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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/03/prospect-pulse-spring-training-updates.html#comment-238349</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which would explain why since the incorporation of these Pitch counts, Most starters only last 4 or 5 years at their competitive best and have a hard time getting into the 7th and 8th inning and forced us to need things like 8th and 9th inning specialist!

Before Pitch counts pitchers would regularly throw complete games!

See many lately?

Do weightlifters get better by lifting lesser weights more days or more weight in less days?

Ask me if you build up to lift the larger weight you will be  able to handle MORE stress and more often is just a matter of decreasing the rest period over time!

On days he needs another day so be it but at least your going to get more per day!
The body really only takes three days to heal from any stress put on it.
Thats why the do their inbetween tosses on day three...
This whol pitch count thing may be widely accepted but it hasn&#039;t proved to keep players healthier longer in fact the data shows it&#039;s just the opposite!

And if they learn to pitch longer when they are tired and still be effective that will have learned how to be effective earlier in the game without having to gas themselves and throw 100 MPH ever pitch!

But thats what happens when you let a Radar gun and clicker dictate your physical regimen!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which would explain why since the incorporation of these Pitch counts, Most starters only last 4 or 5 years at their competitive best and have a hard time getting into the 7th and 8th inning and forced us to need things like 8th and 9th inning specialist!</p>
<p>Before Pitch counts pitchers would regularly throw complete games!</p>
<p>See many lately?</p>
<p>Do weightlifters get better by lifting lesser weights more days or more weight in less days?</p>
<p>Ask me if you build up to lift the larger weight you will be  able to handle MORE stress and more often is just a matter of decreasing the rest period over time!</p>
<p>On days he needs another day so be it but at least your going to get more per day!<br />
The body really only takes three days to heal from any stress put on it.<br />
Thats why the do their inbetween tosses on day three&#8230;<br />
This whol pitch count thing may be widely accepted but it hasn&#8217;t proved to keep players healthier longer in fact the data shows it&#8217;s just the opposite!</p>
<p>And if they learn to pitch longer when they are tired and still be effective that will have learned how to be effective earlier in the game without having to gas themselves and throw 100 MPH ever pitch!</p>
<p>But thats what happens when you let a Radar gun and clicker dictate your physical regimen!</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/03/prospect-pulse-spring-training-updates.html#comment-238316</link>
		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well I do know that even in high school they are very concerned about pitch counts more so than the amount of starts. 

I also know that even with the Rangers one of their biggest concerns with Yu was the ability to adapt to a 5 day rotation, which is also why he went ahead and switched to that last year in Japan to make the adjustment easier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I do know that even in high school they are very concerned about pitch counts more so than the amount of starts. </p>
<p>I also know that even with the Rangers one of their biggest concerns with Yu was the ability to adapt to a 5 day rotation, which is also why he went ahead and switched to that last year in Japan to make the adjustment easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah what reason is that TRS?
Have you heard what Nolan Ryan and Seaver have had to say about that?

Have you ever had to pitch every 5 days and know from experience which is harder to overcome, Two extra innings (7 Innings) every 6 or 7 days or 10 Innings every 10?

Hmmm?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah what reason is that TRS?<br />
Have you heard what Nolan Ryan and Seaver have had to say about that?</p>
<p>Have you ever had to pitch every 5 days and know from experience which is harder to overcome, Two extra innings (7 Innings) every 6 or 7 days or 10 Innings every 10?</p>
<p>Hmmm?</p>
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		<title>By: Donal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its not like the farm system was deep on talent, anyway. Whoever they lose will probably just be filler, anyway. the talented kids will still be in the system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not like the farm system was deep on talent, anyway. Whoever they lose will probably just be filler, anyway. the talented kids will still be in the system.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That extra day of  rest does nothing to help throwing too many pitches or over exerting the arm because of it.  You can even ask your buddy Bay on that one.  There is a reason that every organization counts pitch counts for their players and yet still tries to keep them on a normal rotation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That extra day of  rest does nothing to help throwing too many pitches or over exerting the arm because of it.  You can even ask your buddy Bay on that one.  There is a reason that every organization counts pitch counts for their players and yet still tries to keep them on a normal rotation.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/03/prospect-pulse-spring-training-updates.html#comment-238306</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But that is precisely when the arm gets built up!
Thats EXACTLY what the kid need to learn to pitch though to be a successful MLB starter!

And the extra day or two of rest should mitigate any stress from going two more innings.
He gets more recovery time as well!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that is precisely when the arm gets built up!<br />
Thats EXACTLY what the kid need to learn to pitch though to be a successful MLB starter!</p>
<p>And the extra day or two of rest should mitigate any stress from going two more innings.<br />
He gets more recovery time as well!</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[However I think that most agree that it&#039;s the amount of pitches per start and the duress of those pitches are what they are more concerned with in terms of resulting in an injury.  Trying to reach back and throw hard in the 90th pitch as opposed how many games they start.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However I think that most agree that it&#8217;s the amount of pitches per start and the duress of those pitches are what they are more concerned with in terms of resulting in an injury.  Trying to reach back and throw hard in the 90th pitch as opposed how many games they start.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well see my comment above about the 5 day sched....

I still think the extra day of rest and making them go 6-7 would be better for them in the longterm....

While going every 5th day seems like it&#039;s tough thing to do it&#039;s not as tough as making it through the order the third time around which is what seperates the good starters from the crap!

That low in the Minors should be about what you do per game, not about how many games you do it in.

Maybe this system explains why Pelfrey, Niese and Gee have issues when the 6th inning hits because they don&#039;t have a lot of experience with having to face that lineup the third time around in the Minors!

Just something to think about not saying we are doing anything differently than anyone else!
But if the goal is to develop the minors better then maybe doing it differently would be a good first step!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well see my comment above about the 5 day sched&#8230;.</p>
<p>I still think the extra day of rest and making them go 6-7 would be better for them in the longterm&#8230;.</p>
<p>While going every 5th day seems like it&#8217;s tough thing to do it&#8217;s not as tough as making it through the order the third time around which is what seperates the good starters from the crap!</p>
<p>That low in the Minors should be about what you do per game, not about how many games you do it in.</p>
<p>Maybe this system explains why Pelfrey, Niese and Gee have issues when the 6th inning hits because they don&#8217;t have a lot of experience with having to face that lineup the third time around in the Minors!</p>
<p>Just something to think about not saying we are doing anything differently than anyone else!<br />
But if the goal is to develop the minors better then maybe doing it differently would be a good first step!</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL, that was my first thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, that was my first thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/03/prospect-pulse-spring-training-updates.html#comment-238298</link>
		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well the body might be habit forming but it takes a lot longer to stretch a guy out from pen to starter and get his body acclimated to that then it does to get him on a 5 day cycle!
And you have AA and AAA to do that when he gets promoted!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the body might be habit forming but it takes a lot longer to stretch a guy out from pen to starter and get his body acclimated to that then it does to get him on a 5 day cycle!<br />
And you have AA and AAA to do that when he gets promoted!</p>
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		<title>By: stick</title>
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		<dc:creator>stick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[probably not that many, since I thought it ended up shifting more guys back into extended ST 9and whatever they call the group that just stays in PSL working out instead of going onto a &quot;real&quot; team)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>probably not that many, since I thought it ended up shifting more guys back into extended ST 9and whatever they call the group that just stays in PSL working out instead of going onto a &#8220;real&#8221; team)</p>
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		<title>By: stick</title>
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		<dc:creator>stick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that does look like a picture from a little league game doesn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that does look like a picture from a little league game doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Original Mets Fan</title>
		<link>http://metsmerizedonline.com/2012/03/prospect-pulse-spring-training-updates.html#comment-238292</link>
		<dc:creator>Original Mets Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for updates like these. I wonder how many less players the Mets will have this year on the farm because of  subtracting the PSL affiliate?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for updates like these. I wonder how many less players the Mets will have this year on the farm because of  subtracting the PSL affiliate?</p>
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		<title>By: stick</title>
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		<dc:creator>stick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[they move guys in and out though to keep the innings down.  So a guy might start for a while, then be in the pen for a while, switching with a different player.

Also, I know that at some of th elower levels the Mets (not sure about other organizations) &quot;piggy back&quot; guys, so that 2 guys share a rotation spot.  Both stay on a starters schedule, but 1 guy will start the game and go 5, and the other guy will come out of the pen for a couple innings. Something along those lines.

and I assume they want to keep them on a 5 day schdule to get them used to that routine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they move guys in and out though to keep the innings down.  So a guy might start for a while, then be in the pen for a while, switching with a different player.</p>
<p>Also, I know that at some of th elower levels the Mets (not sure about other organizations) &#8220;piggy back&#8221; guys, so that 2 guys share a rotation spot.  Both stay on a starters schedule, but 1 guy will start the game and go 5, and the other guy will come out of the pen for a couple innings. Something along those lines.</p>
<p>and I assume they want to keep them on a 5 day schdule to get them used to that routine.</p>
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		<title>By: trs86</title>
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		<dc:creator>trs86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know the body is so habit forming and to get these guys used to that recovery time I think it best to limit pitches instead of starts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know the body is so habit forming and to get these guys used to that recovery time I think it best to limit pitches instead of starts.</p>
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		<title>By: srt</title>
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		<dc:creator>srt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for bringing us some insight to the kids.  Love reading these.

Alonzo Harris.....from this picture he looks about 13 years old.
Man, I&#039;m getting old.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for bringing us some insight to the kids.  Love reading these.</p>
<p>Alonzo Harris&#8230;..from this picture he looks about 13 years old.<br />
Man, I&#8217;m getting old&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Metsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know Pete you got me thinking...
Something I never really considered before because I don&#039;t pay a whole lot of attention to A and AA ball...

But it seems odd that they limit the starters to 5 that low down and those who don&#039;t win a start wind up becoming BP arms.

I don&#039;t see any reason to force kids that young to go every 5 days and wonder why they would hurt the development of other stater capable players by limiting it to 5.

Seems to me a 6 or 7 (Maybe even 8) man rotation would be better as it allows more guys to work on being starters (thats what you really want them all to be since BP help is a dime a dozen) and it would put a little less stress on the kids and maybe avoid some of the injuries our MiL starters have been afflicted with.

While I agree a 5 man rotation is in order for AAA where your preparing for the routine of the MLB squad I don&#039;t see any reason for it below AAA.

Your Pen should be dictated by who failed as a starter not by how many starting slots you have.
And with a 6 or 7 man rotation you could use some of them in between starts on their normal BP session schedule to come in as a reliever for an inning when needed.

Seems a waste to have more than 5 guys who could be starters and wasting some because of your rotation limitations.
In A Ball especially it&#039;s about working to be the most you can be and not the place where a competition should judge how much development and what you get developed to be.

I think expanding the A and AA ball rotation would be a good thing long term!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Pete you got me thinking&#8230;<br />
Something I never really considered before because I don&#8217;t pay a whole lot of attention to A and AA ball&#8230;</p>
<p>But it seems odd that they limit the starters to 5 that low down and those who don&#8217;t win a start wind up becoming BP arms.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any reason to force kids that young to go every 5 days and wonder why they would hurt the development of other stater capable players by limiting it to 5.</p>
<p>Seems to me a 6 or 7 (Maybe even 8) man rotation would be better as it allows more guys to work on being starters (thats what you really want them all to be since BP help is a dime a dozen) and it would put a little less stress on the kids and maybe avoid some of the injuries our MiL starters have been afflicted with.</p>
<p>While I agree a 5 man rotation is in order for AAA where your preparing for the routine of the MLB squad I don&#8217;t see any reason for it below AAA.</p>
<p>Your Pen should be dictated by who failed as a starter not by how many starting slots you have.<br />
And with a 6 or 7 man rotation you could use some of them in between starts on their normal BP session schedule to come in as a reliever for an inning when needed.</p>
<p>Seems a waste to have more than 5 guys who could be starters and wasting some because of your rotation limitations.<br />
In A Ball especially it&#8217;s about working to be the most you can be and not the place where a competition should judge how much development and what you get developed to be.</p>
<p>I think expanding the A and AA ball rotation would be a good thing long term!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete, as usual nice work man.. you&#039;ve been great for us and this site.. The CORE salute you for all the hard work..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, as usual nice work man.. you&#8217;ve been great for us and this site.. The CORE salute you for all the hard work..</p>
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