23
2012
Gee Rocked, Mets Go Down 7-2, Giants Sweep Doubleheader
An article by Former Writers
Recap
Another starter slammed by the Giants. Dillon Gee gave up seven runs and a career-high 12 hits in 6 2-3 innings. He gets his second loss of the season and has an ERA of 5.21 now. Yikes.
Acosta and Parnell combined for 2.1 one hit innings. At least our bullpen was solid.
Duda had an 0-fer in the first game and got two hits this time. Turner and Murphy get the only Mets RBI.
Jason Bay was 1-for-2 before leaving the game with a bruised rib cage after diving for a fly ball.
Jordany Valdespin popped out to short after swinging at the first pitch he saw in a pinch hitting appearance.
Ike had a pinch hit at-bat and went 0-1. That’s 0-5 with three Ks today. Valley Fever, anyone?
Six hits, four walks, fifteen left on. Same story as the first game.
Notes
Andres Torres went 3-4 with three singles and one RBI for the Port St. Lucie Mets.
Goat of the Game
Gee got rocked today.
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Johan Santana tries to rebound for the Mets against Johnson, Reyes and the Marlins.
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Game 2 wasn’t much better than Game 1. Bumgardner pitched like a guy who had only given up 3 runs over his last 13 1/3 innings. Going 7 while giving up just 1 run on 3 hits. He sure didn’t need the ump’s help though the ump tried with that Ike at bat.
Mets have lost 5 of last 6 games and are .500 with the fish coming in 2morrow. All they can do is keep fighting through this. Starting 2morrow with the fish.
Small positive was the 2 1/3 scoreless innings the pen gave in game 2 combined with game 1 gives them 7 2/3 scoreless innings on the day. Duda 2 for 2.
2moorow Fishies.
LGM!!!
Mets just couldn’t get the big hit today. Ike is starting to show how big a choker he is. He’s never had the propoensity to get the big hit in his career at all and it’s magnified when no one else is hitting. In their defense, it’s not like the Giants were throwing Heckle and Jeckle out there, but the offense couldn’t get anything going.
On the bright side, we can all revel in Reyes’s early slump tomorrow.
Do valley fever side effects make you unable to hit a fastball or curveball?Ike is in the land of the lost and the Mets are becoming unwatchable.Just seems like if David Wright does not get 3 hits we have no chance to win a game.Can’t wait till Wright is dumped by Alderson and there will be 2500 people in the stands to watch this quadruple A team in action.I’m praying my Rangers win a game seven and i don’t have to watch these snorefests for a few more weeks
Didn’t it seem that the Mets weren’t much motivated tonight, playing in front of a small crowd on a cold, damp dreary late afternoon and evening? That’s the impression I got. Even though both starters got us in a hole early, that’s no excuse for letting up – or giving up. Four very sloppy games against the Giants and we were lucky to have come out with even one victory. It’s not a good sign, especially after the 4-0 start we have since gone 4-8.
I’m not worried about mistakes made by the kids for those are simply growing pains. But I am concerned about the lack of team morale, which many of us thought we noticed during the spring, appearing to be slowly spouting itself once again If ever the kids needed some veteran leadership to help them get out of this mini-funk and back on the right track – especially with Duda and Davis regarding the confidence factor – it’s needed now. I just don’t know if it’s there with our key veterans like David and Johann not knowing if they will be out the door come this July. So I suggest that, at least in David’s case, begin talks with his agent now, even if they are just exploratory.
Everybody was excited the other day because we had 8 home grown players in the starting lineup..Just like the Kansas City Royals.Starting to get the same results as the Royals.I agree with Joe D.The effort was not there tonite.At least when Reyes was in the lineup he provided excitement and a reason to stay tuned to the game.They look like a sinking ship.Don’t worry Captiain Alderson won’t let us sink.Yech!!.
“At least when Reyes was in the lineup he provided excitement and a reason to stay tuned to the game.They look like a sinking ship”
Gary, Jose Reyes is long gone and a marlin.. I love him as a player, and was my fav met.. But he’s gone.. We’ll have to wait and tune in for the next guy who can come in and be like him or better.. I am amazed at how tejada is playing, i think we’d be a really good team with both of them there..
Amen, the same could have been said when the Mets had Tom or Straw or Mike… It was fun while they lasted, it’s time to move on to the next group and get behind them the same way we did Reyes. Tejada has enough pressure on him so instead of constantly comparing him to Reyes, lets enjoy him for what he is. To me he reminds me of a young Alfonzo. He will never have that pop but he seems to be the ultimate professional and I like that.
Brutal games to watch. Ike is in the twilight zone. Who knows what we’ll get from Johan.
Not a surprise. Even when they were 7-3, their pythagorean w-l was 5-5. They aren’t that good. There’s no bench, the offense has holes. The bullpen will wear down.
Trust me, when guys like Dillon Gee, Mike Baxter and Justin Turner aren’t on this roster, you will know that things are turning a corner.
Ohhh boy… Is it just me or that 4-0 start by the mets seem like it was an eternity ago???
What can be said about this team that wasn’t said before?? this team was pegged to be in last place because of all the question marks… It’s not easy to overachieve all season…
Ike davis looks LOST at the plate, you kinda wonder if the league caught up to him, or he’s pressuring based on what people were expecting out of him etc..We as fans put expectations on this players that were beyond dreamable. we got caught up on a good start to forget what this players have been in their career or in case of others what they haven’t been and we labeled them to be.. I hope we can turn it around but it’s not looking good right now..Offense not coming trough, SP getting BOMBED, Bullpen falting, defense shaky as hell, i mean, it seems everything is going wrong in last 6 games…
Yeah….basically 4 or 5 rosters spots are filled by guys that aren’t really major leaguers. If you think Justin Turner and Mike Baxter are major leaguers, you’re an idiot.
Baxter I agree on. Turner I think is fine for what he is supposed to be. He’s a RH IF backup and PH. If you look around the NL those guys are bad on almost every team. Those two however are not what are hurting the Mets. The lack of production from Ike and Duda is killing us.
I was wandering through the desert this morning and said this, doesn’t sound like me huh? I have had a rough few days so my Alex side is showing through
Here’s our fear. It’s not what happens THIS year if Ike and Duda struggle it’s what happens the next 5 years if Ike and Duda are not MLB regulars? Uh Oh…. That’s the same fear that goes along with what happens if Harvey, Wheeler, Familia and Mejia are Generation Next instead of young studs? I know on a morning like this it’s easy to be pessimistic and I hope that’s all it is but those dreams of the new core(tm) could turn into nightmares just as easy. For now, Go Ike, Go Duda because there is NO one even close in the system that can replace what you guys are supposed to bring.
Lol, Thought you like that… But agree on what you said, this is why some of us criticize what guys like alderson do, if the young studs we have in the minors fail to come through in the majors you’re basically the Pirates or the royals. they rarely sign free agents, when they do they have to overpay for them because NOONE wants to play there because they wait around for the studs to come up big for them, but if they fail then they’re set 2 3 more years back.. I hope ike can turn it around, without that middle of the lineup thumping, this team is dead.. hence more pressure on other players to perform above expectation, bringing more pressure to them as it is..
I never doubted that. What we disagree on is Sandy’s ability to change any of that yet. There was no way we had the money to go out and replace Ike and Duda and honestly even if they had re-signed Reyes if Duda and Davis were still stinking it up we would still lose. For now we are just kind of stuck in hope mode.
Lets say they found a pot of gold and re-signed Reyes and signed Buerhle. What would they have? One more win? Tops?
TRS, thing is, let’s say we would’ve had buehrle and reyes, trust me, the team could’ve had 1 more win, but sometimes that 1 more win NOW can pay divident in september
Defensively our team could’ve been better up the middle, specially at 2B, our SP would’ve been stronger, instead of throwing batista as a spot up starter we might’ve had gee, or pelf, i think our team would’ve been better from the get go i guarantee you that…
So all we needed was to come up with an extra 35-40 million and then we MIGHT have had one more win. With those two on board Alex what would have been your most optimistic record on the season? No bullcrap either.
Don’t forget you would be taking out Murphy’s bat .320 BA with .400 OBP. I know his defense is bad…
You would also have taken either Pelfrey or Gee’s good starts away.
“, if the young studs we have in the minors fail to come through in the majors you’re basically the Pirates or the royals.”
Not really. We have owners that will spend money.
Let me ask yo uthis: Who is doing mroe damage to the Mets right now due to underperforming Lucas Duda or Jason Bay? Who is easier to move on from if we determine him a bust?
And that is what you and others don’t seem to be getting. If you do a good job of building your farm, yo ucan survive a busted prospect because you can just bring the enxt guy along or sign a fill in for the short term.
A long term big money free agent who busts out on the other hand is an anchor on your team.
C, Ike Davis. LOL.
There is a reason most analysts predicted the Mets to finish last and south of .500.
Middle of the lineup is doing nothing right now. So when the pitching isn’t almost perfect, you’re going to get what we saw last night.
Yup, we are going to go through a stretch eventually (most likely) where the offense keeps us in games, then the pitching. Who knows if either will ever be hot at the same time.
Everybody raves about the young talent the Nats have and for good reason.But they also brought in big free agents like Werth, Laroche, Gio Gonzalez and signed Zimmerman to a 100 mill deal for 6 years.Thinking you can win without adding any stars will make us the Kansas City Royals of the National League.I despise the Wilponzis and their benefactor Selig for putting this kind of a team on the field in a major market.That said ,it is imperative Johan lasts more tha 4 outs tonite.Hey Alex 68, I have a ticket for tomorrow to see my favorite Met ,Jose Reyes in the flesh.I hope he goes 4 for 4.
OK I am going to leave the fact that you are cheering for the other team alone. Well almost (I can’t help but remind you that Reyes is not a Met)
That being said, like the Mets haven’t done the same as the Nats at times and it backfired. It’s not like the Nats have gotten good value out of Werth yet. We tried the same with Bay. We traded for Johan, we signed players to big deals.
TRS – I’m not going to comment on what someone else did, just pointing out that your noting of what we did backfiring on us is dishonest at best. No one thought it was a backfire in 2006-2008 and thats three long years! 2009 and 2010 are both the product of one set of injuries. 2011 was an injury season too with Santana missing. It was those injuries that made those salaries unaffordable due to lack of attendance not due to over spending.
Bay is the only contract of any worth that was truly a waste and the wrong deal at the wrong time.
As you can see no matter what philosophy you use it CAN backfire. Moneyball backfired on Oakland, Can’t say the Pirates plan hasn’t backfired on them either.
To equate the philosophy with the backfire is just circumstantial accusation.
There is plenty of evidence of teams spending and it not backfiring on them (Yankees) and teams Spending in the middle and succeeding (Cardinals).
About the only philosophy that has ALWAYS backfired is the non-spender philosophy.
Never once has a bottom 5 Payroll team won a world series!
Now I’m not suggesting you SHOULD buy yourself a WS but It HAS been done successfully. It isn’t a long term plan but it does keep your fans coming to the park instead of complaining about what you haven’t done regarding the WS for 25 years!
And maybe that is enough to keep the attendance for a year or two while you rebuild.
As for Davis and Duda they are going to be fine no need to panic. Even if they were hitting to their average they were never going to overcome a 6+ run deficit from our starters!
We started out 6th and 5th starters yesterday and got swept in a doubleheader. WOW what a shock right?
Bullpen couldn’t save us yesterday as I once pointed out all the pen in the world can’t hold a team with a 5 run lead!
we need staring pitching and maybe Harvey and Familia fill that hole next year but no guarantees. Maybe Wheeler fills it in two years but still no guarantee!
And even if they do fill that role it will still require one true ACE which means spending.
Spending did NOT backfire on us. Spending does not backfire anymore than NOT spending does, Backfires Less than not spending in fact!
So we need to get over this spending phobia, Sandy himself said he had the money to improve at the deadline last year and decided it wasn’t worth it!
And if things keep going the way they are we will be 7.5 games out of the Wilcard in July yet again!
And if you think this team is bad without Davis and Duda hitting imagine what it will be like without Wright when Sandy trades him off for something 4 years from now!
I didn’t say it was doomed or they shouldn’t have signed those guys. I am saying that using the Nats model and saying the Mets should do that is faulty because the Mets are/have done that. Just like the Rays built on their own misfortune so did the Nats. They did not spend any significant money or make any significant trades either until they stunk long enough to get Zimmerman, Straus and Harper. So saying things like the Mets should go out and sign Werth, trade for Gio and sign LaRoache? That is basically what they did do and it didn’t work. Doesn’t matter WHY it didn’t work, it didn’t work.
Right and i worked for 3 long years…
Maybe if they had gone the extra mile and bought a starter the way the other successful spenders have we would not be complaining about that spending right now because we would have a WS under our belt!
Metsie how can you say it worked those 3 years? 2006 was a dream year, many of the players had career years. Yeah 2007 and 2008 had some exciting moments but under normal years those records are nothing to dream about. Were they better than 2009-2011 teams? Sure but the failures of those 2007 and 2008 teams had a price.
Well dude I don’t know what to tell you other than the Phillies in 2008 only won 92 games!
Does 89 seem so bad when that is taken into account?
Cubs won 97 Dodgers less than us at 84.
If not for the Brewers winning one more game we would have made the playoffs!
Tell me though…Would rebuilding have made those year better or worse?
Would buying a frontline starter be better or worse?
We can all talk about what spending then cost us now but what has not spending cost us in the meantime?
You still have no guantee of success later the only difference is you LIVE through the suck and have hope as opposed to have the hope and have to live with the maybe of a suck later on!
In both cases there is suck involved, now or later no real difference because team success is always cyclical and what goes around comes around!
Only team to beat that so far are the Yankees who are in it EVERY year….
How do they do that?
How many years ago was their rebuild? the Mid 90′s?
You see the spending doesn’t HAVE to lead you to years of suck provided you keep on spending and keep on adding to your team so when guys you did spend on don’t perform you can dump them without worrying about how much money is wasted because the remaining guys still pack them in because they are winning games he wasn’t winning for you!
Suck now or suck later your still sucking at some point!
But at least the early winning stops all the complaints about the pastr 25 years!
The problem with this team isn’t that they spent in 2005-2008 it was that they stopped short before they won something!
If they had won a WS between 2006 and 2008 would we be having the same conversation right now?
And all it would have taken is an additional 25 Mil per year! A Halladay or Lee!
Maybe even sabathia!
And sure the last years of those contracts could be wasted money!
But it will be Wilpon money wasted not ours!
I did not say they should have started rebuilding after 2006 or 2007. After 2008 though that team actually wasn’t that good to start with. They were clearly affected by the 1st collapse and were constantly waiting for the next shoe to drop.
What I am advocating is that they should have done a better job on roster construction after 2006 and instead of going all in on guys like Alou should have focused on the entire roster. Instead of must spending their entire wads on the “name” player and back filing, they should have been developing, making trades and getting good role players instead of looking for the next aging star to come into FA. What a difference there could have been if they had spread that Perez, Castillo, Bay cash around? The team had a 145M payroll, they should have had better results. I know injuries tanked some of that time but what makes us think that 2009 would have been different than 2008?
After 2008….you mean before 2009 started?
2009 wasn’t bad because the team we had sucked but because we didn’t have the team we had for most of it!
And those injuries continued through 2010 in regards to Beltran who was our most dangerous bat!
The only mistake was in saying they needed a power hitter in 2010 when what they really needed was a good starting pitcher!
If the game takahashi/perex/maine pitvched in were pitched by a solid ACE or even good SP 2010 is a playoff season as well!
11 more wins puts them tied in the wildcard! 12 wins gets them in!
Thats easy to get from an Ace! Especially considering you would have Takahashi constantly in your pen to relieve the other guys better than what we had!
Add a few more Wins in those games as well!
2010 wasn’t as horrible of a team as we make it out to be. It just came right after the disaster of 2009 and didn’t help the psyche!
Biggest issue with 2010 was not letting Beltran have the operation when he origninally wanted, then he would have been fully rehabbed by 2010 and probably given you what you got from in in 2011 for two more years!
Yet I am saying Metsie that even without the injuries in 2009 we were not assured to be a good team and were not a good team most of 2008. With the exception of a 10 game winning streak and a 10/11 streak they were basically a .500 team which is exactly what they played like in September that season. They were clearly feeling the effects of the collapse most of 2008 and after failing in 2008, a healthy 2009 was not destined to produce a team much better than .500 IMO.
Without the injuries we are no worse than we were in 2008 which was one game shy of the playoffs!
You can’t say by any stretch that the planned 2009 team was worse than the 2008 one unless you knew those injuries were happening!
I just don’t think you are weighing the mental impact of those two Septembers enough.
How much did it weigh? 2 Pounds?
And why wouldn’t coming close and missing make them even more determined to win like it did the Braves and the Phillies after their consecutive falling shorts?
Did it ever occurr to you that one of the reasons why we had all those injuries was because the guys who got hurt was trying to win a season full of games everyday and drove thier body to injury?
Unless you can say how much weight or what might have changed due to losing to make those players worse than they were last season I don’t see how you can assume they would be worse, Past history says they should have been better and if 2008 had any affect on them it may have been to cause the injuries because they tried to win that last game in April they didn’t win in september!
2003 Marlins had the 4th lowest payroll in MLB
Werth has been useless, Gonzalez was acquired in a trade, and Adam LaRoche is a serviceable 1B at best.
And the Zimmerman deal is kind of what many of us have been advocating, although I think 6 years is a bit too long.
You can keep crying about being the Royals or Pirates despite the fact that our owners are willing to spend money, but I’m sick and tired of being the damn Cubs.
Agreed, the better comparison is the Cubs or even O’s and M’s. How can you be the Pirates or Royals with a payroll near 100M? Sure the payroll is inflated by guys like Bay and Johan but that doesn’t change the payroll.
Something just didn’t seem right last night- and I don’t mean with the doubleheader loss we just suffered. It was about both the broadcast talk about Familia, Harvey and Wheeler on SNY and the continued discussion and tweets regarding tonight’s video tribute to Jose.
Now, neither subject is so unusual but I got the feeling both were very carefully orchestrated public relations ploys more than innocent discussions about our prospects down under and the return of the most popular Met to Citi Field. I sensed the underlying purpose was to spin the “rebuilding” card – not to hype any additional ticket sales – but to rather counteract the growing fan disgust with the moves on the major league level and to put the onus on Jose, rather than ownership, for him not being a Met.
Again, it’s not the subject matter that got my attention but rather the unusual amount of air time extended to each. I don’t ever recall talk of our farm system dominating the conversation to the point that it made the play by play and concentration on the field seem secondary. The comments about Jose no longer being a Met only focused on it being his decision to leave – with no mention about the front office at all (i.e., never making an offer or showing any interest in actually re-signing him or even just simply not being able to offer Jose the money he was seeking).
Then, Gary and Ron used the phrase “manufactured outrage”, alluding to the media trying to to create a story about fan anger about the video tribute that wasn’t there. Again, none of the selected tweets or any part of the discussion ever hinted about a fan outrage directed toward ownership. It was also obvious that the Mets were trying to milk Jose’s return as much as possible for ticket sales (no problem with me on that one BTW).
It’s just that the words seemed neither genuine or sincere and with one purpose in mind – to again sell ownership’s case about rebuilding to the fans. Too much time was spent on the subject (which ties into Jose Reyes) and this made Gary, Keith (game one) and Ron (game two) in my eyes come across as homers — trying to present the company line as independent opinion – something that angers us with the Yankee broadcasters no end.
Now, I am also aware of my shortcomings when it comes to the front office and it’s intentions and admit I might not be looking at this objectively. It’s just that based on their past track record (covering up injuries, contradicting statements about their financial shape, etc) it doesn’t seem so off base as Audrey Huff was this past Saturday.
I disagree. Keith and Ron would have no part in toeing the company line. I think what the issue was that with both games being blow outs early what else do you have to talk about? It’s basically like both games became call in shows LOL. Just pointless babble trying to keep the viewers watching. What else were they going to say? “Well there’s another strike out from Ike” Boy he’s struggling…” “Yup”. They have already had time to discuss all that in length.
No, SNY guys don’t do that. GKR, Bobby O, all of them, have openly criticized the players and management.
Even when I disagree with what they are saying, I truly believe they are saying what is on their minds. Their comments may be more measured and reserved than what you would see here or other fan sites and twitter etc, but that is because they are professionals who need to keep a certain amount of decorum and can’t afford to be reactionary screamers.
Agreed. I think that may not apply to Gary as much because he knows he is the most replaceable. Keith and Ron? LOL like they have to have this Mets gig.
Ronnie already had a career as broadcaster before he came here. and he still does the nationally televised games and the playoffs for TBS.
Well Gary is the glue that keeps that broadcast all together…
He’s the one who gets them talking (especially Keith!) Watch sometime and you can go an entire two or three innings and forget Hernandez is there! (and many times he is not! LOL)
I didn’t much care for him when he was on Radio (and Murphy didn’t like him all that much either, too much periphery talk not enough focus on the game at hand! Murphy even tried to get rid of him to do the games alone!)
But he is much better on TV where you don’t need to describe the game since it is there in pictures and what he does banter about is more suited to that type of broadcast.
I doubt highly he could get in trouble for anything he says and only the ratings will skewer him!
And that won’t be so much his fault but lack of caring about the team!
Oh I agree, Gary is great and he is the glue. Just saying out of the three he is the one most likely concerned about job security.
Agree.
Well Joey I will just point out that they were on the air for a VERY LONG TIME! (Doubleheaders are the worst TV gigs you can get I can tell you from experience!)
They had an awful lot of time to fill yesterday and there is only so much you can say about each player before you see the same movie twice.
With reyes coming to town and it being the subject of their tweets was a smart producing move from a TV standpoint, You can get an hour of content just reading the 1000s of tweets that got posted.
It’s been my experience that the team pretty much leaves the SNY crew alone. They trash at will and never once do you hear about trouble coming from it!
Some players get upset but never hear management taking issue with the criticism.
They are not shills by any means (want to hear shilling listen to a Yankee game sometime!) but they do have their regularly scheduled promotional material for every game and two games in a row will expose and make you notice just how much promotion is done during any given game times two!
So I would not agree with your feeling that they seem to be doing more PR work than someone else.
Like I said try listening to a Yankee game sometime, they could be down 10-0 and the annoucers will still sound like the Yankees are the ones up by 10!
And that nothing the yankees do is ever wrong!
When you hear their broadcasts you wonder why the SNY crew still has jobs for being so critical of anything that deserves criticism!
Basically what I said. What else was there to talk about to garner interest other than Familia’s outing and Reyes coming to town?
With some of these games over the past several seasons, GKR is sometimes the only reason to keep tuned in. As you pointed out, I think they do a fine job of bringing up the week’s baseball topics, giving their opinions, without being over the top one way or the other.
Yesterday, they discussed everything from Reyes return to Bobby V and the Red Sox’s issues.
Gee does not have any plus pitches in his repertoire and when he cant throw his change for strikes it’s over for him. Collins is warped, he pulls Pelfrey when he’s dealing and leaves Gee in there when he’s out out of gas and cant find the plate.
Why do you think he left Gee in? Could it be the fact that they had played a double header with no off day today?
Neither did Rick Reed…
He left Gee in because Gee has to work himself out of his issues and why blow pen on a game that was pretty much lost already?
Lets face facts it’s not like our pen is any better at holding teams than our Starters are at this point!
Not only that but they turn around and play the Marlins today with Johan on the mound. Gee was a lame duck there, he was going his 100 pitches hell or high water.
That game was less important to winning than it was in getting Gee worked out if you ask me…
Pull him and you may save one game, leave him in and get him sorted wins 15-20 games!
Truth is they should have started the guy who relieved Bautista!
Why didn’t they and save Bautista for the pen?
I would have started Hefner as well. See what he had. If he tanked early, there was always Batista to fall back on.
Starting Batista was kind of a waste. We know what he can do….or more to the point, what he cannot do.
Sorry….I meant starting Hefner in game one instead of Batista.
I had no problem with starting Gee in the nightcap.
I knew what you meant Srt…
It just makes more sense to give Hefner his game in the Majors and if he runs into trouble then you can go to Bautista.
Hefner was part of the Taxi Squad if I’m not mistaken. So losing him for the next 5 days was inconsequential. But saving Bautista so he can relieve the rest of the week wold have been better. At least for the rest of the Pen maybe not for the chances of winning whatever game he came into.
Honestly I don’t know why they didn’t start Gee for the first game. Then you know exactly what guys you will need in the pen. If you win the first game then you can start Hefner as basically a game to play with.
I don’t know that pitching Gee first would have made much of a difference really.
Pitching him second was more like a normal schedule compared to pitching him in the early game which started earlier than normal.
Better would have been to pitch Santana the second game and push Gee back.
But I guess they just thought an extra day for Santana wasn’t a bad thing to give him.
And I can see putting the unknown first and saving your best for the second game.
Even with good pitching they don’t win either of those games so who pitched really isn’t important when you come right down to it!
I guess no point in arguing this one but to me you play to win the first one in a double header each time and then let the chips fall in the 2nd one. (Not saying you don’t play to win the 2nd one but you get what I am saying).
six of one half dozen of other if you ask me…
Sure you want to win the first one but not at the expense of wearing out your team.
No matter what happens in the first game the second one becomes important!
So you try and steal the first one while not wearing down the team and then hope the better pitcher makes splitting or sweeping a little easier and with less effort.
Like I said doesn’t really matter who started as no pitcher was going to win either game!
They didn’t score enough run in both games combined to win either game!
Sure better starting pitching could have helped but our Bullpen was already overtaxed by Santana’s last short outing and Dickey consecutive shortie!
That double header was doomed before it even started! You need to have a completely rested up Pen and we didn’t have it. And like I said even if we did scoring one run a game and 3 on the day is not going to win you much even WITH good pitching!
Obviously the end result would not have mattered in hindsight but most likely starting Hefner wouldn’t have mattered either.
Not for that game but maybe todays game it would!
Bautista is unavailable today most likely. That puts us a Pitcher short if we have to go to extra innings or Johan has another bad/short outing.
Don’t get me wrong, I very much like Gary, Keith and Ron.
The point I raised has nothing to do with their play by play or objectivity with something that happens on the field. But what I am talking about has nothing to do with this. It was about the discussions petaining to the farm system and Jose’s return. These were definately somethiing prepared in advance for the broadcast – and as I said, that is fine with me since they are of course topics related to the Mets
But it sounded too rehearsed and for reasons of a selling point. The points were being hammered in over and over again – about the Mets “rebuilding” and Jose “leaving” The conversation did not appear spontaneous and sounded more as public relations spin than an open discussion. Usually there is a little bit of disagreement between them or issues raised to point out possible problems — there was none of that last night.
For example: Zach Wheeler is really pitching great for the Bees but Keith and Gary made it a point to say that so far he has the better control between him, Harvey and Familia. As we know, control has been the main problem with Zach. Last season he walked 52 batters in 115 innings. So far in 15 innings this year he has only walked five which indeed shows great improvement on it’s own – but add to that the already hit four batters and that is nine reaching base in 15 innings due to wildness. Last season in those 115 innings he only hit 6.
Regarding Jose, there was no mention about the Mets wanting him to stay. They also downplayed the issue of fans being upset with the video tribute and that it was more a story fabricated by talk show hosts simply to make a story. I’ve heard them take issue with a reporter and a specific story but never heard them ever make a blanket statement that the media was creating “news from nowhere” as Marshall McCluhen once put it. And, as we know, just by MMO alone there is a deep divide on the issue.
It was so unlike the trio to ignore certain important points of information that comes into play about both subjects, This, the unusual length of time spent on these issues plus the fact that we all know the Wilpons will try any method of spin to sell tickets is why I think this wasn’t a frank discussion but more a public relations blitz.
Don’t forget who they work for SNY and part of that also means promotion.
Sorry but I am calling BS on this one. I saw nothing different than normal other than the fact they were on the air for 7 hours of bad baseball. I think you are just reading too much into it.
Could have been a lot worse. Last week, Josh and Howie had a discussion about Josh’s favorite EPL soccer teams. And these wer the radio guys who need to describe what is happening in more detail.
the reality is, there is only so much detail yo can go into for a live game.