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2012
Mets Will Get Wright Return On David This Season
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David Wright has been the subject of trade rumors since last season. Over the past few years we keep hearing how he is not the same player he used to be. When you really sit down and look at it, is he really that far off from what he was a couple of seasons ago?
If you really look at his career, yes he has taken a downturn over the past few seasons, but not as much as you might think.
Looking at his numbers you can obviously see that some numbers have changed. We all know about the strikeouts, but if you take that away his overall numbers are not that far off from what they were a few seasons ago. His On-Base Percentage has dipped over the past two seasons, but that is a direct result of his batting average being lower, which aside from last season is has been in line with his career numbers. Last year was an injury riddled season for Wright and he never really got on track.
His 2010 season, aside from the strikeouts he was mostly in line with his career numbers. His average dipped to .283 which is still respectable, his power numbers and production were right up with what we thought he would do after his back to back 30 home runs seasons.
Regardless of what David says, he was affected by the dimensions of Citi Field. It got into his head and the 415 mark in right center took away one of the things he did best, driving the ball the other way.
A couple weeks ago he was a guest on WFAN and Mike Francesa said “If I were you I would have been angry that they changed the dimensions the way they did”. David of course side stepped the question, and gave the politically correct answer, but the point was made. The Mets organization made a bone headed move with the dimensions when they created the new park. They have attempted to fix it now as they will have a much more fair ballpark this season.
The new dimensions will be much closer to the ones in Shea Stadium where David thrived and had his best seasons as a pro.
He is one year older and has gone through some adversity with the injuries, trade talks and departures to key veteran players. All of which will help him grow into the leader the Mets had hoped he would be. He is last man standing and there is nobody else to look to as a leader on this club.
When he was on with Francesa he referenced to being the teams longest tenured player on the roster. He said that he can’t believe it has been 9 years already and he is last one standing from the group of Reyes, Delgado and Beltran.
Wright says that he plans to take a more active approach in his leadership role this season. He said he wants to be to the young players on the roster now, what guys like Paul Lo Duca, Cliff Floyd and Al Leiter were to him when he first came up.
Wright is maturing as a player and as a person. Some of his flaws may be here to stay, but he is still young and is more than capable of returning to David Wright we all remember and thought he would be.
About the Author: Dan Valis
I am a staff writer for Mets Merized Online. I am a Mets team analyst with a focus on the minor league system, as well as the major league club. I am a lifelong New Yorker who was born and raised to be a Mets fan. The ups and downs of being a Mets fan is what makes following this team so much fun, but at times so frustrating. You can follow me on Twitter @BgAppleMetsTalk.
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I can’t see Wright being traded before opening day and with his option being a Mets only one, unless there was a dire emergency upgrade needed by someone truly in the hunt who was willing to PAY big in prospects I can’t see him going.
Next off season? Possibly but once opening day comes it’ll be the same situation.
I’d plan to keep him for the next 2 years and keep my ears open but expect to take the two picks in the 2014 draft.
I have said all along I think his greatest value to the team is to keep him for 1.5 more years and at the trade deadline in 2013 make the decision if you are going to build around him or net something from him.
Let me clarify a few things said in this article:
His On-Base Percentage has dipped over the past two seasons, but that is a direct result of his batting average being lower” – YOU HEAR THAT TRS86
The new dimensions will be much closer to the ones in Shea Stadium where David thrived and had his best seasons as a pro” – NO REYES, NO BELTRAN AND NO DELGADO…
You’re little illusion that this guy will be back to be who he was 5 years ago is just that, an ILLUSION, i mean, as a fan yeah you’d want that, but the reality of it is that more things should be taken in consideration as well, he’s older, banged up in his back, which is the equivalent to a speedy guy having hamstring issues right? because he is supposed to be a power hitter right? also, i expect him to be gone sooner than later, if sandy needs to “start anew” and have his roster of young players this guy was part of that core that could’ve been champions but weren’t. i hope he does have a good half and then be traded for prospects, i am surprise he’s here still when everyone else who made him better is gone..
LoL, you got that TRS? If you get fewer hits, you’ll be on base fewer times. Thanks for the clarification, Alex.
Yeah, it’s amazing how that works. You mean that OBP is a measure of hitting and walking combined leading to how often they get on base and do not make an out? Wow.
NO…..OBP is a measure of getting on base…
You don’t need to hit or walk to get OB!
You can GET hit too!
The measure of HITTING is BA (and SLG could be used to weight those hits Which is why OPS’ amateur attempt to add OBP to SLG is awful and adding SLG to BA would be a FAR FAR BETTER BATTER metric).
The Measure of Walking is to subtract BA from OBP to get a rough estimate of how well the guy walks! Not accurate but better than nothing until OBP stops counting HBP as if they are NOT an error of the pitcher! (Note RBOE is not counted so why is HBP counted in OBP? This is why I rail against OBP so much! it isn’t all earned!)
But OBP has nothing to do with the guys ability to hit!
A guys ability to HIT might have something to do with his OBP but not the reverse!
A guy who walks three times in three ABs has ZERO hits! A 1.0 OBP and a .000 BA!
He’s not a good hitter is he! He is just a good walker!
The problem you OBP guys have is that Good Hitters have good OBP but so do bad ones!
By using it instead of BA your elevating bad hitters into the list of looks where if you used BA instead you would have a list of GOOD hitters that would make looking at their OBP worthwhile!
Once you are sure they can hit what they do when they do not hit is then worth looking at!
You know after re-reading these post last night I realize this has to be about the stupidest argument I have ever subjected myself to and even more idiotic than the light and dark side of Sandy debates.
You see it your way, I will see it mine and we will move forward.
yes your correct…you made the stupidest argument!
OBP is about being on base not Hitting!
Hitting makes you better at getting on base…
Getting on base does not make you a better hitter!
It was dumb and stupid to even suggest such a thing!
Actually, his BA is lower because his OBP dropped.
Also, you’ve been asked a few times how many of Wright’s RBIs were Jose Reyes. Especially in years he was batting 5th.
Yeah I asked that too. I also asked how he was able to have respectable HR and RBI totals in 2010 without those guys and a lineup of pure puke around him. Of course his other stats dropped that year but remember only HR and RBI count, LOL.
Why all the wright lover’s make this about wright and reyes? why not beltran vs wright? i mean, after all, reyes is a leadoff type hitter, arguably the best in the game, meanwhile the mets were doing mightly ok with wright as a fifh hitter, once moved to the 3rd in the lineup is were our misfortune started to happening.. coincidence? maybe, maybe not… Guys like trs86 LOVED dwright, and went beyond the call of duty to defend his golden boy, i assume time after time he’s been let down by that big time CHOKER..
UH OH getting all in a wad and spouting your choke crap again because you did not read the comment.
That comment was a direct result of you always throwing Reyes in as part of the reason Wright was successful when he was hitting 5th. How is that possible? That is our question. Do you think they were intimidated by the fear of a dugout dance? How often do you think Reyes was at 1B with Wright up batting 5th?
Oh and by the way back then I loved Wright and Reyes. I know that is a crime loving home grown Mets stars. Especially the two of the best homegrown position players the Mets had ever had.
Nimrod – you brought up Reyes’s name first? Are you really that stupid? CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE
You keep choking on your stupid comments
Sigh.. TRS, only you believe that, there was nobody other than cerrone more defending of mr wright.. that is why you used to have MORTAL enemies all over the blog..
And to that guy posting, i ignore worms like you… get in line man, you need to establish yourself first…
Alex you keep going back to me having mortal enemies as if that is something that I should care about. Why do I care what a few extremist think of me? Who gives a damn? At least I refuse to let my opinion be based on how others perceive the player. As I said before how sad is it that you let your opinion on Wright be based on who said something about Wright, how he was treated in the media and on a blog. I feel sorry for you buddy that you can be so easily swayed by what others think and have this desire to rebel against it. Go for it buddy. We have already proven all we need to on Wright. Every stat you show I can counter and every stat I show you can say well uh… I see it with my eyes or he couldn’t have done it without…. blah blah blah. Fact is he did do it, fact is the Mets did not get it done during that time, fact is that cost Omar his job, fact is that cost us Jose Reyes. Oh well. Time to move on.
No, thing with you is YOU NEED to have the last word in, no matter whether you’re wrong or not, i am not swayed by what others think, as i said many times, my issue with #5 is his excuses time after time, then when i said it OUT LOUD during the MB years we were part of, i became enemy public #1 for the site along with others who started to see the same thing from wright’s inability to come trough in the clutch, then the legion of fans (Lead by you and cerrone) would try always to use numbers to back up arguments that we have JUST SEEN with our own guys, the man would go 3-5 2 doubles and 3 RBI in a game, early when needed he struck out and hit for a DP, then when the game was out of reach he would go 3-3 with 1-1 with RISP.. total numbers looked mighty good, but AFTER failing when needed most.. See how NUMBERS lie??? As i am sure you’d come back, as the last word is yours..
I think you said enough in that post to where I don’t need to say anything to make you look foolish. Thanks for taking care of that for me.
Also, I love how people challenge me not to get the last word so they can have the last word. If you don’t want me to respond then don’t respond.
See? that is why you’re an as***** and you’re hated and despise by many people, you’re snarky way to insult people is getting old.. I can care less whether you reply to me or not, you post all day and i don’t reply to you.. I am fine whether you post a reply on my comments, you should try doing the same..
You are right. I don’t care if they view me as an ass. As for you not commenting to me? You are right You are too busy bad mouthing me in the fuming pile box acting like a coward who knows he is beaten.
The conversations in that box are disgusting. Don’t know why this site allows it.
Alex68 — The evidence is in. You’re a bully. I liked the old Alex68 better. He was a bit more humble and showed he could learn. This Alex teams up with Ball Boy Bayonne and they egg each other on. Shameful. Move on to the next phase in your existence. It may turn out better.
Well he does have a point in the fact that Reyes was 14th in RS in the league plus our best hitter and we didn’t want to pay him for 6 years despite being younger and more productive than Wright has been recently!
The flipside to that is Wright also helped make everyone else better.
Everyone who’s ever had their name in a line up knows how much adding just one more bat helps but when you add one like Wright’s from 2005-2008 that means more opportunities for the guys in front of him.
If he hadn’t been pulling his weight less chances for Beltran and Delgado.
Now some guys will hit in any lineup and Beltran’s that sort but Delgado had pretty poor first halves overall in 2007 and 2008 and that didn’t effect Wright so it’s incorrect to call it just a one way street.
The flipside to that is Wright also helped make everyone else better”
Jajajahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROTFLMMFAOMFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know it is amazing how deep your jealousy and hatred runs that you will not even admit that a guy that had Wright’s stats during that time did not help his team or his teammates. That my friend is much more of a crime than anyone actually rooting for the guy.
seems obvious that if guys in front of him are having big years, it must mean that teams were afraid of Wright so pivking the lesser poison.
Is that really what happened Stick?
Seems to me like they walked those guys ahead of Wright more (making their numbers better from an OBP perspective) just so they could pitch to Wright!
Better numbers BEFORE you come up is hardly an indication people feared you…
better numbers AFTER is a better indication but then again only if Wright’s walk numbers also went up!
But the truth is they did decide to attack Wright more because his penchant for trying to hit HRs left him vulnerable to the low outside pitch!
Wrights best hitting came right after he returned from his back injury…
And I explain that as him not trying to overswing and re-injure the back so he stayed controlled but once he had played awhile he thought less about the back and went back to trying to hit the HRs and again was vulnerable!
you are in the wrong year.
that was in response to Wright made delgado, etc. better in the 2005-2008 range when they were together.
Part of it is simple platoon splits. Delgado faces a few less LHP than he would have because Wright was crushing them. That helped Delgado some. Adding another big RH bat in Alou helped out some more. Beltran can’t be turned around so he really helped guys and provided the glue that others worked off of and opposing managers had to work around. that’s the most invaluable of all but to say that only Delgado, Beltran, and Alou helped Wright and he didn’t help any of them is just incorrect.
Do you actually think repeating the same erroneous claim, in all caps, will eventually make it factual?
You are a funny boy
Do you really think a review of someone’s typing is making YOUR point?
No one else thinks so!
Buster Olney had this to say yesterday:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/41145/video-buster-projects-wright-will-stay
Interesting considering he said the opposite as recently as January:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/mets/post/_/id/37558/buster-prediction-wright-will-be-on-market-in-july
Since the so called analysts have no idea which way this will go can’t see how any of us do.
My gut right now tells me he plays this entire season in NY. Come the end of the season is anyone’s guess right now.
I agree Dan that Wrights issues have been issues of the head!
When you try to hit more HRs your swing is less controlled and unable to make those last minute adjustments needed to put good bat on ball!
Good hitting is the proper balance of power and bat control. Too much in one direction or the other will hurt you.
Swinging as hard as you can does nothing unless you actually hit the ball!
Too much bat control will put the bat on the ball but without enough force to do anything with it but a single!
Felix Milan choked up to get as much bat control as possible, Sprayed lots of singles but thats about it!
A guy like Reynolds (Balt) hit 37 HRs but had a .221 BA and 196 K
David lost his balance because he was trying to hit HRs.
He would swing harder and lose control, try to pull and leave himself open to the low outside pitch and even when he did make contact because he wasn’t getting good wood on the ball they would be lazy fly balls that had plenty of space to get under because the stadium was so big!
I believe the shorter fences may Help Wright, what I am not convinced is they will have any affect on Bay!
As for getting something for Wright while I doubt highly we will get as much as people think or want there is another way to look at it…
What do we really need?
Even if we trade Wright, We don’t really need a 3B, Murphy will take over there and his bat will keep him there and in time will become a good fielder at his natural position!
We have Havens, Valdespin, possibly Flores to take over at 2B…
Kirk is the CF of the future, Duda is where he is likely to stay with the exception of moving into Bay’s spot when he is finally dumped….And we have one or two others down in the MiLs to fill OF if needed including the eventual arrival of Nimmo!
Nothing is going to move Davis off 1B except Davis and some tragic downfall of production…
We have three young starting Pitchers about to come up plus Dickey, Niese and Gee.We really don’t need any more young pitchers what we will need soon is a real Vet ACE to lead them…and trading an everyday All Star for BullPen arms is just plain STUPID….
That leaves one OF, and one Catcher as possible places to get something good out of a trade for Wright.
Is it really worth trading him for that?
Trading him for bench depth?
Or does it make a ton more sense to package him with a few kids to get a Vet Ace to complement those kids?
Thats not the type of deal most people are proposing here….
cause everyone is about building the Minor leagues as opposed to the MLB team!
I keep hearing about all these holes people claim we have and put forth as an excuse for trading away all our all stars…
But when you actually look at the MLB squad and not just BA’s list you find that we don’t really HAVE a lot of holes to fill!
It’s really all about Catcher and OF, We have plenty of 2Bs but because we are too busy trying to find a place to play Murphy we think we don’t!
We have OF prospects who could come up and the reason they aren’t here has more to do with Bay’s contract than their own abilities. We traded the best CF we had otherwise we might have not had a hole there the next two years.
So while Trading Wright might seem like it can fill a lot of holes for you I really have to ask people which holes exist?
Easy to say there are a lot of them but much harder to prove they are actually there based on the personnel we have already. Truth is we have holes for the 2012 season and thats about it!
SR will be filled by the Generation 2K, CF will be filled by Kirk if he stays healthy, the only position that has no options at this point is catcher and there really isn’t anyone worth trading Wright for to fill that hole!
The ONLY other potential hole we might have is at SS if Tejada falls flat on his face!
Which is why I supported keeping Reyes to make sure we didn’t CREATE another hole!
In the end I don’t think Wright is going to get everyone the package they think they are going to get and even if they get a good one I don’t really see where they are going to play those kids.
Our IF is almost set for the next 5-6 years (Tejada not withstanding) Our OF has 2 of three future players already on the roster…
Our SP rotation is going to get 3 prospect additions in the next two years, maybe 4!
If you want to plan for the future it requires you to look at that future first which doesn’t seem to be happening with all those who keep talking about this future plan!
We really don’t have plenty of 2B at all unless Havens, Murphy and Valdespin all come up roses this year. Muno and Evans are miles away.
3B has better depth and closer potential in Murphy, Lutz, Flores and Marte.
Pitching is always a huge need. We are down a good catcher at every single level of the organization. That means about 5 of them because prospects being prospects you just never know.
OF is actually looking pretty decent. Our base option (without trades) is looking something like Kirk, Lagares, Den Dekker, Puello, Cecciliani, Vaughn, Gomez, Zapata, Tuschak, Nimmo, Marquez (play BB man, can that football stuff)
I would say the OF in some configuration with what we have in the system is already good enough to win with and with useful depth as well and Duda already here.
A trade of Wright and prospects for an ace would have to be a very young one IMO but not a bad idea. Still young aces these days are bringing back a lot more than soon to be really expensive 3B man nearing their normal decline age. Why not just keep the ace?
I’d look for a young ace to be in A+ and an outstanding catching prospect all things being equal.
SO you agree the only place we really have a hole is catcher!
I mean you mentioned names for just about every other position that people cite as holes except for catcher!
And some of that 3B depth could easily play 2B is needed.
Flores you can say is a failed SS but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t slide to his left instead of his right!
And you could easily trade some of that depth at 2B/3B to get a better 2B or C if you wanted!
All I’m pointing out is that this notion that we have a ton of holes to fill and therefore sjhould trade Wright to fill them really isn’t true!
If you keep him then your probably trading Murphy instead and with some MiL kickers could net you the Catcher you need.
And lets face it Wright’s glove really isn’t all that great in itself so it comes down to is Murphy’s bat more worth keeping than Wrights and is it enough to overcome any loss of glove OR will putting him at 3B make Murphy’s glove better since it’s his natural position!
It’s a tough decision even to me as I can make arguments for both sides…
Murphy seems like a much better leader type than Wright!
Less Power than Wright but then again we still don’t know if we are going to get those HRs we expect from Wright…
You’ll get more from Wright on a player level but he still represents a significant attendance draw which for now would seem to be even more important than what we might get for him!
No.
Flores, Marte and Lutz can’t play 2B. Murphy we’ll find out so now I don’t feel that is viable at all and 2B does NOT have depth. SS either. Catching we need 5 top high end catchers at every level of the system because without a good catcher Offense or defense (and I’m not talking Castillo like offense) we will never win. Further every team always needs more high end pitching.
So there you go. Pitching, catching, 2B, SS. Need at least 5 elite prospects at each of those spots and to keep rolling in more every where else but right now we’re down 20 top minor leaguers.
You know how rediculous you sound when you say they can’t?
Murphy is playing there now!
They could all be better than Murphy who really is just a 3B because of his offense not his fielding!
Personally if his knees were not already shot I would have trained him as a catcher starting last year!
It would have been to late last year and he doesn’t have the foot speed for catcher anyway (foot quickness, balance ect)
Secondly his knees aren’t shot. He’s never even had a knee operation. He’s had two torn MCL’s they heal themselves (I know I had one myself, at 2B too btw)
The fact is no one can say if Murphy will pull it off at 2B. True, he’s playing there right now but why? We have no one else. Period. That’s why.
Valdespin is no lock and Haven’s isn’t either.
Lutz, Flores and Marte have no chance. At least right now we have 3 maybe’s but that can go right back to zero without trading any of them.
He’s laying there because he hits a ton not because Valdespin couldn’t easily play as good 2B or hit enough for the average 2B in the league!
If Davis wasn’t here and hitting bombs Murphy would play first and we wouldn’t have a 2B playing out of position!
The only reason Murphy is at 2B is because that bat is so desperatly needed and there is no place to play him until Davis or Wright goes away!
Not because we don’t have better options at 2B!
We have plenty!
Would have had one more if Reyes was kept!
Now you know I have never been the trash wright guy around here….
But if you really wanted to keep one guy to build around and choose either or Reyes was the better option because trading Wright opened up 3B for Murphy’s bat and Tejada could play 2B and that would be a pretty good IF compared to the rest of the league!
Both from a glove and batting perspective!
Davis and Duda can hit the HRs and fences don’t seem to be an issue for them no matter how far they are!
So really if you looked at what you had when deciding what to keep the answer to me at least was to keep reyes and trade Wright better than let reyes walk and build around Wright!
Truth is we are more likely going to let BOTH get away which is the point most people around here seem to gloss over!
I don’t have a problem with trading Wright and Flores type guys to get an Ace. Here’s the problem, not many “aces” available and how many of those will be traded for a lame duck Wright? Perhaps a team that would allow an extension of the guy we get back in return for having that same time to extend Wright?
Help me out, who would have an “ace” while looking for a 3B? Cubs and Garza? Braves and one of their top guys? (their pitchers are too cheap so I don’t see the Braves doing that). I am really having a hard time. I think the Rockies would love him but not sure you could still get a guy like Pomerantz and he is not a veteran for sure. The Angels? Would you be happy with Ervin Santana?
I think Ervin Santana/David Wright could have a chance of happening, depending on how Trumbo does.
Agreed, I think I wrote an article on that one when all these rumors came up last year.
You just have to find the right team, one that HAS an ace but has massive offensive issues to overcome to make having him even worth it!
A team like the A’s or Giants would have been teams that fit that only not sure either really had an ACE to trade away!
Damn metsie… Write a fan post next time!
Nah I got tired of jessup, xtreeme and Donal all crapping them up with their baiting so I won’t be submitting any fanposts anytime soon!
Ya, we suck for disagreeing with you and pointing out your logical fallacies, baseless assumptions, and hand waving.
No you SUCK merely because all your arguments are based on a moneyballing sabermetric philosophy and a love of Sandy Alderson because he was mentioned in that good book of yours!
None of you have made any arguments that were not illogical or a fallacy such as OBP is the best indficator of RS despite 5 years of evidence showed by me to the contrary!
And then to fight those proofs you run the comment section around in circles to hide the original point made!
But why don’t you tell us all the Sabermetric signings you three horsemen of the apocalypse said were going to happen now that Sandy was here?
List all the FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS that will lead to championshps in the FUTURE like you promised was on the way?
Show examples of all those things you said were going to happen under Sandy’s oversight?
Show us how we got more bang for our buck?
Show us why guys with a 7 ERA are sabermetrically sound purchases
can you? care to take the challenge?
Cause if you don’t I might just have my next Fan Post all ready to go and submit!
Well what is the reason you believe we scored as many runs as we did last year Metsie? Certainly wasn’t HR’s. What was it?
RBI’s? We had a lot RBI’s so therefore we scored a lot of runs?
Jose reyes 14th on the RS list, 15th in OBP, Batting Champ!
Carlos Beltran, our leading RBI guy despite only being here 6 months!
Justin Turner (a 2B you say we don’t have and why Murphy is there) having 51 RBI in only 117 games
Lucas Duda having 50 RBI nearly one for every two games played!
Did you ever stop to think (oxymoron?) that if the FO is not making all their moves based on sabermetrics, that maybe they aren’t this bunch of saberheads without any interest in “real” baseball attributes that you try to present them as?
did you ever stop to think I never claimed they were sabermetric at all, that I left that to guys like Jessup and Xtreeme to say they were and that the fact they are not what those guys SAID they were and took the GOOD DAY stance they did was just one more token I use to dispell the Myth than Sandy has done anything really good, made this team any better than it was even when compared to Omar’s WORST year and that is why I keep chastizing those who claim Sandy is doing a good job when he has not and isn’t even doing what the supporters said WOULD be the reasons for his GOOD JOB?
I was the very FIRST ONE here to question where was all this Sabermetric reasoning and BANG FOR THE BUCK the Sandy supporters promised us was on the way?
Where was the BASEBALL decisions that Sandy got a pat on the back and hearty GOOD DAY SANDY from Jessup?
I have questioned not only what Sandy has done but those who claimed what needed to be done when they gushed over Sandy’s hiring and why they still gush despite not a shred of evidence that anything they said would happen actually HAS happened yet!
All Sandy has done so far if cut the payroll and he took hits at every position he purged to get those cuts!
Tejada is not as good as Reyes PERIOD! Maybe a good SS in the MLB but he’s not AS GOOD as what we cut!
We traded Pagan who was a damn site better offensively than Torres who was a mere sideshow to what we REALLY traded Pagan fior a BP arm with a 7+ ERA!
SO don’t tell me I’m not thinking I’m thinking probably more clearly than any of you because I’m not supporting or patting anyone on the back until they actually ACCOMPLISH something and the majority of you who argue with me are all making assesments about some FUTURE you think is here but hasn’t happened yet!
And to them I ask…Wheeler and what other future?
Nimmo? We should pat Sandy on the back for making his normal draft choice? One with 68 ABs and throw to the top of the BA list?
Yeah whose playing the oxymoron here stick?
Ramirez does not have a 7 ERA, maybe this ST but that’s not giving him any chance before you condemn him and it’s ridiculous. Pagan’s ST #’s are terrible too but none of that matters because ST for veterans is just about preparation. What happens in St. Lucie doesn’t matter.
Pagan 1-26 in ST…
I know it’s bad but it’s still just ST.
I like that kid and I hope he turns it around.
Wheeler and Nimmo were the types of things big market teams do all the time not to mention Fulmer, Evans, Marquez, Montgomery, Tuschuk ect.
The more high end top talent HS kids with a chance to get up here at 23 and the more chance you have of having 5 or 6 of them here all at the same time for a few years. Also the more chances you have to pick up guys like Halliday and Lee when they become available.
It’s the combination of the kids in Savannah and St. Lucie along with the ones in Brooklyn and Kingsport together that will allow us to make better choices on imports and concentrate on quality instead of quantity in that area.
I really don’t see what the problem is in expecting to see 2 SP’s, 4 relievers, 4 bench guys and 6 of the 8 everyday starters being either homegrown or prospects we traded for.
16/25 leaves you with significantly less to have to cover elsewhere and allows you to go with guys on 2-3 year deals instead of 4-7 year ones.
Wheeler and Nimmo!
You tell me I’m being unfair to Ramirez after only ST performance yet you annoit Nimmo as a hero move after 68 Abs….
Point is his ERA so far for us is 7+!
As for Wheeler please name all the great trades of an all star straight up and with nothing else for a prospect in the last 25 years and how did that prospect do?
All you guys have are maybe’s future and Perhaps’ And you dismiss DID DONE AND DOING in favor of stuff you think MIGHT happen!
You call those things that MIGHT happen FACTS and GIVENS and the rest is just unfair rubbage to you even CURRENT PERFORMANCE!
If you’d like me to stop pointing out when you’re wrong, like the time you said Lawrie’s hits mostly came against September call ups… then stop being wrong.
But I wasn’t wrong was I?
You listed a bunch of starting pitchers and none of the relievers….
And you took issue with a MINOR point hoping to obscure the major point I was making at the time which was putting him on a list of HOFers despite the fact he had a very high OPS vs RHP but a below average OPS vs LHP!
And you brought up the MINOR point circle jerked it to death all because you wanted to PROVE ME WRONG as you always try but have to turn a minor point into a MAJOR DISCUSSION in order to do it!
Shall we atlk about how often you are wrong?
Like where is the 1st and 3rd round picks you claimed we are going to get for Reyes?
How about all your predictions that Sandy was going for Bang for the Buck yet the 9 Mil he saved on Reyes was spent on three guys with an ERA above 7!
You Xtreeme and Donal ALWAYS try and turn a minor statement meant as an aside to the point being made as the ONLY THING ANYONE SAID!
And it is why you are as hated as you are around here!
That and your penchant for slapping anyone who doesn’t believe Sandy had a GOOD DAY when Reyes left because he MIGHT get hurt and the result was a 7+ ERA post 7th bullpen, a guy with a bad leg and the same amount of money out the door for the next two years!
You’re wrong on just about everything, and on a very consistent basis, too.
SO says the guy who claims to have 30 years of reasearch on OBP being an indicator to RS, can’t or won’t ever showed it and was disproved by merely looking at the last 5 years and showing High OBP scores less runs that high something else! Which just happened to be RBI that don’t require an OB to get awarded to you!
You have been wrong for about two years now!
And if it wasn’t for Jessup and Donal parroting your talk very few buy the crap you been selling here!
I enjoy Metsie the psychiatrist.
You lagh but when I look at this team’s major problems most are head related!
Pelfrey for sure…
Wright I believe as well but he might recover
Bay I’m not sure what his problem is truly other than he can’t hit for crap!
We’ve got somebody that’s been doing a real good impression of a Vet Ace right now. A pitcher every pitcher on that staff respects. I’m talking about… wait for it … R. A. Dickey!
Sorry, hit ENTER by mistake.
All you have to do is look at his stats. He definitely performs like an ace. The way his demeanor stays the same on the mound, no matter how tough the position is. He just doesn’t get rattled out there. He acts like an ace. I could go on, but you get the idea.
Don’t get me wrong. Santana is an ace in every sense of the word. Buthe’s gone after next year. Sandy made it clear in his remarks today that Dickey has a home here for the next few years. Do you think he might be thinking of Dickey as the VET ACE we are going to need?
I disagree that there isn’t much of a difference between ’05-’08 Wright and the Wright of the last few years. The difference is pretty stark in a lot of things, the Ks, the BA, the OBP, the consistency, his OPS has dropped about 100 points, his OPS+ around 15-20 points, etc.
But Wright from ’05-’08 was one of the very best players in the game, so he had room to drop and still be a good player…which is where he is now. Good player, but not an elite one. It’s silly to say he hasn’t dropped off much from where he used to be, but its also silly to act like he’s no longer any good, which is what some people do.
Agreed it’s about health. If he is going to be able to return to average defense and a .285, .360, .510 .870 guy with 25+ HR and close to 100 RBI from the 3B spot that still puts him as a very good player, just not a super star.
Good Lord, I am not sure what is dumber, this article or the Core’s responses.
But it’s close.
Wright’s 2010 was nothing like his best years; yes, he hit a lot of HR and 2B and drove in runs. But his BA, his OBP, and his BB and K were nothing like his best years.
Wright walked 94 times in 2007 and 2008–clearly his best years. He walked MUCH less and struck out MUCH more the last two years, as pitchers challenged him much more and he struck out so much more.
Every time a normal person visits this site, it lowers your IQ by a point or two I would think.
Yeah, like placing importance on how much a player who makes his living as a run producer walks is real intelligent and has everything to do with WINNING games. And sure the ONLY reasons for his decline is because pitchers challenged him more. Sounds like nothing but excuse making for the saber crowd’s favorite boy toy – because of numbers and NOTHING related to what it takes to win games.
Dude you knock this site on a daily basis but the truth is your baseball acumen is complete GARGAGE and reeks of an idiot who spends his time confusing fantasy baseball with the real art of the competition of sports.
Go back to your Dirty Saber shelter where wins are less relevant as long as the numbers look good.
What i don’t get is, every time you come here you come in knocking the site and the people in it, if you got a problem with it or it lower your IQ then why come here then? isn’t that why you created your little blog? to post whatever you want? and have the privilege to banned people in case you don’t want them there? you’re growing impatient with the people in this site and i see the reason why.. you try to be smarter than everyone yet you’re proved to be more stupid than even the rest of your little crew…
Once pitchers and the league got a hold of david wright’s unclutchness he was challenged more, opposing managers started walking less known players to get to him.. Ever since that infamous strikeout where the season was on the line everyone took notice and challenged him more, therefore more K’s started to come around because he wanted to proved to everyone he was a power hitter, then from a 300 hitter he became a 283 and a 255 hitter.. only 1 season out of the past 3 he’s been good, signs are not on his favor.. \Again, if you come here to knock this site and the people in it, why you come? noone will miss you if you never come back, trust me..
Never once did he insult MMO, only some of the extremist here. Also for knowledge we have banned 1 person in 4 years out of 1304 registered users and that was not for his views but for breaking other terms of posting.
Of course you will come in his defend, he’s one of your boys, We are dumb, idiots, etc, so it’s ok to insult people but not the site? I went to AA, didn’t like the posters and the articles written and you know what i did? never WENT BACK.. period, if he’s becoming less inteligent or whatever it is that’s going on with his head then why come back? He’s one of the few that never talk baseball, only come in here to attack others. You, him and your little crew deserve one another.. no wonder noone goes to your little crappy site.. with people like you’s how can one person establish any conversation without being called dumb, fool, inferior, not smart etc…
now people who decide to maintain their traditional view of baseball are called extremist – without ever changing a thing!!
Are you talking baseball with your comments about me in the fuming pile box?
David Wright will be the Mets All-Time Leader on most offensive categories by the next 2 years .
He will also be a 500HR player , YOU DONT TRADE HIM YOU HEAR ME ?!? This men is our Franchise . He is still young and has monster stats so far . DONT LET HIM GO !!!
500 HR player? REALLY????????????
LOL, he only needs 317 more Alex. So if he can average 25 HR a year it will only take him 13 more years. OK back to reality, he’s not getting 500 HR.
That being said some take their fanhood to the extreme and say things without recourse. You know like how you said a few times that Reyes was the best player in franchise history? When I called you on it of course you backed down but still people love their Mets players. Isn’t that OK?
TRS, again, who has been the best player to you? Darryl? good for you, i have seen them both play, and while darryl was great for the mets, he wasn’t to the clubhouse and the team what reyes was.. Your opinion, I respect it, try doing the same with mine.. thanks
Alex are you respecting this guys opinion on Wright?
Seriously though, considering the Mets history you said best player in franchise history. Not best one we developed. You even said originally as not only position or pitcher but in the history of the team. That my friend is ignoring a lot of great players.
By the way, what players in franchise history?
Not really in any order:
Seaver, Piazza, Hernandez, Strawberry, Alfonzo, Koosman, Doc, maybe Darling, Cone and Sid.
I would consider Reyes and Wright tied at this point pending what Wright does the rest of his tenure here.
Other that him saying wright will hit 500 hr and me saying really??? what’s wrong with that? I’m shocked he said it, but i am not saying he’s wrong about it.. more of a bold prediction that can come to fruition.. Unlike you who right away rush to stats and talk nonsense.. if that’s what he believes so be it…
Alex are you saying that when someone supports Wright you do not respond with CHOKEEEE or CHOKEEEERRRRR? Is that being “respectful” to their opinion?
what’s the criteria? Are you only looking at guys that came up through the system, or anyone that played with the team? If you had to be born and bred then it obviously cuts down the options.
I don’t think Jose was the best position player they ever had (and i assume you are not talking about pitchers) but it is certainly defensible as your opinion (if you had said Bruce Boisclair, then I would have called you nuts!)
Overall best players? Of the top of my head Wright, Darryl, Piazza, Beltran, Hernandez just from the 80′s on. And in a bit shorter window, Alfonso (highly underrated at his peak).
Maybe others from the earlier days (I am sure some people might argue Grote, and it was a different era).
Highly subjective question of course.
Originally Stick it was best player in franchise history, then it changed to best player developed in franchise history, then it changed to best position player in franchise history, then it changed to best homegrown position player in franchise history. To me he is none of the above and only the last one is even arguable.
To me, it is the best player in franchise history.. never changed my words you fuc***** DB, It’s my opinion, don’t put words i have not said, I stand by what i said, you don’t agree with it too bad.. but i have not changed what i said like you described you as*****
If I have time today Alex, I can go back and pull up your post where you did in fact change it numerous times.
Now that being said if you do actually think he is the best player in franchise history? That explains your hate for Wright.
Oh and it is nice to see that any time you can’t use facts to back up your opinion you resort to name calling. It’s ok though, as a coach I am used to much worse. Doesn’t bother me a bit and helps me prove my point.
TRS, positional playerwise Jose reyes is the best player IMO.. Everyone and their mama knows seaver is the best met player of all time.. Have the joy to watch him pitch…
That isn’t what you said. You said in franchise history, then you changed it to positional player. Then when I asked if he was better than Piazza and Hernandez you said best homegrown positional player…
Honestly, I would put Straw, Hernandez, Piazza, and Beltran ahead of him. Like I said, to me he and Wright are tied right now and it will depend on if Wright rebounds if he passes him or not.
everyone has an opinion, but I would not put him close to best player in franchise history if it includes everyone (pitchers and imports).
500 HRs is going to be a real stretch. And the last 3 years have not been monster stats.
Baseball is actually a cruel business. ANd it is really about what you WILL do for me, not what you ONCE did for me (from a team perspective).
so if the FO doesn’t think he will be a top player or worth what some other team will give him, then put him in the HOF, hang a banner, put up a statue, but you don’t sign him to a long term, big $ deal out of sentimentality.
I think that David will either be in NY long-term OR in LA playing for either the Angels or Dodgers by summer 2013. I could see some interesting trade proposals coming from either of those teams and both need a 3B.
Had h come trough in the playoffs in 2006 and we would’ve won a championship, situation might’ve been different, but we have seen what contracts to 30+ year old players without the help of PED’s is doing to baseball franchises all over baseball.. this guy imo needs to have a HUGE season in order to attrack people again to think he’s an elite player.. he’s just an average 3B imo.. and with his back issues looing who knows how well he will play or even last.. Remember alfonso and joe crede? yeah…
Honestly I don’t see Sandy giving David a long term (5+ years contract) for the same reason he wouldn’t Reyes. While Reyes was coming off his career best season you can’t say that you expect those numbers every year and that injury is not a concern. If David hits .300 25+HR 100 RBI this year are you confident in giving him the 5+ years? Not me. Luckily for the Mets unlike the Reyes situation they still have Wright locked up 2 more years in what SHOULD be his prime. No reason to do anything yet, just enjoy having what we hope is a solid 3B in his prime for two more years.