolation, Sandy traded Rickey Henderson and brought him back a couple of years later so you have hope he might try and reacquire him. Until then, say hello to Ruben Tejada.
No They need to let it go and stop trying to justify hating Reyes.
I didn’t start this conversation I’m just finishing what others started which was to trash Reyes for no reason whatsoever just to justify their desire to see him gone!
Jessup brought us here not me!
Yes he is gone but Jessup hasn’t seem to have the confidence to let it go he has to keep on blaming Reyes for that when we all know Sandy wanted no part of him!
It’s as rediculous as the Wright Hating and when he goes I wonder how many years of justification for that do we have tio hear from these asses?
All because far be it from Sandy to be criticised for anything he does!
You know like that Good day he had that got us ramirez? Great game today I feel the wins he is going to get us flowing like water don’t you?
Until such tme you an prove there was any parameter given lets stop with all these hypothetical MAYBES we know are not true because Sandy never made an offer and admitted as much to the press!
In the SAME INTERVIEW he claimed he had money to spend but decided the team wasn’t WORTH spending on….
So tell me with our current start to the season do you believe this team isn’t worth spending money on?
Is it so horrible that spending money would be for naught and we need to save it in order to make the team a good one 4 years from now because it just sucks so bad today?
Is that your opinion of this team? Is that assertion made by you months ago still holding up to scrutiny?
If so then I guess we know all we need to know about you and your love of the Mets and desire to see it win!
And you think your Mr Positive to my Mr Negative!
I am going to retract my earlier statement that this post’s comments are the silliest I’ve seen in a year. This has taken a sharp left turn to bizarro land at this point.
There is nothing left to the dead horse to beat. It’s was dead and decomposed months ago. My god.
Well Gary…Some note of what actually started it is in order is it not?
I certainly didn’t bring up the Reyes issue here.
Just kept those who wish to be dishonest about it honest.
I agree reyes is gone and there is nothing that can be done about it.
I didn’t try start the conversation by pumping up Reyes it was started by those who have nothing better to do than Malign a guy who gave us some pretty great baseball while he was here and got paid accordingly despite that salary being more than Sandy wanted to spend.
It is a testament to just who is more interested in the subject of reyes and putting Negative/Positive spin on the matters regarding him because they still haven’t come to grips with the fact if he is horrible it will prove them correct and if he’s not from here on out INcorrect.
But they still feel the need to trash the guy and used the article about honoring a guy who did some great things for our team, is our only batting title champion to date, Probably leads the franchise in RS all because they can’t let the thought that Reyes was a good player for us creep out for fear of that eventual proving of their wrongness!
So they trash the fact we want to honor all the good he gave us merely becase he saw no reason to try and impress a GM that had no intentions of signing him with 3 more ABs and take the risk he could get hurt and ruin his chance at getting other offers elsewhere!
Yes the conversationis rediculous and bizzarro….
It’s what happens when some who take a negative position feel pressure to keep pressing it any chance they get!
And the guys who started with the negative?
Jesse!
The biggest purpotrator of obscure subject changes, wild assumptions used as fact and the biggest NEGATIVE poster in regards the to team we have NOW than any other poster here!
On;ly now that they are winning he feels threatened because none of this good has actually come from the guy he said was going to bring it!
Maybe what should happen is that when Reyes comes up or they start the video. ALL the fans at the park get up and go to the bathroom or concession stands. Kind of take themselves out of the game for one batter.