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2012
The Showdown Of The Century
An article by Craig Lerner
Did you catch all the dramatic build-up to the Jose Reyes versus the Mets match-up yesterday? It was being billed by beat writers from Miami and New York as the “Showdown of the Century.”
Personally, I found Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah to be much more compelling and entertaining. Three-headed monsters always tend to make for good drama.
Reyes got all of one at-bat during the Marlins 3-1 win over the Mets, a slow grounder back pitcher R.A. Dickey who got him to flail at a knuckler. Epic, huh? Then the rains came, and it was believed that Reyes might shrink, so out of the game he went.
Still, the day wasn’t without some interesting dialog from the one-time Met and a couple of current Mets as well.
Jose Reyes
“I’m very happy here. This team wants to win. That’s why I came here to Miami, because of the opportunity to win. I’ve been, like, nine years in the big leagues and I didn’t win anything yet. We went to the playoffs once in New York. I want to win a World Series. I think on this team I have a better opportunity.”
When asked specifically what he liked most about his new team he replied, “Everything. The way the players are, the way the coaches are, everybody has the right attitude, starting from the manager. I want to win a World Series. I think on this team I have that opportunity.”
R.A. Dickey
“I started giggling to myself before he stepped in, just looking over there,” Dickey said. “It’s hard. He was such an exuberant personality, a great guy, a great teammate. You see him — and he was trying hard not to make eye contact — because when you kind of check eyes, you start giggling to yourself. But when he got in, it was business. He meant it.”
“He meant so much to so many people and he’s a great guy and a good friend,” Dickey said. “So it’s not like someone you’re an acquaintance with going on to another team. Obviously, he’s been a Met his whole career and had made a difference to a lot of people in the clubhouse.”
Jason Bay
“It’s one of the best examples of you love to play with him, hate to play against him type guy. He does a lot of things. He gets on base; he makes the defenses tighten up. The energy he brings, all that stuff. We’ve seen what it’s like, what he can do. It makes it tough when he’s playing against you.”
About the Author: Craig Lerner
I'm a data analyst and researcher for a leading news agency who loves life and is hooked on the Mets. I love following the Amateur Draft and have a particular fondness for the Mets Minor Leagues who I follow each day. Give me a cold beer, a summer day, and a Mets game, and I'm good to go.
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It’s funny how much the current Mets loved this “club house cancer” that the media hyped Reyes to be…It’s also funny that Reyes went and asked about Wright even though Reyes supposedly “pulled a knife” on Wright a couple years ago.
The media hyped Reyes as a club house cancer? Well, that must have went right by me b/c I don’t recall this at all.
Since the game wasn’t televised and I don’t have the MLB package to get all minor league games, I was spared seeing Jose in a Miami rainbow uni. Bah.
Read through some of Reyes’ other comments on playing for Miami, leaving NY, the fans, etc.
I loved Jose when he was here but it’s clear to me that he’s a bit removed or not exactly in touch with fans as say RA Dickey or Wright seem to be. I’m going with not having grown up here and possibly following baseball as a boy, as a fan – he doesn’t seem to get what fanatics we fans can be. No matter, it’s clear he’s looking forward to the season in his new home there in Miami with a chance to win a ring. Can’t blame him. Still can’t believe this franchise is in the shape it’s in just when we have what arguably is the best SS in Mets history – homegrown at that – and we couldn’t hold onto him.
Good luck, Jose. Think you’re gonna need it b/c I don’t see the Marlins winning the division. Maybe a WC though.
I never heard that about Reyes either, being a clubhouse cancer. I think there may be a mix up with Delgado who was considered a clubhouse cancer by the media, which I think was over blown too. When exactly did Reyes pull a knife on Wright??? I find that hard to believe.
Beats me. I don’t remember any story involving Reyes/Wright and a knife either.
The Reyes/Knife/Wright story was a big rumor that was being spread around the internet a while back…I don’t think anyone officially reported it because it’s a pretty serious accusation to make without any evidence. It was rumored that the beat writers knew it happened, but it’s one of those things that they don’t report. It was also rumored to be the reason Reyes missed time a couple years back, and the injury was just a cover up.
I’ve heard a lot of Reyes/Cancer stories too….especially from the national media and other markets, but there was some coming from the NY hacks too…a lot of it is because other teams loved to hate Reyes…some even accused Reyes to be addicted to Heroin.
Only thing I can really remember that is remotely tied to a rumor about Reyes and ‘clubhouse cancer’ would be that argument and near showdown he had with Keith on a flight a few years ago. Can’t even remember right now what that was all about.
I read Rusty Staub’s book over Xmas holidays, that he published a couple of years back.
While he had nothing both glowing things to say about Wright both on and off the field, he was a little less effusive for Jose. Said he was a great talent, no question. But thinly veiled comments in there about Jose and keeping the off field distractions to a minimum would be a key to his success. Not sure what he was implying b/c he purposely didn’t go into detail on that.
He also implied his skills at SS this far were b/c of his good speed but if that deteriorated to some extent, he’ll need to rely more on reading the ball off the bat and positioning. As if implying that’s not something he’s all that good at right now.
I know other teams hated Reyes for all his on field antics, especially those HR celebrations he did with his teammates in front of the dugout that Keith and Ron used to say to bring that stuff in the dugout not outside of it. Even his new team couldn’t stand him. Phillies announcer Larry Anderson said they should drill Reyes in the neck with a fastball because of the way he ran around the bases after a HR.
I never believe anything the media says about players being clubhouse cancers. Beltran was considered a clubhouse cancer too and that’s a crock of shit, same with Delgado. They don’t like to talk to the media so they make them out to be clubhouse cancers.
There’s no way in NY that an incident like pulling a knife on a teammate would be swept under the rug. Not in this day in age. Maybe 40-50 years ago. I could see a nutcase like Carlos Zambrano or Milton Bradley doing something like that but not Reyes.
There was(is) a lot on anti-Latino stuff going on a couple years back and every Latino was being called out for being a cancer. Supposedly, Reyes pissed people off with his dancing and handshakes which pissed off his own teammates and Mets didn’t like how Reyes “mopped” and his attitude in general.
I personally wrote it off as haters in the media and other rival markets trying to bash anything the Mets did and also when things are going bad for the Mets, our own fans and media tend to overreact a little and find fault where ever they can.
As for the Knife thing, I never believed it was true…but it was going around a while back…I can’t find and links to it thought, I seem to remember it hitting the comments section on several blog sites…I can’t be the only one who remembers this story?
I’ve never ehard of Reyes being referred to in those ways at all. I’ve heard of him being sensitive to criticism, but a lot of guys at that level are.
And that is well short of being destrucvtive in the club house.
I totally agree.
A huge percentage of things written about players today are dramatically exaggerated or flat-out made up.
Some 8th-rate “reporter” heard it from his “source” that Jose did this and Jose did that. And the “source” is probably a team custodian who didn’t get a large enough tip from Jose last holiday season.
Jose is so non-aggressive, he tiptoes out of the way on DPs, and dove out of the way and let Alomar Sr. take the punch during the fight with the Marlins a few years back.
And he and Wright have been reported to be close forever.
The idea of him pulling a knife is so asinine and ludicrous and is almost certainly utterly fabricated.
As is so much of what is written and reported on the Internet today.
WTF are you talking about!!!! Go check yourself into a nut house because you’re delusional!!!
“I’m very happy here. This team wants to win. That’s why I came here to Miami, because of the opportunity to win. I’ve been, like, nine years in the big leagues and I didn’t win anything yet. We went to the playoffs once in New York. I want to win a World Series. I think on this team I have a better opportunity.”
Couldn’t have said it better… This team is not going anywhere anytime SOON. but don’t worry,This year you will win a championship jose, best of luck in miami….
You sure about that? Miami isn’t gonna win it this year. All they’re gonna be is the Philadelphia Eagles of baseball: All the hype around them coming into the season, people thinking they’ll win it all, only for them to fall flat on their face.
that, and the very real spector that if the team falls short (and attedance lags) they may get dismantaled quickly. Or sold outright? Something along those lines is right up Loria’s alley.
so betting (as Jose did) that the marlins will be any good in 2-3 years, or that he will even be on the team, was not sure thing.
Yes, i am 100% THEY’
They will win it all, it’s my prediction and i am sticking to it… Angels, tigers, yankees and red sox are the powerhouses in the AL. Miami, Phillies are the power houses on the NL imo..
How does that change if Johnson goes through his normal injury issues? He’s pitched one full season out of 7.
they were 72-90 last year. they aren’t even a sure bet to make the playoffs in the NL East. They could easily end up in 3rd or 4th (even last if the wheels really come off) and miss the playoffs altogether.
To each his own. I highly doubt that the Marlins will live up to the hype though. Just don’t count out the WORLD CHAMPION St. Louis Cardinals, even if they lost Pujols. You also shouldn’t count out the back to back defending AL Champion Rangers.
well, those quotes about why he moved are pretty much standard canned responses given by every player in every sport when they move on as a FA.
And Miami is far from some kind of favorite to go to the WS. Playoffs possible? Sure, along with a number of other teams, but still a relative long shot.
what I find most amusing about the whole love aspect of it is how Miami hated him so bad that they got up to beat the Mets because of his outrageous showboating, since it apparently was disrespecting baseball, motherhood and apple pie. Yet, they are willing to sign him, when suddenly showboating becomes joyful exuberence!
Never heard of Jose being a “cancer” in the clubhouse, either. If anything, heard it was the opposite.
I could deal with watching Tejada playing short for the Mets day in and day out but can’t deal with the games watching Jose playing short for Miami.
The more it gets closer to opening day, I think the more Met fans realize how absurd it was not to at least have tried to retain him. If money is so bad that we can’t afford to keep our 28 year old homegrown, all-star shortstop with the rifle arm and bat that led the league in hitting this past year, then it’s a sad state of affairs. A club owned by a conglomorate not able to absorb the expense of a reasonable contract offer (even if eventually rejected by Jose) even with that $70 million loss is in worse shape that one could imagine.
Sandy was being quite honest when he said the team just couldn’t afford him and that is an indication of how serious the financial stability of Sterling Equities is. That is believable. But any other reasons like Jose being injury prone, having an unproven Tejada in the wings, him not fitting in with the rebuilding plans, money ball showing that he would not be a good investment, etc. is all BS.
I never heard of the clubhouse cancer stuff and don’t buy it. However, if you want to say incredibly immature? I would bet on it. All the rumors of needed guys like Valentin to baby sit him and how Castillo was a bad influence. I always wondered why one of the faces of the franchise and cornerstones needed a baby sitter to make sure he did not stay out partying all night, kept his head in the game and kept his body ready for a full season. Obviously we don’t know if any of that is true but it could explain why his body would break down mentally and physically every September.
I never heard of Castillo being a bad influence. I heard nasty stuff being said by some bloggers and reporters as he was being cut, but I don’t buy it. During his tenure, I’d only heard that Castillo busted his ass for the team.
That story was all in the media as an excuse for Reyes’ awful September in 2008.
Mke Francesa reported a day or two after the 07 crash that so and so in the Mets organization had concerns about Castllo being a bad influence on Reyes, but nothing came out of that. I don’t think they would’ve given Castillo a 4 year extension if they really felt that way.
I always thought Reys was very mature. 19 years old in NYC with some money in his pocket, no family around and never a hint of off the field trouble. Not even so much as being late even once.
The whole handshaking thing is overblown and came from guys like Manny, David and Pedro and was passed down from these elders to the kids on the way up. Think other teams loved all of Manny’s antics? You just didn’t hear much about it cause he had already earned his rep. Jose hadn’t yet but that’s where he got that stuff from and being an energetic guy who enjoys the game followed suit.
For me he played hard and unless he was hurt never got a day off. never begged out of the lineup (like Straw for instance) caused any controversy, needed extra attention, special rules or acted like a spoiled brat. Not even once.
tag — Jose was a kid when he first came up and at times he just acted his age. There is nothing wrong with it. From time to time, during a game he was caught staring a bit at a pretty female in the stands. So what? Again, he was young and there’s nothing wrong with that. To put it into perspecive, Jose was a gamer, but using his old teammate, Lastings Milledge, as a yardstick, who played head games with the team, the managers, and the press, Jose wins hands down. Give me a Jose rather than a Lastings eight days a week. He combined it all with great athletic ability and no hostility I ever saw.
Staring at a lady in the stands?
Hey Des – Happy St. Paddy’s Day. Have you read Darryl Strawberry’s book yet? It’s very good and very honest. Looking at a pretty lady was hardly on their agenda in the late 80′s
I know they were the Bad Guys, but wow……..
And Happy Saint Patrick’s Day to you, Kay, and to all those who are Irish or are Irish just for today. Actually there was more regarding Jose’s eyeball visits to the fetching females in the stands. The veteran players for the most part found it humorous, just part of Jose being Jose at his young age. It seems to me that it’s just a case of hormones and opportunity getting together.
Regarding Strawberry: No, I haven’t read it. But I did read “High and Tight:: The Rise and Fall of Dwight Gooden and Darryl Strawberry”. It was written by Bob Klapisch. Both those guys couldn’t deal with their fame. Gooden was a well meaning kid who was too inquisitive about bad habits for his own good. Strawberry was portrayed more as a thug. His sense of self-entitlement and his lack of respect for others in the game of baseball led to his downfall.
I’ll go along with the immaturity issues, especially in his early career. I believe we had many debates over at TRDM on that vs. selfishness, which I never bought into as some did/do.
I read yesterday where he commented on his relationship with Hanley saying it’s all good.. Used the example of being at each other’s house just about every day playing video games and what not. I’m thinking to myself he certainly lives a charmed life. Married, 3 kids, a professional baseball player and star and he’s got time to be playing video games every day? LOL….maybe it’s my age or the difference between having boatloads of money or not, but that wasn’t my life in my mid 20s…….
Who said Reyes was a clubhouse cancer? What story about Reyes, Wright & a knife? Never heard of that.. and what beat writers called this the “Showdown of the Century”
I googled it in quotations and found nobody using the reference. Was it actually beat writers? Or a few kid bloggers who live in FLA?
It is going to be VERY hard watching Jose in Miami rainbow. When you can’t afford your best player, something is wrong. Good luck to you Jose.
My hunch is those stories about a knife were fabricated by those who have nothing better to do than to make up stories and post them on the web are imature kids thinking they are being clever or cute or older ones who should know better and probably need to get a life.
I mean, do Reyes and Wright remotely appear as Riff and Bernardo?
I am guessing that was just another baseball fan conspiracy story. Those are on blogs all the time. Most likely there was a rumor about how a player was being disciplined and the team was using an injury to cover it up and then 7th hand it turned into that.
2002 Marlins were 79-83 2003 Marlins: WON WS!!!
1990 Atlanta Braves 65-97 1991 Atlanta Bravs Reached the WS
1989 Cincinnati Reds: 75-87 1990 Cincinnati Reds: WON WS
Yeah, just because a team finished with a poor record the previous year doesn’t mean they CANNOT win the WS… DA….
Obviously not. My question as above is how certain are you that Johnson can pitch an entire season? He’s only done it once in 7 years. If not then their staff is just good not great. I think they also lack depth to cover some key areas in the event of an injury.
My pick to win it all is the MARLINS…. Obviously EVERYteam has injury… it’s up to the rest of the team and other players to carry the load.. i think that with reyes at the top and stanton in the middle plus ozzie guillen managing, that team will be a force… pitching is more needed in the playoffs, but u think they’ll score A LOT OF RUNS…
ALEX, HOW COULD YOU FORGET THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE OF THEM ALL????!
1968 New York Mets were 73-89, 1969 Mets (100-62) WON WORLD SERIES!
Which shows that a team which finishes ninth (impossible today) and last five of the previous seven years, losing an average 105 games during that time frame, doesn’t mean they can’t win the world series either!
Joe
1988 Reds 87-74 Second in NL West
1987 Reds 84-78 Second in NL West
1986 Reds 86-76 Second in NL West
1985 Reds 89-72 Second in NL West
Hmmm, maybe 1990 was a fluke.
So, all you have is 2 examples that buck the trend. The overwhelming majority of times a team finishes 18 games under .500, they do not make the World Series the following year.
Very true of course.
But the Marlins have a possibly healthy Josh Johnson and Hanley Ramirez—Cy Young and MVP candidates if healthy.
And they added Reyes, Bell, Buehrle, and a manager who has won a WS.
That does set them apart from most teams coming off a last place finish.
But the Nats could be even better than the Marlins…
Agreed Kong. I think the Nats are going to be very strong this year.
It is easier now though with the unbalanced schedule in that a barely last place team could hit their stride the next year and have the other 4 teams go south thereby getting almost half their games against weak teams then win 8 games before losing the wrong 4 and get to the Series.
Last year for example Detroit won 95 games by going 50-22 in the Central and .500 against everyone else, the year before they were 81-81 but only 4 games over .500 inside the Central.
Basically the difference is Minn was 30 games worse and The ChiSox and Indians swapped 10 games and KC stayed pitiful. Tigers 95 wins probably wasn’t as good as the Red Sox 90 but in a weak division…..
A lot of teams big moves up or down the ladder have as much to do with the other 4 teams in their division as it does with them.
The Marlins being 72-90 was due in large to the fact that Josh Johnson went down early in the season and Hanley having a bad year up until he got hurt. Before their June Swoon they were playing fairly well. They were probably a 500 team if those 2 were healthy and contributing.
Josh Johnson and Hanley Ramirez are not a 9 game difference
If both are playing the way they’re capable there’s no reason why they couldn’t be. They averaged 83 wins the previous 3 years. I don’t see why they couldn’t win 80 games if they were healthy and playing well last year. They were 31-22 on June 1st.
I’d say they could make an 8 game difference. One of the best pitchers in baseball and their best hitter. At least going into 2011 he was. Hanley missed the 1st 2 weeks of June after they started off 31-22 and they went 5-23. I would think having them both adds a few wins to that 5-23 record. He was healthy and playing better in July and they went 17-10 even without Johnson. Then he got hurt against us on Aug 2nd, missed the rest of the year and they went 19-35 the rest of the way without him. I don’t think they win more than 86 games this year and if Johnson isn’t healthy more like 80.
and since 1991 6 times teams have gone from last place to playing in the World Series in consecutive seasons:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081019&content_id=3632190&vkey=ps2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
they should have listed records too, since that is mroe meaningful than just finishing last in a division. Sometimes that can be close to .500, which is a big difference from say winning 65 games.
nah, i know what you’re trying to get at, because then you can go back every 20 years prior to 1991 and check records of teams that finished in last then went to World Series the next season, and so on and then people can add any type of ammunition to their argument they like. You can do that research, i’m too busy right now.
It’s just to prove a point that yes teams can finish last one season and go to the World Series the next and it’s not the most rare thing in the world.
So, out of 60 last place finishers since 1991, 6 have made the World Series?
How many of those teams finished consistently under .500? It is one thing to say a team that had one sub-.500 season in 5 years (like the Reds) has a shot at the World Series.
It is completely different to guarentee a team that is under .500 for the last 4 years (mainly because of the last 2) will win the World Series. Especially when those other teams suceeded in years their division was weak and the team in question is playing in a strong division.
Sorry, but the odds are against alex’s Marlins. Less than 10%, even with their checkbook baseball.
Wow, typo. it is actually 108 last place finishes since 1991.
barely 1/2% of last place finishers go on to the World Series the next year.
Stupid dyslexia. 5.5% of last place finishes.
i’ll make it easy for you and save you time w/your ridiculous numbers crunching, it’s happened 6 times since 1991, even if it’s a million teams. 6 times is not that rare and it also does not matter if they stunk for 4 years previous.
While not a regular thing it’s not that uncommon as well and who knows how many times before 1991.
The numbers are deceiving.
Did you say that 6 times out of a million is not rare?
I know “rare” is a relative term, but we’re talking seasonal sporting leagues, not cosmic events. I can’t see how in this instance, a reasonable person can’t see 6/1,000,000 is rare.
Yes, >6% is rare.
I like how you try and throw numbers around, but when those numbers are put into context to show how wrong you are, you go running to your hollow cliches.
It doesn’t matter because they are a much different team than last year. They now have one of the best leadoff hitters in baseball, a solid starter, one of the best closers in baseball, and a new manager. And if they get comeback seasons from Johnson and Ramirez, it would be like adding a top of the rotation starer, and a great hitter, on top of adding Reyes, Buehrle, and Bell.
How many other last place teams can say all that?
I wouldn’t pick them to win it all, but I don’t think it’s impossible for them to do it either – They have a nice team.
“It doesn’t matter because they are a much different team than last year.”
So are the Nats, and they were better than the Marlin’s last year.
“They now have one of the best leadoff hitters in baseball, a solid starter, one of the best closers in baseball, and a new manager.”
The Nats have 5 solid starters, a better bullpen all around (closers are a waste), better defensively up the middle, their manager doesn’t gripe about clubhouse stuff to the media, none of their starters have gotten into dug out brawls and their 3B has never thrown teammates under the bus or run managers out of town.
“How many other last place teams can say all that?”
Which is what will make it funny if the guppies do finish in last again.
“I wouldn’t pick them to win it all, but I don’t think it’s impossible for them to do it either – They have a nice team.”
It is entirely possible they do buy another ring. You wouldn’t make too much money betting on it.
It is just silly the way alex proclaims it and completely dismisses any argument to the contrary.
Again, you and several others miss: Its not the idea the person is expressing that is drawing ridicule, it is the manner in which s/he expresses it.
My point was the percentage of last place teams making the WS the next year doesn’t matter in this case because the Marlins are a much improved team. Nothing you said changed that.
So, no other last place team improved?
Are you telling the fact that the Nats drastically improved and are superior to the guppies in several key spots does not negatively affect their chances of making the playoffs, never mind winning the World Series?
Hand waving doesn’t make facts go away. You can claim something doesn’t matter, but you can’t change the fact that it is the elephant in the room.
Very few last place teams have improved as much as the Marlins did – That’s my point.
The Nats are improved too, but I still think they are a year away. Their lineup is very weak, and keep in mind that Strasburg is going to be on a innings limit.
Another good one would be the Tigers. They didn’t finish last, but they were 71-91 in 05 and made the WS the next year.
The point about the unbalanced schedule and diluted divisions of five teams each inflating one’s record is so true and that is why so many of us more “traditionalists” miss the old days of the winner take all system. Now our post-season has become like that of the other sports – a tournament where even a just above mediocre team has the chance to get hot and win it all. And often many can’t recognize a just above average team based on their records. That being said, if the Mets were in the weak N.L. West, they would be rated as having an outside chance of winning the division or making it as a wild card – not underdogs and especially not a 70 game winner.
Doesn’t this also make statistical comparison, both traditional and advanced, quite difficult? Would Ryan Braun (even without the Roids) have such powerful numbers if he wasn’t facing Pittsburgh, Houston and the Cubs as often as he did? How much did the Rangers pad their record playing in a four team division in which two of the other teams were Oakland and Seattle? How many home runs will Albert Puljos now hit playing in that same division?
45 years ago it was much simpler. All we had to wonder was how a player or team would do playing in the other league. The American League was looked down as being so inferior to the National League that fans often asked if the Twins or Baltimore could have been league champions if they were in the senior circuit instead? How many no-hitters would Sandy Koufax have had facing weak American League hitting? The 1967 Cardinals resented the attention Carl Yaztremski got winning the triple crown citing he would never have had such a year playing in their league (they yelled out they were drinking Yawkey’s beer after game seven).
Oh yes, the three division play and two wildcards have made it more exciting for the fans. But that doesn’t mean it is better. The new system was implemented to generate millions of dollars more by having fans fill the seats in September in cities whose teams would otherwise be planning their winter vacations by that time. The last day of the season last year proved just that.
Dang all this back and forth and no one will answer my question. How confident are you in the Marlins if Johnson is not able to pitch a full season? And why would you expect him to pitch a full season? 1/7 years he has had a full season. If he is not an ace for them, they don’t have one.