Did it ever occurr to you that one of the reasons why we had all those injuries was because the guys who got hurt was trying to win a season full of games everyday and drove thier body to injury?

Unless you can say how much weight or what might have changed due to losing to make those players worse than they were last season I don’t see how you can assume they would be worse, Past history says they should have been better and if 2008 had any affect on them it may have been to cause the injuries because they tried to win that last game in April they didn’t win in september!

You can’t say by any stretch that the planned 2009 team was worse than the 2008 one unless you knew those injuries were happening!

So you try and steal the first one while not wearing down the team and then hope the better pitcher makes splitting or sweeping a little easier and with less effort.

Like I said doesn’t really matter who started as no pitcher was going to win either game!
They didn’t score enough run in both games combined to win either game!
Sure better starting pitching could have helped but our Bullpen was already overtaxed by Santana’s last short outing and Dickey consecutive shortie!

That double header was doomed before it even started! You need to have a completely rested up Pen and we didn’t have it. And like I said even if we did scoring one run a game and 3 on the day is not going to win you much even WITH good pitching!

2009 wasn’t bad because the team we had sucked but because we didn’t have the team we had for most of it!
And those injuries continued through 2010 in regards to Beltran who was our most dangerous bat!

The only mistake was in saying they needed a power hitter in 2010 when what they really needed was a good starting pitcher!
If the game takahashi/perex/maine pitvched in were pitched by a solid ACE or even good SP 2010 is a playoff season as well!

11 more wins puts them tied in the wildcard! 12 wins gets them in!
Thats easy to get from an Ace! Especially considering you would have Takahashi constantly in your pen to relieve the other guys better than what we had!
Add a few more Wins in those games as well!

2010 wasn’t as horrible of a team as we make it out to be. It just came right after the disaster of 2009 and didn’t help the psyche!
Biggest issue with 2010 was not letting Beltran have the operation when he origninally wanted, then he would have been fully rehabbed by 2010 and probably given you what you got from in in 2011 for two more years!

Better would have been to pitch Santana the second game and push Gee back.
But I guess they just thought an extra day for Santana wasn’t a bad thing to give him.

And I can see putting the unknown first and saving your best for the second game.

Even with good pitching they don’t win either of those games so who pitched really isn’t important when you come right down to it!

Hefner was part of the Taxi Squad if I’m not mistaken. So losing him for the next 5 days was inconsequential. But saving Bautista so he can relieve the rest of the week wold have been better. At least for the rest of the Pen maybe not for the chances of winning whatever game he came into.

What I am advocating is that they should have done a better job on roster construction after 2006 and instead of going all in on guys like Alou should have focused on the entire roster. Instead of must spending their entire wads on the “name” player and back filing, they should have been developing, making trades and getting good role players instead of looking for the next aging star to come into FA. What a difference there could have been if they had spread that Perez, Castillo, Bay cash around? The team had a 145M payroll, they should have had better results. I know injuries tanked some of that time but what makes us think that 2009 would have been different than 2008?

the reality is, there is only so much detail yo can go into for a live game.

The point I raised has nothing to do with their play by play or objectivity with something that happens on the field. But what I am talking about has nothing to do with this. It was about the discussions petaining to the farm system and Jose’s return. These were definately somethiing prepared in advance for the broadcast – and as I said, that is fine with me since they are of course topics related to the Mets

But it sounded too rehearsed and for reasons of a selling point. The points were being hammered in over and over again – about the Mets “rebuilding” and Jose “leaving” The conversation did not appear spontaneous and sounded more as public relations spin than an open discussion. Usually there is a little bit of disagreement between them or issues raised to point out possible problems — there was none of that last night.

For example: Zach Wheeler is really pitching great for the Bees but Keith and Gary made it a point to say that so far he has the better control between him, Harvey and Familia. As we know, control has been the main problem with Zach. Last season he walked 52 batters in 115 innings. So far in 15 innings this year he has only walked five which indeed shows great improvement on it’s own – but add to that the already hit four batters and that is nine reaching base in 15 innings due to wildness. Last season in those 115 innings he only hit 6.

Regarding Jose, there was no mention about the Mets wanting him to stay. They also downplayed the issue of fans being upset with the video tribute and that it was more a story fabricated by talk show hosts simply to make a story. I’ve heard them take issue with a reporter and a specific story but never heard them ever make a blanket statement that the media was creating “news from nowhere” as Marshall McCluhen once put it. And, as we know, just by MMO alone there is a deep divide on the issue.

It was so unlike the trio to ignore certain important points of information that comes into play about both subjects, This, the unusual length of time spent on these issues plus the fact that we all know the Wilpons will try any method of spin to sell tickets is why I think this wasn’t a frank discussion but more a public relations blitz.

Don’t forget who they work for SNY and part of that also means promotion.

Truth is they should have started the guy who relieved Bautista!
Why didn’t they and save Bautista for the pen?

Tell me though…Would rebuilding have made those year better or worse?
Would buying a frontline starter be better or worse?

We can all talk about what spending then cost us now but what has not spending cost us in the meantime?

You still have no guantee of success later the only difference is you LIVE through the suck and have hope as opposed to have the hope and have to live with the maybe of a suck later on!

In both cases there is suck involved, now or later no real difference because team success is always cyclical and what goes around comes around!

Only team to beat that so far are the Yankees who are in it EVERY year….
How do they do that?
How many years ago was their rebuild? the Mid 90′s?

You see the spending doesn’t HAVE to lead you to years of suck provided you keep on spending and keep on adding to your team so when guys you did spend on don’t perform you can dump them without worrying about how much money is wasted because the remaining guys still pack them in because they are winning games he wasn’t winning for you!

Suck now or suck later your still sucking at some point!
But at least the early winning stops all the complaints about the pastr 25 years!

The problem with this team isn’t that they spent in 2005-2008 it was that they stopped short before they won something!

If they had won a WS between 2006 and 2008 would we be having the same conversation right now?
And all it would have taken is an additional 25 Mil per year! A Halladay or Lee!
Maybe even sabathia!

And sure the last years of those contracts could be wasted money!
But it will be Wilpon money wasted not ours!