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	<title>Comments on: D3Po Speaks Bocce At BP: 411 On Edgin, Nimmo, &#8216;Spin, More&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Joey D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some notes.

Paul had no regrets not having Jose any more or that he is with a division rival.  He said:

- &quot;this is New York!!! There would be no better place to do something special than right here, and that’s our focus.&quot;

How many out there said let Jose walk for the sake of a new challenge?


Then when it came to the issue of money: 

- &quot;A lot of the reports on our finances have been exaggerated.&quot;

We weren&#039;t the ones who said we could not go after more costly free agents due to  $70 million in losses and losing money since 2009.


Then when it came to investing more in the draft picks Paul mentioned:

- &quot;Ownership allowed us (even encouraged us) to be as aggressive as ever last year in the amateur market, and they continue to support our long-term vision.&quot;

The Mets were 14th (middle of the road) with signing bonuses this past draft spending
$6,782,500.  Thats about 33% more than the $4.72 million in 2010 with Omar. Glad to see that, but aggressive? 

The average team spent $7.6 million.  Many &quot;rebuiding&quot; clubs paid more than we did in 2011 and spent more than they did the previous year., i.e., the Cubs doubled the amount they spent the previous year. The Padres and Mariners both spent 2.5 times more and even the pirates spent 80% more.  

That doesn&#039;t mean their draft picks were better than ours, of course, but compared to other teams needing to rebuild, that&#039;s not a hell of a lot in comparision.


And then about his years in San Diego and his draft picks based more on analysis after starting out in Cleveland:

- &quot;That said, while I was scouting, I was acutely aware of my lack of experience. Because of that, I was trying to make sense of what I was seeing and attempting to somehow contribute to the conversation. The analysis allowed me to do that.&quot;

Well, since Paul joined the Padres in June of 2006, look at the results of the team as he took it over and then in the framework of the time he had to place his stamp on it with both draft picks, trades and signings (around 2008 and forward):

2006: 88-74
2007: 89-74
2008: 68-94
2009: 75-87
2010: 90-72
2011: 71-91

The Padres were a one year sensation in 2010 but other than that, even the Mets the past three years have faired better in the won-lost column.   

This does not evoke confidence, at least in me, that I could be wrong about those who depend so much on analysis to build a ball club.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some notes.</p>
<p>Paul had no regrets not having Jose any more or that he is with a division rival.  He said:</p>
<p>- &#8220;this is New York!!! There would be no better place to do something special than right here, and that’s our focus.&#8221;</p>
<p>How many out there said let Jose walk for the sake of a new challenge?</p>
<p>Then when it came to the issue of money: </p>
<p>- &#8220;A lot of the reports on our finances have been exaggerated.&#8221;</p>
<p>We weren&#8217;t the ones who said we could not go after more costly free agents due to  $70 million in losses and losing money since 2009.</p>
<p>Then when it came to investing more in the draft picks Paul mentioned:</p>
<p>- &#8220;Ownership allowed us (even encouraged us) to be as aggressive as ever last year in the amateur market, and they continue to support our long-term vision.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Mets were 14th (middle of the road) with signing bonuses this past draft spending<br />
$6,782,500.  Thats about 33% more than the $4.72 million in 2010 with Omar. Glad to see that, but aggressive? </p>
<p>The average team spent $7.6 million.  Many &#8220;rebuiding&#8221; clubs paid more than we did in 2011 and spent more than they did the previous year., i.e., the Cubs doubled the amount they spent the previous year. The Padres and Mariners both spent 2.5 times more and even the pirates spent 80% more.  </p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean their draft picks were better than ours, of course, but compared to other teams needing to rebuild, that&#8217;s not a hell of a lot in comparision.</p>
<p>And then about his years in San Diego and his draft picks based more on analysis after starting out in Cleveland:</p>
<p>- &#8220;That said, while I was scouting, I was acutely aware of my lack of experience. Because of that, I was trying to make sense of what I was seeing and attempting to somehow contribute to the conversation. The analysis allowed me to do that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, since Paul joined the Padres in June of 2006, look at the results of the team as he took it over and then in the framework of the time he had to place his stamp on it with both draft picks, trades and signings (around 2008 and forward):</p>
<p>2006: 88-74<br />
2007: 89-74<br />
2008: 68-94<br />
2009: 75-87<br />
2010: 90-72<br />
2011: 71-91</p>
<p>The Padres were a one year sensation in 2010 but other than that, even the Mets the past three years have faired better in the won-lost column.   </p>
<p>This does not evoke confidence, at least in me, that I could be wrong about those who depend so much on analysis to build a ball club.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1.5 years, get it right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.5 years, get it right.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not really praising Sandy for anything other than changing the approach which is all he can really be judged on at this point Marlin Fan but if you think those 2 are the high end prospects he&#039;s brought in here in a year and a half your dead wrong.

But good luck tonight anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not really praising Sandy for anything other than changing the approach which is all he can really be judged on at this point Marlin Fan but if you think those 2 are the high end prospects he&#8217;s brought in here in a year and a half your dead wrong.</p>
<p>But good luck tonight anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Second guesser, ME? omar lover? i ripped him a new one for doing a horrendous job as a GM towards the end.. Again, You&#039;re praising sandy for getting one high ceiling player in 2 his 2 year tenure as a GM. that is as pathetic as it gets!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second guesser, ME? omar lover? i ripped him a new one for doing a horrendous job as a GM towards the end.. Again, You&#8217;re praising sandy for getting one high ceiling player in 2 his 2 year tenure as a GM. that is as pathetic as it gets!</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simply a fact.

Man the Omar lovers are so sensitive.

Jeez.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply a fact.</p>
<p>Man the Omar lovers are so sensitive.</p>
<p>Jeez.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can you separate bias from fact?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you separate bias from fact?</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know that is a valid argument.  I would not have minded if they had not signed either and went with Ramirez and Parnell.  However, doesn&#039;t mean that they then would have had tons of cash to fix anything else or be suddenly big players on the FA market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know that is a valid argument.  I would not have minded if they had not signed either and went with Ramirez and Parnell.  However, doesn&#8217;t mean that they then would have had tons of cash to fix anything else or be suddenly big players on the FA market.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harvey does look like a great pick, no question and everyone here is excited about him but it took 5 drafts before Minaya got him&quot;

No Bias there either right?????]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvey does look like a great pick, no question and everyone here is excited about him but it took 5 drafts before Minaya got him&#8221;</p>
<p>No Bias there either right?????</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know it&#039;s a shame that one can&#039;t be a fan of Harvey, Kirk, Wheeler and have optimistic hopes about Nimmo on this site.  Nope. Can&#039;t do it here in must pick a side world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know it&#8217;s a shame that one can&#8217;t be a fan of Harvey, Kirk, Wheeler and have optimistic hopes about Nimmo on this site.  Nope. Can&#8217;t do it here in must pick a side world.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes people should certainly be banned from here for talking about baseball.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes people should certainly be banned from here for talking about baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Incidentally Chad McDonald was hired by the Padres so he&#039;s no longer our Scouting Director.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally Chad McDonald was hired by the Padres so he&#8217;s no longer our Scouting Director.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not on francisco and rauch that&#039;s for sure!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not on francisco and rauch that&#8217;s for sure!</p>
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		<title>By: t agee</title>
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		<dc:creator>t agee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harvey will probably be 10 times better than Wheeler?

No bias here obviously.

Two HS kids who will not be up here until 2014-2015 is just the nature of the draft.  Minaya only had Pelfrey come up here by this time in his tenure.

Plenty of people here have given Minaya many accolades for guys he got that are on the Major League roster like Murphy, Parnell, Thole, Niese, Davis, Tejada, Pelfrey, even Pridie and Turner as well as the prospects in the system right now.

Harvey does look like a great pick, no question and everyone here is excited about him but it took 5 drafts before Minaya got him.  Alderson got Wheeler after he was only here for 9 months.  Personally I&#039;m excited about both of them as I am (and have stated many times) about many of the kids Minaya brought in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvey will probably be 10 times better than Wheeler?</p>
<p>No bias here obviously.</p>
<p>Two HS kids who will not be up here until 2014-2015 is just the nature of the draft.  Minaya only had Pelfrey come up here by this time in his tenure.</p>
<p>Plenty of people here have given Minaya many accolades for guys he got that are on the Major League roster like Murphy, Parnell, Thole, Niese, Davis, Tejada, Pelfrey, even Pridie and Turner as well as the prospects in the system right now.</p>
<p>Harvey does look like a great pick, no question and everyone here is excited about him but it took 5 drafts before Minaya got him.  Alderson got Wheeler after he was only here for 9 months.  Personally I&#8217;m excited about both of them as I am (and have stated many times) about many of the kids Minaya brought in.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have yet to answer the question of how do you spend money you don&#039;t have?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have yet to answer the question of how do you spend money you don&#8217;t have?</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah same old Alex letting others perceptions force his opinions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah same old Alex letting others perceptions force his opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There was no talk in here about none of those guys, &quot;
translated based on the premise of two negatives make a positive. 
&quot;There was talk in here about those guys. &quot;

In your use of double negatives you actually spoke the truth for once.  Nice job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There was no talk in here about none of those guys, &#8221;<br />
translated based on the premise of two negatives make a positive.<br />
&#8220;There was talk in here about those guys. &#8221;</p>
<p>In your use of double negatives you actually spoke the truth for once.  Nice job.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank GOD for pete who kept an objective view here, but trust me, you weren&#039;t around here when all this hoopla was going on about sandy&#039;s greates hits as a mets GM...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank GOD for pete who kept an objective view here, but trust me, you weren&#8217;t around here when all this hoopla was going on about sandy&#8217;s greates hits as a mets GM&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jessep</title>
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		<dc:creator>jessep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think anybody forgets about Harvey at all. I&#039;m not sure why you&#039;re saying that. 

Frankly, unless the Mets change the way they DEVELOP talent, nothing will change. The odds are that Harvey, Mejia, Familia, Wheeler... one of those guys won&#039;t make it, and 1 will be a bullpen arm. 

But, the more prospects you have the greater chance for success and the Mets haven&#039;t exactly had many pitchers that were highly touted by the majority of the league/scouts etc. Which is why people like Wheeler, because it gives them more hope. Scouts etc do not like Wheeler because Sandy traded for him. They liked him before when he was with SF. 

Prospects are about hope. Hope for a brighter future. It doesn&#039;t matter if Sandy, Depo, Omar, Phillips or Duquette brought them here. It matters how high their ceiling is and whether they develop into the player they &quot;should&quot; become.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anybody forgets about Harvey at all. I&#8217;m not sure why you&#8217;re saying that. </p>
<p>Frankly, unless the Mets change the way they DEVELOP talent, nothing will change. The odds are that Harvey, Mejia, Familia, Wheeler&#8230; one of those guys won&#8217;t make it, and 1 will be a bullpen arm. </p>
<p>But, the more prospects you have the greater chance for success and the Mets haven&#8217;t exactly had many pitchers that were highly touted by the majority of the league/scouts etc. Which is why people like Wheeler, because it gives them more hope. Scouts etc do not like Wheeler because Sandy traded for him. They liked him before when he was with SF. </p>
<p>Prospects are about hope. Hope for a brighter future. It doesn&#8217;t matter if Sandy, Depo, Omar, Phillips or Duquette brought them here. It matters how high their ceiling is and whether they develop into the player they &#8220;should&#8221; become.</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From what I read every single one of the minor leaguer interviews Pete did mentioned favorite food.  
I think you&#039;re exaggerating a bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I read every single one of the minor leaguer interviews Pete did mentioned favorite food.<br />
I think you&#8217;re exaggerating a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JesseP, I agree with what you&#039;re saying about stock piling young talent etc, but the emphasys was put on JUST because they were sandy&#039;s picks. People had forgotten harvey was a high pick as well as wheeler was, and he prob will turn out to be 10x better than wheeler who knows, since he and nimmo have beem sandy&#039;s greatest acq people tent to make sure we knew everything about them 2.. Pathetic way to go about it, you know that much have been said about pro sandy pro omar stuff here, but how can one not be when everyone else was been ignored over 2 HS kids that will not be here up until 2014-2015? Nothing wrong with that, i hope they both turn out to be great, but come on..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JesseP, I agree with what you&#8217;re saying about stock piling young talent etc, but the emphasys was put on JUST because they were sandy&#8217;s picks. People had forgotten harvey was a high pick as well as wheeler was, and he prob will turn out to be 10x better than wheeler who knows, since he and nimmo have beem sandy&#8217;s greatest acq people tent to make sure we knew everything about them 2.. Pathetic way to go about it, you know that much have been said about pro sandy pro omar stuff here, but how can one not be when everyone else was been ignored over 2 HS kids that will not be here up until 2014-2015? Nothing wrong with that, i hope they both turn out to be great, but come on..</p>
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