13
2012
Mets Never Saw Reyes As Longterm Investment, Cautious Wright May Be Injury Prone
An article by Hojo's Mojo
Andy Martino of the Daily News may have opened up a can of worms this morning with a couple of quotes in which he matter of factly states the following:
As the Daily News reported in February, the Mets hope that Wright will justify another multi-year commitment, and remain the face of their franchise for years. The team’s outlook on Wright differs dramatically from their view last year of Jose Reyes, who most Met executives did not view as a smart long-term investment.
There has been plenty of speculation over the last 18-24 months about whether the Mets had any real interest in re-signing Jose Reyes to a longterm deal, and that any interest shown (Jose Reyes is our top priority) was merely for the PR benefit. Additionally, Alderson has been more open to discussing what was really going on behind the scenes in recent interviews, particularly one with WFAN’s Joe and Evan a week ago. Alderson admitted that there was never any type of offer made to Peter Greenberg or Jose Reyes after months of avoiding a direct answer to the question. “They were at a place where we were not prepared to go”.
He also admitted that he and his advisers discussed what the collateral damage would be and decided that any hit would be a short term one, but that in the longterm it would benefit the team. “We knew attendance would take a big hit, but we also know they would be back the sooner we would start winning again, so that is now our focus.”
Recently, some leaks have come out that the Mets were planning to bring back Reyes only on a guaranteed 3-4 year deal with other option years attached that would vest based on games played or plate appearances.
Now regarding Wright, Martino states that the Mets may be hesitant of doing anything longterm with Wright because they want to first be assured that he is not, wait for it… “injury prone”. That would mean not only riding out this season, but his 2013 option season as well.
Wright’s current issue, a fractured pinkie suffered Monday when he dove into first base ahead of a pickoff attempt, was a result of bad luck, not age (with no significant developments Thursday, the Mets will decide Friday if Wright will play or head to the disabled list).
But add this problem to last year’s fractured back, and the side muscle strain that ruined his spring training, and the new regime has simply not seen Wright play enough to decide if he is still in his prime.
Martino also matter of factly says that officials told him that are hoping Wright can eventually earn a new deal, and are “cautiously optimistic” that he will, whereas “they were skeptical of Reyes all last season.”
I recall speculating at one point after Reyes signed with the Marlins in one of my reports, that in time we’ll learn more about what transpired in the lead-up to Reyes’ departure, and it certainly seems that is exactly what we are starting to see.
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I didnt believe for one second that Reyes was part of any future plans with the Mets. From the moment they let John Ricco pick up his option until the bitter end, their word and body language said it all. That little show they put on mid season that they reached out for a negotiation was a joke knowing full well the ship had passed. The truth is if Reyes had said okay lets talk, they would have shitted in their pants.
As for Wright, same thing. They will not keep him. They want their own faces of the franchise and that’s how it’s gonna be. Oh and by the way, now that Johan has proven to be healthy, he’s gone at the trade deadline even if the team is in the thick of it. Johan is a dead man walking right now and the front office is giddy about it.
“They were at a place we were not prepared to go” says Alderson.Thanks to his stewardship a lot of fans will feel the same way about being prepared to spend their money to attend a game at Citifield in 2012
I don’t believe that the Mets should sign David Wright to a long term contract. I just want him to go on some kind of a hot streak so we can trade him for a couple of pitching prospects.
Lets face it, this team is 2-3 years at most from getting back into the thick of things and by that time Wright will be past his prime. It is not a matter of if he is good or not, I just don’t think the timing is right (Wright)….pun intended!
As far as Santanna, I would love to trade him, but at his salary I guarantee there will be no takers, especially coming of that injury.
We need to be thinking two years from now and continue on that path. It sucks now and its going to be painful to watch them but it will pay off in the long run.
For almost five years, lots of folk on this site screamed for new blood, “break up the core”, etc. etc.
Reyes marked the beginning of the transformation. Now that signs point to massive re-building some of you are getting very cold feet.
Let’s be realistic: if Wright tears it up from here on out, and doesn’t spend much time on DL, he will remain a Met. As for Johan, pretty much the same thing goes. It isn’t enough for him to keep us in games, he has to earn WIns. Personally, I love JS, but he is not more indispensable right now than others.
Thanks HoJo!
So the guys who are “ALWAYS WRONG” according to the Metsmerized “Masters of the Universe” were actually correct all aong about the organizations attitude and intentions regarding Reyes! Including the Attendance Ramifications!!!
And now halfway home to being correct about finding an excuse to get rid of Wright?
Interesting…very Interesting!
How many players in baseball are NOT “injured”. When you play this sport odds are you are going to hurt one way or another. Injury prone is Chris Young or Nick Johnson, players that can’t stay off disabled list.
@Hojo: This article will stir a debate on the Mets cutting costs. In that vein. How about pedeling Frank Francisco to the Reds or Red Sox for a couple of top prospects, while he looks so great.
“Recently, some leaks have come out that the Mets were planning to bring back Reyes only on a guaranteed 3-4 year deal with other option years attached that would vest based on games played or plate appearances.”
Quite right, and that would have been the right call. Once Reyes said he wasn’t listening to less than $100 million, that was the end of the line, and once the Marlins opened with six years, he was basically theirs.
I like how this is leaked from Alderson?? He is playing the game. Threw the media,telling David if you want to stay a Met,you have to prove to us your not injury prone.
Very close to the same things they said about Jose last year,and he proved it by going on the DL. Even Collins said he believes David will be playing this weekend? Its a test if he doesnt suck it up,in the managements eyes he is gone. Hope im wrong . But it sounds alot like last year?
i think the more that comes out about Alderson’s mind set the more people are going to see what he is really all about and it’s not going to be good for him.
It is obvious he didn’t want Reyes from day one and as time goes on we’re going to see if in fact he was able to make better moves the last couple of off season and simply refused to do so. We will find out in time if he did in fact purposely “punt the seasons for the big club”. The only thing that will save this guy’s butt for now is some WINS. But right now i think it’s fair to say that his team building skills are questionable to say the least.
This feels the same as it did with Reyes. Only the names have changed, not the dynamics. Tejada replaced Reyes, and I’m guessing Murphy will replace Wright. That’s that. I do feel some disappointment in how the organization strung us along while knowing what their true intentions were all along. I don’t mind a complete rebuild like they are obviously doing, but I would have appreciated some honesty from the new GM who is trying to build a bridge to a downtrodden fanbase.
Exactly the same!
Reyes won a Batting Title and had Career year during this AUDITION to se eif he earns an extention….
Did he get it? NO so what really is at play here not anything to do with Resigning Wright it is all about inspiring him to be better so Sandy can trade him for more kids because really thats all he is interested in.
He is turning this team into a Minor League development system for the rest of the MLB!
I also don’t know if Martino may have opened up a can of worms. There really isn’t much that wasn’t already known.
The Mets are waiting to see what type of season Wright has before making a decision on resigning him? No big surprise there.
Most Met executives did not view Reyes as a smart long-term investment? I believe it is fair to say that many fans at least were saying that they believed Reyes was not going to be offered a long term deal based on how the FO felt about such things. This I see as just something more that helps make the argument many fans were saying last year.
Regarding the leaks It was already known that though no official offer was made the parameters of a deal were well know by those involved. A 5-year deal with a vesting option for a 6th year that would reach $100M.
Considering some speculations had Wright being traded this Winter and others by the ASB this report about sources saying the Mets are taking a wait and see approach on Wright sounds like the most logical scenario.
Wright had a bad year in 2011 and at $15M a year it would behoove the Mets to see if it was a fluke or if Wright can get his game up to the standards that garnered him that $15M a year to begin with.
Hopefully Wright gets his game back and the Mets pick up his option and is part of this team for years to come but the 1st step is Wright showing last year was a fluke.
Yep not much we didn’t already know but what we knew was vigorously DENIED by a specific Wing of posters on this site because they didn’t like people pointing out the obvious that Sandy didn’t want Reyes, had NO INTENTION of signing him and as a result refused to make an offer in the hopes the Fans who wanted him resigned might blame Reyes for wanting too much when we will never know what he would have signed for here if an honest offer had been made!
We were told the same things regarding the WAIT AND SEE approach with Reyes who went on to have a Career Year and did it convince them to sign him? NO!
And now we move to Wright who JUST AS REYES is expected to prove he deserves a contract when we have already seen that What he actually does to PROVE his worthiness DOES NOT MATTER!
If winning the Batting Title and Being your teams leading RS guy is not deserving of an extention then what the hell will Wright have to do to be resigned?
We have seen this movie and we pretty much have seen this SAME SCRIPT play out once already!
And if we see any Re-Write this time around at BEST it will be what many here have predicted and got slammed for predicting….
Wright will be traded, not because he wants too much or because he didn’t EARN his payday but because this Front Office is not REALLY concerned with Long term competitive teams but in growing kids and playing Fantasy Baseball with one and two year deals on losers until such time as the Kids manage to overcome those scrubs where they too can be traded off for more kids!
Welcome to the NY Pirates Organization!
Agree that there really isn’t any new here that we haven’t already learned. Most Met fan knew Reyes wasn’t coming back but some held out hope. Once it got out he was looking for 100 mil, that fate was sealed.
Time to move on. Reyes has, as he recently stated he doesn’t miss playing here.
As to Wright, think it’s anyone’s guess what will happen there. Either way, I expect him to stay thru the end of the season.
It’s 04/13, you need to move on folks. Nothing but a post to fire up the Sandy haters.
But lets just add add some fuel to the fire
Hows that 100m working out so far? Not one walk yet, and been caught stealing twice. The paraplegic is looking pretty comfortable in Miami right now. Next stop DL with another hammy pull. Maybe it will happen in a night club while he is making it rain.
So this may have been a good baseball decision to let him walk? Hmmm…
As someone that was ecstatic that they let him walk, I can at least say it’s probably just a little too early to make that statement.
6 games into the season I think probably is a huge understatement.
Oh, I know. Just being silly.
Chimay Blue Label for me tonight.
You had to go there. I can’t get any of that monk stuff anywhere, looks awesome.
Picked up a growler last night from a local brewery (Flying Goose) of their black IPA. Didn’t realize until 11:30 that it was a 7 percent-er until I tried to stand up from the computer. Promptly googled their ABV. Might have to get some more tonight.
His splits are pretty crazy so far:
vs. Lefties 6 AB’s batting .500, 3 hits with a double and triple, 1 K
vs. Rightiess 24 AB’s batting .167, 4 hits with a double, 3 K’s
last year he had 126 AB’s vs lefties and batted .325 and 411 vs righties and batted .341
Last year Reyes won a Batting Title…Whats your point?
My point is he is having a slow start from the left side. That’s where his production comes from.
Try not to take the bait so hard.
What mnakes the left side more important than the right side?
What difference does it really make when you get on base more than one time in 3 PA?
And what difference does it make if you have no walks but maintain that OBP because you hit?
Are you admitting your post was a BAITING?
I admitted my post was baiting in the original post.
Look at his splits:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/5411/jose-reyes
Just in 2011 as a lefty 140 hits, 23 doubles, 14 Triples, 6 HR. As a righty 41 hits, 8 doubles, 2 Triples, 1 HR. Yes he had 3 times more AB’s on the left side but that is still where his power and better production is. If you look at his other years it is consistent theme.
You don’t refer to Reyes as a “paraplegic” if there isn’t a little bait.
He’s only payed 7 games. Who cares what his numbers are like now? He didn’t have a walk in his 1st 7 games last year either.
Because he doesn’t walk. Last season he ranked 117th in walks.
So what if he doesn’t walk? There’s plenty of good MLB players that don’t walk a lot, and Reyes is one of them.
and who the hell cares how much a Batting Leader walks. I mean seriously people this “walk” thing is getting completely out of hand. A certain segment of you Mets fans keep on worrying about things like “walks” and not pay attention to what what really is needed to win and that’s driving in runners in scoring positing, getting those RBIs – keep ignoring that and you’ll get plenty of long, boring games and walks…and last place too.
The Mets have had opportunities to drive in runs during those losses and were simply taking too many strikes, Ike for example. SWING THE BAT!
Reyes is not there to drive in runs, he is there to be driven in. To be driven in, you need to get on base. How do you get on base, you hit or you walk.
This will be the only time i respond to this idiot so i guess he may have a huge hard on cuz i responded to him since he’s ALWAYS following me around.
Reyes does BOTH. He’s a leadoff hitter who has to get on base anyway possible and he also has the ability to drive in runs. He’s a gap hitter with some power too and since he does not lead off every inning he must make the proper adjustment to drive in runs anytime he comes to bat during a game with runners in scoring position. He does not lead off every at bat, Reyes does double duty as a run producer and an RBI guy – he has the capability to do so. He is both. And if he comes to bat late in the game leading off an inning than he can go back to try and getting on base anyway he can.
Yawn…
Ahh, personal attacks. The easy road when ones intelligence can’t keep up with a discussion.
So if he is a RBI producer, would you deem last season as a failure in that regard? He had 44 RBI’s, just a couple more than Thole.
Ya know different players can approach the batters box in different ways. Baseball is not a one size fits all batting philosophy. If it was it would be a pretty boring sport.
the fact he had 44 RBIs last year means NOTHING. He has driven in 80 and around 70/60 RBIs before out of the leadoff spot. He IS that type of hitter so forget the numbers and think big picture all the time. Because he had just a few more RBIs than Thole means absolutely nothing and does not change the type of player Jose it, that just happens to be the type of year he had, etc. It does not change who he is, he is still a double duty leadoff / run producer and can be an RBI guy too.
Hey you lied. You said you were only going to respond to this idiot once.
Year – RBI
05-58
06-81
07-57
08-68
09-15
10-54
11-44
If his game was to drive in runs, he should of been placed in a different spot in the lineup. You don’t put a RBI guy batting behind your 2 worst hitters.
Rickey Henderson averaged the same amount of RBI’s. Do people give a damn about how many RBI’s Rickey Henderson had? That was the last stat people were looking at when deciding if he should get in the hall. People were looking at how he led the league in runs and SB many years. His job was to set the table, anything he drove in was just the cherry on top.
Yep and you only complained about the Walking not the OBing didn’t you?
Considering they started their season vs Stl, Cincy and the Phillies
Faced gys like Lohse. Hamels, Halladay and Blanton why shold they have gaudy numbers 7 games in?
Are thiose pitchers the type that walk alot of batters?
Note Reyes’s OBP is equal to his BA!
And he’s only three hits shy of thre team lead in Hits! Only Bonafacio and Infante have more!
So really whats your point again?
My point is he is having a slow start from the left side. That’s where his production comes from.
Remember when the guy says just the tip, never believe him.
Many of those good players don’t need to walk because their talents are based on other factors. Reyes’s talent is, his speed and causing havoc on the base-pads. He should be trying to get on base any way possible.
But Reyes’ talent isn’t just his speed. He’s also great hitter, and he has some pop, and plays very good defense.
Ah so it’s all about the Walks not the Hits Gary?
Wonder if that fits with the same things said abot OBP obsession around here?
His OBP was an awful .384 last season.
Yep what the OBP crowd fails to realize is it was because of that 330+ BA not his ability to walk that got him there!
I love how whenever a discussion about what Metric is better to judge hitting they all laim OBP is king and when it is pointed out that OBP is just adding walks they all cry no thats about hitting.
THEN when the OBP sucks all they crow about is the walks!
One day they will get their stories straight!
Vinny B, The core as usual salute you, pay no mind, that guy is nothing but a sandy/wright lover who hated reyes. he knows no baseball and noone in here take him seriously… Don’t waste your time…
How have you been able to come to the “Sandy Lover” conclusion? Still waiting for someone to provide that evidence.
Also, is my desire for the Mets to move on from Reyes, any different from your desire to move on from Wright. We both want our team to do better (at least I do, I ham having trouble understanding if you do or not), we just have different opinions of how to accomplish that.
And for that being taking seriously part. I don’t post enough here for the locals to know me, but I read enough here to see peoples opinions of your statements. Might need to look in a mirror buddy.
SaltyGary: How dare you be a fan of David Wright who is on the Mets and not of Jose Reyes who is… NOT on the Mets.
Well it’s different mostly because reyes had his best year last year and Wright had his worst!
How it is the same?
Well reyes was spposedly on AUDITION to see if he could EARN the payday and winning a batting title and being the team leader in RS wasn’t enough then what the hell can Wright possibly do to top that and earn a BIGGER contract than reyes got?
Cause fact facts if Reyes wasn’t worth the 6/106 Wright wold require even more than that!
He would without a raise be getting a 6/90 deal…
And we all know he is going to get a raise or at least 3 – 4 Mil making his contract to resign somewhere in the $114+ range!
So really tell us all what he could do this year that Reyes can’t that will make HIM worth that money in YOUR mind….
And of course, at the aid of an as***** always comes another as*****… No wonder, salty gary has let us all know who and how he is wishing reyes to get hurt etc while prasing his all american genius GM… That’s good enough for me to know who he is.. But of course, the other guy comes in his defend..
Wow personal insults and accusations of being a racist. At what point are you going to break the commenting rules of the site?
Maybe if you had respect for Joe and his site, you would just stick with baseball and keep your insecurities to yourself.
Wow personal insults and accusations of being against a player due to his culture, skin or where he grew up (would use the R word but it is blocked here). At what point are you going to break the commenting rules of the site?
Maybe if you had respect for Joe and his site, you would just stick with baseball and keep your insecurities to yourself.
And again PLEASE PLEASE find me my Sandy loving comments.
Alex68 implying that somebody on this board is racist may be the funniest/most ironic thing I’ve seen on the internet all week. I guess it “takes one to know one” after all!
and especially if your a team like the Mets if you waste your time taking so many close pitches just to walk you’re going to leave a lot of runners on base. The Mets are a team than cannot afford to do that. They are a team that must FORCE the issue, not leave it for the next guy
From the moment he darkened our doorstep I knew Alderson was going to let Reyes walk. I said it all last year. Now he’s starting to do it with Wright. At least he’s not Omar Minaya right?