21
2012
Wilpon Should Take Wright Stance
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Monday was a good day for the Mets. Not only did they receive a favorable settlement in the Madoff case, but completed the sale of 12 minority ownership shares at $20 million a shot for a total of $240 million.
The new money will paid off loans to Major League Baseball ($25 million) and Bank of American ($40 million) and now they should be able to sustain their operating expenses for this season.
The Mets have a three-year break before they are required to pay any of the $162 million which may come down to $29 million after net loser claims are applied. So now there is some sense of relief in clarity as they attempt to budget until that time.
What then?
It is clear the Mets will keep their austerity program, so don’t expect any big splashes at the trade deadline or next winter. Not going to happen.
My immediate wonder is David Wright’s status. If the team does put him on the block in July it will send the message things are still bleak and the Mets are in full rebuild mode.
Considering Wright’s recent health issues – plus the financial aspect of it – I don’t see the team signing him to an extension.
However, by announcing he won’t be traded this year and perhaps picking up his option, it will tell the Mets’ fan base there is something positive in the future.
Fred Wilpon stung Wright last year when he said he wasn’t a superstar, which statistically was accurate. However, Wright is a talented player who is the face of the franchise, one who has done more than most in dealing with the public.
Wilpon owes it to Wright to make some kind of gesture that he wants him as part of the Mets’ future.
It’s not a huge splash, but one big enough that says Wilpon is confident about the future.
About the Author: John Delcos
I am an active member of the BBWAA and have covered Major League Baseball in several capacities for over 20 years, including ten in New York working the Mets' and Yankees' beat. I covered the Baltimore Orioles for eight years and the Cleveland Indians before that. I currently serve as an editor and senior staff writer for Mets Merized Online. Follow me on Twitter @jdelcos.
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I have said Wright is as good as gone regardless of the suit outcome and his current injury status!
Sandy has said time and again that he doesn’t feel any team can carry more than two big contracts on it’s payroll and since he has little to no chance of dumping Santana and Bay on anyone that leaves Wright in a cold dark place in Sandy’s trade cubboard!
The only way Wright stays and gets extended is if Bay does well enough to be dumped on someone while paying a majority of his salary or Santana pitches well enough to be a deadline consideration!
On a side bar it should be noted the mets paid other bills other than the two loans yesterday and by all accounts if Picard should manage to clawback all the money from the fund he actually has to PAY Wilpon 16 Mil!
You know I am a big Wright fan, however, how comfortable to you feel locking him up long-term? How long would you offer him?
3/45 or 4/60 would be fair. With a couple of club options
I make his final deal around 5/90 after an option. Guarantee him 4/70 or thereabouts.
Im ok with this deal.
I should add, provided he remains healthy this season. If his back is still an issue, then move on.
His back isnt the issue anymore. Its the ab tear.
Once you break your back, it’s always an issue.
Good point.
Something we agree on finally!
5 years 90 million? That’s crazy! He hasn’t been the same for 3 years, we still don’t know if his back is an issue and he has an option for next after which he’ll be 31 in Dec. He would have to put up numbers somewhere in between 2008 and 2010 before I would even entertain the idea of an extension of that length. Plus play a better 3B than he has, past 2 years.
Even I agree. Will I be up in arms if they extend him? Nope, I wouldn’t have been if they did the same for Reyes in 2010 but to say that there was no risk in signing him long-term? UH No.
Even the idea of 5/90 right now is simply nonsense.
Until he shows he is over the beaning and the back injury–and his play has clearly declined each of the last two years–you don’t even think of extending him.
5/90?
Nuts.
You know I am a big Wright fan”
well, that is an understatement (Roll eyes)
Im not sure why you arent a Wright supporter…. I mean he DOES play for your favorite team and all. I dont get the Wright bashing from you among others. I’d be rooting to holy hell for him to rake….
I will be rooting for him as well, but the question to you is, what will be YOUR reaction when he fail in a big spot in the game? will you be surprised? will you be as acceptance as you sound to be? because all i will say is “i am not surprised”… i am done writing about his failures in big spots, i will let his stats do the talking.. hopefully he proves me wrong, but i doubt it…
My reaction would be sh*t!!! Come on wtf *^%$&**(%^$ ok get em next time just like I’d be if Reyes(if he were here) Bay, Tejada etc fail
But yet even bigger Mets fan. If they need to trade Wright to get better or move on from Wright to get better I have no issues with that. Name on the front, not the name on the back. You should try that.
This.
So there is no confusion I am specifiaccly referring to this:
“If they need to trade Wright to get better or move on from Wright to get better I have no issues with that. Name on the front, not the name on the back.”
Which begs the question…if Wright is traded straight up for a prospect does that qualify as a move that makes us better?
A Known All Star for a AA maybe straight up?
Or does it require at least TWO promising prospects before that deal qualifies?
Remember Wright is as much a 2 month rental as Beltran was when we traded him!
His Option is gone once he is traded!
You cant really use the term “All-Star” to judge a player. It’s just a popularity contest. See Jeter, Derek.
LOL….see Jeter, Derek.
You know he’ll be voted in by fans every year until the end.
Exactly my point. He’s been in decline longer than Wright. But he’ll get voted in no matter what till he retires. Same crap happened for like 3 years in the NBA with Yao Ming. I think he was voted the starter in the Western Conference last year and didnt even play a game.
Yeah then what do you judge them on?
Thier status on BA’s list?
Then Halladay sucks and is worthless he isn’t on BA’s list!
Hmm, MLB players on performance and potential and MILB players on performance and potential?
All depends on who and what.
You keep harping about trading him for the right package, why don’t you enlighten us with some trade ideas then?????? what would be the right package for you?
Cant really come up with fair trade packages for Dubs till we see what Dubs we are getting. The one that we have now isnt worth anywhere near what the Dubs from 05-08 is worth. Gotta wait and see on that.
Trading Wright now you get basically nothing. That is why it’s not happening yet. He will have the same trade value next year at this time even if he stinks all year. Might as well get the ticket sales from him still being here if you are not getting anything more in return. However, if he plays well this year then you shop him at the ASB and if you get what you want then you consider it. IF not then you wait until the off-season and do the same thing and you STILL have the option of waiting until the ASB of 2013 and if you don’t get what you want then you offer him arbitration. Again the Mets are in the drivers seat with Wright for now.
Might as well get the ticket sales from him”
Really??? People are now paying for tickets to go see a 3B with back issues, hitting 254 and striking out in big spots? that’s your ticket meal to the fans??? LMAO!!!!! Man.. no wonder EVERYWHERE they’re projecting less than 2 million fans at citi field this year..
Maybe not. Considering they didn’t garner any ticket sales from Reyes’ last year here when he was competing for a batting tittle.
It’s wins that usually put fans in the seats, not specific players – on the whole.
Yeah believe it or not Alex, there are some awful misguided Mets fans out there that like David Wright and have just not been edujumicated by you yet.
You still missed the point. They are not trading Wright now because his value is the lowest it will be in the next 2 years. It will most likely never get any lower.
This.
Makes perfect sense to me.
And you wonder why people think you believe all are players are worthless!
“Trading Wright now you get basically nothing”
Yep because anyone wearing a met uni is worthless and because of that an All star for a AA guy is pure steal as far as your concerned!
If All Stars are WORTHLESS then please tell me how a AA guy is worth more?
Like I said above. An “All-Star” is just being the most popular player at a position. A guy like Wheeler has tons of upside. Cant have too many of those.
OK so you think that because Wright is a former All-star that teams should look past the injury, the performance and the cost and trade a top player for him?
Did you just flip flop and move to Alex’s side of the argument?
Sure wouldn’t surprise me if you did!
See again where we differ, I don’t see sides I see facts.
I like Wright as a player but realize that he has not been as productive the last 3 years and is coming off of a broken back thus he has very little current trade value.
And if what you say is true nothing in the next 2-3 months he could do will change that value!
So which is it, tons of prospects or nothing?
He’ll actually have more value next year, as a trade chip.
Maybe anyway, depends on how he does. Not only that but it gives the Mets prospects some time. Maybe Flores sticks at 3B and starts hitting, Murphy hits but can’t play 2B, Havens or Jordanny push their way to 2B…
I wuld give him a 4 year deal and more (6-7) if he agrees to giving up on a no trade clause!
But truth be told I think it’s too late because it made sense when he had reyes not now…
Might as well trade him and put Murphy at 3B and then suck through till we can draft our own without having to sell off all stars to get JUST ONE!
4 year deal post 2013 so locking him up through 2017? How much per year?
15-20 with more if he gets back to 25 HRs this season!
6-7 is way too many years. Alderson wont go that long. 4-5 years garunteed with an option is all Im willing to go to be honest.
yeah we know thats why we don’t like Sandy so much!
He would rather play rotissereie Stratomatic every year than lock up great players to solidify a roster and provide the stability from year to year a team needs like Chipper Jones has done for the Braves and kimmy Rollins has done for the Phillies and Derek jeter has done for the Yankees and Pujols used to do for the cardinals!
So you’d sign Wright to a 6-7 year deal worth north of 100 million? I love Wright but no way.
You would have given Reyes 6/106?
Yep!
6-7 years is lunacy.
He’ll be a 10/5 player soon, so he gets an automatic no trade clause and the PA won’t let him just forgo it.
Presently, even if he has a big year, I’d stick to 4 years with a 5th as an option. Depending on how he does this year and how his back holds up, $18-20 million average annual.
Fred Wilpon stung Wright last year when he said he wasn’t a superstar, which statistically was accurate. However, Wright is a talented player who is the face of the franchise, one who has done more than most in dealing with the public”
STUNG????? you mean he said the truth?? i don’t get it, you then proceed to say statistically is accurate? which one is it? face of the franchise?? based on what?? ohh, because he speaks to the media in a soft spoken manner and good english? Please… A good player with a loaded lineup, an above average player when its time to be the man, that’s the guy who i’ve seen in the past 8 years… Face of the franchise… No wonder we choked!!!!
Backed up by your injured flopping every September boy they both failed to lead the Mets to the WS.
And yet, TEAMS plan against jose reyes, while they walk duda and pagan to pitch to your boy… go figure!!
Yeah they plan against him alright. They plan against him being a force in September every year, they plan against him staying healthy an entire season, they plan against him speaking to the media after a tough loss, they plan against him standing up for himself in a fight instead of hiding behind a coach, they plan against him being mature enough not to need a baby sitter. Blah blah blah blah.
Fact is that long-term deals for guys with an injury history are very risky and if letting Wright and Reyes go makes the Mets better in the long-term I have no problems with seeing them go regardless of how much I liked both of them.
the franchise took the wrong path as i’ve been saying all along. Every effort should’ve been made to keep Reyes at SS and Tejada at 2B, get rid of this choking BUM along with a prospect or 2 for pitching. What Reyes has to offer is much more difficult to replace than what Wright has to offer. And at the end of Reyes’ contract Tejada would be about 26 and could’ve slid over to SS then.
You’ve been saying it all along but it holds no water because the best you could possibly get for Wright at any point between last June and now is salary relief, and not even that much of it because no one would take on Wright’s entirely salary, even if the Mets simply put him on waivers. If everything was in a fantasy world where salaries and injuries didn’t matter, maybe you might have a gripe. But this is the real world.
Yes because we all know in your bizzaro world All stars are worthless and should be traded straight up for Young AA ball players!
Our team is better based on who we have in AA and BA;s list not who is actually on the MLB roster!
What does being an All-Star have to do with anything? You making things up again? You know who’s worthless? High priced rental players in a three-year decline with limited defensive ability coming off a broken back. You know anybody like that?
All stars are voted by EVERYONE including people who are not fans of the team they play for!
All stars are supposed to be the BEST players of the game!
Being an all star is a far better distinction than being on BA’s list which F-Mart was on and you think that made him good!
So you would have beaten the contract the Marlins gave him? He wasnt coming back. Alderson and Reyes’ agent spoke contract parameters, his agent said no, Alderson said later. What more would you like? Reyes priced himself out of the Mets range. And before you blame Alderson for that, he has no control over the teams finances. That falls on the Wilpons.
Who says you have to beat it?
Reyes might have stayed for the same money because it didn’t cost him a penny to move!
Who says you don’t? Round and round and round and more time wasted on the Marlins SS.
Actually yes, you’d have to match it or beat it. Thats this works. There arent many players that would take a 5/90 contract over a 6/106 contract.
For 10 lowly mIl and a year earlier to get another Pay day a LOT of players would take the 5/90 deal!
Who? Who has ever done that? This is Reyes’ one big contract. No one is going to pay a 34 year old former speedster top dollar like that.
Stop living in the past.
I’m willing to bet Wright is still here come the end of the season.
What happens after that, is anyone’s guess.
Been reading some Philly blogs concerning their current rash of injuries:
Howard
Utley
Polanco
Martinez (back up IF next in line since they traded Valdez and Glavis will start at 2nd with Utley on the DL).
Can’t believe the trade proposals those Philly fans are throwing out there. Want to give us a couple of scrubs for DWright. They’re starting to sound like Yankee fans.
Not sure where DWright will wind up if traded, but anywhere in the NL east will just be a slap in the face IMO – especially after Reyes signing with Miami.
If he struggles, we’re stuck with him, if he’s hurt we’re stuck with him… if he has a good season, he’s gone… Also, why would people want a 31 year old 3B, known to be a choker in big spots, with back issues to be around 5 more years at $18-19 million per?? explain to me exactly why would we want that???
We might not, just as we might not have wanted a Jose Reyes with perennial injury issues who is also known to be an even bigger choker than David Wright.
even bigger choker than David Wright”
WRONG again…
Prove it. He choked not only in one AB but the entire month of September BOTH times it mattered.
Sorry buddy, this one goes beyond player love. Sorry to say your idol flat out stunk both times it mattered.
Again, 243 avg with RISP for the whole year, including the biggest K of the season, and you wanna come up with some ok numbers in september? when the other day i gave you how reyes throughout ALL YEAR was on fire and our 3B kept hitting ground balls to 2B and be dubbed as “clutch at bats”? you’ve gotta be kidding me!
I love how you change things. RISP is not clutch even defined by people who are nuts about clutch. Is a runner on 3B in the first inning clutch? How about in the 6th inning up by 12? Is that clutch? Isn’t that what you guys always fuss about, stat piling when it doesn’t matter? Now you are using RISP as a measurement of clutch. Well I can play that game too. For his career Wright is a .292 hitter with RISP and a .314 hitter with High Leverage.
Now back to my point, MY 3B is the one that plays on the Mets. Who is YOUR 3B?
“RISP is not clutch even defined by people who are nuts about clutch”
Sure it is….If you think otherwise then define clutch!
The number of outs doesn’t matter….
The Inning doesn’t matter….
The Importance to the game doesn’t matter because it can’t be discerned until the game is over….
If you drive in a run in the first it doesn’t matter if there are none 1 or 2 outs or what inning it is because that hit could be the CLUTCH hit in a game that ends 1-0!
So why don’t YOU define your definition of clutch and we will see who has it all backwards!
It’s already been done by people who are freaks about clutch. The stat is called High Leverage.
this makes no sense, even for you!
you can’t retroactively go back and decide what were clutch situations. By definition, those are the key spots that are pressure packed, etc. Where guys have to come up big or wilt under pressure (IOW, being clutch gamers vs. chokers).
Just because a 1st inning RBI single ends up being the only run in a game, you can’t say it was some kind of “clutch” situation.
I make the same challenge to you maybe you won’t run from it…
Define Clutch!
I define it as any situation where you have an opportunity to score a run and do!
RISP, ROB. even HR is a clutch hit even with no one on!
Score doesn’t matter, Outs don’t matter, neither does the inning!
Any Game winning hit is a clutch hit regardless if it was the hit that got you the lead or the run you needed to hold one!
Hi Metsi,
I’ll define clutch this way: Joe Rudi, and others like him.
Low batting average but with runners on base and late in the game, Rudi was the guy pitchers hated to face. It’s mentally tougher to drive in a run at that late stage of the game than the early innings when there is plenty of time to score and the game is not on the line. Though Reggie Jackson was dubbed “Mr. October”, it was Gabe Paul and Billy Martin who insisted on Rudi over Jackson but George Steinbrenner wanted a superstar instead. BTY – when he was pissed after the Yankees lost the 1981 world series The Boss then dubbed Dave Winfield “Mr. May”.
I like David but the only “big hit” I recall him getting was that game winning single in the 2009 World Baseball Classic. Darn, he even tanked out in the final round of the 2006 Home Run Derby.
Playing with a BROKEN BACK might have somthing to do that… No one knows how long he’s been playing with a BROKEN BACK.
Wright hasn’t been a ‘money’ player for years so forget the back. You have people here calling this player the face of the franchise after years of being small when you need him the most. Most of his stats are just window dressing and will look good for the Mets record book but nothing else.
This franchise would have been in so much better shape going forward if they dumped this Choking face of franchise who is NOT a money player, kept Reyes at SS, Tejada at 2B, Davis at 1B, put Murph at his natural position and use Turner as roving backup that way. They also would not have needed to sign so many mediocre infield backups if they did it that way.
But they kept the guy who is the LEAST guy you want up in big spots. It’s unbelievable after all they years of watching this guy come up small that people still love this guy – you get what you deserve than
How would you have handled the Reyes situation any differently? Would you have given him the contract the Marlins gave him? Would you have beaten it? Reyes coming out and saying he wanted 100 million minimum killed any chances the Mets had at keeping him.
i would have at least made him an offer. You can’t tell anything by not making him an offer. Hasn’t he publicly stated that he may have taken less to stay?
Nobody here knows the answer so I would’ve started by at least making an offer because I honestly feel that was the better way to go and the team would’ve been better sooner that way
Reyes never said he would take a hometown discount. He actually did the opposite with the 100 million comment. Dont forget just cuz there was no official contract offer doesnt mean they didnt discuss groundwork(which they did). Reyes’ agent told Alderson it wasnt enough so Alderson said time to move on. Like I asked before, would you have offered the same contract(or a tick more) to keep Reyes?
The New York Daily News reported he would have taken less:
http://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/jose_reyes_would_have_returned_to_mets_for_less_money/10264717
And until somebody who is a member of this blog site can, and is qualified, can shoot down the Daily News report i have every reason to believe this story
“He said “I really want to play in Miami as long as you pay me $1 more than anyone else… I really want to make the most money I can,’” Samson said of the negotiations.
Even if he didn’t give a discount!
He signed a deal that meant a cut in pay for two years that would have helped us KEEP the All Star Batting champ and not cost us too much the next two years while we worked on bringing fans back PLUS not losing the fans who he used to draw in the meantime!
All for the SAME PRICE Marlins paid!
By the time Reyes said that he was already a free agent and talking to other teams. He had a couple of appointments set up and was not with the Mets any longer.
When teams want to keep a guy they lock them up at least 2 years before they can leave, and yes the player could very well leave some money on the table but he’s getting something for that. He’s getting guaranteed dollars without any of the risks of dangling for 2 years including injury, under performance, getting hit by a car anything.
To ask a player to take a discount after he’s successfully navigated through that minefield is a one way deal.
The Mets always look at their team on a year by year basis and that’s why they’ve never had any sustained success over the last 25 years. Back in 2010 it was all about 2010, but it should have been about taking care of SS for 2012-2015 and attempt to fill in around Reyes with players who could help him get a ring.
“….as long as you pay me $1 more than anyone else”
If we paid what they did they would no longer be paying a #1 more than us!
They would have to make an even BETTER offer!
Yep I would have matched it at least…..
But before I even let it get that far I would have at least made an offer when we had exclusive rights and/or tried to extend him the year before!
I would have had no problem with them trying to extend him the year before. Even though it would have been risky at the time. However, they did not and it is now time to move on.
‘Even though it would have been risky at the time.”
Show me a list of all the MLB players who have their career cut short due to hamstring pulls!
There was no risk!
130 Games of reyes is ten times the contribution of most of the guys who play 162!
How many is 36 worth?
Funny how Metsie had a different take on a player that couldn’t stay on the field. Delgado didn’t even have issues with injuries as Reyes has up until that hip injury in 09.A
Metsie October 22, 2010 at 10:35 am
The biggest problem with these NUMBERS is the fact that it doesn’t really account for what the player truly contributes.
They take into account what he contributes when he is on the field but the player has to be one the field!
Sure Delgado might look better than Ike when you just look at the numbers. But Delgado couldn’t stay on the field! Ike can!
SO who cares if Delgado does more in 75 At bats if thats all he gives you in a season?
Ike is young, WILL get better and increase those numbers, and he will be on the field way more than Delgado was!
So I don’t care what his WAR is. It’s much better than a guy picking splinters out of his butt or riding a stationary bicycle because he is too hurt to give me those WAR .
6 year contract for a player without an injury history is risky enough, why would anybody want to give an injury prone speedster a 6 year deal. Not a smart contract.
Flippidy floppidy.
Delgado a speedster?
Who knew?
20,
Delgado infuriated me so much as a Met for even though I cheered the home runs I was also disgusted because he rarely broke out of the box hard on a deep fly he thought was over the fence, only to be either thrown out at second, held at first, or just make it at second before the tag on a play that never had to be that close.
Worse was that Randolph never benched him to enforce discipline. Guess that was part of Willie’s problem as a manager – he admired “swagger”. That’s why we started to see all the errors due to a lack of team discipline – Reyes wearing his sunglasses above the bill of his cap and then losing a popup in the sun, the on deck hitter not getting the bat out of the way for the runner coming home, staying in the batters box thinking the ball was going foul, not running hard to first on grounders altogether (even F. Martinez in what, his second game as a Met?), etc.
Sorry if I kind of got off the subject but the reminder of Delgado and speed got my juices flowing after all these years with the lack of discipline shown, including that of David Wright, who is still on the team.
What the hell are you two TRS and Fonzie even talking about?
Delgado?
He played in 159 Games in 2008 (AFTER his extention!) Hit 38 HRs!
Played 139 in 2007 Hit 24 Hrs
Played 144 in 2006 hit 38 Hrs!
He was really only hurt a lot in 2009 and he wasn’t alone!
Joey,
I think Willie did try to clamp down on Delgado and Reyes with his dancing too. Delgado went to Bernazard who let loose that Willie wasn’t beloved by Jeff and after that……….2 months of indifferent play and Willie was out.
I clearly remember Willie saying it was nice to see Delgado get his uniform dirty after a game but the Wilpon’s backed the players and discipline broke down.
That and Delgado’s D were what bothered me the most. As a type B FA after 2008 the choice was clear, take the pick, get a rental, set up a platoon, address pitching and get a kid.
What are we talking about? Just wondering why you keep talikg aout of both sides of your mouth. This is your comment from 2010 where you have a different stance with an injured Met not being able to stay on the field.
Metsie October 22, 2010 at 10:35 am
The biggest problem with these NUMBERS is the fact that it doesn’t really account for what the player truly contributes.
They take into account what he contributes when he is on the field but the player has to be one the field!
Sure Delgado might look better than Ike when you just look at the numbers. But Delgado couldn’t stay on the field! Ike can!
SO who cares if Delgado does more in 75 At bats if thats all he gives you in a season?
Ike is young, WILL get better and increase those numbers, and he will be on the field way more than Delgado was!
So I don’t care what his WAR is. It’s much better than a guy picking splinters out of his butt or riding a stationary bicycle because he is too hurt to give me those WAR .
But you think Reyes playing only 126 is better than everybody else playing 162.
As I said, flippidy floppidy.
2008 Wright had 30 go ahead hits. 30 times he came to the plate either with the game tied or trailing and he got the go ahead hit. Take a guess how many Reyes had. 243 avg with RISP, that’s right. 2006 Ryan Howard hit 256 with RISP and 247 with 2 outs and RISP. He drove in 149 runs. You think any of those were in the clutch or were they just window dressing? He hasn’t been good in big spots since 2009, he got plenty of big hits in 2008. Just not on Sept 24th. Give it up already. Reyes in his best season last year was 2 for his first 29 with RISP. Struckout 5 times with the tying or go ahead run on in the 9th inning last year in the first half of the season last year i which he only struckout 27 times to that point. He’s not anymore clutch than David is but you’re blind to it.
Hahaha. Reyes was “on fire” all year in 2008?!?! LOL with an OBP barely above .350 and an OPS+ of 118?!!? Thats one fire?? Hahaha. Granted it was better than his sub .800 OPS in 2007..but if thats considered being “on fire” you simply aren’t that good.
If he struggles or if he’s hurt, you’re not getting much back at the trade deadline, especially with the new CBA rules trading mid season.
Chance they could trade him at the deadline if he’s having a good season. I just think the chance is small. Depends on the return.
As I said, what they do end of season is anyone’s guess.
As far as that ‘choker’ argument, I’m not even getting into that one again.
Longshot here but I would not be surprised to see Wright dealt to the Marlins for Ramirez in some package deal.
Only thing that can stop Wright from being sent off is injury this year and he is already hurt. If that problem persists then he is less likely to be traded.
ONLY thing in his favor is Wilpon does like him.
If beltran who was our leading RBI guy only brings you 1 AA prospect how much will a guy like Wright with lesser numbers bring back?
Not much!
At least the way some people think about the Wheeler deal!
I dont want hanley anywhere near the Mets.
Please no.
Both Wright and Reyes to Miami? I just don’t see it.
Plus, if dealing Wright is a money concern getting back Ramirez doesn’t do anything for that problem.
The Marlins are very likely to be a team that is looking to be buyers at the deadline!
If all their purchases they made this offseason pays off they will be in the hunt and on the lookout for more help!
Ramirez may or may not be a problem in their lockeroom!
What better way for them to get a boost PLUS get rid of a cancer than to trade Ramirez and some prospect for Wright on a rental!
Have first shot at him in FA!
Get someone who is comfortable and know Reyes well, Plus adds some pop!
Their stadium is much more Wright friendly than our is!
Not saying again that I want it to happen just feel it will be an option that is talked about when the deadline hits.
I don’t either…I wasn’t suggesting that we should just that we very likely would!
Marlins are very likely to be one of those teams who are buyers at the deadline!
They also have a lot of young kids no one spectacular but then again Sandy never seemed to be all too interested in getting a good baseball return just a good ledger entry!
Ramirez is signed longer than Wright and could be traded for other kids after we get him because of that!
I can easily see Sandy trading Wright for Ramirez and some kid then turning around and trading Ramirez for more kids.
Put Murphy at 3B and he will have gotten down to his two big contracts number he crowed about all offseason as being the most an MLB team can carry!
And I would not be so upset with that deal on one condition…
It was his intention to be a player in FA to reacquire Wright if he doesn’t extend with the marlins before the season is over!
I don’t see Wright being traded for anything but top young players. No chance it’s Hanley. Trading Wright for a CF if Kirk doesn’t pan out or a catcher and starting pitching depth would make much more sense.
TRs86 again, Enlighten us, why don’t look up potential trade options.. isn’t that what you always want me and others to do? go ahead… we have time.. we’ll wait for you..
I just did above Alex, currently you can’t trade him because the value is too low. Thus a trade package right now? Salary dump. What is value is in July will depend on how he does AND what others need. What is value is next November? Who the hell knows right now?
Case closed then….
His concept is to trade yet another All Star straight up for a maybe Alex!
I know you have a low opinion of Wright but even you have to admit how dumb another deal like that is!
If there are not at least two or three top prospects it’s not worth doing!
and three posts before this you said….
“Trading Wright now you get basically nothing”
You went from NOTHING to three top young players in the course of 5 minutes!
Uh, I don’t think I have changed my stance.
Trading him now nets you nothing due to the contract, injuries, performance…
Trading him in July, November or July 2013? It will depend on performance.
As for how many players? Are you saying you wouldn’t trade Wright for Bryce Harper? LOL, he’s just a minor leaguer too.
That deal makes 0 sense for both sides. Both players are coming off the worst seasons of their careers, are the faces of their respective franchises, and have defensive issues
Also, Ramirez is making the same money as Wright this year, only he’s doing each year for the next 3 years. He’s also a malcontent who fights with managers and teammates and will take his gripes to the media. He is the exact opposite of what you want on a team of young guns.
It really doesn’t make sense for either team unless either player can prove that last year was a fluke and even then it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Here’s my problem with re-signing Wright. You have him under control already through 2013. He will be 32 that December. How long do you commit to a 32 year old 3B?
If you are Wright, do you chance waiting until FA to try and get your last contract at age 32 or sign the extension that plays you through 35 and leaves you most likely out of luck on a multiyear deal afterwards?
I get that, but Wright’s skill set isn’t as likely to break down at age 32 like, for instance and familiarity’s sake, Reyes. Wright has a better chance to be more productive at 36 than Reyes does at 34, let alone 36. Guarantee him four years and let him earn that 5th year.
I wouldn’t bet on either to be very productive at 35 honestly.
Depends on the back. If Wright comes back from the back injury, then count is as fluke. Then where’s his injury history to say he’d fall apart in his mid-30′s? If he’s healthy again, but has a bad season, then the whole point is moot because why would you sign a sub-par player to that deal anyway?
a 3B with back issues, yeah, his chances to break down are not likely …
SMH… How long have you been watching baseball again??? I don’t even wanna respond to your dumb comments, but man…
A SS and lead-off hitter with tons of leg injuries…
Yeah thats worse than CF with them who has to cover more ground than a SS isn’t it?
You can compare Beltran to Reyes. Reyes was looking for(and got) a huge contract. Hes a 27 year old that relies on speed. Beltran was in the tail end of his contract when his knee issues came up. Plus he switched positions to help the team and himself extend his career.
Cant*
Even with those injuries, the most dangerous leadoff hitter in the game.. One of (if not) the most explosive and excited player in the game. top 3 SS, and a guy that other teams plan the whole gameplan for… your 3B on the other hand, is being PITCHED to in big spots while walking lesser talented players to face him.. and of course, coming up SMALL …
MY 3B is your 3B unless you are a Marlins fan. Again name on the front, try it. It’s much more fun. That way you don’t have to get upset and whine all the time when your hero is shown the door.
I say our 3B because i would’ve been fine with turner or murphy patrolling 3B while having a strong defense up the middle with tejada and reyes… making us better defensively, meaning we’d be better team for it.. good defense = good ERA, winning more games.. try that sometimes, it’s good when you win..
Well you didn’t get it. Time to move on. Your hero has left the building. Dang for people who get on Tagee for living in the past we sure do it enough on here.
OUR SS is Tejada and OUR 3B is Wright. It would behoove both of us to root like hell for both and stop worrying about a former player.
Exactly TRS,
This is one contract Minaya did perfect. Ended it through age 31. Perfect.
In the meantime keep your ears open. Cleveland got Carlos Santana for Casey Blake at the deadline. If that type of situation doesn’t come up you pick up the option and keep your ears open in 2013 as well. Nothing materalizes you take the picks.
Every once in a while you might get burned like Cincy did with Frank Robinson but the vast, vast majority of the time your glad you got off the guy and even more glad you got something for him.
After all how do you think we got him in the first place?
not extending wright now does not have to mean anything about the financial picture being grim. If anything, they will have plenty of money to spend when his extension would kick in (2014 after Bay is gone).
rather, it has to do with the risk of signing a guy at age 31 with back issues recently, and declining output, The team could be rolling in dough, and the FO still might decide not to do it, and it will be purely a BB decision (and totally justifiable).
At minimum, they should let Wright play this year, then decide how to procede next off season when he could be extended, or traded.
I don’t see him traded this season, but that is just MHO of course.
“rather, it has to do with the risk of signing a guy at age 31 with back issues recently, and declining output,”
I don’t think I could of said it any better stick.
David seems to get hurt every year. I do not care about good will. I don;t sign a guy who misses significant time every year.
What?
2005 – 160 games played
2006 – 154 games played
2007 – 160 games played
2008 – 160 games played
2009 – 144 games played
2010 – 157 games played
2011 – 102 games played (on the DL for approx 2 months with a back injury)
Please tell me how this = ‘misses significant time every year’
Please stop using facts. It just doesnt look good. /sarcasm lol
LOL.
There’s opinions – and all are entitled to their own.
Then there’s facts, that just cant be disputed.
Hmm see the trend there?
What trend? That he’s played more than 140 games a year except two. One year was due to the beaning, the other from a broken back.
Hasn’t played n 150 games in the last three years!
Back issues have ended more careers than hamstrings have if you didn’t know!
Hmm, I was under the impression that 157 was more than 150.
I am quite sure that a few people here would argue for weeks that you are wrong about that.
Look at those numbers again, Metsie.
hasn’t played 160 games in the last three years!
And played in fewer games than reyes last year who won the batting title!
How many batting titles has Wright ever won?
LOL…so?
Are you really penalizing him b/c he didn’t play all 162 games in 2010?
Do you realize that 157 games is pretty damn good?
I originally responded to a poster who incorrectly commented:
‘David seems to get hurt every year. …don;t sign a guy who misses significant time every year.’
I posted his games played since 2005. Facts are facts. He doesn’t ‘seem to get hurt every year’ and he didn’t miss significant time every year.
Pretty sure he only lost one 15 day DL stint as a result of that beaning and his lost 2 months last year.
Who was talking about a batting title? Where does that come into this conversation?
No more than people punish reyes for not doing so!
You see SRT I like Wright and want him to stay I just think he won’t cause Sandy won’t pay him…
I’m only using the same criteria folks were using to defend the letting of reyes go in the case of Wright to illustrate how stupid the whole he missed games concept actually is!
I have always said I don’t care HOW MANY games you play, If you put up the numbers that are better than most guys who do play more games I don’t really care if your more efficient and don’t play everyday to get there!
Reyes won a Batting title and led the team in RS.
Despite his missed 30 games!
So what he did when he was there is ALL that really matters!
Since no one else could do what he did playing more games than he did!
If you can drive in 90-100 Runs every year like Wright normally does then I don’t care if he did in only 100 games what most guys can’t do in 162!
Just trying to show to all those who whine about injury that an injured player who puts up the numbers is BETTER than a guy who never gets hurt but doesn’t put up those numbers!
You’re worse than a dog with a bone, Metsie.
The original poster didn’t so much as mention Reyes and neither did I.
You responded incorrectly as you didn’t properly read the number of games played for Wright. You somehow interpreted it to read a trending downward of games played since 2008. Then you comment you don’t care how many games he played.
You spin several comments regarding Wright’s playing time into a debate regarding Reyes. A debate that’s been hashed and rehashed here just about every day since he signed with the Marlins. A debate I had little interest into getting into – again.
I wanted Reyes re-sgined as much as any Met fan but it’s done. It’s over. He’s with Miami.
Moving on.
Except that 2011 was the only year Reyes put up better numbers than Wright. And also the only year he played significantly more games than Wright.
Metsie: “Back issues have ended more careers than hamstrings have if you didn’t know!”
Please provide the statistical proof to back up that statement. Be sure to include every single minor league player who was never able to overcome hamstring injuries.
I wonder if you could consider Floyd’s career to be ended by hamstring?
I’ll be holding my breath waiting for Metsie to provide that proof. If he does find some let me know. Just look for the blue guy.
Keep holding it! You will be doing the world and this site a favor!
No I’d be doing you a favor. You don’t like when you’re exposed as a spin doctor and a habitual liar and I keep exposing you. Try using facts and you won’t have to worry about being exposed.
Your the only one spinning….And your so dizzy the linbk you posted to prove me wrong regarding Sandy and the 89 A’s made MY point not yours!
But thats what happens when an idiot tries to act like he knows something!
Now you’re changing your point. First you said Sandy had nothing to do with buildiing the 89 WS Championship A’s and now you’re saying he did, cause that link doesn’t shows no evidence that Sandy didn’t make baseball decisions before 1992. You’ve showed no evidence at all that Roy Eisenhardt built those A’s teams, none. Sandy was the GM. If you would’ve said Sandy had a good staff that was a large part of his success and he was an outsider with no professional baseball experience, no one would argue, but what you said was Sandy had nothing to do with baseball decisions until 1992 which is a complete fallacy no matter how many times you try and pass off false information it still won’t add up to the truth. Nice touch with the insults you claim everybody else starts. Another lie.
What act of complete and total lunacy made you think I said Sandy did?
Please if english is too tough for you come back when you learn how to read!
SANDY DID NOT MAKE BASEBALL DECISIONS UNTIL 1992!!!!
My evidence proved that!
JoeyD’s eveidence proved it!
YOUR EVIDENCE PROVED IT!
Your a friggin idiot!
Walls are smarter than you!
DONAL is smarter than you and everyone knows thats almost impossible for a human being to achieve!
My evidence proved Sandy drafted Mark McGwire in 1984. That’s 8 years before 1992. Neither you or Joey.D proved otherwise. Notice I can call you out without the name calling.
No it didn’t! Thats why your dumb for repeating this bull!
All you can come bcak with is insults. Only in your world being right means you’re being dumb.
And all you come back with is evidence that proves your wrong!
Snady kept his mouth shut!
Did my research could not find a single player in the MLB who eneded their career due to hamstrings!
McGwire, Mattingly, Frank Thomas, Alomar, Holcomb just to name a few…
Care to show us all the guys you think had to retire due to hamstring injuries?
Metsie: Really? I guess I give you too much credit sometimes for being logical
“McGwire (37), Mattingly (34), Frank Thomas (40), Alomar (36), Holcomb just to name a few…”
Not sure who Holcomb is to be honest but I’m sure the fact these guys were an average 36 years old had a little more to do with them retiring than “back problems” specifically back problems when they are 28, 29 years old.
I don’t know what the stats are but I am certainly not going to just throw statements out there without proof. I’m not even saying back injuries are no big deal, they are. But hamstring issues on players who rely on speed as their #1 skill is an issue also.
Metsie: By the way, Griffey Jr… ever hear of that guy who dealt with hamstring issues his whole career which halted him from being probably the greatest HR hitter ever?
And by the way, Mark McGwire? Has knee surgery in his final off-season and then *gasp* strained his hamstring in August and retired after that season.
So nice example there, thanks
Yeah guys who are over 36 years old don’t all have back problems despite what a spring chicken like you thinks…
Dismiss it if you want but those guys all retired because it was their back that bothered them!
Note Griffey Jr was bothered by them all through his career and may or may not have affected his hitting, but he wasn’t forced to retire because he couldn’t play due to a bad hammy now did he?
And it obviously didn’t hamper the 2011 Batting Champion either!
So much for your facts that aren’t facts!
When you find the statistics that prove me wrong feel free to post them!
I noted just a few names of players who could not continue due to back issues…
And all you came up with was one guy with bad hammy who didn’t retire early because of them and at best you attributed his bad BA to them as if your hamstrings swing the bat!
Um…no. What trend?
For the love of GOD, the same freaking comments again. Why am I surprised? Same crap different day. Double standards, lies and misguided statements over and over and over and over and over again.
THE HORSE IS DEAD AND BURIED!
Don’t forget the incessant aggressive ignorance Kay; I find that to be this comment section’s most outstanding trait.
Metsie just commented about Wright not playing 150 games in three years, right below a stat showing that he played 157 games in 2010. Which he did.
And these stats were right below someone posting that Wright “misses significant time every year.” Which he doesn’t.
It’s funny, really it is.
The best part is – they are so anti-saber, calling others names that they assume ARE for sabre after saying numerous times they are not, call people names etc…..but clearly they are making an argument FOR sabremetrics.
Clearly they don’t know the game, or have selective memories proving how inaccurate relying on just “WHAT I SAW” as any tool worthwhile (yes I said tool)
Wright is a Bum = that’s a good one, clearly inaccurate and what they think they saw is their mind playing games on them.
The biggest Strike out of the season = clearly lacking baseball knowledge, for someone that only wants to talk baseball, when you claim it to be the biggest K of the season, when it was the FIRST out of the inning in a TIE game, in which his hero Reyes, ended the 8th with a running on third by grounding out.
Claiming Reyes was ON FIRE the entire year = that is if you equate .250 average with a .307 OBP for April ON FIRE, and a .243 average with a .314 OBP for September ON FIRE the entire year.
Not knowing 157 is a higher number than 150 – than backpeddling and saying 160.
Defense – my favorite argument – Murphy is awful at 2nd is going to lose more games than win for the team (said here and in shout box MANY times), but in his 25 games he filled in at 3rd is far better than Wright is at third and show Wright he door and move Murphy to 3rd.
You can’t make this crap up – by the “I know the game, I saw with my eyes” gang
How come you did not say anything when i posted his numbers from MAY to AUGUST!?!? where he avg like 350?? but of course, you penalized anyone who talks about your golden boy with bad numbers, yet you do the same with reyes…. and talk about double standard!!!!!!!
Isn’t it you guys that talk about one clutch AB in September as being the most important then suddenly it’s not September that’s important it’s the rest of the year then suddenly RBI that are not in clutch situations are just fluff, then suddenly on fire the entire year means only a few months, then suddenly clutch is measured by an entire year’s worth of RISP but then it doesn’t matter what that player’s career average is in RISP or actual clutch situations. You guys are the ones that keep moving the target, we are the ones that keep accurately hitting it with facts regardless of how often or when you move it.
You make this too easy!
You said on fire all season! The season includes April and September! I didnt bash Reyes just pointing out, again, your selective memory.
Golden Boy reference is old.
September counts to you when Wright strikes out as the 1st out in 9th, and you repeat that over and over! Yet conviently leave out wvery time how your boy grounded out with a runner 3rd to end the 8th in same tie game.
Selective memories just proving the case that making baseball decisiions souley on what is seen with the eye is very flawed.
Sabre fans will thank you for proving their point!
Hahaha
Dumping Wright’s salary. Geting what you can for him. Cutting Pelf too. Savings 19 million dollars. Ending ties to the 2007 Mets. chokers…PRICELESS.
Why can’t we just be happy that we have Wright for 2 more years and at the end of the contract will have had him for 10 years? What is this mythical hunt for the career franchise player? If the Mets want to re-sign him or he wants to be back so be it. If not and the Mets decide to move on or trade him as long as it benefits the team in the long-run again so be it. My loyalty is to the team not the player.
Because Sandy likes to trade All Stars for BA listers…so no guarantee we have him even for the duration of this season…
And since he is worth nothing now even if he does well he will only be worth next to nothing in July!
Then we can be happy that he was here for 8.5 years and got a top prospect in return. Again, you and I fire and ice we are just never going to see eye to eye on much.
Because he did it once? No consideration at all for the circumstance?
yeah he did it once! In his best trade the rest of the time he got squat!
Could not agree more TRS.
I root for the team; the name on the front of the jersey not the back.
If Wright rebounds and is healthy and back to the all-star he once was, great, lock him up and offer loads of dough.
If not, or if the Wilpons cannot afford it, well that sucks, but try to get two Wheelers for him and hope the team is loaded with promising youth in 2–3 years.
I think you need to look at the contract Aramis just signed as an indication on what Wright may get on the open market. Probably an extra year, with an option year, but he isn’t going to be a 20 million dollar man unless there is a perfect storm.
As for extending him now, why would you do that? You have 2 years to see if he slips at all and is even worth extending.
As for trading him now, why would you do that? His value is low and he wouldn’t provide compensation if he goes to free agency.
Let’s slow the bus towards crazytown down a bit.
Exactly, like I said above, why not just enjoy the fact that Wright is here 2 more years and if at the end of it the Mets or Wright decide to move on then so be it. IF in the meantime you have the option of making the team better by trading him then why wouldn’t you?
Ridiculous. IT makes ZERO sense to keep David Wright beyond this season. NONE. Some Mets fans cant separate common sense from sentimentality. Wright is 29 and in decline. Hope he has a good 2012 and trade him this winter.
It’s all about the offer. If he does have a good 2012 and you can make the team better in the long run by trading him? Be my guest. If not then keep him for part of 2013 and check again at the deadline. If not then keep him until the end of 2013 and offer arbitration.
I depend/s on if they can get players that make the team better.
The only way I would support the trading of Wright is if the Mets are serious about having Murphy replace him at third, get a player or players of value that fills others holes or if he goes free agency then the money not applied to David goes to getting other payers. It might mean counting on Wilmer Flores to take over second with Murphy moved to third since there will be no opportunity to to see Flores responds to the MLB level with Wright still stationed at third and Murphy at second – unless Tejada proves to be a bust at shortstop.
To just let him go and use his savings to go back into the coffer would only mean the Wilpons (as many allude to) financial problems are way far from over.
Regarding Sandy’s role and influence in molding teams either in Oakland or here in New York, Mike Francesa touched upon an important point today regarding the Jets mess with Tebow. He referred to the Jet General Manager, Mike Tannenbaum, and said his role was of the financial aspect of a general manager. He was not the one in charge of personnel. Yes, once he approved the recommendations of his football people he would then head the trade negotiation talks but he was not the one who puts together the team.
I looked up Tannenbaum’s role with the Jets and previous NFL franchises and found that yes, he was involved with labor negotiations and administration. Like Sandy, he has a law degree.
Most of Sandy’s top front office people were with him in Oakland so he has indeed put his stamp on the organization. However, I think the one behind the baseball aspect of the club goes to Paul DePodesta. Upon his hiring, Sandy stated:
“Paul has one of the top analytical minds in the game and also has a strong background in more traditional aspects of player development and amateur scouting,” Alderson said. “He will help establish direction, standards and continuity in all areas of our player development domestically and internationally.”
So I think at this point Sandy should get credit for being a top baseball executive as far as administration goes but not the credit for putting together those great Oakland clubs. Like Tannenbaum and other financial-type general managers, he relies heavily on his Vice President for Player Development and Scouting for baseball player decisions, unlike other general managers who need to get the approval and perimeters from their financial superior before they can go sign or trade for certain players. Sandy is the chief financial executive officer of the club. He is not the baseball man and, at most, surrounded himself with those baseball men who also had “analytical minds” – a combination of both traditional and outside the box methodology.
It seems doubtful that Sandy’s analytical talent made up for his lack of knowledge of player decisions on a professional level. The front office has become more diverse since the days of Buzzy Bavasi, Branch Rickey and George Weiss, who wore multiple hats both financial and human resources. Sandy, like Tannenbaum, wears one specific type of hat only. That is his role and responsibility.
Once money ball played a part, it didn’t matter if that roll of money was smaller than a baseball itself. Oakland faltered and so have the Mets. Only one team has been successful molding a team on a shoe-string budget.
Yeah but Fonzie will deny it vigorously! Because he has the proof that proves both of us correct!
And that must mean Fonzie is winning the argument!
ROFLMAO!
Hi Fonzi,
What I’m saying is that I’m quickly learning there are many more people running the front office today than decades ago – it’s a whole new ball game with many an individual wearing one specific hat. The amount of front office executives for all sports franchises has increased times over the past few decades since the operating of such a business has become so diversified and complex.
In that spirit, Sandy no doubt made the final decision regarding the Oakland moves but IMHO an individual with his specific responsibilities was not the one sphereheading the selection and develoment of the prospects, the trades and the free agent signings but rather the one who oversaw the overall operation of the business and then, like other general managers, works out the legal and financial aaspects with players and other teams after his baseball people (of course, consulting him throughout the entire proces) worked out the personnel moves.
It’s unrealisitic to expect one who admitted to not knowing the professional aspects of the game in a short-time be able to be able to make the decisions of who to chose as the team’s draft picks. And it would seem to reason that with all the time and effort he has to devote just to overseeing the fiscal health and viability of the business, he would not be able to devote himself to take a hands on approach in player development and evaluation. Again, it seems few general managers today wear both hats.
As I said, that’s what Francesa was trying to point out yesterday to a caller regarding Tannenbaum and the Jets. Tannenbaum handles the business end, not the personnel end. And we know draft picks are way more critical in football than they are in baseball due to the nature of the sport.
Take care,
Joe
Hey Joey, you’re now comparing the NFL and MLB and trying to make assuptions based on the GM position of an NFL franchise. The Jets have a Lawyer for a GM and the Giants have a Footbal guy as their GM, so whats the point?
Paul DePodesta had no professional baseball experience when the Indians hired him, He’s every bit the computer analyst as Sandy was. Neither you or Metsie have shown one piece of evidence that shows Sandy wasn’t involved with trades, draftpicks or free agent signings with Oakland. All you showed was that he came without professional experience and relied on others for information and learned from others which I’m not disputing. He did however make baseball decisions long before 1992 and until you show eveidence that someone else made those decisions all we are going to do is keep posting the same old same old.
http://www.usatoday.com/educate/college/careers/CEOs/8-24-05.htm
In this article it shows that you are correct, he leaned on others, he kept his mouth shut, he learned from those around him. Notice in the other parts that Metsie refuses to acknowledge is that it says “Using Bill James formulas which even you know is the grandfather of sabermetrics, Sandy Alderson drafted Mark McGwire on his power potential and Jason Giambi on hs on base percentage. McGwire was drafted in 1984, that’s long before, 8 years to be exact that Metsie claimed Sandy started making decisions.
It’s no different than any other organization in MLB. The scouts scout, and the GM’s make the calls with input from the entire staff, the GM’s make the tradesFA signings and draftpicks, with input of the entire staff. Assistant GM’s sometimes orchestrate the trades like Minaya did with Mike Piazza but you can’t tell me that he didn’t make any trades or sign free agents based on your assumption. Until you show me evidence that he didn’t and show me the proof(links with the person responisble) that someone else made baseball decisions from 83-92 all we are going to do is go back and forth and disagree with eachother. All you’re giving me is what you assume would be non plausible.
Talk to you later J.D.
And you been assuming a guy who keeps his mouth shut was making decisions over those who he was busy listening to after just a year!
Keep posting that link dude!
Did you note the Post date of that Article?
It was 2005!
When they talked about Alderson starting to build teams that are talking about what he did once he WAS given complete control of the A’s in 1992!
does this debate have anything at all to do with the Mets, or is it just you two trying to play gotcha?