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They aren’t all that good, holding onto them in the hopes they can fill a position they are not suited for is dumb and we might as well packages them in a Quantity for QUALITY deal that at least fills ONE HOLE correctly as opposed to four holes REALLY BADLY!

No one is suggesting we trade away Harvey or Wheeler but everyone seems to think that we need to to get something good!
ONLY if your limited thinking leads you to believe you have to overpay to get something!
You don’t need to swap your best prospect for someone else’s best prospect!
SOmetime all it takes is four GOOD prospects you can’t use anyway to get get someone else’s top prospect because the guys you have DO fill the holes they have!

Either these guys are good and will get you the good hole filling guys who actually play the positons where the holes are or they are not very good and we might as well ship them all off for guys who do!

Either they are gold and are worth trading for what you need, or they are not and worth trading multiples to get what we REALLy need!

Thats all I’m saying here!
If they aren’t all that good then they really aren’t going to fill holes and certainly not if they are fill spots that put them out of position!

Trade them off to get what does fill a hole naturally and draft better from now on!

That wasn’t the sense I was getting from you about trades though. I thought it was minor leaguers for a #2 starter but yeah I would love to see the Mets active in moving some minor leaguers for other minor leaguers that are a better fit but just keep in mind that our system is about 18th overall with the majority of it’s value tied up in Harvey, Familia, Wheeler and Mejia who I would be VERY reluctant to move and after that the drop off is severe and the one strength that we do have is depth which would soon become a weakness if we made the 3-1 prospect type swap.

Right now our “glut” at MI in really no different than anyone else’s and most of them have the higher end prospect as well or established you ML starters in place.

Best thing for us to do is trade from the 25 for guys in the minors, for instance Cinn could very well have a need for a 3B. We have two in Wright and Murphy and Lutz, Flores, Marte backing them up so that’s a potential match but they’d take Murphy and not offer much. SD on the other hand is loaded with catchers but also loaded with 3B so there’s no fit.

Our MI prospects are really no more intriguing than anyone else already has.

Wait till July and hope to catch someone whose desperate.

Can’t see Garza making that much of a difference to out weigh what those prospects might do for us one day or bring in a bigger trade down the road.

BECAUSE we are holding on too closely to guys who can’t FILL the holes we have instead of trading them for guys who CAN!

WHO could have predicted that?

EVERYONE!!!!!

Srt you say there are so many holes then mention Pen and Rotation and forget I’m saying all our prospect glut we have at 2B/SS should be traded for a Catcher or to shore up that starting rotation!

Almost the entire line-up is one big question mark.
The BP is the great unknown.
The SP is mediocre at best – Johan making it back non-withstanding – especially compared to the rest of the NL east.

I have no problem trading prospects for glaring holes if it’s the right call.
Right now though, just don’t have the opinion that the addition of a decent SP is going to make much of a difference for the ’12 season.

But I guess I started this.

How many middle infield prospects do we have and how many holes do we have they can fill without changing their position and moving to the OF?

What is Flores going to fill the CF spot?
Is he going to fill the void when Wright gets traded?
Is he going to play 2B then?
Murphy to 3rd in that scenario?
Then what of Valdespin?

We had 1B depth with Davis and Duda, You have seen Duda play RF you think he has actually filled a hole there?
Thats what your proposing to do with those Middle IFers!

Your holding onto kids to fill holes you have already filled with OTHER prospects you didnt’t trade away and now have to play out of position!
And they play the positions the current prospects you want to keep play naturally!

So your not really filling holes just playing whack a mole with your prospects putting the square prospects in the continuing chain of square holes that makes you say 4 years from now we have all these holes because every prospect is playing out of position!

Instead I propose to trade them away for EQUAL prospects that fill holes without being put out nof position!

Trade Flores for a good catching prospect and it it take some other kids we have no use for to sweeten the pot so be it!

But hoarding kids you have no place to play because you hoarded kids and put them out of position from what you drafted them to fill is as dumb as hoarding FAs to fill a role for 4 years and then having no one to fill when they are traded away fro more kids!

You may have the best BA list in the MLB but they will all fail when you eventually promote them because they can’t fill the holes you have and your forced to use them there anyway!

All because you were too AFRAID to trade for the prospects you NEEDED with the ones you have but can not fuill the position!

Flores is a corner IF/OFer. Valdespin may or may not wind up moving to a corner as well and it’s no guarantee that he’ll hit for enough average even if he stays. Havens is no sure thing, Tovar may never hit and Muno and Evans are 3-4 years away and who knows how they’ll develop so that’s a complete fallacy that we are all set at MI over the next 10 years. Hell Tejada’s not even a sure thing even though I like him quite a bit, and have for a few years now but what if he got hurt? Turner at SS? You have got to be kidding us right? Right? do you consider Murphy a sure thing at 2B? No need for a backup for him?

The reality is that guys like Valdespin, (errors/high K’s low walks) Tovar (good glove bad stick) and Havens (good stick, average glove can’t stay healthy) are already in everyone’s system already. Most teams already have better prospects at MI than these guys so why would they give up a #2 pitcher for something they already have better this?

That deal consists of four guys who all wound up on BA’s List and I have no issue throwing in a valdespin evans and Pridie onto that list as well!

We had them all a the time of that deal!

It’s been the other way around entirely going all the way back to Mazz/Darling, Terrill and Diaz/Bailor, Sid, Perhaps you could include Bonilla – Ochoa/Buford and Alomar – Ring but those were partially salary deals too.

Since 1987 it’s all been about us taking from the future in order to address the present and that’s about the only thing we’ve been successful with but our overall success has been piss poor. Twenty three years, three playoff appearances, three near misses and seventeen seasons out of it.

Facts are we’ve been attempting to address every shortcoming by trading prospects and giving away draft choices and it hasn’t worked. Every single member of our starting eight has questions about him, our rotation is mediocre and the bench not very strong either.

To sacrifice some of our future yet again would be assinine right now because a team as overall questionable as we are right now, with a farm as overall average as it is, is not a good mix for a 4-1 deal that would move our farm back to the bottom of the pack.

You never know unless you try!
Heard anything about Sandy offerring some Kids who play the Middle IF for something that could fill a hole and remove the 2B/SS logjam there?
You instead would rather convert a SS to CFer all because he’s on BA’s list as opposed to trading him for a real CF prospect instead?

Is every kid in your MiL that shows promise untouchable and the only way you can build the MiLs is via trading all stars one up for a kid?
At that rate it will be 2030 before you get enough kids to say you were successful!

You have to give away whatyou think is good to get something that is good!
Thats not bad to do it’s only bad when you take what is good at one thing and try to make him do something else because of your FEAR of striking out in a trade!