Keep posting that link dude!

Did you note the Post date of that Article?

It was 2005!
When they talked about Alderson starting to build teams that are talking about what he did once he WAS given complete control of the A’s in 1992!

Paul DePodesta had no professional baseball experience when the Indians hired him, He’s every bit the computer analyst as Sandy was. Neither you or Metsie have shown one piece of evidence that shows Sandy wasn’t involved with trades, draftpicks or free agent signings with Oakland. All you showed was that he came without professional experience and relied on others for information and learned from others which I’m not disputing. He did however make baseball decisions long before 1992 and until you show eveidence that someone else made those decisions all we are going to do is keep posting the same old same old.

http://www.usatoday.com/educate/college/careers/CEOs/8-24-05.htm

In this article it shows that you are correct, he leaned on others, he kept his mouth shut, he learned from those around him. Notice in the other parts that Metsie refuses to acknowledge is that it says “Using Bill James formulas which even you know is the grandfather of sabermetrics, Sandy Alderson drafted Mark McGwire on his power potential and Jason Giambi on hs on base percentage. McGwire was drafted in 1984, that’s long before, 8 years to be exact that Metsie claimed Sandy started making decisions.

It’s no different than any other organization in MLB. The scouts scout, and the GM’s make the calls with input from the entire staff, the GM’s make the tradesFA signings and draftpicks, with input of the entire staff. Assistant GM’s sometimes orchestrate the trades like Minaya did with Mike Piazza but you can’t tell me that he didn’t make any trades or sign free agents based on your assumption. Until you show me evidence that he didn’t and show me the proof(links with the person responisble) that someone else made baseball decisions from 83-92 all we are going to do is go back and forth and disagree with eachother. All you’re giving me is what you assume would be non plausible.

Talk to you later J.D.

You said on fire all season! The season includes April and September! I didnt bash Reyes just pointing out, again, your selective memory.

Golden Boy reference is old.

September counts to you when Wright strikes out as the 1st out in 9th, and you repeat that over and over! Yet conviently leave out wvery time how your boy grounded out with a runner 3rd to end the 8th in same tie game.

Selective memories just proving the case that making baseball decisiions souley on what is seen with the eye is very flawed.

Sabre fans will thank you for proving their point!

Hahaha

What I’m saying is that I’m quickly learning there are many more people running the front office today than decades ago – it’s a whole new ball game with many an individual wearing one specific hat. The amount of front office executives for all sports franchises has increased times over the past few decades since the operating of such a business has become so diversified and complex.

In that spirit, Sandy no doubt made the final decision regarding the Oakland moves but IMHO an individual with his specific responsibilities was not the one sphereheading the selection and develoment of the prospects, the trades and the free agent signings but rather the one who oversaw the overall operation of the business and then, like other general managers, works out the legal and financial aaspects with players and other teams after his baseball people (of course, consulting him throughout the entire proces) worked out the personnel moves.

It’s unrealisitic to expect one who admitted to not knowing the professional aspects of the game in a short-time be able to be able to make the decisions of who to chose as the team’s draft picks. And it would seem to reason that with all the time and effort he has to devote just to overseeing the fiscal health and viability of the business, he would not be able to devote himself to take a hands on approach in player development and evaluation. Again, it seems few general managers today wear both hats.

As I said, that’s what Francesa was trying to point out yesterday to a caller regarding Tannenbaum and the Jets. Tannenbaum handles the business end, not the personnel end. And we know draft picks are way more critical in football than they are in baseball due to the nature of the sport.

Take care,
Joe

Clearly they don’t know the game, or have selective memories proving how inaccurate relying on just “WHAT I SAW” as any tool worthwhile (yes I said tool)

Wright is a Bum = that’s a good one, clearly inaccurate and what they think they saw is their mind playing games on them.

The biggest Strike out of the season = clearly lacking baseball knowledge, for someone that only wants to talk baseball, when you claim it to be the biggest K of the season, when it was the FIRST out of the inning in a TIE game, in which his hero Reyes, ended the 8th with a running on third by grounding out.

Claiming Reyes was ON FIRE the entire year = that is if you equate .250 average with a .307 OBP for April ON FIRE, and a .243 average with a .314 OBP for September ON FIRE the entire year.

Not knowing 157 is a higher number than 150 – than backpeddling and saying 160.

Defense – my favorite argument – Murphy is awful at 2nd is going to lose more games than win for the team (said here and in shout box MANY times), but in his 25 games he filled in at 3rd is far better than Wright is at third and show Wright he door and move Murphy to 3rd.

You can’t make this crap up – by the “I know the game, I saw with my eyes” gang

Metsie October 22, 2010 at 10:35 am
The biggest problem with these NUMBERS is the fact that it doesn’t really account for what the player truly contributes.

They take into account what he contributes when he is on the field but the player has to be one the field!

Sure Delgado might look better than Ike when you just look at the numbers. But Delgado couldn’t stay on the field! Ike can!
SO who cares if Delgado does more in 75 At bats if thats all he gives you in a season?
Ike is young, WILL get better and increase those numbers, and he will be on the field way more than Delgado was!

So I don’t care what his WAR is. It’s much better than a guy picking splinters out of his butt or riding a stationary bicycle because he is too hurt to give me those WAR .

But you think Reyes playing only 126 is better than everybody else playing 162.

And that must mean Fonzie is winning the argument!
ROFLMAO!

I looked up Tannenbaum’s role with the Jets and previous NFL franchises and found that yes, he was involved with labor negotiations and administration. Like Sandy, he has a law degree.

Most of Sandy’s top front office people were with him in Oakland so he has indeed put his stamp on the organization. However, I think the one behind the baseball aspect of the club goes to Paul DePodesta. Upon his hiring, Sandy stated:

“Paul has one of the top analytical minds in the game and also has a strong background in more traditional aspects of player development and amateur scouting,” Alderson said. “He will help establish direction, standards and continuity in all areas of our player development domestically and internationally.”

So I think at this point Sandy should get credit for being a top baseball executive as far as administration goes but not the credit for putting together those great Oakland clubs. Like Tannenbaum and other financial-type general managers, he relies heavily on his Vice President for Player Development and Scouting for baseball player decisions, unlike other general managers who need to get the approval and perimeters from their financial superior before they can go sign or trade for certain players. Sandy is the chief financial executive officer of the club. He is not the baseball man and, at most, surrounded himself with those baseball men who also had “analytical minds” – a combination of both traditional and outside the box methodology.

It seems doubtful that Sandy’s analytical talent made up for his lack of knowledge of player decisions on a professional level. The front office has become more diverse since the days of Buzzy Bavasi, Branch Rickey and George Weiss, who wore multiple hats both financial and human resources. Sandy, like Tannenbaum, wears one specific type of hat only. That is his role and responsibility.

Once money ball played a part, it didn’t matter if that roll of money was smaller than a baseball itself. Oakland faltered and so have the Mets. Only one team has been successful molding a team on a shoe-string budget.

SANDY DID NOT MAKE BASEBALL DECISIONS UNTIL 1992!!!!

My evidence proved that!
JoeyD’s eveidence proved it!
YOUR EVIDENCE PROVED IT!

Your a friggin idiot!
Walls are smarter than you!
DONAL is smarter than you and everyone knows thats almost impossible for a human being to achieve!

The original poster didn’t so much as mention Reyes and neither did I.

You responded incorrectly as you didn’t properly read the number of games played for Wright. You somehow interpreted it to read a trending downward of games played since 2008. Then you comment you don’t care how many games he played.

You spin several comments regarding Wright’s playing time into a debate regarding Reyes. A debate that’s been hashed and rehashed here just about every day since he signed with the Marlins. A debate I had little interest into getting into – again.

I wanted Reyes re-sgined as much as any Met fan but it’s done. It’s over. He’s with Miami.

Moving on.